school cancels nativity play in place of Eid

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Primary school cancels nativity play because it interferes with Muslim festival of Eid

By Chris Johnson
Last updated at 1:13 AM on 04th December 2008

A primary school infuriated parents after cancelling the traditional Christmas nativity play to make way for the Muslim festival of Eid.

Parents at the Nottingham school were told that the planned performance had to be pulled because some of the pupils wanted to celebrate Eid at home with their families.

In a letter, sent by the staff at Greenwood Junior School, mothers and fathers were told: 'It is with much regret that we have had to cancel this year's Christmas performances.
Nativity

The traditional nativity play was cancelled at a primary school in Nottingham and rescheduled for the New Year after parents were told it would interfere with the Muslim festival of Eid (File picture)

'This is due to the Eid celebrations that take place next week and its effect on our performers.'

However, following a barrage of complaints, a second letter was issued saying the show had 'not been cancelled outright' but has been postponed until the New Year.

The follow-up letter, sent by headteacher Amber Latif and chair of governors Yvonne Wright, apologised for the 'misunderstanding' caused by the first correspondence.

It read: 'We are a very inclusive school and fully respect the cultures and religions of all the children.

'We are upset to know that some of our parents/carers have been offended by the letter.

'The Christmas performance has not been cancelled outright but has been postponed until the New Year.'

Mum Janette Lynch, whose seven-year-old son Keanu attends the school, said she was angered that the performance had been moved until after Christmas.

She said: 'The head has a whole year to plan for Eid and so she should be able to plan for both religious festivals.

'I have never heard of this at a school. It is the first year my son has been there and a lot of the mums like me were really looking forward to seeing the children in the nativity.

'I think it's wrong it has been moved to after Christmas.'

The school has also sent out a timetable of events to mark Eid ul-Adha, or 'greater Eid', which is the second of the two Eid festivals.

It lasts for two or three days and starts on Monday or Tuesday next week.

Muslim children will be off school for the religious holiday.

Sajad Hussain, 35, of who has two children at the school said: 'My children will be off for the two days next week to see their family.

'It's not that complicated; they could have one event on one day and another on another day, they should have both celebrations at the school.

'If you do not have both it becomes a racist thing and that's why you have to be careful if an issue is made out of it it could become nasty.'

Yesterday, a statement issued by the school said: 'We would like to apologise for any confusion caused as a result of [the original] letter we sent out and would like to reassure parents and the community that Christmas has not been cancelled at Greenwood Junior School.

'As a multi-faith school, like many schools in Nottingham City, we represent a wide variety of faiths and due respect is given to each one appropriately.

'For very practical reasons we have taken the difficult decision to re-arrange some significant events on the school calendar to ensure maximum pupil and staff attendance.'

The next two weeks are brimming with festivities for both Eid and Christmas that the children are really looking forward to.

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By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

There's that British humOR again :-P

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

Oh No you Won't...

Can any QLers see the wicked step mother ???

By shazbat• 8 years 10 months ago.
shazbat

Will you two stop being so wishy washy, clean up your cinders, grab your cat, put on your boots, fasten your buttons and I'll see you at the ball!

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By jauntie• 8 years 10 months ago.
jauntie

OH YES THEY ARE!!!

LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU!! Boooooooooooooo Hissssssssss

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

OH NO THEY'RE NOT!

By jauntie• 8 years 10 months ago.
jauntie

That makes much more sense now, because obviously the Muslim kids would like to participate in the staging of 'Cinderella' and wouldn't be able to if off school celebrating the Eid.

Pantomimes, traditionally, start AFTER Christmas (at least in public theatres, anyway).

Happily the Daily Mail (blasted journalists) got it wrong and now, like all pantomimes, everyone 'lives happily ever after'.

Amen! :D

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

I'm Christian.

My husband and kids are Muslim.

We share in each other's celebrations.

No one is confused.

:-)

* * Eid Mubarak and Merry Christmas to all * *

By nadt• 8 years 10 months ago.
nadt

AA, why would my kids be confused, from one play that they participated in? Actually my best friend in school was Chritian and during ramdadan there were days she wanted to fast me and i would invite her to our place to break her fast, it didnt confuse her any more than it confused me participating in a play, it actaully brought us closer and made us understand each others lives and culture and religion.

By tubelight• 8 years 10 months ago.
tubelight

I am a Muslim but I used to take part in all Christian festivals/plays/activities in school and that was a long time ago hehe.

yikes Abuamerican, you scared me. I still fast and celebrate eid and dont consider myself confoosed.com

and Eric has a point. :)

By AbuAmerican• 8 years 10 months ago.
AbuAmerican

Alexa what you and nadt are saying is the same but what you are doing is the opposite.

Your child doesn't fast during ramadan... He isn't participating in another peoples beliefs or rituals ect. Nadt is saying its ok to do that.

So 10 years down the road Alexas kid will know what Muslims do and probably why but wont do it himself. Where will your kid stand? Confused? First its ok later it isn't???

I don't have to practice shirk to understand it.

My kids understand different faiths.. We are the ONLY Muslims in our family. They know why their uncles, aunts and grandparents do what they do but they don't practice it in the least and they know WHY.

Muhammed peace be upon him lived amongst Jews and Christians and lived amongst them in a good manner but he never participated in anything with them and even spoke harshly to Umar when he saw him with a copy of the Torah. Umar said he was reading it to understand only so he could call the Jews to Islam better and it was still made impermissible.

Whatever you are on you are on.. Me, I am on what I am on. To each his own.

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By Eric The Fish• 8 years 10 months ago.
Eric The Fish

The story in the British press is total bunkum. Not for the first time the Daily Mail has twisted a story to inflame anti-Muslim opinion.

There was NO nativity. There was a pantomime (Cinderella) which will now be held in January, which is actually more traditional.

The school made a statement via the Press Association.

The Daily Mail just likes to give the impression that Britain has gone to the dogs. This appeals to its readership, especially the ex-pats.

http://ericthefishking.blogspot.com/2008/12/under-greenwood-christmaseid-tree.html

By nadt• 8 years 10 months ago.
nadt

Agree with you NFH and Alexa. Sharing cultural and religious experiences opens up possiblities of mutual respect for children. Children will develop attitudes from a position of mutual tolerance, interest and understanding and theres defintely a shortage that these days.

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

Thank you nadt! Very well said.

We all have to live in this world together, and how will our kids ever learn to do that if we exclude and segregate them?

As for my own kids, they are not, nor have they ever been, the least bit confused about their religion.

They are intelligent enough and their faith is strong enough that they can practice their own religion while still observing and learning about others' religions, instead of shutting themselves off from practices that are different from their own.

By nadt• 8 years 10 months ago.
nadt

SN totally agree, thats the way it should be with school performances, treat them as that..

Brit, i totally agree with you, i intend on teaching my kids islamic practices and principles but i dont intend making an issue out of it and excluding them from the outside world. Sure we wont be hanging a christmas tree in our house as AA pointed out but if their non muslims friends do, they will be wishing them a good christmas and learn to respect other people, after all thats what the prophet(pbuh) taught us.

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

This was exactly the point I was trying to make.. Thank You!

By ONEmakikomoto• 8 years 10 months ago.
ONEmakikomoto

guess... i was just too curious when i was a child.,

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By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

nadt, and so it should be that way and I'm thinking that all children no matter what race or religion enjoy dressing up and pretending! As I said before, its the parents' taking this valuable lesson away from children, segregating them before they can even talk properly let alone understand religion......very sad.....

By nadt• 8 years 10 months ago.
nadt

When we were at school in Aus, we used to go to a public school and on saturdays we took islamic/arabic classes. My parents never excluded us from plays or activites that involved christmas or anything. Attending a multi-cultural school was a great way for us to learn about others cultures and religion. If anything it made us aware of others beliefs whilst still holding on to our own beliefs and religious practices. Win win situation really..

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

Just shows that children don't take this religion stuff in....its the parents that influence the big divide!!

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

Off the subject a bit, I went to a good ole English boarding school where there were alot of Muslim children....they went to pray and wore headscarves and it was just a way of life for all of us....we didn't think it was anything unusual at all, we didn't even question! even the Catholics and Church of England went to separate churches on a Sunday......now we saw the devide there cos our service was alot shorter so we were grateful to be C of E.......

By heero_yuy2• 8 years 10 months ago.
heero_yuy2

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

By nadt• 8 years 10 months ago.
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nadt

Its very bad planning on the schools behalf.

As for muslim particpiation, why do we have to make a big deal out of things and exclude kids from these activities. If parents are not keen on their kids participating in plays, then place your kids in an Islamic school where plays like these dont exist and vice versa for Chrisitans etc. The school my son goes to, is predominately muslims and the few christians were excluded from the Hajj re-enactment education by their parents. To me its childish, kids are kids, they will play, learn laugh alongside each other until we point out our differences to them at a young age.

Plays and performances arent about teaching religion, more about teaching kids how to particpate in group, creating a show from scratch, teamwork, fun etc etc.

when they are excluded from the group, they feel isolated and made to feel unnecessarily different especially at an age where religion doesnt only not matter to them but they barely understand it all together. Half the time they dont even know what bloody religion their friends ascribe too. Let them be kids and just have fun.

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

Look here, I played (albeit the bloody wise man) but I didn't have a bloody clue why I was doing it...and I went to Sunday school! It was just some excitement before xmas where we dressed up and used a doll in something called a 'manger'! It means nothing religious at that age! Plus it was the same story year after year........

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

What confusion ?? Do you think children at that age actually delve deeply into the aspects of the Nativity scene ?? They are just too busy enjoying being "characters" in a play..t

By ONEmakikomoto• 8 years 10 months ago.
ONEmakikomoto

participation opens their mind.. but dont you think at that age it also brings confusion to them...?

tallg. same thoughts.. muslim kids in a christian play... hmmmm...

blackrick...'s suggestion is the best sol'n to this argument.,

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By Mis-Cat• 8 years 10 months ago.
Mis-Cat

RFLO Supernurse...maybe they were carrying other things it is believed the gifts they gave were supposed to be "medicinal"....;P

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

PMSL Mis-cat..............I was always led to believe that I was carrying Frank and Incense...mmmmm

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

Nah, I was one of the three bloody wise bloody men carrying god knows what but it wasn't gold....I wanted to be Mary! They're a waste of bloody time and effort anyway, now if I was Mary that would be different....see the psycholgocial scarring here???....Ban Nativities!!

By Mis-Cat• 8 years 10 months ago.
Mis-Cat

I can see the dialogue of the play:

Joseph (to inn keeper) - " we are in need of a room, my wife is pregnant and there is no rooms at the other inns"

Inn Keeper - Aya mon, we have no rooms but we have a stable tis free."

joseph - " we'll take it"

Inn keeper - " ya can have it as long as you dont be using me crop tat's drying in de rafters for ya fire"

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

I can agree with you and that's your right.

However, If you explained to your children that this is not part of their religion, would it still be possible for them to participate.

By baldrick2dogs• 8 years 10 months ago.
baldrick2dogs

The birth of Christ was (allegedly) an immaculate conception and the father was (allegedly) God. This goes completely against Islam, so no, Muslim children shouldn't be taking part in the Nativity play .... therefore .... BOTH celebrations could be done at the same time by their respective followers!

Just my 2c ;o)

Did you Google it first?

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
tallg

Thanks Abu. Apologies for the "super pious" comment. I couldn't think of a better way to describe it.

I find it hard to comprehend some of the strict things that some Muslims adhere to, but in this case it seems pretty strange to me that any Muslim would involve themselves in Christian activities.

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

Oh FFS! This PC crap! Having said that, if its a school in Nottingham one would be hard pressed to find any christian children there so there would be a lack of actors in the nativity......probably stretch to a Mary and Joseph and a tentative rastafarian Inn keeper.......

By AbuAmerican• 8 years 10 months ago.
AbuAmerican

tallg I don't see how a Muslim can justify their child taking part in a Christian activity in general, something like this included.

Thats my take.. suppose I'm some super pious guy as you stated above. Stuff like this is the antithesis of what Islam came to establish.

That said, I know Muslims who put up Christmas trees.. freaking crazy stuff.

As far as I know tallg there is no doubt its not allowed. Romeo and Juliet.. different example all together.

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By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

Agreed. Some parents will not want their children to participate. I suppose the same could be said for Athiests. That is their right.

My point was that the PC brigade cause most of the problems. They try to be accomodating, but end up dividing..

Children will mix willingly with other children. It's th eparents and the jobsworths who create problems..

By journalistgirl• 8 years 10 months ago.
journalistgirl

Unfortunately the situation is getting really silly in England, becuase everyone is trying so hard to be "PC" - the simple thing is to have both at the same time. Whereas most people in Britain have no issues with foreigners celebrating their own holidays etc, and generally never have issues with them taking time off for that, it should also be the case that the foreigners should respect the fact that they are in a new country with a slightly different perspective on life shall we say (I'm hesitant to say different values, becuase that could open up a whole mine-field). I think the option should be there for those Muslim students to attend the nativity play or not - carry on with the nativity play becuase that is just such a part of christmas in schools in England...It's really simple situation that is being complicated...

By 3.Emad• 8 years 10 months ago.
3.Emad

IT department here locked all websites other than QL and 2-3 qatari sites.. :(

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Emad =>

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
tallg

Emad - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativity_of_Jesus

By 3.Emad• 8 years 10 months ago.
3.Emad

not everything muslims do means that its ok for them to do it..people break rules u know..

about Romeo and Juliet, it depends on the message/moral of the play.. if its just about relationships outside marriage then its against the islamic education.

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Emad =>

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
tallg

I agree brit, participation does open their minds. But I still think there must be some opposition to Muslims being involved in a Christian play. I've got no problem if I'm wrong though.

Romeo and Juliet deals with something that isn't allowed by Islam, while the Nativity deals with something that's part of a different religion to Islam. That's quite a step up.

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

Perhaps I'm the odd one out here, but I believe that particpation by "young" children opens their minds. At that age, its a play and not an "indoctrination"..

I could ask whether Muslims should watch "Romeo and Juliet" since it deals with relationships outside marriage..

By 3.Emad• 8 years 10 months ago.
3.Emad

guys how can u tell? tallg i tried googling but i couldnt browse the pages, its locked.. i'll get a gd answer by tomorow..

in my opinion.. as long as its the birth of Jesus.. not the birth of god (anything opposing islamic beleifs).. then its no problem to attend

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Emad =>

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
tallg

That's kind of my point ONEmakikomoto - "the topic/subject is not really "in line" with what they believe in."

I'm not a religious person so I can't really answer your question I'm afraid.

By ONEmakikomoto• 8 years 10 months ago.
ONEmakikomoto

i actually thought muslim kids would not participate into something like this (Nativity Play) or theyre parents wouldnt allow them to. i mean, yes, the actvity would be for art's sake but the topic/subject is not really "in line" (cant think of a politically correct word) with what they believe in.

anyway, fault is on the people superising such events, they should have anticipated "stuffs" like these to prevent any conflicts.

tallg. (dont really know if ur christian) but if you are... would you particpate in a muslim play? participating is not a big thing, as it still be dependent on yourself if you let it affect your beliefs. but in this case... not really, muslim kids to participate in a christian themed play and christian kids particpating in a muslim themed play, is completely different story, i think. (turning the situation the other way around.)

im hungry, think my thoughts are scattered.

veni, vidi, vici.

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

I am sure many would..

This goes back to PC and scared educationalists..

As I said, when we were at school , we used to particpate in everything.

If children do this at an early age, then a lot of the racism / integration issues would go out of the window..

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
tallg

Emad, no I'm not interested in attending a Nativity. I'm interested in whether Muslims would attend and partake in one.

The Nativity play is the story of the birth of Jesus. Google it for more info.

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
britexpat

Let's not turn this into another Qatar bashing..:)

They don't get "Eid Off"..

Workers usually take it as a "vacation day".

Sudents usually skip school..

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

Blame it on the Teachers

And the reporter must be spanked cause he has twisted the whole thing into Islam V/s Christianity.

Its only reasonable the children wanting to spend their respective religious festival with their family and wanting to take leave.

Its very obvious the teacher was oblivious to such a thing. And how dumb the teacher is if he/she cannot find 10 children to enact the play, unless of course the whole class has taken leave.

By 3.Emad• 8 years 10 months ago.
3.Emad

are u interested in peoples views or the islamic view of attending christian assemblies (for example: nativity plays ) ? .. cuz i dunno the islamic view .. but i know we can go to churches thats not a problem.. i personally went to a famous church in jerusalem and i benefited alot.

what is exaclty the nativity play ?

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By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
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tallg

Yes they do shazbat, and Easter. But that's largely because the schools they go to are multi-faith and not specifically Muslim or Christian. Lots of schools in the UK are Christian schools.

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
tallg

I guess I'm becoming brain washed by the "super-pious" Muslims who post on here!

By shazbat• 8 years 10 months ago.
shazbat

So if Muslims in the UK get Eid off from school and work, does that mean Christians in Qatar get Xmas off from school and work? :)

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By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
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anonymous

tallg, SOME Muslims, but not all.

My kids have never been to a school that has a Nativity play, but they have participated in many "Holiday" (i.e. Christmas) concerts.

One of the greatest things I've ever seen in all my years in Doha was at a Holiday concert at school, when a Qatari/Filipino/Muslim student in full local dress got up on stage in front of a Christmas tree and sang a solo of "White Christmas".

It was incredible and I will never forget it. What a message.

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
tallg

I agree too. Eid is only a few days, they could easily have moved the Nativity to just afterwards.

I guess the things some Muslims have said on QL in the past led me to believe that Muslims would not participate or watch Nativity plays. I'm still interested to find out peoples views on that.

By britexpat• 8 years 10 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
britexpat

Agree with Notfromhere.. (whereever she's from)

The school should have planned better.

I don't see why Muslim children can't / don't / wouldn't participate in nativity plays..

When we were at school, there was no Muslims and Christians.. we all did assemblies, nativity plays, Guy fawks etc etc..

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
tallg

I'm happy to be corrected if what I said isn't right, that's why I phrased it as a question!

But I figured that Muslims wouldn't be too happy going to watch something that is a Christian story taken from the bible, that depicts Jesus as our saviour who was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and worshipped by many.

I know Islam tolerates the practising of different religions by non-Muslims, but does it allow Muslims to attend or partake in what is effectively a Christian church service?

I'd be interested to know.

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

They could have planned ahead a little better. It's a multi-faith school so you'd think they'd be aware that both holidays were in close proximity. They could have moved the Nativity up, instead of after the New Year.

By jauntie• 8 years 10 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
jauntie

The head teacher should be sacked for incompetence and anti-social behaviour likely to cause unrest between cultures within the community!

Try moving the Eid to New Year and see what happens.

Nativity plays are all about the events leading UP to Christmas (the birth of Jesus). You don't just shunt the birthday to a different date, any more than you move the Eid from it's 'moon' setting.

Both occasions are very big events in the calendars of both religions and NOT to be messed about with.

Sheesh!

By anonymous• 8 years 10 months ago.
anonymous

Why not, tallg?

By tallg• 8 years 10 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
tallg

The article implies that it's being cancelled because some of the performers in the nativity wont be in school over the Eid period.

'This is due to the Eid celebrations that take place next week and its effect on our performers.'

Correct me of I'm wrong here, but I highly doubt that Muslim children are going to be performing in the Nativity play. Would Muslim's even go to watch a Nativity play?

By baldrick2dogs• 8 years 10 months ago.
baldrick2dogs

O.F.F.S.!!!!

Did you Google it first?

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