Court annuls Turkish scarf reform

I don't understand your comment.
Who would be losing power and what would they revoke completely?
It's a very touchy subject in Turkey and nothing at all to do with losing power for the governing party.

As a Turk, I believe that hard core seculars will one day have to accept the freedom of religion. Public polls show that 90% of the people are in favor/not against the headscarf, but the established bureaucracy does not want to see this fact.

I believe there is good in every evil. The court's decision is absolutely evil. For Muslims it will serve as an impetus to improve themselves inshaallah. One day Muslim Turks will take back the power from this group of Islamophobic people. As Muslim Turks we know that their roots arenot in our Muslim Turkey, but in evil, Masonic organizations. May Allah help us... Amin.

dweller think in reverse. i was talking about the so called secularists.

Turkey is one of the most.... awkward of places. Its a country without an identity they aren't total secularists and they aren't Muslim (not saying they aren't Muslim but you know what I mean) they are this sorta blah of the two mixed together..

Yea hence my comment in parenthesis, not that they aren't Muslim but they aren't known for being the practicing types.

Fact is they are a confused people, here nor there. Worst place to walk is in the middle of the street they say, you will get hit by traffic going both directions.

"Molae, if you were in turkey you could be jailed for that outburst against Ataturk...the headscarf is not the major issue, it's a symbol of the start of the end for secularism, which will not be tolerated... The Army will step in..."

Exactly my point!
This is a country with corrupted kind of "democracy". They literally force the people to abandon Islam using force/army.
Such a country must NEVER be allowed in the EU. (they should be left with us, we the 3rd world countries)

Turkey is not only like that, most of the muslim world is like that now a days, if we think about technicalities. "I am a muslim" is just something people say to convince others, but only god knows how many of them are real muslims.

"There's good in everyone, sometimes people just get diverted to the wrong path"

britexpat, I dont really know much details about chirstianity or what does the bible say. Most of my Christian friends drink and party, but they go to church aswell, infact they are more dedicated to their religion than alot of muslim people that I know.

"There's good in everyone, sometimes people just get diverted to the wrong path"

You're fortunate.. I don't know where you are, but in the UK, where I have many friends and family, most do not g to church or pray.

Infact church attendences all over the world are on the decrease and many hurches are shutting their doors.

Gurudwars. I have seen few in South Hampton
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God, your damned if you do and damned if you dont...Muslim women are constantly told to get an education, and get out in the work force, but are banned(in some places and i can see that this will be a trend) from getting that education wearing hijab that will in tunr help them enter the work force..

Its amazing that a scarf on the head can cause all this commotion...

AA its very silly, funny how you can wear it on your neck its ok and stylish, but not the head...

Actually there is no wrong thing for the decision. There are fundamental rules described in law which are based on logic, collective reason and necessities of time. To present self existence, there is no need to use extraordinary dress or other types of accessories. Except from the image, it is achieved by using intelligence, knowledge and talent. Type of covering gives some message. It doesn’t look like grand mothers traditional cover type. As clearly be understood, that scarf sorry to say used as a political symbol, so can not be accepted in public areas where may lead disorder among people. They are not allowed in governmental areas during education and working period. Except these periods everybody can wear in anyway.In addition, there are same kinds of decisions made by higher court of EU. Furthermore, as being an EU member and democratic, there are similar decisions in France too. It is not the restriction of education; it is just remind some people who are insist not to obey the rules for political reasons. They can attend their education for a couple of years without scarf then after graduation they can work in private sector or own business by wearing whatever they want. Not only because of firmly secularism due to separate concern of real world and concern of supersensible world but also to prevent chaos and to give an order is the reason of ban. This is the main doctrine and philosophy of Turks for thousands of years. Turks respect all religions, all spirituality and all people as being the same with equal creatures of God in mind and in practice. They have been in belief of one God before acceptance of Islam, after acceptance, they were being the advance guard of Islam. They always have high ethical values, high honor and high fairness. This situation is not caused by only religious or social reasons; it is the way and perception of life. Who are two faces in believe or unacceptable behaviors like in Germany etc. unfortunately who couldn’t develop in real Turkish culture and the worst part of population, who can not have enough education and enough property to live in a human manner. As it is the same painful reality for lowest part of population in all countries. On the other hand, as dissociating the world business, Turks likes alcohol, like dance, like eating delicious food, like good furniture and like good dress like all people do. In my opinion, women rights are very developed. The number of women have higher education and have eligible jobs such as professors, businesswomen, engineers, doctors, lawyers are proportionally high and it may comparable with western countries. I hope everybody will see or live in Turkey, will meet real Turkish people and let to know themselves Turks, as in many language means “good person”.

bobaob...You think that the scarf is worn for "political beliefs? Are you sure about that? Maybe some do but im sure for others its because its part of their religion..

Your post is wishy washy...you said a type of covering gives a message, im assuming you mean hijab..well the meaning of that is that a woman is muslim, simple really, no hidden messages there. Muslim women dont swtich on and off their beliefs, hence they cant do as you suggested take their veil off to attentd Uni and then place it back on after graduating..

So if women took the scarf off and wore a mini skirt, does that mean she can use her brain more, whats the difference what you wear. Going to university is about using your brain to learn and aquire qualifications, has nothing to do with what you wear..

Scarves and bonnets have been worn for centuries. Mostly as protection from the heat, but also for modesty.

No one regarded as a religious symbol till recently.

Molae said:
it is time for the turkish ppl to throw away the false robe of democracy & start taking the law with their hands.

Molae, What kind of robe do you wear?

Maybe, your robe is "booby trap" and fully loaded with ""Explosives"" ready to start taking the law with your own hands?

And let's dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people

she had her hijab, she had to wear a wig on top of it, in order for the guard at the gate to let her in the university which she studies in! Very clever! Sometimes the only way to do things is by cheating on those stupid Kemalists!
The reporter of Aljazeera also mentioned that there was a time in Turkey when Kemal the dictator, forced the people to wear western costums, and that some Turks were executed for refusing to change their head cab (Tarboush) with the western (mafia) hat! What a criminal dictator this Kemal must have been!

and say your opinion freely about their political leaders!
But are you telling me that this is right, dwel?
I thought that the Turks dream of joining the EU! Shouldn't they act like one?

I don't think that Turkey will get into the EU. A recent poll revealed that the majority no longer wish to join the EU and in any case don't think they ever will. If they DO gain admission (and thats at least 10 years off) it could be a disaster in terms of cost. You only have to look at what happened to Greece in the way of inflation.
I think that a preferred trading partnership would suit Turkey very well. As I am not a Turk, obviously my views shouldn't be considered as they may vary from those of a Turk.
Regarding Ataturk. He is held in great esteem in Turkey for the following (but not all inclusive) reasons (taken from the BBC site but edited)

In May 1919, Atatürk began a nationalist revolution in Anatolia, organising resistance to the peace settlement imposed on Turkey by the victorious Allies. This was particularly focused on resisting Greek attempts to seize Smyrna and its hinterland. Victory over the Greeks enabled him to secure revision of the peace settlement in the Treaty of Lausanne.

In 1921, Atatürk established a provisional government in Ankara. The following year the Ottoman Sultanate was formally abolished and, in 1923, Turkey became a secular republic with Atatürk as its president. He established a single party regime that lasted almost without interruption until 1945.

He launched a programme of revolutionary social and political reform to modernise Turkey. These reforms included the emancipation of women, the abolition of all Islamic institutions and the introduction of Western legal codes, dress, calendar and alphabet, replacing the Arabic script with a Latin one. Abroad he pursued a policy of neutrality, establishing friendly relations with Turkey's neighbours.

In 1935, when surnames were introduced in Turkey, he was given the name Atatürk, meaning 'Father of the Turks'. He died on 10 November 1938.

if he would execute people who would not change their costume.
I believe that the ONLY reason that the whole world has their mouths shut about the violence of this dictator, is that he "westernised" Turkey.
If he had done the opposite, if he had turn Turkey into a religious country, if he had changed the country's texts from Latin, to Arabic alphabets, if he had forced the people not to wear western costumes...etc, the world would have attacked this dictator day & night. (take Iran for example)
The fact that people in Turkey are not allowed to express their opinions freely about this Ataturk, makes it an ugly system there.
This is why the only way to deal with such a stupid system is by cheating, exactly like the way that decent girl did, by wearing a wig on top of her hijab!