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butterfly's picture

Dear Mr. Q-Tel Sheikh

I have noticed that sometimes I cannot access certain web pages because you are not allowing me to do so.

Your message is always the same: The webpage you are trying to access has been blocked by internet Qatar, as the content contains materials which are prohibited in the State of Qatar.

I understand you are concerned about my sensibility and innocence, but I am a mature woman who surely does not need parental controls, and sometimes, often, I do not consider these websites to be harmful or indecent ( I can give you hundreds of examples). And even if they were, I am perfectly capable of dealing with it.

Furthermore, I hope you are aware that content filtering has been shown to pose its own signicant threats to free expression on the Internet. Often characterized by their proponents as mere features or tools, filtering and rating systems can also be viewed as fundamental architectural changes that may, in fact, facilitate the suppression of speech far more effectively than national laws alone ever could.

I would like to draw your attention to the Article 19 of the International Conenant of Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) that provides that everyone’s right to freedom of expression “shall include the freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice.�

Yours truly,

Butterfly


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dweller's picture

dweller said Butterfly, I think you may ...

Butterfly, I think you may be banging your head against the proverbial brick wall.
My local golf club in the UK was blocked for months and I never found out why.
Parts of the Simpsons were censored by the cable people in the 90's. When I rang up to complain the statement was "maybe there was something in the programme that offended" to which I replied "There wasn't this morning when they showed it".
I must admit that Qatar is improving. Christmas is no longer banned as it was in 1983.

 

easy's picture

easy said I think certain amount of ...

I think certain amount of censorship is understandable. Many countries such Singapore and China are enforcing restrictions but very sensibly. I think that is the main problem with QTEL is that they do not understand the customers needs and concerns. Many of the sites blocked are not indecent or harmful and they need to do something about that. will they? I doubt it.

But even more desperate, is the poor service and high prices for services. All this is due to that fact that it is the only telecom company.

Easy

 

Qwerty's picture

Qwerty said I twice wrote letters and ...

I twice wrote letters and hand delivered them to the chairman’s (Sheikh Abdullah Bin Mohammad Bin Saud Al Thani) personal assistant (who signed for them), do you think I ever received a reply?

Additionally, for the past few days, I have been getting this error message whenever I do a search on Google.

We're sorry...
... but your query looks similar to automated requests from a computer virus or spyware application. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. We'll restore your access as quickly as possible, so try again soon. In the meantime, if you suspect that your computer or network has been infected, you might want to run a virus checker or spyware remover to make sure that your systems are free of viruses and other spurious software.

We apologize for the inconvenience, and hope we'll see you again on Google.

I have spoken to Q.Tel, they were very vague on the matter (as per usual). Has anybody else had this problem?

 

Loki's picture

Loki said Qwerty, I have had the same ...

Qwerty, I have had the same response on some searches... and only in the last day or two.

 

BBetzinQatar's picture

BBetzinQatar said "Many countries such ...

"Many countries such Singapore and China are enforcing restrictions but very sensibly. "

Sensibly? Only if you find this sensible, and I think many wouldn't think so. China is blocking Wikipedia an online encylopedia.

Article:

http://www.msnbc.msn...


 

qatari's picture

qatari said Sensibly!? Hahaha....ever ...

Sensibly!? Hahaha....ever heard of the Great Firewall of China? Try to Google it...but just not on google.cn where it will probably be censored!

 

getinandstayin's picture

getinandstayin said its weird. the etisalat ...

its weird. the etisalat proxy in uae works quite well, however, there are sites blocked there that are open here and vice versa. I would have thought there should be some consensus on what is allowed or not.

I dont believe that censorship is necessarily a bad thing. My children use the internet quite a bit and i am comfortable that some control is there. Unfortunately, i realise that at some point my son will be able to bypass these controls as kids often learn to do.

Unfortunately one of the largest uses of the internet is pornography, and i am sure that noone disagrees that children should be protected. If only Qtel could set up its systems so that only really offensive stuff is censored.

Respect

GIASI

 

butterfly's picture

butterfly said Yes, so I heard that ...

Yes, so I heard that censorship is fierce in China...(Easy! get your facts, man!)

I also disagree that a certain amount of censhorship is good, cos then you would start to wonder where to draw the line. Censorship has to come from the reciving end. So if you are unconfortable with certain things poping up on your screen or you want to protect your children, then many sofwares are available in the market nowadays for that purpose.

Of course certain things are banned and are a criminal offense in western countries, and it should continue like that. Other than that, Censorship endorsed by governments, can be a very dangerous thing.

 

easy's picture

easy said In my view contents - such ...

In my view contents - such as pornography - should be censored. Many locals and westners agree on this alike. Whether QTel is effective in doing just that is a different matter. No doubt that they censor innocent websites that are not offensive or indecent - I hope they become more effective in this.

Your question is valid, who is to say what should be or should not be censored. This depends on two factors I think:

A) The laws of the country. The Qatari is based - loosely - on Islamic teachings.

B) The culture and religion of the society. Islamic culture - which is the basis of the law - clearly controls much of what can/can not be done.

Taking these two factors into account, I think the majority of the Qatari people would not want pornography content - for example - to be available. That is why you can not purchase playboy magazine openly ... etc.

I might have been wrong specifically about China - not Singapore though - but the point is clear. Some countries censor websites that are not inline with their laws and/or culture - and they surely have right to.

Simply talking about what western countries do - as a bench mark - is also irrelevant as the cultures are completely different.

Easy

 

Super7's picture

Super7 said If you have the remotest ...

If you have the remotest idea of what you are doing then you can get access to any material you want on the web despite these blocks.

Furthermore pornography is widely available on satellite TV here in Doha (in fact a lot easy to get than in the UK)

 

getinandstayin's picture

getinandstayin said You are absolutely right ...

You are absolutely right Super7. A censoring proxy will only work on the inadvertent access of questionable material and access to unsolicited emailed sites. As far as im concerned, as long as minors are not subjected to it im fine.

Satellite porn is here, but, you need to tune your receiver for it. Proxy bypass is there, again, you have to actively seek it. And if thats what an individual wants, then thats upto them.

Respect

GIASI

 

butterfly's picture

butterfly said Ah.. MEN. You have managed ...

Ah.. MEN. You have managed to turn this blog into a pornography debate.

(Watcha Qatari, now that this website contains the word "pornography" it might be closed down)

This is not about pornography guys. This is about ME (or you, or anyone) being a mature adult being with capacity of choice and only MYSELF should decide what is acceptable for ME to view or what information I want to access. NO-ONE should be taking these choices for ME. I am in charge of MY own decisions and I decide what is offensive for ME and My mentality and what I will not find offensive.

NO-one should be telling ME - you cannot see that because is offesive. That choice should be mine and only mine.

See what I mean?

 

yalla's picture

yalla said and..yes, I'm having the ...

and..yes, I'm having the same problems with Google as Qwerty.
I'm glad to know it's not my pc that's the problem. whew!
but what the?! what on earth have Qtel done?

 

blacklion's picture

blacklion said Butterfly, I do admire and ...

Butterfly,

I do admire and appreciate your concern and you have expressed my feeling very very well. I would like to thank you very much for this. However, we are in the wrong country to raise this kinds of issues and when it comes to freedom of speech, expression and even seeking information what I would like to posses is unthinkable here. So our only choice is to play by the rules of the game here, no matter how painful it is to admit.

 

butterfly's picture

butterfly said True blacklion, play by the ...

True blacklion, play by the rules or cheat.
Where is that flag from by the way, Sccotish? Nah,what is it?

 

salam's picture

salam said To Butterfly It is a flag of ...

To Butterfly
It is a flag of Ethiopian. Rastaffarians, JAH The King of King, The Lord of Lord. Ethiopia

 

blacklion's picture

blacklion said Butterfly, It is Ethiopian ...

Butterfly,

It is Ethiopian flag.Ethiopia flag is an inspiration for most of the African countries, the green yellow and red color, just like the egyptian flag is an inspiration for the arab world. Just for your curiousity Ethiopia is the only country which has never been colonised in Africa.

 

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mochafrap said Qtel uses "SMARTFILTER" as a ...

Qtel uses "SMARTFILTER" as a kind of censorship "robot", i.e. Qtel has a preset list of categories that they'd asked a third party company to automatically deny access to. of course the most obvious categories are anything related to pronography or internet crime. But since we're talking about an automated system for censorship here the errors are almost inevitable. you could be trying to access a website as harmless as the YMCA one and find out that it got blocked cause its' description contained the word "sex" however context it was delivered in.

I know it's kinda useless, but DO try to contact Qtel's internet helpdesk at 125 if you think a website was mistakenly blocked. But don't be an airhead and tell them to unblock porn websites or any of the sorts cause we all know the cultural taboos imposed on people in this country.

Oh and by the way..that google is message is a GOOGLE message. Whenever there's a viral outbreak of some kind you might get that message on major search engine websites. has nothing to do with Qtel.

And hey it can't be that bad. VODAFONE IS COMING TO TOWN VERY VERY SOON!!! :D

cheers

 

Equin0x's picture

Equin0x said Quote [by butterfly]: "True ...

Quote [by butterfly]: "True blacklion, play by the rules or cheat."

Thats the spirit ;p

Quote [by Super7]: "If you have the remotest idea of what you are doing then you can get access to any material you want on the web despite these blocks."

Word.

 

Charlene's picture

Charlene said With all due respect I would ...

With all due respect I would have to disagree with you on this one. The first time I turned a T.V on my flat there was a porn station staring back at me! I looked at my husband and said"We are living in Qatar now, right?" Needless to say we were both shocked, and didn't do anything to our reciever. We moved a few weeks later as the flat was a company one and only good till you found your place. When we moved into our next flat there it was again, and again we were not seeking it out in any shape or form!
With respect,
Charlene

 

getinandstayin's picture

getinandstayin said Porn channels are supposed ...

Porn channels are supposed to be subscription only. The only way you can get them free is with a dodgy receiver illegally modified to unscramble the signal. You must have had one of these dodgy receivers.

Countries have no control whatsoever what is beamed down from the satellites above them. However, they can control the sale of these receivers (the sale of which is illegal).

Saying that, i do agree that its quite ridiculous to be able to access this stuff so easily in a country with such conservative ideals
Respect

GIASI

 

qatari's picture

qatari said BoingBoing, one of the ...

BoingBoing, one of the coolest blogs is being censored in Qatar, UAE and Saudi...you would be able to look at it here but you won't see it!

 

vpn's picture

vpn said vpn data services can solve your blocking problem ...

TRY TO USE SOME VPN DATA SERVICES,

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chao

 

Serendipity's picture

Serendipity said Re: China, I understand ...

Re: China, I understand there are about 30,000+ censors checking internet content/emails and stuff. I reckon that's probably about right. I know someone who sent an email with a few paragraphs, one paragraph mentioned an incident he'd witnessed in Tian'anmen Square where some Falungong protesters got arrested. He sent it to a friend and when the reply came back, quoting the original email he had sent, it was missing that particular paragraph. Hmmm...

But more generally, there is a major problem across the web, also known as 'the scunthorpe problem'. Actually, I don't know if that will show up, because this site doesn't allow naughty words, so I'll spell it out.

There's a town in England spelled s-c-u-n-t-h-o-r-p-e, and because of letters 2-5, any websites related to that town were filtered out. And there were problems for people living in the town trying to register with, e.g. AOL, for email addresses and so on.

That's why it's called 'the scunthorpe problem', because legitimate words get caught up in it. It's a problem that also affects places like Sussex S-u-s-s-e-x and so on.

Also, there are numerous instances of funny website addresses. I know one international convention that was originally called News Exchange (a journalists shindig) that had to change it's name to News Xchange when they realised what their URL was going to be and the problems it might cause. They didn't want to be fending off lots of emails from people wanting sex change surgery!

There are lots of innocent situations where content gets blocked (and this doesn't just happen in Qatar by any means), and it may be that this is the problem with some of the sites you are having problems accessing.

If that's the case, report it to the appropriate authorities.

And if not, then try using proxy servers. ;)

 

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Q____View said A small PRESENT ...

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Pacifier's picture

Pacifier said Censored ...

I'm not Qatari, and I won't try to change Qatar. The only one who has right to change Qatar is Qatari.

I can only explain what is happening.

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Q-Tel Sheikh will not give up on his attempts to control people, because he believes he's "better" than others. Your attempts are in vain.

In every society you can find some spoiled power-thirsty people considering themselves "above the God", trying to prohibit things that God didn't.

Their malign desire for power is unstoppable.

Such people will hide behind religion, moral or other things, trying to twist words to make themselves "right", and that "this is given from above".

Q-Tel Sheikh will try to cover himself saying that his behaviour is "Islamic" even when it's obvious that it isn't.

So, don't waste your energy, The Sheikh is more stubborn, has more power, has police, and better lawyers.

Relax.

 

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