Dress Code - Part II

oh, yeeeah, it is true.

You have to follow all these rules like shoulders covered, knees covered, nothing too tight or revealing, ect.

I'm feeeeeed uuuuuupp

Dubai is awesome and has a lot more character than Qatar. What is the character of Qatar that you speak of? I think that is a little bit of a myth

Super7 you have hit the nail on the head. In the days of the QGPC (now QP) Falcon Club we received repeated complaints from an overzealous arab that men were walking round in the showers with no clothes on. I seem to recollect that we suggested to him that he shouldn't go in the shower if he was offended.

did any one stop u and say dont wear such and such????????

i dont think so!! so till that happens then start complaining.. Qatar is not like Saudi Arabia and i think u shud appreciate that alittle bit.. would u rather wear abaya like how foreigners are over there or isnt it better here ??

and as Qatari said a little respect for local culture never hurt anyone!!!

First of all, Butterfly , you’re always fed up .Old news.

I’m so sorry butterfly that your living in a hell called“Qatar�.I’m so sorry that you can’t enjoy life here.I can clearly imagine how it feels to be newly mother in a foreign country, and jobless…really really some of your posts break my heart.

But come on girl, try to be nice, I’m sure you are so , in reality.

And why don’t you just wear whatever you want. No one will arrest you .

Now I’m talking general: Why can’t you show us some respect because we do that all the time , really its me the fed up one now, I’m fed up of keeping justify things and being patient on your offenses and rudeness.

I like you guys and I like the site.I respect you all why can’t you respect back?

OK Giasi it is a religious thing but what is the basis for it? Or is it just one of those "because" religious things.

I can understand the idea of covering women up (i don't agree with it but I understand what the argument is) but men seeing men I don't get

Qatargirl -

yes. ok no-one stopped me but it says in any qatari guide that you should dress according to the local culture. How would you feel if you went to england and you had to dress as british standards?. You would feel that's unfair. You would want to stick to your own culture, wouldn't you?. Yes. It is natural. I was very upset when france banned headscarf in french schools because that goes against diversity. I felt sorry for girls in france that could not wear whatever they felt confortable with. Everyone should have the right to dress however they like.

Aisha -

What makes you so angry about me not being happy with the way I have to dress here. I don't think I have ever been rude to you or to any qatari. Perhaps we have different notions of what being rude really is. Please can you tell me when I have not respected you???? I would never insult anyone.
I didn't know that miniskirts was such a delicate issue so I won't bring it back again.

Do my posts really break your heart? I am very happy to be a new mother and I am happy to be jobless for the time being. I'm not happy about being in Qatar but that's something I can deal with. What is so heartbreaking about that?

oh no giasi, I woldn't do it, you get harrassed enought as it is with my ugly loose clothes. Perhaps it will change and they will welcome diversity one day. That day is not near yet

The other critical point butterfly and I imagine this is more true in the UK than in Spain is that I wish some of the women would cover up more in the summer.

I once postulated the theory that size and tightness of clothes worn by women was inversely proportional to their weight and lack of tan.

The sheer quantity of pale white bellies exposed thanks to mid rift T shirts and horrible blubbery, orange peel thighs displayed thanks to mini skirts makes me plead for a more modest culture.

However if tanned and toned give me mid rifts and mini skirts any day!!

Our clothes that we’re wearing mostly because of religious purposes are ugly and boring..ect! NO one really cares about your opinion and no one asked you to wear them.We wear what we want and you wear what you want ..ok? This is Qatar.

People staring at you is not our problem and not our fault. People in your countries stare at us when we wear our boring dark ugly loose clothes and guess what? We do understand.

“Everyday the same loose dark ugly clothes�

This is rude, and other comments of yours.I just don’t feel comfortable tracking them all.

I do can describe your miniskirts with words too.I have words.I just don’t because I don’t want to hurt anyone here . Feel free to post as much as posts you want about your miniskirts .Express yourself..you’ll feel better.

Aisha,

Afroid you misundertood me. I didn't mean loose dark ugly clothes as YOUR clothes, your abayas etc. This I find quite pretty actually. But I do not wear them cos they are not part of who I am.

I meant MY loose dark ugly clothes (mine, as in my own wardrobe) because I cannot wear my brightcoloured nicefitting beautiful clothes.

God, I’m sorry if I misunderstood you .I'm just upset that people here do not respect us, and I think others got what you said like I did .It's because of your statement before “ I cannot stand this qatari fashion anymore� .And because of you're known opinions on Qatar and Qataris girls ;-)

I really don’t get it. I know so many girls who do not wear Abaya or hejab and they are doing fine, wearing colors and different kinda clothes .I don’t know why you banned it for yourself. I don’t see the problem.Maybe you’re just too beautiful ;-).

About the new mother thing, I dunno I assumed that you are having the after birth depression or whatever they call it and it got worst coz your in a place you don’t like and you don’t work.It just made sense ..and yes you do break my heart!I'm sorry!!

I would like to know what the obsession with nudity is all about????...In my opinion...take it or leave it...modesty and the need to cover up(which varies)...is a natural instinct....no offense ...were not animals...we are higher beings.....if u notice the less advanced, civilised the society or person the more nude they get........
Every action has a reaction.......every one is free to do what he/she wants... no problem....but there are always consequences
The way u dress (or undress) reflects who u are and gives out whatever message u want......it`s all up to u .lili.

GIASI..MY MAN......my thoughts EXACTLY.lili.

I don't really like to talk about people's personal life.Thats why I regret it and I'll stop it now.Super7, girls understand each other.I dunno If I got it right this time or not and I don't really want to know but I'm really surprised that you didn't notice anything.

I kinda know how people are.Maybe its just can be little vague online.

Giasi I do not agree with that. although you can indeed be beautiful covered up you can also be intelligent and wear revealing clothes.
I have a number of very intelligent friends and ex-girlfriends who are frighteningly intelligent but also enjoy wearing skimpy clothes on occasion.

Judging a women's intelligence by the lack of clothes is ridiculous. I don't assume women here are stupid because they cover themselves from head to toe so why should the oppsite be true

I disagree with you Buttefly. I think you have to respect the bulk of the people in any given situation. It is not about diversity at all. The bulk of people in city centre would be a little bit offended if you wore a bikini so you shouldn't.

If a pigmi from Africa walked around a shopping mall in the UK naked as he often would in the bush he would be arrested and escorted from the shop because many would be offended (children etc).

Should we respect his right to dress as he does at home or should he cover up and dress for the culture he is in?

Easy answer really

lilipink we are animals. That is exactly what we are. we just happened to evolve higher brain function as a means to survival in the same way a lion evolved big teeth.

Plenty of advanced civilisations have no problem with nudity (Sweden etc) you ideas are slightly prejudiced by geography. It just happens that most primitive cultures now are in warm countries where clothes are not essential. However 2000 years ago people wore plenty of clothes in the UK because it was freezing!

Super 7...i shouldnt generalise... i was merely trying to get the point across that covering up doesnt equate with backwardness.

Is there a link between EX girlfriends and FRIGHTENINGLY INTELLIGENT LOL

Butterfly...

No one is talking culture here. Since when have miniskirts and crop tops been culturally linked to any people? If you must bring that up and Europes free thinking attitudes to this, i distinctly remember a furore not long ago about french students not being allowed to wear muslim headscarves, jewish skull caps, and cruxifixes (not at the same time though)
Respect

GIASI

Butterfly you just said being naked was nasty. How can you say that. That is clearly your feeling bacause of your cultural background. It is exactly the same for locals here. No doubt they consider revealing clothes "nasty" and as a result are offended by them.

it is only a criminal offence because people are offended by it because of cultural beliefs. In the same way as it is a criminal offence for a woman to wear shorts in Saudi.

ok I have to go too. No miniskirts for now, then. Will have to keep wearing my ungly loose dark clothes for a bit longer.

Adios

Yes lilipink but don't get me started on religion.

Your argument about sun doesn't wash because people from places where there is a hot sun are normally black and not really worried about UV. Hence the near naked tribesman of Africa (an evolved solution)

Giasi that furore was a separate issue I think related to continental Europe's laws seperating religion and state.

We don't have them in the UK we just use common sense (although no doubt tony blair and his civil liberty eating machine will screw that up too soon)

I TOTALLY agree with this. It hurts my (small) brain. :)

I do like it alot, it is better to write your comment to a special reply so it wont appear under in the end of the page especially in a long forum.

Keep it Qatari :)

Ayman

It is just as easy to reference / mention who you are responding to, in the text.... as well, often you are responding in the context of having read other replies further down the page, which the new reader hasn't got to yet.... so another added confusion..... :)

I know I know I know, Super 7, I was probably suffering from a moment of stupidity. Can happen to anyone of us. I'm ok now. I think...

Listen, Have you ever been in Phuket, Thailand, (or any of you guys) what is it like? What's the quality of life overthere? My husband has been offered a job (out of the blue!) and he is kind of playing with the idea of accepting it.
I whish I could find a "Phuketliving" website

Get the lonely planet Thailand. I have only been to the area on holiday and I love it. No idea what it would be like to work in. Friend of mine worked in Vietnam and thought it was amazing. They have a proper culture there with amazing food etc.

I would go for it

OOOOOH... Super; "they have a proper culture" what do you mean? as opposed to what? Qatar? (GIASI doin a bit of stirring) :)

Respect

GIASI

I'd LOVE to live in Lebanon for a while, I heard so many good things about it and I know is gorgeous. It is a real shame some of the issues that have affected your country in recent times but other than that I think life over there must be FANTASTIC!

Excellent food as well.

My husband is from France and I heard there is a really nice french community in Beirut.

Oh well some day I will visit, at least when I do I know I can pack my suitcase with miniskirts :)

On that note though I would like Qatari to reply to my earlier post when he said "You really don't want Qatar to become like Dubai - souless and without any character"

I am just curious as to what soul and character people perceive Qatar to have that Dubai doesn't.

From my perspective it has a lot more character and soul (and I am not talking about the nightlife etc) I am talking about Dubai Dubai. Like the creek with the river traffic, the nice buildings, the countryside (beaches/hills etc), and the community.

Culture is steeped in history more often than not and gulf countries lack this. Dubai does have some contemporary culture but lots of places do feel cold and clinical.

Dubai is really cosmopolitan and residents do bring culture with them from their own countries and i think that has helped it become a much more habitable place.

Butterfly... yes i did live in england... its sort of a requirement if youre english. Many people who know me would disagree that "i grew up in england", in fact, they would hasten to add that i still have alot of growing up to do.

Respect

GIASI

SUre they feel cold and clinical Giasi but no more so than here was my point (less so I think). Qatari seems to think there is some quaint charming Qatar which Dubai can't compete with because its commercialism. I don't see any of that charm here and not there is all I am saying

The mystery of GIASI..that had me lolling for quite a while.I thought you were a man?.lili.

Giasi, I am talking about the early 80's when the Falcon Club was thriving. Eventually partitions were built in the shower but "towelling off areas" were common.
Regards
Graham

Funny Post.

It's not so bad in the malls as when you walk in the street. Yet I wouldn't say "tons of girls". It is changing, when I first arrived you couldn't see any,now there are more and more.So that's why the put the "sign" in the City Center, I guess.

Maybe in a few months everyone will be wearing miniskirts! that should be fun.

Wonder how it would be if Carrefour in Paris puts a sign asking everyone to respect the local culture and dress only with the latest fashion.

Everyone should dress however they like, that was my point. The local culture has to accept that there are other cultures that do not share (I mean share, not "respect") their values. Modesty is not a value I share, so why should I be asked to dress modestly?

yup, youre right, there are silly rules everywhere, europe included. I don't take it so personally, it just was a great discussion to have with the members, I'm sorry so many people got offended by my comment, that wasn't my intention at all.

I love wearing the kind of short and light summery dresses that I wear in my country when it gets really hot. I'd love to wear them here but I know I can't cos it would feel very out of place. oh, well, maybe one day...

I don't know how girls manage to wear scant clothes in Qatar in the summer anyhow! If you don't cover up, you burn outside, and freeze to death indoors with the A/C on! I always have my jacket on in the mall in the summer, and long trousers, it's just too cold otherwise. And if I don't cover my shoulders, arms and legs outside then I am attacked by the sun! So well I don't complain against the modest dress code :^)

And Butterfly, I didn't find any of your posts or comments offensive. I guess it has to do with me being a fellow Mediterranean! :^) We just have totally different views and approaches, it seems.

Textile engineers could make clothes more comfortable. The planet is being heated due to the global warming. Let us take care of our skins. Let us not let others see us in a sexual way.
Still, others do not have the right to see us in a sexual way even if we did not dress properly.