Why 'am I a Hindu

Found it very interesting:
Four years ago, I was flying from JFK NY Airport to SFO to attend a
meeting at Monterey , CA An American girl was sitting on the right
side, near window seat. It indeed was a long journey - it would take
nearly seven hours.

I was surprised to see the young girl reading a Bible unusual of young
Americans. After some time she smiled and we had few acquaintances
talk.I told her that I am from India

Then suddenly the girl asked: 'What's your faith?' 'What?' I didn't
understand the question.

'I mean, what's your religion? Are you a Christian? Or a Muslim?'

'No!' I replied, 'I am neither Christian nor Muslim'.

Apparently she appeared shocked to listen to that. 'Then who are you?'
'I am a Hindu', I said.

She looked at me as if she was seeing a caged animal. She could not
understand what I was talking about.

A common man in Europe or US knows about Christianity and Islam, as
they are the leading religions of the world today. But a Hindu, what?

I explained to her - I am born to a Hindu father and Hindu mother.
Therefore, I am a Hindu by birth.

'Who is your prophet?' she asked.

'We don't have a prophet,' I replied.

'What's your Holy Book?'

'We don't have a single Holy Book, but we have hundreds and thousands
of philosophical and sacred scriptures,' I replied.

'Oh, come on at least tell me who is your God?'

'What do you mean by that?'

'Like we have Jesus and Muslims have Allah - don't you have a God?'

I thought for a moment. Muslims and Christians believe one God (Male
God) who created the world and takes an interest in the humans who
inhabit it. Her mind is conditioned with that kind of belief.

According to her (or anybody who doesn't know about Hinduism), a
religion needs to have one Prophet, one Holy book and one God. The
mind is so conditioned and rigidly narrowed down to such a notion that
anything else is not acceptable. I understood her perception and
concept about faith. You can't compare Hinduism with any of the
present leading religions where you have to believe in one concept of
god.

I tried to explain to her: 'You can believe in one god and he can be a
Hindu. You may believe in multiple deities and still you can be a
Hindu. What's more - you may not believe in god at all, still you can
be a Hindu. An atheist can also be a Hindu.'

This sounded very crazy to her. She couldn't imagine a religion so
unorganized, still surviving for thousands of years, even after
onslaught from foreign forces.

'I don't understand but it seems very interesting. Are you religious?'
What can I tell to this American girl?

I said: 'I do not go to temple regularly. I do not make any regular
rituals. I have learned some of the rituals in my younger days. I
still enjoy doing it sometimes..'

'Enjoy? Are you not afraid of God?'

'God is a friend. No- I am not afraid of God. Nobody has made any
compulsions on me to perform these rituals regularly.'

She thought for a while and then asked: 'Have you ever thought of
converting to any other religion?'

'Why should I? Even if I challenge some of the rituals and faith in
Hinduism, nobody can convert me from Hinduism. Because, being a Hindu
allows me to think independently and objectively, without
conditioning. I remain as a Hindu never by force, but choice.' I told
her that Hinduism is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and
practices. It is not a religion like Christianity or Islam because it
is not founded by any one person or does not have an organized
controlling body like the Church or the Order, I added. There is no
institution or authority..

'So, you don't believe in God?' she wanted everything in black and white.

'I didn't say that. I do not discard the divine reality. Our
scripture, or Sruthis or Smrithis - Vedas and Upanishads or the Gita -
say God might be there or he might not be there. But we pray to that
supreme abstract authority (Para Brahma) that is the creator of this
universe.'

'Why can't you believe in one personal God?'

'We have a concept - abstract - not a personal god. The concept or
notion of a personal God, hiding behind the clouds of secrecy, telling
us irrational stories through few men whom he sends as messengers,
demanding us to worship him or punish us, does not make sense. I don't
think that God is as silly as an autocratic emperor who wants others
to respect him or fear him.' I told her that such notions are just
fancies of less edu cat ed human imagination and fallacies, adding
that generally ethnic religious practitioners in Hinduism believe in
personal gods. The entry level Hinduism has over-whelming
superstitions too. The philosophical side of Hinduism negates all
superstitions.

'Good that you agree God might exist. You told that you pray. What is
your prayer then?'

'Loka Samastha Sukino Bhavantu. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti,'

'Funny,' she laughed, 'What does it mean?'

'May all the beings in all the worlds be happy. Om Peace, Peace, Peace.'

'Hmm ..very interesting. I want to learn more about this religion. It
is so democratic, broad-minded and free' she exclaimed.

'The fact is Hinduism is a religion of the individual, for the
individual and by the individual with its roots in the Vedas and the
Bhagavad-Gita. It is all about an individual approaching a personal
God in an individual way according to his temperament and inner
evolution - it is as simple as that.'

'How does anybody convert to Hinduism?'

'Nobody can convert you to Hinduism, because it is not a religion, but
a set of beliefs and practices. Everything is acceptable in Hinduism
because there is no single authority or organization either to accept
it or to reject it or to oppose it on behalf of Hinduism.'

I told her - if you look for meaning in life, don't look for it in
religions; don't go from one cult to another or from one guru to the
next.

For a real seeker, I told her, the Bible itself gives guidelines when
it says ' Kingdom of God is within you.' I reminded her of Christ's
teaching about the love that we have for each other. That is where you
can find the meaning of life.

Loving each and every creation of the God is absolute and real.
'Isavasyam idam sar vam' Isam (the God) is present (inhabits) here
everywhere - nothing exists separate from the God, because God is
present everywhere. Respect every living being and non-living things
as God. That's what Hinduism teaches you.

Hinduism is referred to as Sanathana Dharma, the eternal faith. It is
based on the practice of Dharma, the code of life. The most important
aspect of Hinduism is being truthful to oneself. Hinduism has no
monopoly on ideas.- It is open to all. Hindus believe in one God (not
a personal one) expressed in different forms. For them, God is
timeless and formless entity.

Ancestors of today's Hindus believe in eternal truths and cosmic laws
and these truths are opened to anyone who seeks them. But there is a
section of Hindus who are either superstitious or turned fanatic to
make this an organized religion like others. The British coin the word
'Hindu' and considered it as a religion.

I said: 'Religions have become an MLM (multi-level- marketing)
industry that has been trying to expand the market share by
conversion. The biggest business in today's world is Spirituality.
Hinduism is no exception'

I am a Hindu primarily because it professes Non-violence - 'Ahimsa
Paramo Dharma' - Non violence is the highest duty. I am a Hindu
because it doesn't conditions my mind with any faith system.
A man/ woman who change 's his/her birth religion to another religion
is a fake and does not value his/her morals, culture and values in
life. Hinduism was the first religion originated. Be proud of your
religion and be proud of who you are.

Comments

Khaled the Tiger, did you convert?:)
how refreshing!
omm,,omm,,,oommmm....ooooommmmm nice ring to that, don't you think?? :)
I am a Hindu primarily because it professes Non-violence - 'Ahimsa Paramo Dharma' - Non violence is the highest duty. I am a Hindu because it doesn't conditions my mind with any faith system. A man/ woman who change 's his/her birth religion to another religion is a fake and does not value his/her morals, culture and values in life. Hinduism was the first religion originated. Be proud of your religion and be proud of who you are.
n good that u respect ur religion....
that a person is always free, or should be, to change for the better. If one is into religion, then a better one of you is fine,,,,if its something else thats primary in your life, and the change leaves you a better person, then so be it. Mais, prendre garde parce-que plus ca change,,,,,
on that out of this forum.
where does your ugly caste system fit within all this nice talk?
we have reservations for backward castes in the education/job sectors in India!
Guyz Read this out! You will come to know What Hinduism is all about ... Its full of sensual gravity,imaginary and Myths. http://www.geocities.com/indiafas/Hindu/Part1.htm http://www.geocities.com/indiafas/Hindu/Part2.htm http://www.geocities.com/indiafas/Hindu/part3.htm
if someone converts,his called "fake" according to you....so whts da point of dis form.......
life's beautiful, very nicely put buddy,..some good insight into hinduism..liked it very much. Thanks. well- castism, dowry marriages etc- are some of the evils there...certainly...but then, which religion doesnt have some of its own..?
it is completely normal and acceptable to term a human being untouchable on the basis of the family she/he was in. I am not aware of any religion discrimintating among its own followers like hinduism. Hinduism also have to clarify the practice of sati (burning wife with dead husband). Yes it is legally banned in india today but it is very much part of hindu religion.
Thanks for a great post.. It shows that all religions, including Hinduism , if followed properly lead to a peaceful coexistence.. I say followed properly, because from what I have read there is an extremist element in India called the RSS, which espouses Hindu values..
abe abe
huh??? get the hell out of here!!!!! “I have nothing new to teach the world. Truth is as old as the hills.” Mahatma Gandhi.
I am a Hindu primarily because it professes Non-violence - 'Ahimsa Paramo Dharma' Then who destroyed the masjid babri? budhist? where r u on that time?
...and look at them objectively here they are: Sati System - Started with the attack by the western invaders on Indian soil. The invaders were known to kill the male and rape the females. Sati was a way to honorouble death in the face of immenent dishonour and death. It was not forced on anybody. It is not a religious tradition and has been declared illegal since decades. So you guys need to wake up. Babri Masjid - It is a recorded archealogical fact that Babar destroyed the long standing temple dedicated to Lord Rama and built what is currently known as Babri Masjid. India is predominantly a Hindu country ( 80% population is hindus). The situation which hindus were facing was - Birth Place of Hindu lord was demolished and a Mosque was built by Babar who came to India as a plunderer! This is equivalent to someone going to Mecca and claiming it as non islamic. Can you imagine this happening anywhere in the world? Hindus tried all peaceful means including going to the court but it did not work due to government of India's policies of appeasing the minorities and ignoring the majority. People lost patience and took matters in their hands.Hence the demolition. My viewpoint looks very simplistic but is true. RSS - has been demonised by the western meadia. It is meant to discipline the younger generations and instill patriotism in them and not a means to poison anybody's mind. They are fighting for what is rightfully and historically theirs and what was lost due to the mistakes of politicians at the time. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
For your information Hindu is not a true religion, never mind as long as hindu people are having good manners and behaviors.
you said - THEN WHY YOU POST THIS POST TRYING TO PUBLISH YOUR SH*T!!!! You have to learn to READ the OPs properly. Going by your previous posts I know you have a limited intellect but not able to read - "Found it very interesting:" in the beginning of the post is just plain retardation. Go and seek medical help. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
It is unfortunate but True; what you experienced about Hinduism. The answer to your first question is Bcoz You born in a Hindu family and followed so far whatever you have taught. It is the time for you to analyse and identify your true creator and lord. Regarding Babri masjid/Ram janambhoomi case-Need to be closed as it was during the partition of India time; If we need to focus on core development areas. It is high time, we shall not give a TOOL to the politicians to Rule the nation by Religion Based Politics. Remember- Religion doesn't feed anybody, it is a secondary human needs. Religion have become a base in India to Rule the country, but see the climate is changing now. The whole nation wants local problems to be solved first like Bijli (electricity), Sadak (proper roads)aur Paani (drinkable water). India is truly Shining NOW!
to have peaceful discussion respect all religions and faith. LIB/Khalid: Don't jump to the conclusion so fast, whatever you claim justify with logically acceptable reasoning.
Hare Rama Hare Krishna movement, a bunch of drug addicts? A hindu friend back in the Uk referred to the cow as "gai mata" meaning cow mother, on which another friend replied, If cow is the mother for all Hindu's does that make the bull as their father? On which we all smiled. But our Hindu friend explained that one of the Hindu Goddess rode on the Cow and hence it became Holy Cow mother and that is why Hindu's respect the cow, as well as the Monkey's and Elephant etc etc. But hippee culture in the west really embraced Hinduism and now there are Hare Rama Hare Krishana chanting western men and women dressed in orange throbes on the streets roaming with their little drums and finger cymbals. ----------------- HE WHO DARES WINS
get out of these religious threads before they degenerate to this level.
Another fictional propaganda religious beautiful story! "'Like we have Jesus and Muslims have Allah" -heheheehe, it shows that who ever wrote this hasn't done a proper research! A Christian wouldn't say that!!!!!!!! For Christians, Jesus is a prophet and God is God (the same one as Muslims call Allah)...
qualified Qlers have arrived.....No further discussion required.....Be positive..Live positively! NO more 'Divide and Rule Policy' should be Entertained!
Thanks for the post, since it gives us all a chance to read up on other religions... From what i have googled, Sati , meaning virtuous woman, is said to be a Hindu practice , where a widow immolates herself on her husband's funeral pyre. A woman commiting Sati was believed to go to heaven and even the sins of her ancestors were forgiven. There are many cases, where temples have been built to honour her memory. The Agni Purana seems to support this. You are correct that Sati has been declared illegal, but many women still commit it. As far as the RSS is concerned, surely its actions, go against the very nature of a religion advocating peace. I personaly can see no difference between the actions of the RSS or the extremists in Islam or the IRA in the name of religion.
Can you post the moral of the story in a topic? text text text... *pfff*
Give me a reason you think RSS,Islamic militants and IRA are similar. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
The movement became what you have said after a bunch of drug addicts from 'western countries' espoused it and spoilt it. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2054069/hindus_rss_bjp_killing_muslims_in_india/
Any group that kills, murders, hates or commits any criminal act in the name of God/Religion. Terrorist.
...which is a political party and this video is a media propaganda similar to ones witnessed in Bosnia. It's a story about the majority and the minorities.It's like a monkey pissing off a lion and then complaining if thrashed and beaten. Not sure if you understand the analogy. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
From what I have read, the R.S.S has been associated with acts of terrorism. Even Mr. A.Antony , Chief Minister of Kerala and Chief Minister Digvijay Singh of Madhya Pradesh have labeled it a terrorist organziation..
is the creature of this whole earth, sun, moon and all planets. We believe in Allah and only Allah..Mohamed(SAW) is the last prophet from him and showed us how to live according to the wish of Allah..We believe this world is only a place of temporary living and our permanent life is life after death..Islam believes Bible is from Allah and only difference between Islam & Cristianity is Cristhians are workshipping Jesus whereas Muslims believe Jesus is a prophet from Allah just like Allah..But in Hindusims there are hundreds and thousands of Human Created Idols as God..
...yes you are right.Islam is a great religion. But so are others. Hindus don't consider these idols as gods. They consider them as 'symbols of god' just like you have the crescent and christians have the cross. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
Darling get real and get your facts straight from a reliable source . SATI SYSTEM : Sati was enforced on Indian women as a tradition. It was banned by the british and this ban was enforced by them .Even today we hear of this barbaric act being carried out . War enslavment rape plunder is part and parcel of all civilizations including the one that are now part of India. India as one entity only emerged in recent history . Emphasis on rape being carried out only by western invaders is really quite funny to say the least . What about the fights between the princely states of India ? they offcourse didnt plundered and raped after war they shook hands and walked their ways. very gentlemenly .... Babri Masjid : The alluded recorded fact is such a fact that Indian courts werenot able to gather any evidence to prove the same in the long history of this case in the court. Darling if you are wearing rose glass and see all rosy cosy for RSS it doesnot mean the rest of the world is also blind. India is great not because of Rss or fanatics but because it has the greatest people in the world with huge capacity to love and forgive .
I am not hurting your belief..Let me ask? What is the need of this idols if you want to pray to Creator Brahma)..He is not like a Minister whom we should first meet the Secretary before getting an appointment from him..For a moment just think of that...
"Nobody can convert you to Hinduism, because it is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and practices"... then why does LIB compare hindhuism with Islam and Christianity...
Please read my posts above carefully and answer this for yourself. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
its like every individual makes a religion for himself and has masses of individuals following him.... in this case finding the true meaning of hindhuism will be a far catch. your ideology is not the same for a different devotee.. so its strong point to be noted that the comparison brought on other religions (islam and christianity) doesnot make a point as they are based one point from one god.
'Loka Samastha Sukino Bhavantu. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti,' . . . "Hours later, Hindu mobs rampaged through villages in eastern India on Tuesday, attacking a Christian minister, damaging two churches and setting off Hindu-Christian clashes that killed at least one person." (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-10-01-504329397_x.htm) . . So, I'm confused....
Any post in a public forum about any religion is only calling for trouble and unnecessary attacks against that religion! Not all QLer's are followers and not all are interested to be indoctrinated or lectured by god knows who about god knows what they follow! Religion should be kept private!!!!!!!
private and personal affair. Keep eyes open and don't BUY anything whatever is available in the market, similarly, do your own search to recognise, identify and submit yourself to your TRUE ONE LORD of the Universe! Peace
You're right. But don't deny the power of vanity...you know:" ...mine is bigger, faster, better, smarter, younger, wiser...."!
Gica, LOL... that's a fact...my god greater than yours...hehehehe
Hinduism is a culture. Not religion. RSS – an extremism in Hinduism like Taliban in Islam. Moving on is simple; it's what you leave behind that makes it so difficult .
I agree with GICA. Vanity has no boundaries. Religion is a means to communicate to God not something to be advertised. And Yes LIB, RSS is comparable to the likes of Taliban or worse . I am not sure if the Taliban preaches 'Ahimsa' and hypocritically burns small children alive and rapes women during riots but RSS does all that and more.
anyways...LIB yours is a beautiful post right till the moment you said this... "A man/ woman who change 's his/her birth religion to another religion is a fake and does not value his/her morals, culture and values in life. " I guess thats where you pissed people off...Religion is a personal choice my friend...It is about making your peace with your God...A very personal thing. So you have no right whatsoever to be judgmental...being judgmental is a crime...a person has the freedom to follow which ever religion he wants to follow as long as he is happy with it and he feels he is on the right path...so I think you need to take the last bit back... now to the rest of the people...sati is not something from hindu religion...it is a practice that added on later...it is not enforced anywhere in the hindu scriptures...it is more of a social thing...so is the caste system.... because of an organisation (RSS) we cannot fault an entire religion...this is like saying all African Americans are white because MJ a famous African American had vittiligo... the actions of a person or organisation cannot define a religion.... Zarre zarre mein usi ka noor hai Jhaank khud mein wo na tujhse door hai Ishq hai usse to sabse ishq kar Ishq hai usse to sabse ishq kar Is ibaadat ka yahi dastoor hai Is mein us mein aur us mein hai wohi Is mein us mein aur us mein hai wohi Yaar mera har taraf bharpoor hai In every spec there is His light, look within yourself, he is not far from you, if you love him then love everyone else, if you love him then love everyone else, this prayers rule is this, in this, and in that it is He, in this, and in that it is He, my friend is omnipotent (in the essence of everything)
...to debate with someone who already seems to have made up her mind. It's not RSS which burns women and children.It's done by a group of disgruntled angry citizens. There is a difference. RSS doesnn't arm people like your taliban,hamas or IRA. A crime of anger and frustration cannot be classified in thesame way as 9/11. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
Hinduism is a way of life. All outsiders have always been treated as gods. That's why we have so many gods. But all outsiders were always free to follow their own religion, build their own religious places and convert the hindus to their faith.
LIB i like ur spirit and agree with your points ... well i dont support RSS though ... article is good and shows how broad is Hinduism ... It doesn't enforce anything .... thats wut i like being an hindu
"RSS doesnn't arm people like your taliban,hamas or IRA. "
I am Hindu. I am very interested about other religions like Christianity, Islam & Judaism. But my inquisitiveness sometimes lead people from other religions to believe that I am a prospective convert. But to this I say "NO"! I shall never abandon my religion of birth. Though I am aware of the fact that if I convert to Islam/Christianity from Hinduism I shall not become an apostate. But I see no moral benefit in converting from one religion to another. Any one religion to me is as good as another. I hold some Agnostic beliefs! And the thing I like most about Hinduism is that I can be agnostic at the same time call myself a Hindu and everyone including my parents shall respect my feelings! No one can thrust some religious ideas or practices in my mind. And myself being a non practising Hindu, I am never critised for being so. And I actually enjoy some of the customs and rituals which has crept into me due to my religion. These are the things which keep me tied to my roots and I shall never abandon it. I am one proud Hindu!
Thanks.. Just one question.. Going by other postings.. Is Hinduism considered a religion or a way of life as stated ?
You can say Hinduism is a way of life, and its our religion too. But the religion is called "Sanatan Dharma". BTW:Who says a religion needs one particular prophet or one God? I think thats a gross misconception.
chill dude... you dont have to be so rude and low... how would you feel if somebody says that your religion. let an individual be the way he wants. he tried to create a stir, but apparently it dint work out. so why dont you try not to make it worse. i think you should just edit that and be fair.
I was impressed with all what u said until my eyes fell on this sentence: "A man/ woman who change 's his/her birth religion to another religion is a fake and does not value his/her morals, culture and values in life." I respect your philosophy of life. But this is a kind of extremism. Its best to explore other religions and see whichever makes the most sense. You have to be open-minded ; thats exactly what your religion is promoting. May God direct us to the right way in life. ******************************************* * What doesn't kill u... makes u stronger * *******************************************
about things I have a hard time associating with any religious teachings. For example, I don't understand a religion that can classify human beings as "untouchables" and would like to understand that. Also, can someone explain the practice of devadasis where young girls were married to the gods and sometimes sexually exploited in temples by Hindu priests. I really would like to understand if this is an abomination of religious teaching and if so, how could that have gone on for so long?       I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Are u kidding!............Saying that Hindu religious teachings classify some people as untouchables is same as equating Islam with Taliban or the suicide bombers. Now If I say "I don't understand a religion that can encourage human beings to carry out terrorist attacks to kill people" (This is not my point of view, I only state this to point out how stupid you sound in your previous post). I bet there will be scores of people(including yourself) rightly defending Islam and saying these are the work of crazy fanatics and they are in no way connected with Islam or its teachings. Some people just corrupt religion or use it to achieve their personal goals & agendas. On second thoughts I would say "defending" is not the right word as islam doesn't need any defence against such stupid arguments. So much for your big matured head!! I think you better not call other people immature, because I believe you have got to do some serious thinking to do about your own maturity level. Does it ring a bell in your mind when I tell you that I am just a kid!
And mind you, I have not studied my religion. I only talk commonsense and whatever I posted is from common knowledge. And studying Hinduism is a massive task! as there are no set of rules/guidelines or a small single textbook which you can read and say that you have read about Hinduism. Our religious scriptures are contained in a vast set of books, which may take a lifetime to read. And as I don't believe my religion is any better or any worse than any other religion, I have never attempted to read so much Holy text, as it is not my subject. But I have talked with people who have read a lot about Hinduism and I found them to very broadminded & rational people. As for me I would rather read the bible or the Quran rather than spend my time to unravel the mysteriess of such a disorganised religion by reading 100's of confusing and conflicting books.
For the second question - you have answered it yourself. Those are abomination of religious teachings. (And thats for the sexual exploitation of the virgins by priests). And If so, how could thay have gone on for so long? This one is the stooopidest question!!!! & doesn't even deserve an answer! These things shall only stop when the suicide bombings in the name of religion shall stop! In other words nobody knows when these occurrences shall stop. Do I sound rational? PS: The concept of devdasis or vestal virgins has been there since time immemorial. The Romans had vestal virgins in their temple of Vesta. And nobody is forced to become a devdasi. The girls do it on their own free will. I hope no one forces some christian girls to become nuns and remain virgin for life. They just choose to become a nun.
women in Vedas Women in Vedas Soma Sablok The Indian Constitution guarantees equal rights to both the sexes and does not discriminate on the basis of caste, color and creed However, despite the constitutional provisions, do women enjoy equality with men ? The answer is 'No'. Their condition still remains miserable. Newspaper carry report of rape and burning of women for not bringing sufficient dowry or their inability to satisfy the demands of greedy in laws. Basically, out present attitude towards women streams from our religious scriptures which refer to women as contempt. Our oldest book are the 'Vedas' which contain highly objectionable and condemnable passages concerning women. Taking cue from the 'Vedas' authors of subsequent religious scriptures referred to women in more contemptuous form. 'Sati pratha' (custom of burning the widow with the body of her husband), 'Dasi Pratha' (keeping the slave girls), 'Niyog Pratha' (ancient Aryan custom of childless widow or women having sexual intercourse with a man other than husband to beget child), were among cruel customs responsible for the plight of the women. Syed Qadeer
'Rig Veda' itself says that a women should beget sons. The newly married wife is blessed so that she could have 10 sons. So much so, that for begetting a son, 'Vedas' prescribe a special ritual called 'Punsawan sanskar' (a ceremony performed during third month of pregnancy). During the ceremony it is prayed: "Almighty God, you have created this womb. Women may be born somewhere else but sons should be born from this womb" - Atharva Ved 6/11/3 "O Husband protect the son to be born. Do not make him a women" - Atharva Ved 2/3/23 In 'Shatpath Puran (shatpath Brahman)' a sonless women has been termed as unfortunate. 'Rig Veda' censures women by saying: "Lord Indra himself has said that women has very little intelligence. She cannot be taught" - Rig Ved 8/33/17 At another placein Rig Veda it is written: "There cannot be any friendship with a women. Her heart is more cruel than heyna" - Rig Ved 10/95/15. 'Yajur Ved (Taitriya Sanhita)'m- "Women code says that the women are without energy. They should not get a share in property. Even to the wicked they speak in feeble manner" - Yajur Ved 6/5/8/2 Shatpath Puran, preachings of the 'Yajur Veda' clubs women, 'shudras'(untouchables), doga, crows together and says falsehood, sin and gloom remain integrated in them. (14/1/1/31) In 'Aiterey Puran', preaching of the 'Rig Veda' in harsih chandra -Narad dialogue, Narad says: "The daughter causes pain" Syed Qadeer
http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/kasem/women_hinduism.htm Syed Qadeer
Man created religion ..not GOD... get over it guys...
Being hindu i cant accept or tolerate RSS.Remeber only in India with 80% hindus a hindu political party can loose elections. Those westeners who cry foul in RSS watched in siliece for 2 years the massacre of bosnian musliams. When will britan have a muslim prime minister or a hindu minister or a jewish prime minister. this will never have . Hindus are tolerant and thats why even after seperation other minorities live in relative peace in India. I agree there are elements like siva sena or RSS who creates trouble . But it is there every where in the world.What hapend to parsis in iran, where are they now. where is the hindus in pakistan or in afghanistan or indigenious people in U.S. Jews lived in totoal peace only in India. Regarding sati, i can point out 100 or more customs practised by christian groups around the world which are worse than sati. sati was never a religious practise, it was a method to keep the honour of hindu women, those times as per thetribal system it was considered more honourable to die in war than returning home as a looser, so most men never came back from war , they fought until death and to save women from invading muslim forces sati was intorduced . then people started respecting those laid their life by building temples. We rescept every religion and beleive in every prophet, takes the good side of each religion, we beleive in Karma and dharma, ie Duty and once actions are more important in life. One of the most famous hindu scholar swami vivekanda said torn down temples and build foorball grounds there so that youngeters will be healthy , i know it is difficuilt to understand such a complex philosaphy ,but as hinduism says respect every religion , take the good from every one . peace and happiness to all.
I think we all must see Dr. Zakir Naiks lectures and debates on Islam in comparison to Hinduism and Christianity. He debates with the highest and most learned Hindu scholars and clearly illustrates the flows in Hinduism. For which, the Hindu scholars had no answer to. Personally I respect all human being irrespective of his or her religion. But this guy “life is beautiful” is getting to my nerves. Anyway, I don’t blame him. After all, he prays to a cow!!!!!!! And when a cow shits…he thinks it’s holy. So what else can we expect from a guy who supports the RSS and thinks demolition of the Babri Mosque was fair. Frankly speaking….this guy and his thoughts are so full of SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
please read the name of the author before reading the article , and once again take the good from everyhting , recpect others you will win your respect.
I asked the questions in good faith from a desire to know. I had hoped to have them answered without personal attacks on me. I think you know that I am open to discussions about Islam without getting defensive and attacking the questioner. I am disappointed you are not able to handle questions about you religion in the same manner.       I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Edifis - I respect your feelings and religion. To make our living we spent over 15 years in school+colleges to learn, study and acquire this materialistic worldy knowledge. Spent around 30/35 years working hard to gain our names in the society, work place, maintain standard of living, career progression to attend our social commitments. Then why for the most important aspect of KNOWING and understanding our LORD, we don't want to spend time. Why one is NOT bothered to know the purpose of LIFE and where is he going, what is the NEXT stage of LIFE? where is our destination? and so on? Keep eyes open and don't BUY anything whatever is available in the market, similarly, do your own search to recognise, identify and submit yourself to your TRUE ONE LORD of the Universe! Dear PM: You hit the nail, which is difficult to explain why in hinduism these traditions are still followed. As we all know that it is based on Myths and Edifis very well said being it is one of the ancient religion (man made)...need to abolish certain old traditions like criminal offense in IPC against practising Sati, Child marriages and Dowry system.
post and delete it (very offensive) Thanks
PM, why do you feel so insecure? I have observed that if anyone contradicts you, you tend to classify it as a personal attack! I thought I only replied your queries as best as I could. If you take that as a personal attack, then I should stop contradicting you even when I feel you are giving wrong data. Look I have seen you critisizing others in a very acerbic manner. So I thought you could take some constructive criticism. I didn't know you were so faint hearted! So thats it! I shall stop this. In future you shall only find me exchanging some sugar coated words and formal greetings with you. I shall be extra careful not to hurt your feelings, as I do not want to loose the friendship of such a knowledgeable person as you.
why must you slam another person's religion? Are you that insecure in your own? If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man. -Mark Twain-
Well i dont know why some find it offensive, they do believe in animal gods, they do believe in shiv ling, they do believe in it, isn't it? why is it offensive, did i put some lies here? if its not correct, i will edit my post, and regarding being offensive against women, read the link its by an indian women who has quoted their scriptures, i am sorry if its offensive but thats how the religion is...
Victory, Thank you for the valuable advice. But tell me was I wrong in when I pointed out that the those crimes are not related to Hinduism but these can be attributed to the corrupt people who happen to be quite powerful Hindus. It's exactly the same when people tend to associate terrorists and OBL with islam. And imagine how foolish I will sound If I say OBL is the epitome of Islam. These things needs to be addressed isn't it so? Yet, when I do the same for Hinduism people get angry!
To Study a religion, refer to its scriptures and not to few of its followers. Hinduism has been aggressive religion against women: Read this: Genocide of Women in Hinduism http://www.geocities.com/realitywithbite/hindu.htm And its a big disguise to stay it is non-violent, what is Mahabharat? Amazing religion which believes in stories of Ganpati the elephant god. Anyone can explain why hindus worship animals, why they worship shiv ling ? See this latest one: From Indian news channel: http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/95844/bangalore-builds-a-temple-for-dead-monkey.html Go back to your scriptures and you would realize that you need to wake up instead of blindly following what ur ancestors did.
what is offensive is that you are making fun of their religious beliefs...not sure what religion you are but would you like it if someone did that to the deity in which you worship? If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man. -Mark Twain-
Can u explain how did i make fun of their religion? I only asked why do they believe in animal god (which they do), why they worship Penis of shiv (which they do, i can post link from their own religious site, if u dont believe). the last link i posted was from Leading Indian News channel thats reporting and not a funny blog/site. Which statement of mine u felt is making fun of any religion, i would edit it immediately, i promise.
Smartbuddy, I don't find your posts offensive! You have stated some facts which are found in the internet. I am sure there are reasons and explanations for everything. And some aspects of Hinduism needs to be addressed. And the "Indian Penal Code" does that.I believe we are a great nation. And if there are some mal-practices they are always rectified in our country. But Hindus do worship animals & Nature And Shivling(The Penis of Lord Shiva) is also worshipped. And these things do not come under mal practices in India.
Perhaps it was this quote you put after having posted all those links questioning the Hindu religion "Go back to your scriptures and you would realize that you need to wake up instead of blindly following what ur ancestors did." If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man. -Mark Twain-
Even as we speak here....many new born baby gals are barried alive in some parts of India, just because they are not the desired gender. I saw somebody say HInduism promotes equal rights... hahhahha....Take a hike dude.
things like that happen in other places too...China does the same sort of thing sometimes...now has caused problems with the number of males to females in that country. If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man. -Mark Twain-
"Go back to your scriptures and you would realize that you need to wake up instead of blindly following what ur ancestors did." Well its the need of the hour, people claiming to follow Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, etc need to go back to their scriptures, instead of blindly following what the priest, mulla, ancestors or followers do. Learn/Search for the truth. Study your religion, it will affect you, what was offensive/fun making in that?
I see People don't seem to get my point. Please Do not equate the malpractices of the society with the religion... If you do that then think about your own religion and your own country. Is it perfect.
As far as I know about the system of castism (brahmins / untouchables); which is been practised now under traditional and customary then attached to hinduism. Indian Govt is fighting to eradicate and reduce the impact as much as possible. with time it will definitly put under control. Regarding devdasis system, I don't have much clue. The above issues what PM raised, as initially it was attributed to Hinduism and it is purely human exploitation. While terrorism, extremism or Sucide bombing is NOT at all have any relationship with Islam; please note that all schools of Islamic thoughts have condemned terrorism of all sorts. These sort of issues are generally attributed to the PERSONAL discrimination or Agony due to disrespect to a certain community. caste or creed. Group of people / community retaliate to achieve personal goals or acquire power. My point is clear....Terrorism has NO religion....(check LTTE, IRA, Al-Qaeda, Talibanism, Maoist, etc, etc)
Even as we speak here....many houses are being destroyed and many people are being killed in Palestine. But you still should not attribute these murderers to Judaism.
It may be happening elsewhere, girl child being killed but its not promoted by religious scriptures like that in Sanatan Dharm, thats the reason i say go back to the scriptures: Atharva Veda.6.2.3 "Let a female child be born somewhere else; here, let a male child be born." [ Ath.Ved.VI.2.3 ] [ cf. Peri ] The most sacred of scriptures are the Vedas, and the Rig Veda, the oldest veda, explicitly sanctions the custom of sati. The following famous `Sati Hymn' of the Rig Veda was (and still is) recited during the actual immolation of the widow: - Rig Veda X.18.7 "Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as corrylium ( to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned." -- [ Rig Veda X.18.7 ] [ Kane 199-200 ] * The Garudapurana favourably mentions the immolation of a widow on the funeral pyre, and states that women of all castes, even the Candalla woman, must perform Sati. The only exceptions allowed by this benevolent author is for pregnant women or those who have young children. If women do not perform sati, then they will be reborn into the lowly body of a woman again and again till they perform Sati. [ Garuda.Purana. II.4.91-100 ] [ Kane 237 ]. * A sati who dies on the funeral pyre of her husband enjoys an eternal bliss in heaven [ Daksa Smrti IV.18-19 ] [ Sm.Samu p.30 ] [ 1200, p.65 ] * According to Vasishta's Padma-Purana, a woman must, on the death of her husband, allow herself to be burnt alive on the same funeral pyre [ DuB.345 ]. * Yajnavalkya, the most important law-giver after Manu, states that sati is the only way for a chaste widow [ Apastamba.I.87 ] [ 1200, p.65 ] * The Yogini Tantra enjoins upon Brahmana widows to burn themselves on the funeral pyre of their husbands [ Yog.T. II.303-308 ]. Vaisya and Sudra widows were also allowed to do it. It was prohibited to unchaste women and those having many children. [ 1200, p.67 ] * The Vyasa Smrti gives one of the two alternatives for a Brahmana widow, ie. either to become a sati or to take up ascetism after her tonsure [ Vyasa Sm. II.53 ] [ Sm.S. p.362 ] [ 1200, p.67 ftn.136 ].
Black sheeps are there in all religions who spoil the name of the religion they belong to, thats the reason, go back to your scriptures to learn about the religion u follow or ur ancestors followed. Many posted here that the custom of wife burning is cultural and not religious , thats the reason i posted the quotes from scriptures which sanction wife burning.
To all religious people out there who insist in lecturing others, by posting innocent stories about their religion, this is what they will always get back: the promotion of the nasty and ugly side of that religion! So if your objective is to stimulate rejection from your religion, go ahead and continue to publish religious posts!
you hit the nail squarely on the head...good post!! If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the main difference between a dog and man. -Mark Twain-
Pales/Israel (Arab conflict), has become a political issue/war than a religious one. UN and NHR councils objective is to ensure to STOP human exploitation globally......GCC pressuring US applying joint efforts to stop this war as soon as possible. BTW...stay on the forum, avoid personal attacks or disrespect any religion. Peace
Agree with Lusitano.....the original poster posted an innocent story thinking that people will get impressed by his religion, even went on to defend Sati (wife burning) with Lies by saying: "Sati System - Started with the attack by the western invaders on Indian soil. The invaders were known to kill the male and rape the females. Sati was a way to honorouble death in the face of immenent dishonour and death. It was not forced on anybody. It is not a religious tradition and has been declared illegal since decades. So you guys need to wake up." This is what happens when people dont know their own religion and dont read their own scriptures, he thinks wife burning was because of Western invaders without realising that its nothing but lies as his own scriptures propagate/endorse/promotes the practice of wife burning......... Go back to your scriptures...........
I had not posted this to stir emotions.I had posted this coz I found it very interesting.I have even mentioned this in the OP. All the mal practices in Hinduism is looked upon as evil even by Hindus themselves and they have supported their eradication. Dowry burning is different from Sati system. Sati is related to the religion while burning wives for dowry is a social evil. Both are punishable by law. I was surprised to find that there are more than a BILLION Hindus worldwide and they come from all countries/races etc. What is interesting is most of these hindus practice hinduism as practiced in India and celebrate similar festivals and important days. This would mean that there has to be greater virtue in Hinduism which makes it the world's oldest religion. Hinduism is a religion of symbolism.Worshipping Shiv Lings comes from the ancient vedic religion which considers the Shiv Linga as the symbol of creation.Shiv Ling is not just the penis of shiva as many have put it.It is yoni and linga together.Yoni is the female sex organ.Hence a shiv linga is a copulation which is a symbol of creation. This is not unique to hinduism.It was practised by Mayan and aztecs,khmers and aztecs and almost all of the ancient civilizations.The form would not necessarily been the same but the symbolism existed. It's difficult to find people coming up with logical arguments in a public forum all the time.We should expect insulting comments from people which only reflects their poor taste.For me this thread has been a learing apart from being an excuse to research certain points mentioned here on the internet. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
Most of the posts are about Traditions NOT Dharma (Religion). If group of some faith are involved in some unlawful activities than it should not be seen as fault of religion. Such people are taking shelter of Religion to win the sympathy and get the funds (Money) to continue it for their benefits. Terrorism is the best example of it. I am not here to prove any religion better than other because mankind has seen enough bloodshed to prove it. Below translation from Rig Veda tells every thing about "GOD's Existance" Truth/Good did not exist before the Universe came to be Neither did Untruth/Evil Neither did Space Neither did the sky What was hidden? Where? Who/what had covered it? At that moment Unmoving, strong ocean was not there either Who created the Universe Is that a creator or destroyer? Lives in the high skies Always plays the part of the leader That only knows the truth Or maybe not No one knows really No one knows No one knows really No one knows really That(he) was wise before being born to Hiranya That is the lord of all consciousness That has the presence bearing the land and the skies Which God like that should we pray to with sacrifices? The skies are lit with Its strength The earty prosperous, established, stationary Heavens and Sun also stationary Which God like that should we pray to with sacrifices? Born with fire in its womb There was ocean here and there and up and below Woken as the only life Which God like that should we pray to with sacrifices? Om! (Incantation) Creator of the Universe and heavens, ancestor watch over us Immense ocean, savior of truth and religion watch over us The vastness of directions are stretched like Its arms in all and over all We should keep praying to such God We should keep praying to such God
There is no other country like India... Inspite of having 80% Hindu community, the level of freedom by muslims and christians is inexplicable in the country. the normal population coexist is such a beautiful way. i being a muslim was brought up in a Hindhu family and spend half my life living among christians and Hindhus , NOT ONCE did i feel threatened for my religion. My house is surrounded by hindhu families and we coexist is such a peaceful way and not once did religion bother us. In india, being a muslim or minority is a previlage. you get benefits from even hindhu political parties. This article has made me thinking about how beautiful it would be to just coexist without issues of caste, race or religion, although it may irk a few that being a muslim i have been to temple and church. It only gives me the pleasure when my chrisitian and hindhu friends become a part of my religious celebrations.
guys like you existed in this forum.Your story reminds me of the saint Kabirdas!
Have to say the some of the most successful people on this earth are Jewish and Hindu's. ----------------- HE WHO DARES WINS
success?
I am with you....even I discussed similar experienced about India's hindu/muslim/christains...our love and unity in diversity. But here we are discussing about the religion and NOT about India and Indians peaceful and tolerant culture. India is truely very rich in culture and values. Peace!
kabirdas is way up.... but for me, the feeling of coexisting and respecting other religions and having them reciprocate is something which i cannot explain, in the begining i was a bit skeptical about what the author was trying to prove.
my underlying point was to emphasize on the tolerance and peaceful attitude of the hindhu culture keeping the country India as the basis.
I condemn sati system and find it devilish/ghoulish/inhumane and I would not want my wife to burn with me. Thanks for a good question. Why do you assume that I'am a Hindu? Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
no more comments as commenting further with quotes from hindu scriptures would only hurt the sentiments of hindus who after reading their own scriptures find it insulting or in poor taste. no more posting of quotes from hindu scriptures as it sounds insulting and abusive to many. just one ending question LIB, do u support wife burning (SATI), since ur religious scriptures propagate/endorse/promotes the practice of Sati? why the religiously recommended system Sati is banned by the law? Is religion wrong or the law wrong? PLEASE DONT DIVERT TOPIC TO PATRIOTISM, INDIA IS THE BEST SECULAR COUNTRY BUT THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT HINDUISM (AS RELIGION).
i have nothing against "hindus", have very good hindu friends but since this topic was posted as OP thought it to be "interesting" to promote hinduism to others on this site, then people should know the dark side of it too. I can post more from the sacred scriptures but like I said i wont, this site is not for religious debates. LIB: You condemn a system which is propagated/endorsed/promoted by the most sacred scriptures of supposedly the most ancient religion? well there is no reason to assume you to be a hindu seeing u defend it even if it meant blaming SATI on western invaders. Life is beautiful indeed !
I'am trying to be patient with you inspite of your repeated personal attcks. I want you to get off my topic and stop being a pain. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
God OR creator of the universe OR Supreme Power dose not want any mediators/agents to prove his/her existence. Existence of the GOD is not depending on such mediators/agents. Religions are just guidelines developed in accordance with certain geographical, social and environmental situations of that time so as to bring harmony in life. You may find many irrelevant/unwanted/unethical traditions in all religions and if some dumb minded groups are still following it in the name of god than we should not blame particular religion for it. Galileo was sentenced to death by Church just because he proved that earth is round and it was not matching with the writings written in religious books centuries ago. That doesn’t mean that religion is wrong rather we should blame dumb followers who killed him. You should not force people to lead their life according to rules written centuries ago. All the religions should welcome new thoughts and knowledge and practices. Growth is inevitable phenomenon, so as religions also should grow.
LIB: Lol, reading your own scriptures is a pain? You post a topic promoting hinduism on an open forum and when someone quotes your own scriptures from your "sacred" and ancient religion you call it personal attacks? If you cannot tolerate your own scriptures stop promoting ur religion on open forums, post it on ur religious forums, u may get lots of praises there! The topic is on an open forum, if u are unable to defend ur post that does not give u the right to ask people not to post and get off "your topic"!
I'am not against you posting anything from any scripture.You attacke me personally and insult me if you ask questions like you have asked in your previous post. How would you feel if I asked you - Do you support sucide attacks as means for jihad since it is recommended in your religious scripture? You get my point? Don't stick to one malpractice of sati system like a maniac if you want to have a meaningful discussion.And btw,you didn't answer my question properly - Why do you assume that I'am a hindu? I support Brazil football team.Does that make me a Brazilian? So think what you are saying before you get agressive. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
SmartBuddy: Nice to see that people still do research on what they intend to post. Contacted some of my 'resources with this intrsting discovery and this is what they told me... Quote---------------- As for the Rg veda quote 18.7, Kane seems to have done a lopsided translation. It was supposed to be step up to the pyre and not step 'in' to the pyre. The word vidhwa does appear in many other richas of the Rigveda. From the moment of death of her husband, a woman is no more called "a wife" but a widow. So the phrase "these wives" in the above translation of Kane cannot be interpreted to refer to widows." In fact, sukta 18 commands a Hindu widow to return to the world of living beings; the Rigveda confers on her all the properties of her deceased husband. The third richa (X 18.3) commands "May those who are living remain separate from the dead..." (Rigveda Samhita by H.H. Wilson and Bhashya of Sayana edited by Ravi Prakash Arya and K.K. Joshi). Dr Wendy D. O'Flaherty, Ph.D., in her book, Rigveda (Penguin Classics, page 52) mentions, "Those who are alive have now parted from the dead." Shri Ram Sharma Acharya of Bareilly in his Rigveda (in Hindi) translates, "Mritak ke pass se jeevit manushya laut aavey..." This command of Rigveda to leave behind the dead is equally applicable to Hindu widows as they are also living. The English translation of the seventh richa (X 18.7) as given by H.H. Wilson etc. is, "Let these women who are not widows, who have good husbands, enter (anointed) with butter. Let women without tears, decorated with jewels, first proceed to the house." Shri Radhakrishna Shrimali and Smt. Ashalata Upadhaya of Jodhpur in their book Rigveda (Diamond Pocket books, page 156) give similar interpretations of X 18.7 and X 18.8. Thus, different authors from different places vouch that richa X 18.7 does not refer to widows at all. What this richa says in a nutshell is that, married women should be first (among others) to return to their homes. The eighth richa (X 18.8) specifically commands a Hindu widow to return alive to her home. H.H. Wilson translates: "Rise woman, and go to the world of living beings; come, this man near whom you sleep is lifeless; you have enjoyed this state of being the wife of your husband, the suitor who took you by the hand." Here again, it is confirmed that X 18.8 actually commands a Hindu widow to return to the world of living beings. --------------------------------- Unquote Also, that Atharva Veda is supposed to be the 'black arts guide and is looked down upon by a lot of scholars. One comparison which I came across is such.... Quote---------------- "The vedas themselves are not written lucid. Sanskrit, being the complicated language it is, the translations take the whole sense into a totally different tangent. they contain a bevy of imagery that seriously eclipses the real meaning of the verses. Reading Sati into the scriptures would be like quoting the mythology of phoenix and deciphering that all birds have to be burnt. The meaning of the word Sati doesnt say anything about immolation or death. It stands for a 'virtous woman' (talk abt a male dominated society- couldnt find the masculine noun of it!!). Unquote---------------------- Now the question is, do I buy it? too early to say. I have only started the course of trying to make sense of my country's history. Further, when it comes to cultures/religions, I'd rather be a student than a believer. Btw, I do believe this: Anyone who denies the existence of sati or the religious establishment's complicity in it is a victim of selective blindness.
God OR creator of the universe OR Supreme Power dose not want any mediators/agents to prove his/her existence. Existence of the GOD is not depending on such mediators/agents. Religions are just guidelines developed in accordance with certain geographical, social and environmental situations of that time so as to bring harmony in life. You may find many irrelevant/unwanted/unethical traditions in all religions and if some dumb minded groups are still following it in the name of god than we should not blame particular religion for it. Galileo was sentenced to death by Church just because he proved that earth is round and it was not matching with the writings written in religious books centuries ago. That doesn’t mean that religion is wrong rather we should blame dumb followers who killed him. You should not force people to lead their life according to rules written centuries ago. All the religions should welcome new thoughts and knowledge and practices. Growth is inevitable phenomenon, so as religions also should grow.
your quote "hindhu culture keeping the country India as the basis"....I don't agree if hindu culture as basis in India then we shall follow RSS & Shivsena's policies of Hindutva, right. India's culture and traditions is a combination of various faiths, beliefs, festivals, preaching and messages of Buddha, Gandhi, Mother Teresa and various Saints born in India, on Peace, Unity, Love and Brotherhood. It can't be linked with One specific religion. Request to maintain Peace!
Thanks for your posts above. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
How would you feel if I asked you - Do you support sucide attacks as means for jihad since it is recommended in your religious scripture? Please quote the scripture like i quoted instead of laying an allegation, I dont support Suicide attacks nor does the scriptures, also just to mention Suicide attacks was not discovered by Muslims, do some research on it! Don't stick to one malpractice of sati system like a maniac if you want to have a meaningful discussion. Why did u blame it on Western Invaders when actually your own scriptures promotes it? I can raise many points from your scriptures but I wont even if u provoke me! You are losing your cool since u expected all rosy comments, oh hinduism is so cool, lets all be hindus etc etc but reality bites and seems its bitten u too hard. You are asking me to get off and also want a discussion? Keep ur cool and defend ur posts else dont post it. Why do you assume that I'am a hindu? I support Brazil football team.Does that make me a Brazilian? So u are not a hindu right, good for u, so why are u getting frustrated and asking me to get off "your topic"? So think what you are saying before you get agressive. Well i just quoted ur scripture to prove that Sati was not because of western invaders but its from the religion itself, proving ur lies is aggression/personal attacks? Well i have been polite except for quotes from ur scriptures which u find it offensive but i can't change ur religious texts.
I am done with the topic, no more wasting of time on it. see ya later, if i login again in the evening, till then have a nice day!
Victor: I agree with you in the present context. But when you delve into the history of the subcontinent beyond 800 years, the presence and influence of other religions wasnot very evident. If the quote was abt "Hindu culture with India as a basis" and not "Indian culture with hinduism as a basis" (havent seen the complete post, I shud confess), then I guess it shud be ok. Hope you get the difference. Again, RSS and shivsena's policies of hinduism are a 20th century abomination. I am sure you can find much better things to choose in Hinduism (do you actually need to? I mean, why should religion dictate anything ;)?)
RSS and shivsena are the kind of extremists like the taliban and other fanatic organisations. Their involvement is mainly to disrupt peace and to imprint their ideology by the use of force. very remote number of people foloow their ideology of hindhutva and the whole of india doesnot totally agree with their thinking, their strong hand once is losing foothold on even among themselves.
Beauty of Hinduism is, I can still oppose such scriptures and thoughts written centuries ago without any kind of fear and no one will kill me for opposing it and I can still claim that I am Hindu. You must appreciate that very few religions on earth are having this qualities and open-ness.
with the religion but am trying to understand how they got to those points from the teachings. Here's an example from Islam: consider suicide bombers. Some scholars (like Qaradawi) say that the Palestinians are defending themselves with their only available weapon (their bodies) and therefore it is okay, even a DUTY of the Muslim. They also add the hadith in which the martyr is supposed to get 72 houris (virgins) in Paradise, so that is used to encourage young men to commit an act of suicide that is normally punishable by sending the deceased to hell. It's pretty easy to see how the religion can be twisted by men to support doing something which most of us find abhorrent. That is what I had hope to have from you; a discussion about the source of such things and how they have been twisted into acts that don't reflect the teachings of the religion. Instead you got insulted and the rest is here for everyone to read.       I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
How are you? BTW.....the very purpose of explaining Indian cultures ONLY influenced by Hinduism is not correct.... I feel the above post from Thalib & mine will clear the whole picture. I personally feels everybody is been given Rights to Feel Pride of Whatever RELIGION One follows keeping the doors of their brains wide open to Welcome, study, understand and appreciate their OWN religion first and then other religions to evaluate and seek the right path what Lord have choose for us. Thalib - I already said in my first post (page 1) that religion is been used by politicians to gain power. Thanks and Peace!
LIB, I am afraid organizations like RSS are doing exactly that. They make arms and ammunitions available to the Hindu youth and train them. Hindu sangh/RSS and such are associated with political organization and they are no diffferent than Taliban. I guess it is an era of secularism and let us not be proud of ourselves based on our religion. I am not even proud of being a 'human' after seeing the mobs getting carried away with - 'I am proud of my religion let's kill those who belong to the other religion'.
...to understand how can you compare Taliban and RSS. RSS is arming people with sticks,Taliban is arming people with suicide bombs and AK - 47s. Is that a fair comparison? I agree to the second part of your argument. No religion is superior or inferioer and we have already shed lot of blood trying to prove otherwise. Religion is about faith. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
LIB, RSS is doing exactly that. They are harbouring criminals and training youth to use weapons. Soory if you are shocked to hear this information because as good civilians we may all be doing our part and not knowing the exact truth about what activities saintly people are engaging in (those who claim to be on religious forefront). Try to goggle and find out the truth for yourself.
PM, I never felt insulted by what you said! But I never expected a person as well versed in religious studies like you to attribute those evil practices to Hinduism. And so I felt, it was my duty as a Hindu to clarify that these things are not promoted by the religion. But some people do misuse religion and religious texts to evil ends.
because I that is what I have read about and seen. That is why I was asking for some information that would help me understand if the caste system and devadasis are some corruption of Hindu teachings. There was a good chance to share information and clear up misconceptions, but unfortunately no one has. You can see how I used an example from my religion and explained how I believe it has perverted the real teachings of Islam. I was hoping some Hindu would explain these issues I brought up in a similar manner so I could learn. Unfortunately, Hindus seem more inclined to get angry or insulted by bringing the issues up. :-( BTW, neither my major nor minor fields of study in university were religion.       I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM, me neither, I really have no clue about the teachings of Hinduism or for that matter any religion. So Let's stop this discussion here. So much of our time and energy wasted invain! Neither you nor me end up any wiser after all this. So please forget whats been said and done before and lets focus on the womans magazine thread instead! Cheers!!
First of all well done on remembering a whole conversation word by word that you had four years ago. I can't remember what I had for dinner sometimes so I admire your wonderful long term memory. My little knowledge off Hinduism is, it ia a complex of beliefs, values and customs and that you worship many gods, believe in a caste system and a belief in reincarnation. Does that define a 'religion'? Not in my book. __________________________________________________ Man makes plans...............God smiles ;-)
PM, caste system is a part of Hinduism based on the teachings by 'Manu' the Hindu Adam. Manu proposed the division based on work attitude but never did he mention in his book 'Manusmriti' about not marrying within various caste and treating the toilet cleaners as untouchables.Although he does specify that those who are teachers should be on the topmost level and should be paid more respect followed by soldiers and so on. He made this demarcation based on the work ethics and a aptitude of person.He also mentions that the son/daughter of a teacher/preacher of hinduism (brahmin) in case marries with those lower in aptitude (soldiers/businessmen/cleaners) will be considered at a lower level socially and will not be given the same respect. etc...etc... Mahatma Gandhi's efforts were succesful in demolishing untouchability but it still exists in remote villages in India. In his book 'My experiments with truth' Gandhi mentions that he was disgusted with the unhygenic habits of brahmins (he was one) who never cleaned their toilets and kept their houses dirty and was impressed by the toilet cleaners who cleaned their house everyday.etc....
was to stratify society based upon contribution, somewhat in the manner that economic stratification takes place due to education and career choice. Perhaps the main difference would be that caste is inherited, right? So was there anyway in which one could change their caste or they were stuck based upon their birthright? Does the caste system still affect marriages today?       I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM, The caste system still affects marriages. But not for all families. Intercaste marriages are very common. But it is still a issue with some families and it is quite common to find some parents grumble over their son/daughter's choice of spouse from another caste.
Or is it more like Americans who trace their roots to the Founding Fathers? They have that lineage but it doesn't really set them up to reap any rewards.       I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM, in 'Manusmiriti' it is defined that the brahmin can become a soldier and choose any lower caste (meaning career) and likewise for all but a shrood should not perform the task of a brahmin or one who is lower in the caste should not perform the task of higher levels. Key word being 'should not' as it is sign of doomsday. Intercaste marriages were allowed but brahmin parents did not prefer to marry their daughters in lower caste as they lost their social status. As for caste system affecting marriages today - yes it is a preference in arranged marriages but these days children choose their own life partners.
PM India is a close knit society. In small towns (almost 80% of India) each one knows other. If one is from the business family from ages they have made important ties they function in a similar manner and not let new people to enter the market. The soldier families are mostly absorbed in armies and they have their own lifestyle and so on...So can operate at any level if one has an aptitude to do so. That is more or less how caste system affects the society.
your posting, I doubt if u r a qatari as u wrote in your profile? R u sure u r a qatari? or lying to pretend to be a qatari?
Mom_meIs there any thing such as a soldier family in India. Don't we have people from all castes in the army.
Agree Edifis. But if you notice most(almost 65%) of the soldiers are from the Uttranchal ranges who were predominantly rajputs of rajasthan settled in himalayan ranges when Mohammed gazni attacked India.There is the Punjab regiment - mostly Sikh fighters. I don't wan't to go in details here.That can be a different topic altogether. Things have changed very recently after Gandhi's efforts. Now we have IPS officers ...... all lower caste.
May be.........And I don't have the figures to disagree with you.
So you believe the world will come to an end and samsara will end, too? Then will people either reach nirvana or be relegated to our equivalent of hell?       I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
Hinduism believes in 4 dimensions or co-ordinates. The x,y z and the 4th being the time. Time is believed to be the 4th dimension which is a different level and one cannot understand it unless you have the third eye or vision. Lord Shiva with the 3rd eye is believed to bring the doomsday which is the end of earth (It is supposed to blast). Time is eternal and the wheel of time will again rebuild the earth and everything will repeat itself - something like dejavu. This is the concept I have understood by reading the various hindu scriptures. Please correct me if I am wrong.
The 4 Yugas or Epochs in Hinduism: The Satya Yug The Treta Yug The Dwapara Yug The Kalki Yug (At the end of this era there will be doomsday) and everything will go back to Satya Yug.
Some of the chantings are universal & are bound to bring positive energy & peace in this world. We read lately (Gulf Times June 30, 2009, page 21) that Japanese scientists are trying to use the thoughts itself to do the desired action without moving our limbs. Now just relate the meaning of this chanting: "Hey Allah/Amen/Om, you are the root of our life, you are more dearer than our life, who is without sorrow & removes our sorrows, who is originator, pure & pious, please come & stay in our heart and dierct our mind to the good causes." Since thought is energy & energy in never destroyed, the chanting will add positive energy in your body & increase aura in you & the world around you.
...your post above is very positive and is packed with hope :) Mom_me - Not sure about your claims. Some of them need to be checked. For Ex. Hindu philosophy of doomsday.You said earth is 'supposed to blast'! I thought it was suppossed to end in a big flood (Pralay).Secondly,your claim about the composition of the army. My father has served the Indian Army for 22 years and my uncle who is still serving is in his 19th year now. I think we will know some facts better than you ( I'am just assuming here). What you have mentioned about the Indian Army is totally false and there is nothing to prove it. Indian Army is a professional body and it's recruitment is based on scientifically defined criteria and a rigorous selection/elimination process. It has no sembleance to your claims whatsoever. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
...about women or wife burning in Hinduism...can anyone explain this: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/13+domestic+violence-za-02 These are not Hindu women! An Excerpt: A monitoring exercise conducted by the law firm AGHS shows that from April to June this year, 122 cases of women being burnt were reported in Lahore. Of them, 21 women had acid burns while the rest were injured by direct exposure to flames. Forty victims died. Disturbingly, the figures have doubled as compared to the first quarter of the year. These cases constitute merely the tip of the frightening iceberg of violence against Pakistan’s women. The figures reported above apply to Lahore but are unlikely to be lower in other parts of the country. Indeed, one wonders how many cases go unreported. The forms of coercion range from emotional and economic abuse to gross violations of constitutional and human rights, including rape, burning and being handed over as settlement in disputes. Last year, at least two women were believed to have been buried alive in Balochistan. That a sitting parliamentarian defended the act as a ‘tribal custom’ reflects just how endemic violence against women has become in the country. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
if see in terms of percentage to population; where this case would stand? Bride burning for dowry in our country despite stricter laws it is quite high and vulnerable.
...my question is specific to the allegations on the religion of hinduism and not the the societal nuances or percentage... Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
I didn't post this to promote anything. I don't have a religion basically. I'am a lost soul for you. Just so that everyone knows. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
[quote:] "I told her that Hinduism is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and practices." If so, then why were you angry when I said that Hinduism and Budhism were not religions but philosophies?!
LifeisBeautiful said jessshan ... ...yes you are right.Islam is a great religion. But so are others. Hindus don't consider these idols as gods. They consider them as 'symbols of god' just like you have the crescent and christians have the cross. unqoute LIB who gave you this info that muslims have crescent as symbol? As-Sunnah As Saheeha http://www.islamlecture.com/
I got it from the Flying Spaghetti Monster. And QL - Read my entire OP properly. Whatever is mentioned is not what I said. And oh I forgot,I'am not talking to you coz I'am very angry with you. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
MR. LIFEISBEAUTIFUL, You want publish your religion, for that you made nice drama with the American girl, pls. tell something about that her.
As for your assertion that Babri Masjid was indeed the birth place of Ram... on what basis are you claiming this? Do you even have a clear indication on when Ram was born... let alone the exact spot? Care to elaborate based on what fact you are claiming with absolute certainty that Ram was born on the spot that Babri Masjid was built? Let me give you my references... "In his slim yet insightful booklet, Communal History and Rama's Ayodhya, Professor Ram Sharan Sharma writes, "Ayodhya seems to have emerged as a place of religious pilgrimage in medieval times. Although chapter 85 of the Vishnu Smriti lists as many as fifty-two places of pilgrimage, including towns, lakes, rivers, mountains, etc., it does not include Ayodhya in this list." Sharma also notes that Tulsidas, who wrote the Ramcharitmanas in 1574 at Ayodhya, does not mention it as a place of pilgrimage. After the demolition of Babri Mosque, Professor Ram Sharan Sharma along with Historians Suraj Bhan, M.Athar Ali and Dwijendra Narayan Jha came up with a Historian's report to the nation claiming the communalists were mistaken in their assumption that there was a temple at the disputed site and how it was sheer vandalism in bringing down the mosque and the book has been translated into all the Indian languages."
Are you english impaired? Read the entire posts before being funny. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
No pleeeease I hate to be hated :(
you..I'am only angry. I will be alright later tomorrow maybe. Now don't skip your dinner bcoz of me. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
Oh good.. coz I've already had dinner!
by your mission to prove your point. Take QL as a fun place to be and don't make it your bread and butter coz QL is not gonna give you a job. Don't take the discussions too seriously coz you are not gonna be a superstar here. Just be normal and have fun. You are not confuscious nor are others.Just a suggestion. I would be the last person you would want to discuss religion seriously with bcoz if I tell you how I feel about religions you would be deeply hurt and I don't want to hurt anyone here. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
"I would be the last person you would want to discuss religion seriously with bcoz if I tell you how I feel about religions you would be deeply hurt and I don't want to hurt anyone here".at Last a good confession
please please don’t go...... I don’t want hear those thing, pls. tell me something about American girl, finally what happen to her.
Maybe if you know what religions are really about your feelings will be less negative.
Who are the hindus ? "Hindu" is basically what the arabs called indians. before it i think there was some other name or it could've been that people were divided into different religions. Even now An arab (qatari) might call a indian a hindi/hindu. that might be the reason they have sooooooo many gods(2 mill+) and have soo many scriptures this is just what I think and i dont want to force any1 to believe it like some people on QL ;)
I'am writing a book titled - Confessions of the Devil. It will be out by July next year. I would recommend you read it. I don't want to share too much but religion will atlest help me in feeding the orphans of religeous hatred. :) Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
If you're writing your book based on feelings not on knowldedge then I'd rather read a novel :)
I'am not claaiming it to be universally acceptable anyways :) Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
hey dancing12 this is not the place to shit.. there is pyramid in your place and go there put shit there...ok...mukmaffiiiiii...
what will a monkey do if it gets a garland.........
Will it have vestel virgins and what nationality will the Devil be ?
Will it have vestel virgins and what nationality will the Devil be ?
...the devil has no nationality...only the brotherhood of man. Vestel virgins will have to wait for their turn...I'am excited writing abt it and frankly don't care if the readers get excited. It's helluva write. :) Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
who destroyed pakistan hotel.....who put on bomb on pakistan mosque.....who put on bomb on hydrebad mosque in india........tell me zaen........
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Well, I am entering late into this conversation and wish i shud have logged on before. A very interesting topic. I remember posting some time ago on QL regarding purpose of life where we discussed about religion. Well, i read some nice well-studied post. But there's no critical analysis about religion, i guess. Everybody becomes sentimental when it comes to their own religion. Religion can be considered as a function of brain/intelligence/thinking. And this separates human from other animals. It's observed that animals with some development in brain follows certain rituals. Thus elephants cover the dead elephant with tree twigs, leaves etc. Religion can be considered as a way of life, an acquired/learned human instinct and this instinct could be similar to natural instinct in animals. This natural instinct programs animals on their way of life. Thus lion will not eat grass even it is hungry. This animal instinct governs the animals while for human "the human instinct" has to be developed (or cultured). If human instinct is cultured in different way then human may be mold in that way. e.g. Tarzan, Mogali (in the jungle book). On the other hand, there were attempts made to culture/domesticate the wild animals with high failures. One can not change the natural instinct of the lion by culturing it. Human can domesticate certain animals not because they cultured their natural instinct but because their natural instinct was in that way. Thus when we talk about religion we can mainly talk about BRAIN and MIND. So, having a religion could assist human to evolve (mentally). And a religion could be equated to the development of human instinct. What do u think?
sir every religion in the world says that volience is prohibited its not only hinduism that says about ahimsa but in islam it said if u kill a human it means ur killing the whole humanity and if u try to save any human's life ur trying to save the whole humanity. indeed hinduism is world's oldest religion but not as flexible as abrahamic religion which dominates most parts of the world. hinduism is a religion of people who used to reside in indus valley and people residing in that valley were called hindus. it has a more geographical significance than a religious significance.
making invalid and untrue statements and then saying,"Hey take it lightly" is BS You have stated something... you better stand up to what you said or agree you were wrong You have told people on the forum that the Babri Masjid was demolished by Hindus cos that's where Ram was born and you stated this as a fact Many people would read that and would have been misinformed about the Babri Masjid issue If you do not have sufficient background to back up such a charged statement on a sensitive issue... you need to keep yourself from commenting on such issues
From all what i understand that she's right in all what she said to you in the plane, Cristian & Islam is an Old historical and all the world are talking about but Hindu or whatever we just hear about it from indians, every ppl born in this world has an there massenger who told them about the GOD, so it's how you want the world intrduse a relign that not having a god, oooh and yeah we hear also that in india some relign making the COW as GOD and they don't eant the meat.... India is a country which creat there copy of all world with little changes to indian style the you will become indian. That's my look. and sorry
LIB……I noticed a few contradictions First:::: Quote::: I explained to her - I am born to a Hindu father and Hindu mother. Therefore, I am a Hindu by birth. Then u continued that you are a hindu by choice….no u r hindu by birth not by choice… Second….. Quote: I told her that Hinduism is not a religion, but a set of beliefs and practices. It is not a religion like Christianity or Islam Then u said “Hinduism was the first religion originated” Thirdly…. Quote: I am a Hindu primarily because it professes Non-violence - 'Ahimsa Paramo Dharma' - Non violence is the highest duty….but then u try to defend the violence by RSS
"RSS doesnn't arm people like your taliban,hamas or IRA." what do u mean by YOUR TALIBAN, HAMAS OR IRA" be careful Mr.RSS
My Hindu brother (LifeisBeautiful) Pls. watch this and give your reply. http://www.thedeenshow.com/videos.php?action=listvideo&sid=36&id=1309
You watch it yourself and relax. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
1- If you say that everything was created by Allah (God), then who created Allah? 2 - Why does Allah not show Himself? 3- If you say that Allah is omnipotent (all powerful, can do everything), then can He make a rock so big that He can't even lift? 4- Can Allah make another Allah exactly as Himself? 5- Why only one Eternal and Everlasting as you mentioned in this thread? 6- Why Allah? Why not flying spaghetti monster or invisible flying pink unicorn? if they want the answers they can go to: http://www.islamic-life.com/forums/atheism-agnosticism/answering-hard-questions-atheists-224 I do not want to copy big text and paste it.
A happy person is not a person, who has a certain set of circumstances, rather, he is a person who has a certain set of attitudes – always keep positive attitude & be happy
this thread has been a pandora box for Mr. LifeisBeautiful... Yesterday, he was all about how religious threads should be kept off the QL forums I guess what he actually meants was to keep Islamic threads off the forum and here he voices some pretty biased religious views... I like naushadmemon's comments... calling LIB Mr. RSS BTW LIB, you still haven't told me how you were so sure that you stated as FACT that Ram was indeed born on the spot where Babri Masjid stands... and then you even likened letting the Babri Masjid stand as someone destroying the Holy Ka'aba and then building something else in its place... On an offbeat note, What's your favourite colour? Is it.... SAFFRON? wild guess... ;-)
I'am posting this in support of what I have said earlier which is - Babar was a foreign invader who plundered India and Babri Masjid was built on the site of a demolished temple which Hindus worshipped as the birthplace of their Lord Ram. It is a well known fact that Muslim rulers destroyed hindu temples because Idol Worship is in direct conflict with the teachings of Islam. Now,if you reject all this as myths,I cannot help but imagine that you and others like you have no sensitivities to others religious beliefs. For me that would not be a concern.But for millions others,it would not be a welcome sign. I don't wish to continue this discussion in this fashion where I feel there is not going to be a conclusion and we all will end up wasting each others' time. An excerpt: Finally, to the evidence suggesting that the Babri Masjid stood on the ruins of a Hindu temple. Since it is an issue about which the entire country would like to know the facts, I am presenting the same in some detail. The excavations at Ayodhya were part of a much larger project called 'Archaeology of the Ramayana Sites'. The primary objective was to ascertain the antiquity of this site and compare the same with that of the other sites associated with the Ramayana story. Thus, it was decided to excavate at Ayodhya as many spots as possible to ensure that the lowest levels were not missed. Fourteen different areas were chosen for the operations, such as Hanuman Garhi, Kaushilya Ghat, Sugriva Tila, etc.; and the Janmabhumi area was just one of them. In the Janmabhumi area, where there existed the Mandir-Masjid complex, a trench was laid out of the southern side of the complex, at a distance of hardly four meters from the boundary wall. In this trench, just below the surface, parallel rows of pillar-foundations, made of bricks and stones, were met with. While some of these fell well within the excavated trench, a few lay underneath its edge towards the boundary wall of the Mandir- Masjid complex. Since affixed to the piers of the Masjid there were many pillar-shafts carved with Hindu gods and goddesses, it was but natural to inquire if the pillar-foundations encountered in the trench had anything to do with the pillars incorporated in the mosque, which evidently originally belonged to a temple. An over enthusiastic Babri Masjid archaeologist, in his effort to deny the entire pillar evidence, published a propaganda booklet in which he stated that these were not pillar foundations but walls. The most amusing part, however, was that he just drew some white lines interconnecting the pillar bases on the photographs concerned and thereby wanted us to believe that these were walls. What a mockery of archaeology! Another Babri Masjid archaeologist, while conceding that these were pillar bases all right, suggested that the structure concerned was no more than a mere cowshed. No doubt for a person coming from a rural background the cowshed idea was a very exciting one, but he conveniently overlooked the fact that this structural complex had as many as four successive floors made of lime - something unheard of in the case of cowsheds. Here is the link:Please read,derive conclusions and argue. I don't want to be involved with any religious matters because all religions disgust me. http://www.hvk.org/articles/0302/196.html Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
...If I start a thread titled: "Why am I a Muslim?" and copy paste a forwarded story because I found it interesting - I does not mean that I'sm a Muslim. My OP states clearly that 'I found this interesting' and what is under it in the form of conversation is not 'MY' conversation. We all need to pay more attention to what is in the OP other than the Title. If LIB is starting a thread titled - Why am'I an Astronaut? it doesn't mean that he is an Astronaut. Not sure if you guys and preachers got that but I can't explain in more simple terms. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
@lib,what i dont get is this(pls feel free to correct/enlighten my ignorance)..isnt ramayan/mahabarat considered epics..(i mean fiction)..so why all the hue n cry bout where ram was born etc..even if a hindu temple did stand there centuries ago,does it matter if it was torn down by invaders n a masjid was built there..why tear down something that was currently standing in todays time..does it do anything for anybody excpt create hatred..
No one is arguing the fact that Muslim invaders destroyed temples No one is arguing the fact that Babri Masjid stands on a destroyed temple... Its a documented fact in the Archaeological Survey of India... so be it... What I am questioning is your assertion that Babri Masjid was the exact spot where Ram was born... Can you prove that Ram was born on that spot? Academicians agree that the Ramayana is a mythical epic... To associate an exact place of birth based on a mythical epic is a stretch... to plunge the country in to communal discord based on a mythical epic is a brutal conspiracy Besides, you entire idea of destructing one faith's place of worship because it used to be another faith's place of worship is flawed Did you know that the Holy Ka'aba for instance was a place of worship for the Pagan people at the time of the Prophet Mohamed PBUH Would you advocate that if the Pagan's came back today and restated their claim, we should tear it down and give it back to them? This whole argument to 'undo' the mistakes of our ancestors would plunge the world in to chaos... its a stupid argument
all major radical religious groups in India should be banned..otherwise its only a matter of time before we crumble as a nation..
@lib,..whatever ur intentions in putting up this post..there are many negative points that catch the attention(that ppl tend to focus on) about hinduism..for eg..u cant deny the absurdity of the caste system,that sati's did happen(not as beleived by britexpat above that they still happen..)or whatever else has been mentioned above in all the negative posts bout hinduism... What i'd like to clarify to all the non hindus who've posted above is that personally I feel(from first hand experience as an Indian)..the best thing about hinduism is tolerance..which is absent in other religions of the world.. Most of my best pals are hindu and wonderful people.. for in the end,whatever religion you follow,its ur deeds that count,not following a book ,set of rules blindly that defines you as a person.. cheers..
Delhi boy..u r the idiot..
verisi: I dont see how one more temple/masjid would make any difference in India, whether Ram was born there or not. It was jus plain votebank politics which ultimately got rejected by the very same people in whose name the whole drama was carried out. Also, I dont see why Ka'aba should be dragged in here. Are you comparing Prophet Mohammed's capture of Kaaba with what RSS did in Ayodhya? Agreed that thers a similiarity that both involved destruction of one group's religious symbols by another by claiming God's with them. But beyond that, isnt that a bit of a stretch when you compare stuff that happened 14 centuries apart?
delhibachu..why dont u 'saport' ur head with some commonsense..
...then this thread would be deleted. Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
...are same. No one is better or worse.They are all dependant on faith. We should not argue like this and create a bad atmosphere on QL and also at Doha. Running is the best thing God ever created! - Rabbit
I think you are all stretching here :) The simple fact is that a guy is proud to be Hindu.. Good luck to him.. Does his "pride" cause problems to any of us ?
LIB ok over :) 3 more post :P
hick...where's my beer now???lol Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
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