Arab guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jew
A Palestinian man has been convicted of rape after having consensual sex with a woman who had believed him to be a fellow Jew.
Sabbar Kashur, 30, was sentenced to 18 months in prison on Monday after the court ruled that he was guilty of rape by deception. According to the complaint filed by the woman with the Jerusalem district court, the two met in downtown Jerusalem in September 2008 where Kashur, an Arab from East Jerusalem, introduced himself as a Jewish bachelor seeking a serious relationship. The two then had consensual sex in a nearby building before Kashur left.
When she later found out that he was not Jewish but an Arab, she filed a criminal complaint for rape and indecent assault.
Although Kashur was initially charged with rape and indecent assault, this was changed to a charge of rape by deception as part of a plea bargain arrangement.
Handing down the verdict, Tzvi Segal, one of three judges on the case, acknowledged that sex had been consensual but said that although not "a classical rape by force," the woman would not have consented if she had not believed Kashur was Jewish.
The sex therefore was obtained under false pretences, the judges said. "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," they added.
The court ruled that Kashur should receive a jail term and rejected the option of a six-month community service order. He was said to be seeking to appeal.
Segal said: "The court is obliged to protect the public interest from sophisticated, smooth-tongued criminals who can deceive innocent victims at an unbearable price – the sanctity of their bodies and souls. When the very basis of trust between human beings drops, especially when the matters at hand are so intimate, sensitive and fateful, the court is required to stand firmly at the side of the victims – actual and potential – to protect their wellbeing. Otherwise, they will be used, manipulated and misled, while paying only a tolerable and symbolic price."
Gideon Levy, a liberal Israeli commentator, was quoted as saying: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman?
"Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not."
Arabs constitute about 20% of Israel's population, but relationships between Jews and Arabs are rare. There are few mixed neighbourhoods or towns, and Arabs suffer routine discrimination.
Israeli MPs are considering a law requiring prospective Israeli citizens to declare loyalty to Israel as a "Jewish, democratic state". Many Arabs would balk at swearing allegiance to a state which they see as explicitly excluding or marginalising them.
Dan Meridor, a deputy prime minister in Binyamin Netanyahu's government, is opposed to the proposal. "Why does every bill need the word 'Jewish' in it – to show the Arab citizens that it doesn't belong to them? Then we're all shocked when they radicalise their stance.
"The majority doesn't need to remind the minority that it is in fact a minority all the time," he added.
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and whether knowingly or unknowingly taking something not acceptable to your conviction!
I once had beef in a buffet lunch without knowing it was beef. But when I came to know it was beef I didn't throw-up or did anything weird. I simply walked out of the restaurant, without eating any more.
I guess it’s a mental, emotional, religious abuse rather than physical.
Here is a sample. Once back home we gathered for the BBQ, and guys were preparing different type of the meat: chicken, pork, lamb, beef… for some reason they cooked pork BBQ first, and put it on the table.
There were couple of muslims among the guests. I saw one of them is approaching the table (he didn’t know what meat was cooked and served first). The guy was going to pick one of the pieces and to put it on his plate, at this time he almost touched the piece of pork. Last moment I warned him: “this is pork!” His reaction was unpredictable.. .He could not help vomiting, and that’s good that he managed to slip into the bathroom where he threw out…
Now, can you imagine if the host of this party would intentionally tell him that this is a beef (not pork), and would let him eat this meat?.. and can you imagine if this guy realized later WHAT he has eaten??!! What type of reaction would he have? And what kind of feelings towards the host he would experience? Please guess…
so it is normal reaction..
everyone knows: NO NEED to play on the religious matters..
they are all nuts and this proves it.
but for all muslims it is important
Jews are circumcised too :O)
she dont know the diffrence between muslim and jew while having her best night with him as muslim have to make circumcision
so she got what she want and after her satisfaction she declared it rape
what fool full story
You're right kids often say dudu when they mean shit.
feel free to judge :-)
They seem to be willing to do anything to keep their hate going (as do many Palestinians). Wasn't referring to you mate :)
are you judging me?
Looks like it :( I guess anything to perpetuate the hate, eh?
So if I borrow money from a bank and they give it to me thinking that I am Jew, but I am Muslim, then would I be guilty of robbery? :-(
What did he get her to drink?
ridiculous...& that's putting it mildly...of course,it's obvious the whole furore is because he's Arab & nothing else,that's pretty obvious to see...don't see why the Israeli authorities think anyone wouldn't see through their hypocricy...
dudu is shyte for a name ;)
We had a Dodi who went out with Princess Diana, so why not a DuDu ??
That bloody Dracula..
He dresses in Thobe and dances to impress the girls .. :O(
I though they stoned adulterated, does that not apply if the man is Arab?
Really ... If she is so Jewish following old testament levitical law, she should not have had sex until marriage. It's not like she was buying a used car, why not wait and have him meet your family first, your family will figure it out quicker than you, especially if you already want to hop in the sack with the guy. Kosher or not I think she liked the sausage
The guy's version
According to Kashur, he did not pretend to be Jewish.
He told reporters that he is known by friends and family by the nickname Dudu, which is more commonly used by Jews called David.
He has been under house arrest for two years, he said.
"If I were Jewish, they wouldn't have even questioned me," the Haaretz newspaper quoted him as saying.
"That's not called rape, I didn't rape her in the forest and and throw her away naked. She agreed to everything that happened."
a local to pull women?
From now on men should carry a halal certificate and brand their sausage with the halal stamp and show it to the women on demand.
geezz...Now I have to shave my beard and to undress my white thobe.
Anybody wants to buy a Land Cruiser? :)
I hope this news doesn't find it's way to beaumont. I may end up facing a lawsuit :o(
Haram... not Halal;-P
LOL at Britex....Kosher sausage. Now she will go to hell!
MODs...Would you please move this thread to "Funnies"? :P
I am sure this is the issue of kosher sausage... and I agree - we're missing an important thing here: did she like it??? ;o)
by the way - yes, people lie to get others to sleep with them, but it doesn't make it right! no, it doesn't make it a rape, but why do you have to lie to get lucky?
Britexpat,i think if she took the trouble of looking around harder,she would get what she desired! Non-kosher not allowed!
lol, exactly. They are convicting him for lying rather than anything else. I am sure judaism frowns upon premarital sex like most religions, so her issue with him is more to do with race rather than anything substantial, it wasn't like he tricked her into marriage then had intercourse with her.
'What a joke of a ruling. Lots of men lie about their jobs/financial status to bed women, should they also be prosecuted for "rape by deception"?'
If I had to count the times I've lied about being married to get a guy to leave me alone... I'd be prosecuted too... for perjury;-P
What a joke of a ruling. Lots of men lie about their jobs/financial status to bed women, should they also be prosecuted for "rape by deception"? Ridiculous law, I am sure it was more fueled by his race more than anything.
did she like it?
Well, she has brought religion in between...I can't digest this...May be, she would be right..But i think LOVE sees no religion, country barrier, caste or creed..
what a joke!
She wanted a Kosher Saussage ... Now she'll probably go to hell :O(
This is the best story I've read all day. Thank you for sharing. Really made me laugh. "Rape by deception"??? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
That woman felt cheated because she believed the guy was a jew as well! she just can't differentiate between Judaisiam and bieng arab,religion and ethnicity!
oh, I believe that for sex to be fully consensual, you have to be honest, coz if you lie about something, then it really is deceipt ;o)
anyway, it is a theoretical argument... let's have that coffee ha ha
lool .. yeah that could be confusing.. both arabs & jews are circumcises .
but hey..would that open up the door to .. "OMG he lied to me.. he said he was a doctor ..that's why i slept with him.. but he turned to be a plumber.. good one though :) "
this conflict is taking a whole other dimention !
well, they are cousins, aren't they??
mrgc ...really might have got tired searching fotos.....huh??? try somewr else not here....rofl.
you care to explain more ;-))
this guy picks this hooker from the night club and keeps telling her: "I'm 7cm long...I'm 7cm long"
She replies: "so what? I'm still gonna charge you a 100 bucks....let's get on with it, hon"
After 15 minutes she walks out angrily from the room, painful & almost walking like a cripled, while she yells at him:
"damn those schools you've gone to! They didn't teach you the difference between length & diameter???!!!"
technically if she deceived by the guy, sex really wasn't consensual...
then again... if she kept () closed maybe that tiny little bit longer... ha ha ha
I would have claimed temporary insanity for deciding to convert to judaism for one night
it can be cheating
but rape.........no way!
Seems she was too quick to open her legs.
Cos if it were, Britexpat would be in the gallows for life
is out....what a pity.... very long time no see
"The sex therefore was obtained under false pretences, the judges said"
What a load of crap.. This happens every day in every city.. We make up stories to impress the opposite sex with a view of getting nookie ...
He got what he deserves IMO.However to call it "rape"? All in all tis a strange strange case. Hope the deceived one feels better now..
OMG first ever heard ths type of case...
bechya you were attracted by the title and you thought that there were lotsa fotos inside :-)
Stupid woman.... Doesn't like who she found him to be so she cries rape.... how wrong...
However he isn't exactly shining white in this whole incident either...
What is wrong with people?
boared to read fully......no comments.
Judaism is a religion, while Arabism is a race/ethnicity.
There are Jewish & Christian Arabs in many Arabic countries.
Would she have protested if she has found out that the man was actually an English Muslim?
Is she worried about the religion, the race, or the orgasm?
no comment... =.=