Israel Score 7 on World Cup Eve

Yikes, little bit of Palestinian propaganda in that article. I refuse to take sides in the battle between Palestine and Israel, but both sides are as equally guilty of terrorist attacks on the other. This article is just reinforcing the violence and probably causing more.

Speaking as a former Journalist portraying the article as a soccer match score is tacky, disgusting and shows little regard for the human lives lost.

Scary stuff. Nothing like a little brainwashing to make the world go round.

Right, and that's like me showing you a clip of Jerry Springer and abstracting that all Americans sleep with there wife's mothers and then find out that it was really his own mother...

i think one difference is that we know these are people that we know are crazy and from the bottom of the social barrel but these are people that can affect the geopolitical sitaution

The worst thing is they sound and look so rational and sane and pure ... i have sometimes (rarely) watch arab tv usually like jordan tv (the soap operas- whilst zappin) and get a laugh out of the atrocious acting.

I think they'd be really funny to watch when ur high ... tho that quite hard to do here ... so a null point

Its interesting to see some of the responses to what is essentially the most complex conflict of modern times.

People would be advised to research and understand the political history of this issue before becoming emotive.

Well said. Conditioning your kids for killing others literally from birth is not going to help world peace in any way.

There is no "right" killer and "wrong" killer. They are all killers. I despise violence.

Anyway GIASI, we need to get another good political/religious rant going on here. I'm bored and I have nothing to do today at work.

Israel going down! Bastards! Shitty politics! A2Sholes, occupation! I hate you very much! Leave our country, you idiots!

by the way i was wondering from ur logo ... are you from turkey?

yeah i know that but its still the same flag but at 90 degree angle up...

so what is it like a Red Crescent symbol?

well i thought id bring out another one ... you know people here more argument so i thought we'd bring in cyprus into the equation

actually i was thinking of the film with james gandolphini - the last castle where in the prison they put the flag upside down as a sign of mutiny .... so i thought about it on those terms

Don't get me started on Turkey vs. Cyprus

Cyprus has vetoed negotiations for Turkish EU membership. Woot!
If it wasn't for USA sticking its nose where it shouldn't (as usual), Turkey would have seen EU membership (negotiations included) when the hell froze over.

Amr,

I wonder why you assume in all certainty that I don't know what the story is, and why do you suggest I keep my opinion to myself? You actually believe that you are the only one blessed with the absolute knowledge on the subject and therefore possess the ability and the right to post your opinions?

I have already said (that if you bothered to read what I said earlier) that I DO NOT TAKE SIDES. I do not support any kind of violence. I do NOT support Israel and its policies. I do NOT support conditioning of children to make them grow up into killers, either. Not that I have to justify myself and my opinions to you, anyways. I just simply think that everyone is entitled to speaking up and sharing his/her opinion, UNLIKE YOU.

"Qatarcat, all want Shahada? What else left to keep once you have your country taken, your house has been destroyed, and your family was killed, I would explode myself into my enemy for sure, and that's the story there. Please, don't say your opinion until you know what the whole story is, and why there are suicide bombers (as they call them)."

I don't know AMR, why don't you ask the Jews what they though 60 years ago when they were kicked out of their homes and put into concentration camps and gassed? Maybe they would have an opinion.

Imagine..you live in your home, and all of a sudden strangers with their troops enter and occupy your home. They kill, bomb and steal not only that, but they also kick you out of your own home and claim that it belongs to them. Many lands have been taken away from their original owners and given to Israeli families who just been 'imported' to Palestine to start a new life. I know this very well, it all happened to my grandparents. The city in which my grandmother was born, is no longer there! No, it didn't disappear, but the Israelis gave it a Jewish name and now they consider it as their land.

Palestinians are being killed every single day. Why? Because they refuse to leave their homeland. When you and your family have the perfect life and suddenly your house is smashed above your heads, your sister gets killed, your brother gets killed, your parents! Your neighbor, your friends! All dead!! And you're the only one who survived. Everything is gone; there is no reason to live for. The LEAST thing to do is take revenge.
Would a person who had to go through all this turn a blind eye? Would you?? I very much doubt it.

Why do they hate Jews? Or maybe I should rephrase this question..Why would they like Jews?

Sorry to say this DohaGirl but you are not fear.

It's always that Christians and westerners with jews becasue they believe that the foundation of Israel is the prophecy of Jesus return and that's why they support them with 200 atomic bombs. That's true! But unfortunatley people from western like you and many others don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

Sorry but there is right and wrong side. The right side is when you defend your country and the wrong side is when you take other people's country but you don't want to admit that and you will never honey.

You don't know what is the hsitory of palestine and you just read books made by jews. And why does the Palestinians has to suffer becasue of a fake holocust that was made of video caputring of an empty camp?

The Palestinians are denfending thier lands from the occupation of killers. That's all about it.

Westerners will never admit the crimes of Israel at all .. Will never sweety .. will never because they are muslims and arabs.

Cheers! :)

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MJ you did not seriously just call the Holocaust fake! I don't even know how to respond to that. I've never encountered anyone that ignorant.

Everything you say MJ is just absolute horseshit, propaganda and conspiracy theory. And it's that kind of crap that is fueling this conflict.

The Jews never asked to be dumped in Palestine, the British stuck them there. Yes they have continued perpeutuating this fight, but so have the Palestinians. Both sides have called countless ceasefires that both sides have ended, whether by suicide bombing or air strike.

The Jews have been there almost 60 years now, regardless of why they were there in the first place they have every right to live there now, as do the Palestinians. The answer to solving this problem lies not in blowing each other up, but in diplomatic talks, of which BOTH sides refuse to commit to.

Will it take another 60 years of violence before the people of Palestine and Israel get sick of killing each other? It took Ireland a hundred years.

Baby Bear,

You made simple and easy to understand,

Yes, it is true, people need to go 60 years back and investigate the very original reason for what is taking place now,

I beleive that all people who are accusing palestinians of being terorists would do the same thing, if they:

- Have gone through the same pain
- Have some logic and manner

I personally have no problem with Jews, as long as they go back to Poland, etc ...

We have always lived side by side, nabours and friends until some blond hair, blue eye homeless SOBs came in claining that our land is theirs and that they belong to this area ...

I just want them to look at the miror, and ask themselves, do they really beleive this shit ??

Long Live Palestine and Jews !! please go back to your whatever home

What about the holocust of millions of red indians DohaGirl?

Judaism is a religion. Not an ethnic race. So to lay claim to a part of the world revered by Christianity, Islam and Judaism is not right. Jews come from africa and the middle east too. I think the point being made by the poster is that the east european jews yield all the political power .

Even more proof that it's all just stupid and pointless.

Cue dance of death again
Israelis, Palestinians seem set for another round of bloodshed with suicide bombings spawning assassinations that lead to more reprisals, writes Robert J. Brym
Jun. 14, 2006. 01:00 AM
ROBERT J. BRYM

The weekend bombing of a picnicking family on a Gaza beach has brought us back to familiar territory. In response to the bombing, the Palestinian government declared an end to its 16-month ceasefire (hudna) and promised a new suicide bombing campaign.

On Monday, Tzachi Hanegbi, a member of Israel's ruling Kadima party, said that if suicide bombings resume, Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya could be assassinated.

Israelis and Palestinians thus seem ready to embrace once again in their macabre dance of death; suicide bombings will lead to targeted killings that, in turn, incite more suicide bombings.

Many Israelis think targeted killings work. Presumably, they remove human "ticking bombs" from the scene and deplete the ranks of people capable of organizing suicide missions.

But evidence that I have collected suggests precisely the opposite conclusion.

I am directing a research project on suicide bombers in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza at the University of Toronto.

With the assistance of Israeli and Palestinian graduate students, I have collected information from Israeli databases and Arabic newspapers on all 138 suicide bombings that took place in the region from the beginning of the second intifada in September 2000 to mid-July 2005.

I have found that the most common motivation for suicide attacks involves revenge and retaliation for Israeli actions against Palestinians.

Every time Israel engages in a targeted assassination — and every time it engages in other forms of repressive violence — it enrages the Palestinian population and sows the seeds for future suicide attacks.

The reaction to the assassinations of Hamas leaders Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz Rantisi is a case in point. On Aug. 31, 2004, Hamas claimed responsibility for suicide attacks in Beersheba that killed 16 Israelis — retaliation for the Yassin and Rantisi assassinations, a Hamas spokesman said. Or consider a counter-example: Hamas has refrained from suicide attacks since late 2004, partly because Israel has not targeted any of its leaders since then.

Suicide attacks are not the only negative consequence of targeted killings.

Assassinations also help to radicalize the Palestinians, convincing more and more of them that Hamas's intransigence is the only possible response to Israel's repressive policies and making it easier for Hamas to recruit a new, larger, more determined and more ruthless generation of Yassins and Rantisis. And then there is the collaborator problem.

Assassinations require real-time information on the whereabouts of targets. A large network of Palestinian collaborators feeds this information to the Israeli security services.

The existence of this network causes mistrust, conflict and internal violence in the West Bank and Gaza.

As Michael Gross, professor of international relations at the University of Haifa, points out, such social chaos undermines the very unity and stability of Palestinian society that is required if one wants a negotiating partner who can make binding, athoratative decisions.

Maintaining a wide network of Palestinian collaborators helps the Israeli security services locate targets in real time, but it also helps to undermine whatever slight chance for peace remains in the region.

I conclude that, regardless of their legal status, targeted killings are politically irrational; they are intended to stop violence but have the effect of instigating more hostility.

Last January, I proposed this argument to professor Yoram Dinstein, Israel's leading legal expert in human rights, after a lecture he delivered at New York University Law School. With a wave of his hand, he dismissed my claim that targeted killings have negative consequences.

"So," I suggested, "you conclude that the Palestinians understand only power?" To which he replied, "Even that they don't understand."

And he was right. If the Palestinians understood power, they would have capitulated long ago. Instead, the exercise of repressive power only deepens their resolve.

Which raises an obvious question that legions of legal and counterterrorist experts have been unable to answer:

If the Palestinians don't respond to the use of repressive power like "reasonable" people ought to, what is the good of using it?

Robert Brym is professor of sociology at the University of Toronto. His research on suicide bombers in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza is funded by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada.