Who's online
There are currently 97 users and 1544 guests online.
Online users
- mariam-mar
- soul_asylum
- Azis Martin
- gmail272
- KHL
Recent comments
- Do not post / believe everything you read and see
0 sec ago - Nah just correcting his
27 sec ago - Might as well add India vs. Pakistan here, AbuAmerican
7 min 44 sec ago - We wish him the best.
11 min 36 sec ago - Hmmm, I like them all, but love a bit of lace...., not to
11 min 31 sec ago - Every time I have been to a
12 min 32 sec ago - Plato although I dont like
15 min 17 sec ago - serves him right.. should
20 min 44 sec ago - This very funny but u r
24 min 44 sec ago - Inshaallah we hope so..
28 min 56 sec ago
Why aren't people respecting Qatar?
I noticed many people do not respect local Qataries or they do not respect the country. They come here without having an idea about our culture and religion. All they think about is how much salary they will take.
We as a Qataries feel worried about the thousands of outlandish people and we try to be open with others but if they respect our culture and our land.
What do u think..?
dandy0510 said
... ...thats not true. who told you that?
i'm working here so i respect qatar.
team applei.ph < www.applei.ph >
For your iphone needs! :P
Muhammed12 said
designer ...There r ppl who dont respect ..I agree.
But dont u know there are also people who r not Qataris but love Qatar as much as u do?
Ramadan on its Way.......:)
donald_duc168 said
there are some ...there may be some but i know most of the people residing here specially those who brings their families certainly love Qatar...
Muhammed12 said
desinger ...We all LOVE QATAR. KULUNA QATAR :)
Ramadan on its Way.......:)
huyenqatar said
Hey Dezigner, Just Put ...Hey Dezigner, Just Put yourself in the situation that if you have to leave your country and your love ones behind for the sake of a job in order to keep your family alive, would you just blindly go without knowing at least one answer of the reasons for your sacrify? The best question is SALARY.
Dont you agree?
And if we do not respect your country and your culture, do you think that you can sleep in PEACE every nite?
dezigner said
some of foreign ppl not ...some of foreign ppl not respct country by do things against culture and religion like drinks outside, wearing bad clothes (short, naked). and so on
dezigner said
huyenqatar,,, Im not agree ...huyenqatar,,, Im not agree you the only important thing is salary, before i go to any country i have to read and know about ppl there,,, also its good if i try to make a friendship and relationship with locals,,,
but i noticed from some off ppl silly ideas, they look on the empty of cup and think they are all foolhardy !!
do u think foreign ppl come to qatar to be guards and police and that's why i can sleep in peace every nite, looool !! (i dont know what the relationship between the respect and sleeping at nite)
dezigner said
thanks for all who put ...thanks for all who put lovely messges, Qatar love who love her,, and we as a locals welcomed any body from anywhere.
huyenqatar said
Ah, OK...yeah, some ...Ah, OK...yeah, some ppl---just a minor number among us,dezigner.
As a qatari, what would you suggess?
dezigner said
this forum is one of chanel ...this forum is one of chanel for healthy discussion but i think also forigen have to learn arabic and be more share in the public society..
we all love money locals and foreign but in same time we have to have a way to help others without waiting $$$
dezigner said
if the western ppl proud ...if the western ppl proud that they are more civilization than qataries or other why we dont see any effect from them, they only come to have a $$$ and left !!
is that the only thing what we r looking in our life..
nadt said
Designer...I dont see why ...Designer...I dont see why peopleh ave to speak Arabic, TBH, i speak Arabic and English and i find it hard communicating in public in general, because most speak netiher...esp in shops etc, personally i think we should learn to speak tag a long...
Actually i find expatriates are very respectful of Qatari culture, you might get a few that arent but you wil also get a few from Qatari culture that arent respectful, its normal...
hashin said
give respect to take respect... ...Today morning I was made to wait for half an hour at one of the immigration outlet in the city while the gentlemen attended a phone call and then went out for a cigarette and then went to the restroom.... and what I went there for shouldn't take more than 5 minutes...
Meanwhile he let another chap jump the queue ahead of a lot of other expatriates who had tokens in hand because this particular gentleman was under the sponsorship of the Qatari at the counter...
And this is not a one off incident... I can recount several other incidents...
There are several Qataris who treat me extremely well too... but sadly the bad experiences far outweigh the good ones...
I travel on short business trips to Dubai every other month or so... On one of these trips I happened to meet a Emarati who warmed up to me so much that he offered to drop me off to the airport and he insisted on doing so... and that is really something considering the Dubai traffic... I rate that gesture higher than any positive experience that I've had with a Qatari in my thirty years here...
My Qatari landlord just threw a tantrum last week asking me to vacate his house because I struck five nails on the perimeter walls of my garden... and he did that while blocking my car as I was just about to set off to the airport for my holiday
My old landlord made me vacate my house of 16 years after I had spend a significant amount of money to renovate it... saying that he was going to tear it down... only to give it off to on rent to someone else...
Do you want me to go on?
hashin said
give respect to take respect... ...Today morning I was made to wait for half an hour at one of the immigration outlet in the city while the gentlemen attended a phone call and then went out for a cigarette and then went to the restroom.... and what I went there for shouldn't take more than 5 minutes...
Meanwhile he let another chap jump the queue ahead of a lot of other expatriates who had tokens in hand because this particular gentleman was under the sponsorship of the Qatari at the counter...
And this is not a one off incident... I can recount several other incidents...
There are several Qataris who treat me extremely well too... but sadly the bad experiences far outweigh the good ones...
I travel on short business trips to Dubai every other month or so... On one of these trips I happened to meet a Emarati who warmed up to me so much that he offered to drop me off to the airport and he insisted on doing so... and that is really something considering the Dubai traffic... I rate that gesture higher than any positive experience that I've had with a Qatari in my thirty years here...
My Qatari landlord just threw a tantrum last week asking me to vacate his house because I struck five nails on the perimeter walls of my garden... and he did that while blocking my car as I was just about to set off to the airport for my holiday
My old landlord made me vacate my house of 16 years after I had spend a significant amount of money to renovate it... saying that he was going to tear it down... only to give it off to on rent to someone else...
Do you want me to go on?
canadiangoldygirl said
love for qatar ...I love it here, and my friends and co-workers love it here too.
I do see ppl who are not respectful, but these are the people who never last long outside of their own country.
But, most of the people I come in contact with have a high respect and regard for Qatar and Qataris.
We wish we could get to know you better and be better friends.
What has made you post this comment?
Whatever it was, or whoever it was, just try to not let it get to you.
There are many, many people who really love qatar and the local qatari people, who are interested in the country and the culture, and are here for not only the money, but for the experience, and meeting new friends.
Hope that helps you.
It's the disrespectful people who easily grab your attention, but look closely- good people are here, and are many!!
ClimbHigh said
"Oh well" ...You see? this is the root of the problem. Just listen to the original posters mentality along with other similar posts. Pointing fingers etc. I think everyone needs to chill-out and stop thinking about other and casting judgment. People see a problem with wearing shorts here. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?! its freaking HOT here! You are too up-tight to wear shorts? Where do you learn its a taboo? are my legs too sexy for your wife to look at? Its wonderful to wear shorts! its not my damn problem of your mentality! or some guy wants to walk around with his other race of girl friend?! just mind your own business. its very simple. JUST RELAX LET GO. this after a few generations of all us die out, this country will be totally different in 100 years. so just try to enjoy your short life. getting offended or thinking about it does you no good. If you ask me. One of the most disrespectful things you can do in your OWN COUNTRY is LITTERING. Yet I see it happen all the time. At first I was shocked to see Qataris littering in their own country. But now its such a common site. Throwing trash out of their cars, or walking out of the store, taking the wrapper off then chucking it. I just say... "ah that's the way it is"... oh well... its Qatar, you gotta love it :-)
culguy said
I m extremely with hashin... ...Give respect to take respect....
genesis said
dezigner ...criticism doesn't really come out of respect. Don't we ALL rant about Corruption, caste, delay in infrastructure work,bad driving,road rage,etc.
Expatriates are the real contributors to the developing of our country & we must appreciate that in return.
Alcohol is permitted in Hotels & there is no dress code suggested by Authorities.
I could argue with you that Niqab is not part of our culture, although it's worn by alot of Qatari women
To gain respect, you must also understand & respect other's culture
Dracula said
dezigner,please come and ...dezigner,please come and meet my qatari friends!
Ivor Point said
Should I worry about coming to Qatar? ...Hypothetical From UK:
"I noticed many people here do not respect local Brits or even respect the country. They come here without having an idea about our culture and religion, and all that they think about is how much salary they will take.
We as a British people feel worried about the thousands of foreigners - we try to be open with others but if they respect our culture and our land, (e.g. Speak English, celebrate Xmas and wear our clothes)
what do u think .. ?"
.........................................................
I don't think I would ever say the above. I don't require immigrants to abandon their culture; I don't require them to speak English. I'm not worried about them making money. I don't need them to wear traditional clothes. There are laws which make it illegal to incite racial hatred. The first half of this comment would be illegal. Openness.
genesis said
hashin ...Problems with landlords are not limited to Qataris only.
You must understand that renting properties is only income to some of the local landlord. Greed & arrogance is not justifiable. However, You must understand that Qataris are also affected by the inflation.
punkrox2k2 said
I'm moving to Qatar next ...I'm moving to Qatar next week and I expect to always be conscious of the local people and customs. I am sorry you have experienced any kind of ignorance or disrespect from foreign expatriates but please understand that most do not mean to be either of those things. I am confident that most foreigners are happy to be in Qatar and are thankful that Qatar has been so open and accepting of other countries.
I can only hope that your opinions of foreign workers will change in time and that nobody else will give you reason to be wary or concerned about any kind of 'invasion' of your country.
timtan said
Get real dezigner ...If it was not for the expatriates,, how would this great county of yours move forward, who would build the roads, build the housing, supply the water and electricity, empty your rubbish, run most of all your shops, and food outlet, I think the world is give and take,, so take some bad with the good you have around you, do you want to go back to camels and tents??/ I think not,, give and take a little my friend,, we all do here.
You never know if you never go
AbuAmerican said
Hashin is correct. I like it ...Hashin is correct. I like it here in Qatar but I expect the good with the bad so when the bad happens I am not surprised or upset even though I still tend to get upset.
Almost every Qatari I have met have been nice people but.. A lot of them seem to have this "I am better than you" mentality and treat you accordingly. Be it in immigration, the bank, on the road you name it.
Also.. Try and leave this country as an expat. You can go to my country, get a job, quit leave and come back and do it again 100 times.. Its all good for you. Look at what I have to go through to leave the country or change jobs.
Check the housing scene, you guys go the UK and US and buy up properties and we can only buy over priced houses on artificial land... You can go to our countries and buy and own businesses and we need to have a 51% Qatari shareholder to open a business here.
Look at how low level workers who fuel your economy and current boom are treated. These guys are the heart of your boom and on the one day they have off they are banned in anyplace that has AC. When people see this what do you expect them to think about you lot?
These sort of things have an impact on how people view you as a people and a nation. Most of us over look it but others tend not to be so forgiving in their judgments.
Its not only about your side of the story. You want to be treated with kiddie gloves while kicking people in the groin repetitively.. come on man.
goodlookin said
All that money and no class ...The problem is..... Qatar is not great!!! Why do Qataris belive this is such a great country? Do you really belive were all here because of the faboulous lifestyle in Doha?
The Qatari attitude stinks...seriously!!! I have even seen little Qatari girls shout, order, hit and humilate there maids, it must be genetic. How many times have I heard, "this is my country, i go fist" or "I'm Qatari, this is my airline i don't pay excess".
There is 0% crime in Doha.....oh ok! The crime is covered up or not reported. I would not feel safe living in Doha if I was a woman.
There is nothing to do in this place, go shopping every weekend...ummm..well that's it.
Don't get me started on Ramadam! No I don't respect the culture...it just seems like i'm living in 19th Century England, Qatar Airways aircraft are actually time machines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In 20 years i guess Qatar might have caught up a bit and might be a good place to live, but now...i'd rather take the risk of being stabbed in London then live here.
vips_one said
Wooooooow man... This is ...Wooooooow man... This is generalization... Like in every country there are good and bad people, there are good and bad expatriates, and there are good and bad locals.
You see i reckon the problem is that in contrary to other gulf countries (I.E Oman) the number of expat outweigths the number of locals, so you dont actually have that much contact with the local culture apart from the Land-Cruiser coming flashing you on the highway which, assumably pisses of those who have a hard to adapt to local driving style for example...
goodlookin said
I agree vips_on. There are ...I agree vips_on. There are good and bad people in every country, every country and culture has there faults.
BUT...it just seems that Qataris belive Qatar is perfect and that I should feel so privallaged to live here....i don't.
Over the last year I have met a lot of good Qataris, but for every good one, i've met 20 who were rubbish.
vips_one said
A hardball ...Goodlookin still up at 6h11 am ?? :P :P lol!!
Let me explain the way i see it... you could definitely look at the bad experiences you have had with those 20 who were rubbish and just try to look at the good Qataris you have met...
I always tried to keep a positive attitude about Doha otherwise you become emo... for example i got really really sad when the police station refused me for my license even if it said they would give it to me two months before hand (age issues) so the dude lied to me... but then you just have to cross out those really depressing moments out and just think about the good stuff... Obviously its the best country in the world, but we are here so we should all stop complain because no one on this site was forced to come here... unless you are part of a 'family decision'...
MagicDragon said
I love Qatar, too. It's such ...I love Qatar, too. It's such a nice weather outside:
Homeless’ workers live out in the open
Publish Date: Friday,8 August, 2008, at 01:04 AM Doha Time
By Sarmad Qazi
Despite the oppressive weather these labourers find sleeping in the open a better option than living in the “hell” of labour camp accommodation
A GROUP of construction workers have been sleeping in the open for the past eight months – because it is better than living in the “hell” of labour camp accommodation.
Five men, four from North Africa and a south Asian, were seen bedding down for the night next to an under-construction 7-storey residential building at 11pm in the heart of Doha on Wednesday.
“It is an irony that we build these ‘residential apartments’ and don’t have a roof to sleep under,” said one visibly exhausted worker.
“My company did provide me with accommodation when I landed here in January, but the rooms were overcrowded – 12 in one room – and the food quality was horrendous. We simply decided to live out in the open rather than the hell my company calls accommodation. The decision is solely ours.”
According to the labourer, there are more than 200 Nepalese workers at the company-provided accommodation located in the Industrial Area, as well as the dozens of Muslims from his home country, Egypt.
“How are we supposed to live together with people who have religious and cultural habits, diametrically opposed to ours?” he asked.
“There is a remarkable difference in our bathroom habits, food tastes and living style, all of which we were forced to share.”
The labourers Gulf Times spoke to work on site from 5am to 1pm. Due to the lack of facilities, they use the local mosque to freshen up and dinner is “one chicken with a lot of gravy and bread” paid for by the five of them chipping in.
“We have also made a makeshift bathroom onsite, while our clothes and ‘bedding’ gets bundled up every morning and tucked into a brick-made storage space,” the worker explained.
Despite making the best of their environment, the labourers admit they often spend a torturous night struggling to get to sleep on old, worn mattresses and pillows – and in the midst of the summer humidity even breathing becomes an act of great difficulty.
The labourer added: “The winters are tolerable in the open, but now half the night is wasted scratching my skin due to heat rashes. For most of the time we just pretend to each other that we are sleeping and gaze at the stars.”
The Egyptian said he and his colleagues were not the only labourers these days to spurn camp accommodation for the open skies, and he claimed other workers were sleeping at under-construction sites in Muntazah, Mansoura and Najma.
“We like our Arab-speaking Qatari brothers. It’s the construction firms that maltreat us. Actually that’s an understatement. They treat us like animals. I’m just an employee, a number, to my company,” he said.
‘It is an irony that we build these residential apartments and don’t have a roof to sleep under. My company did provide me with accommodation when I landed here, but the rooms were overcrowded – 12 in one room – and the food quality was horrendous. We simply decided to live out in the open rather than the hell my company calls accommodation’
Renee said
I noticed many of ppl here ...I noticed many of ppl here are not respect local qataries or even they not respect the country,, they come here without have an idea about our culture and religion. and all what they think about is how much salary they will take.
We as a Qataries feel worried about the thousands of outlandish ppl and we try to pe open with others but if they respect our culture and our land.
what do u think .. ?
some of foreign ppl not respct country by do things against culture and religion like drinks outside, wearing bad clothes (short, naked). and so on
This is the part I don’t understand. You and so many get so offended by these things, which is fine as we all disprove of different things, but I never see posts by Qatari’s that are offended by the trafficking that occurs in Qatar and the appalling state of human rights. Instead of critising the people that make this country function why not thank them for all their hard work?
To be fair I’ve rarely seen ex-pats disrespect Qatar, and as someone said, how can you judge others respect for Qatar when you litter your own country and don’t even respect it yourself?
About being open with others, I’ve never been to a country like Qatar where I see quite the opposite – which is fine but don’t make out as if the locals are open and warm with everyone.
The other point I wanted to make is do you think that ALL Qatari’s respect other countries when visiting? I don’t think so and will give you a few examples.
1.Malaysia – Qatari’s walk into a pharmacy, interrupt the sale that was going on and insisted on being served. We are Qatari's they said. The shop assistant served the Qatari’s first and when I asked him why he did that, he said to keep peace, we are used to this sort of behaviour, that’s why we don’t like Gulf Arabs.
2. Sri Lanka – Taxis drivers everywhere told me stories about Qatari’s disrespecting their country and said they are very bad people - we don’t want them here.
3. Yemen – Driving from Sana'a to Aden, we came across very rude Qatari’s who treated the country like their own. Littering everywhere, driving at insane speeds.
4. Damascus – Driving around the beautiful area of Bab Touma in their 4x4’s speeding up the alleyways having no respect for the people or the significance of this beautiful place.
6. India – All I heard was, very, very bad people; only care about money and they treat us with disrespect.
In fact I have never heard a positive thing said about Qatari’s outside of Qatar...has anyone else?
The point is you get this EVERYWHERE you go with ALL different nationalities.
So you see you will always get people of different cultures disrespecting other countries – can you come up with the perfect society who have never had foreigners disrespecting another country? This thread is absurd.
I mean all the foreigners can go home and you can always build your own country....oh wait, that would mean having to actually work.
It goes both ways, treat people the way you want to be treated – I don’t see the labour workers getting treated with respect, do you? After all they do build your country, and very few of you – yes very few give a damn.
thexonic said
A wise guy once said "If u ...A wise guy once said "If u want to see the change in world, make a change in yourself first", the rules are made for everyone in the world who comes to this country, exept for the Qataris, they have the wasta.
--------
Norton Anti-virus cant keep draculas and T-viruses away, "G-lik" can ;), get yours today :D.
MR PAUL said
Blimey, i agree with Renee again...... ...You want respect, bloody well earn it !!
You mention about expatriates not respecting yer customs, come to Bahrain at the weekends, and see yer fellow countrymen racing around the (already crowded) roads. Watch them hang around malls, leering at women like they are pieces of meat.
See them in various bars and clubs, getting totally pi$$ed out of their tiny heads on alcohol, whilst visiting " Ladies" for pleasure, whilst at the same time, cursing the " West" for its so called immoral values.Cursing alcohol as the mother of all sins.
Maybe yer should take a look around at yer fellow Qataris, and yer will see life isnt as rosy as yer think it is !
NIL ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM
Renee said
And to this point ...if the western ppl proud that they are more civilization than qataries or other why we dont see any effect from them, they only come to have a $$$ and left !!
Westerner’s don’t claim to be more civilized, that’s not the issue. We are appalled and disgusted of the treatment of others and yes many of us try to help out as much as possible. We have westerners helping out at the labour camps, westerners running an animal shelter for all the poor and mistreated animals etc etc. Maybe if you left the mall now and then you might realize that yes westerners do try to help.
Please answer this next question honestly. What else would people come to live in Doha for if it wasn’t for money? Why does anyone anywhere move countries? It’s not like foreigners are living in Doha, doing no work and living off the locals. WE ALL work hard for that money – do you really suggest we all leave if we are only here for the money? Yes we leave in the end - it's a thing called family and a life back home that we want to go back to.
Why don’t you have a little more appreciation for the foreigners living in Qatar and think where you would be if it wasn’t for them.
genesis said
Native Qataris are the arab ...Native Qataris are the arab tribes, Africans & Persians. They inhibited Qatar for more than 150 years. Then came the althanis. Followed vary later by the Bedouins who migrated to Qatar in the last 15years & are accounted to more than 30% of now qatari population.
We are not all the same, don't really have the same mentality. In fact we don't even merry from each other
I agree with abuAmerican about some having the me better than you mentality...
This comes from being insecure...
When all they read about in newspapers, Qatar is achieving great financial returns from investments & having the highest GDP among other Arab Countries.Yet , some live on less than 10k
When writers like Nora Alsaad & others write in dailies , We should have more rights in Qatar Airways!, Foreigners must respect our culture!, Exit permit exist to protect Qataris interests!blaming road work & traffic for bad driving attitude!..I guess they would behave accordingly.
But do they really have the right.No they don't.
Powers to be are changing this country to the better.
However, no one is paying attention to the social impact it has on the locals. All of a sudden (in a decade to be exact). The population tripled, there is traffic everywhere, the women are demanding to drive & work and inflation that barely covers their bills & debts.
Did they ask for all that, no they did not
Brendan Hornsby said
Respect ...Respect comes from Mutual respect. I have been here only three weeks and I like Qatar. I respect the customs of the Qatari people and do not expect the Qatari people to respect me because I am in their country,but, if you want my respect as a person, you must show respect for me. I was invited here to manage a business, so the way I see it, I was needed here. This is the same for all expatriots,we are needed here to make this country grow. We do respect this country, but we are all here to make a living.
COOLDOHAMAN said
I LOVE QATAR......... ...I LOVE QATAR
I LOVE QATAR
I LOVE QATAR
I LOVE QATAR
I LOVE QATAR
I LOVE QATAR
I LOVE QATAR
I LOVE QATAR
I LOVE QATAR, THAT IS REAL LOVE!!!!!!!!!
BCOZ...!
MOST PEACEFUL, FRIENDLY PLACE.
AND QATAR IS GIVING ME EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!
Ashfaq said
where is ...where is Mr.Designer....never heard from him..?
Oryx said
Qatar ...Abu Mr P Genesis
Well said.
I really like Qatar and I am very grateful for my job and my life here
Gentlemen... you have all made valid points....
respect is a two way street...
artistic said
Working ...My husband and I are here to do the work that Qataris SHOULD be doing- that's what I feel. I understand that Qataries can't do everthing but the jobs they are in they should be doing properly - MOST of the them don't seem to do much at work ( of course you have the exception)
I like the environment and the religious side of it which is really the reason why my family is here. The money was secondary since I had a business and my husband had a good job back in the UK. Qatar wants us here to work and build Qatar - unlike some people we have to work to get PAID !
Qataries are muslims but they don't practice their religion with regards to equality and rights that others have whatever their nationality or job (this include labourers and Indians). Even amongst themselves they have a kind of CASTE system where if you belong to a different family you are better - very similar to the HINDU CASTE system. This is all unIslamic. We are all human and made of the same stuff whatever our colour and nationality - the only thing that differentiates is our beliefs.
I pray Qatar becomes a good society respecting others and respecting themselves by not importing cultures from the West or the East but having their own identity which currently they seem to be losing.
dezigner said
Im here :) .. i will reply ...Im here :) .. i will reply on ur comments guys but give time to breath, its difficult for me to understand and write in english since my educated english only within Qatary skools :$..
thanks nadt as u said "Actually i find expatriates are very respectful of Qatari culture, you might get a few that arent but you wil also get a few from Qatari culture that arent respectful"
and that all what we are looking for, also we have responsibility as a Qataries we have to printout and distribute our culture regulations and suggestion to all kind of expatriates, through the media, internet, newspaper, Tv, brochures and anywhere, and this step honestly not started yet..
Platao36 said
" dezigner said some of ..."
dezigner said some of foreign ppl not ...
some of foreign ppl not respct country by do things against culture and religion like drinks outside, wearing bad clothes (short, naked). and so on "
Dezigner: From which hole did you come out?
If only 15% of the population is Qatari, are you sure that the police can keep you safe, if foreigners were that bad?
I don't live in Qatar so all i can speack about is Morrocco, i enjoyed the country respected the costumes except the part of kissing my girl in the lips, at Rabat zoo, only fealt kinda shocked when they told me that if i don't convert to marry her, she's considered single, this is just an example how religion and politics should be apart, at Portugal, if you marry on civil registration, you are married everywhere without depending from your/our religion.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Platao36 said
Dezigner: Qataris will ...Dezigner: Qataris will follow the rest of the world on the costumes soon because this is a globalized world and the internet is making us all to live nearer each others, so we all need to find a middle term on cultural/religous matters.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Run said
"Men are respectable only as they respect” ...Its a matter of respecting other people no matter what his race,religion,culture,work etc....very simple..if u want to be respected also.
Sara Haj Omar said
This is happening not only ...This is happening not only in Qatar but in other places that brings in people on work basis, their main focus would be earning and saving plus there is no facilities for Orientation. The Pre departure orientation of workers from their country of origin includes Culture and Tradition of the country. Their circumstances will not allow them to integrate socially with the locals.
It is not the same for people who goes to another country on Immigration or relocation wherein their mind is set that the new country will be their home permanently. Tourist who goes to a country would try and absorb as much of the culture and meet the locals.
I am sure that one way or another, people will have a respect for QATAR and the QATARIS simply as it is giving them their daily bread and there are a lot of people we know that think of Qatar as their home.
dezigner said
to hashin ...mr hashin i think the cases which you talked about can be to anyone, non qataries or qataries, its depend on the person morals,,, do u think as u said all immigration staff are acting the same?
i feel sad about ppl who said "let ppl respect us after that we will respect others" bcoz someone who doent had the respectives inside him cant have it, even ppl respect him or not... im talking about respect the culture of country im not talking about the person or guy who not respect others,,,
for sure who not respect me, i will not respect him.. but for sure i have to respect his family his country his relegion, his culture,, even if i am from other world.
who said globalization and nothing mean culture.. i can say thats american joke,, and its very funny "normal ppl can not believe it"
dezigner said
happy to see your nice ...happy to see your nice comment canadiangoldygirl and im totally agree with you,,
i wish u spend the happiest time in Qatar, with all ur family and friends :)
dezigner said
ClimbHigh,,, ...ClimbHigh,,,
only what u are looking in this life is HOW TO ENJOY IT,,, but as i said you have to respect others,,, i believe in god, in morals, in many many things maybe u r not agree with me about it, but in last you have to respect that...
u can stay at ur home and wear whatever u want, do whatever u like,,
u said u r saw qataries who r not civilization and through trash from cars (that what i understand) we all admit ppl here are learning and that what i talk about it,, u r American and you can bring ur civilization here...
but sorry to say that all what we learned from americans is Macdonald, and KFC. thats bcoz u r not free to sharing the poor society. u didnt think how you can make change in positive way in this point of land (Qatar). bcoz u think life is only (short).
Karin said
. ...honestly when i saw Qatar team at the Olympic opening ceremony i cheered for them...instinctly thats more than respect i think.
but for sure any individual who will not respect me and my country neither will i respect him/her.
blackcat said
i think it should be ...i think it should be mutual,no??
if host does not respect whoever HE HAS INVITED in, how this whoever can respct the host? based on what?
Qatar wants us to come here; to work, having minimum rights (or none of them!) at the same time; and to leave the country. Qatar is BUYING us as slaves, no matter what countries we are from. So, that’s what we do. We state our PRICE, come to get this price paid and leave the country.
Which respect, feelings, sensitivity are you talking about? This is sell-buy market. Qatar set up these rules. expatriates are acting accordingly.
Platao36 said
"who said globalization and ..."who said globalization and nothing mean culture.. i can say thats american joke,, and its very funny "normal ppl can not believe it" "
I'm the one that spoke about globalization, if you mean that "globalization" doesn't exist, than i advise you to ask anyone with more culture than you about it.
Being considered as an equal on a foreign country is part of the respect. Forcing someone to convert to be allowed to marry one of their citizans can't be considered respect, it's called descrimination.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
annc said
right on- ...excellent points- couldn't agree more
qatarisun said
Platao.. ..."Forcing someone to convert to be allowed to marry one of their citizans" DOES NOT call descrimination......
check in the dictionary what does descrimination mean...
Jayanaane said
Love Qatar :) ...I love Qatar for the following beautiful reasons
Security - One of the few places in the world where you can leave your car, ignition on, parked in front of a supermarket, go and shop come back and still find it there....This was few years ago, hope it still works. Never tried it out :)
Good Roads - Much better than roads in our country. Only I should be able to drive through the traffic in my 4X4
Petrol price - We pay roughly 8 times for a litre in our country. Hope we could store some at home but the security wouldn't alow it :)
Loans - We get them so easily and with so less paperwork. Though I still dont think about taking one. :)
People - There are so many nationalities here I think you dont need to watch Olympics opening ceremony, just go to Lulu or City Centre on fridays :)
Saving money - I think even if I had 100,000 Riyals I could spend everything in one day :) but saving money is difficult provided you do the following....
Dont loan your money, Dont take a loan :)
High Living status - We can take an apartment in any posche residency suites(for a loan) and enjoy 99 years RP free :) if you can live that long and someone invents the longevity gene therapy :) , was it already invented? who knows. Lemme wiki
Respect & Recognition - People truly cherish if you are from Qatar. Especially people from my country India if you tell them about Qatar they immediatly say, yes the country which hosted the last Asian games. But they also say, I tried to find a job there but when I checked out from QatarLiving about the prospects, had to back off because of the huge cost of living :(
The plus point is.....there are 400,000 of us here so God bless us and hope we live in harmony and help build Qatar. By the way I am a resident here from the last 25 years and still having a good time paying my loan :)
worldexplorer said
I totally agree ...http://www.worldvisi...
I agree that many westerners don't respect the Muslim culture and expect the country to bend to them when they come. How many western women have you seen walking around with their hoochie mama micro mini skirts or skin tight pants and stilletos, completely disregarding that the women around them are covered....a pretty obvious hint you'd think. Westerners know better so shame on them for that. BUT, I have also seen some western women actually wearing abayas and really making an effort to respect Qatar. I really respect those women alot. There is in fact a dress code, but it is not enforced.
qatarisun said
i have never seen ...I agree with blackcat.. it should be MUTUAL!
you respect me, i respect you, and otherwise...
Alexa said
blackcat, I am 100% with ...blackcat, I am 100% with you.
Worldexplorer, I have lived here almost 4 years now, and in all that time I have not seen Western women in micro minis etc. I have to admit though, I do not go to clubs much....I have seen Arab women in rather questionnable outfits though..and that was in broad daylight .
I suppose they would know what the Qatari culture demands, would they not?
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
hashin said
dezigner ...justifying wrongs by saying that this is how things happen in other places as well is just poor logic...
give respect to take respect is a very popular expression in english... not something that I made up...
Trying to turn that around by a silly argument such as who should respect whom first is childish and very typical...
My point is simple, many people here need to learn respect human beings irrespective of their nationality, origin, race etc...
hashin said
to take it one step further... ...you say that you are concerned with 'outlandish people'
I suggest you go to the corniche... and look at all those concrete skyscrapers... I am sure you feel mighty proud of your country when you look at them...
Now while looking at them... I'd like you to ask yourself one question... how many bricks would have been laid by a Qatari in all those buildings put together?
There is a typical attitude that all Qatari's have, that they are doing expatriates a favour by letting them have work in Qatar...
You need to realize that you need these expatriates here or your country would come to a grinding halt
Expatriates in a lot many other countries get treated much better than here in Qatar...
Like I said earlier, I've lived in Qatar for 30 years. Had I been in almost any other country I would have been offered the local nationality. I can vote, stand for elections, own property freely, social service etc. etc. etc...
But here in Qatar... I am at the mercy of a 'sponsor'
genesis said
hashin ...Have your read my post!
Ordinary Qataris don't care about skyscrapers. They haven't build it nor do they own it.
A decade ago it wasn't there...
All those building, housing complexes, malls are owned by the same people (the big 5)
You lived here for 30 years, did you pay taxes, road tolls, parking fees,actual electricity/water bills, etc?
With all due respect,Qatar owes you nothing except your salary...
hashin said
genesis... ...If Qatar owes me nothing except my salary, then I don't owe respect to Qatar which is what this whole thread is about isn't it...
If Qatar owes me nothing except my salary, then all I owe Qatar is the work that I do... nothing else...
genesis said
I agree with you on that and ...I agree with you on that and that's what i wrote in my first post.
Have you read any government decree or officials announcement demanding respect from expatriates?
None, that I've heard off.
hashin said
Bingo for you maybe ...Definitely not for me... that was hypothetical... if you think you got me to admit that Qatar owes me nothing except a salary... you are WRONG
Besides my salary is not paid by Qatar, its paid by an American multinational company
genesis said
The American Multinational ...The American Multinational company is payed somehow by The Qatari Government...otherwise they wouldn't be here in the first place
Stratty said
People are really edgy about ...People are really edgy about respect, here. In UK everyone makes fun out of each other, and so you get used to it, and so you don't worry about it. And I think the Americans (and I'm here to be corrected) would say its up to you to work on yourself to become strong, so that you control your emotions, and you don't let others bother you.
AbuAmerican said
genesis I see your point and ...genesis I see your point and I see Hashins too but at the moment it looks like you are taking the route of "we pay you lot so bend over and take it raw dawg and like it biyatch" and it seems a bit insulting..
If its like you say it is then fire us all and start doing it yourselves if not pay some respect to the people who will do the work your people are too proud or lazy or too inexperienced to do themselves.
Your argument is really condescending and in the big picture you guys don't have much of a step stool to look down on people from.
Now after reading loads of your posts in the past in different topics I'm sure you intend something else but its not coming out like that and it looks like you are falling back on this "We are better than you because we pay you and this is our country" mentality... This seems uncharacteristic of your previous posts so I could be wrong... but all in all you seem to have lost your argument are falling back on national pride as a basis to dispute with others..
Soon insults will start to fly.
genesis said
AbuAmerican ...National pride!
have your read my posts!
did i mention anything like, if you don't like it than leave?
If a Qatari asked me, i'll answer the same. Since we don't pay taxes, electricity/water bills, parking fees,etc
Qatar Owe us nothing.
AbuAmerican said
Nice, I pay electrical bills ...Nice, I pay electrical bills and water..
I am owed the respect and dignity every human deserves. Beyond that the rights of one Muslim upon another.
If not in this life I will get it in the next and then the situation of those who denied it to others will REALLY be screwed up. You keep believing that statement gen.
genesis said
AbuAmerican ...I made my comment based on hashin's comment of not getting the local nationality. It has nothing to do with respect. I think my perspective in that is vary clear in my earlier posts.
AbuAmerican said
Well like I said, you seem ...Well like I said, you seem like a level headed person so what I am reading I could be misinterpreting.
Ashfaq said
hello!! ...Taking about culture and knowing Qatari people are having friends with Qatari seems out of question.
Having said that i want to ask e.one one question..Beign expat how many people from Qatarliving have been invited to a Qatari residence for lunch/dinner or some kind of party or wedding party or so on..?
In our countries when there are people coming from outside if they want to friends they invite people home thats the begning of a good relation I think ...with respect to all.
Oryx said
Ashfaq ...Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Been to several houses and over 20 weddings....
and stuffed my face stupid with many many chocolates and other tasty delights...
been invited falcon flying
been invited to engagements
been invited to baby shower
been invited to camel farms
been invited by Qatari family to wedding in Bahrain even.
I am not muslim and not arab....OK?
Qatari hospitality is tip top!
ruphil said
Qatar is our secong home... ...Qatar is our secong home... so we respect Qatar as we respect love our own country.. the local here are great same with our elders they are the foundation of this country. The cultures and religion are same only, provided that they care also with our diferent belief..We love Qatar and our productive days are only spent here!!!
AbuAmerican said
I haven't been to as many ...I haven't been to as many places as Oryx but I am fast catching up.
Have had several invites to houses, desert BBQ's, weddings, and loads of other stuff.
I will say it again, these are nice people but something is amiss here and there. NO ONE is perfect.
All in all no one should interpret anything I say as a dislike for Qatar. I really like it here.
nasqatar said
I Love Qatar....But Not its Laws... ...I love Qatar as a country and its culture too. I agree with the Dezigner and Genesis that the expatriate should respect Qatar's culture. We, as the guests should respect it. if you go to any other country as a guest or for earning, we should respect that country's culture and law. But, some laws, especially the SPONSORSHIP LAW, which restrict an employees movements is really inhuman, un islamic. If that law is not here in Qatar, at least if there is any changes in the law for the free movement of the employees, even after 2 year or even 5 years in a company...personally i'm happy...and i know majority of the middle class and low class employees, labours will be happy, as we came here to earn money. The sponsorship law, and 2 years re-entry ban are the main inhuman laws, which i seen as a big obstacle to SINCERE LOVE FOR QATAR. The other things is NON-IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LAW. In many cases, especially in the labour law, the department is very softer to employers. We are reading many pathetic stories about the poor labours accommodation, non-payment of salaries for many months etc. The dept is very soft even when they found illegal things done by the employers. There is no SUCH BIG PENALTIES LIKE IN TRAFFIC VIOLATION in the labour department. Even though many of our company's emplyees complained in the Labour Dept about our company's many of the 'illegal rules' in last 4-5 years, non of the staff didn't come to our company to check it so far and or they didn't fine anything to our company. So, they continue the same 'illegal rules of the company'....If anyone complained, only that guy gets the benefit....
And the attitude of the employees by QATARI employers are far different from EUROPE/AMERICAN EMPLOYERS. If you ask any person, 'where do u wish to work with, a Qatari company or European/American Company', 90% peoples' answer will be EUROPEAN/AMERICAN COMPANY. its not only the salary or payments, their attitude to the empoyees too..
I'm a Muslim and i love the Qatar's attitude to the religeous acitivities. But, on many cases, I find it hard to believe the Qatar is following an Islamic culture, especially when they treat the poor labours....
Gypsy said
Is anyone else getting sick ...Is anyone else getting sick of these "Ex-pats don't respect Qatari's, Qatari's don't resepct ex-pats." Excuse me folks while I get out the worlds smallest violin to play for you.
Seriously, Yes there are expatriates who don't respect Qatari laws, but really the vast majority do, if they didn't then ALL you would see at the malls is strappy tank tops and mini skirts, rather than the odd girl (in fact I've only seen someone dressed inappropriately once).
And yes some Qatari's are complete and utter dickheads. Is anyone saying there country doesn't have dickheads? And unfortunately dickheads are much easier to spot then non-dickheads.
At the end of the day folks, with the exception of the weather and some rather odd rules, here really isn't that much different from your home.
Visit www.qatarhappening.com
Arien said
Qatar has everything that it ...Qatar has everything that it requires and its on a road to prosperity,, blessed with massive resources . What makes a country is not just wealth but its people and culture..
Qataris are nice and not harmful.. I wouldnt say friendly because i would be generalising.. most of them are not.
An indian, phil, westrn.. though you know eachother or not.. always shows the courtsey to smile..say hi.. or a small gesture of greeting when you happens gets an eye contact.. How about a Qatari???..
The first lesson for them to learn is .. this I guess. Learn to smile, and greet people when you see them...
Dont look at them as if they are just intruders / guests/ expatriates/ came to beg.. Na they are here to earn, they are here because either they are qualified than you, or they are prepared to do some work wht you are not or cannot.. which helps you and the country survive and build.
Respect it.. and am sure you will be respected more....
genesis said
nasqatar ...I never mentioned that expatriate should respect Qatar's culture!In fact,i'm strongly against Niqab. And find dress codes controversy as ridicules (as i've expressed in previous posts). I agree with you about the unjustness of Qatar sponsor law.However, it's only less than 10% of qatari populations are benefiting from it. there is strong resistance from some of consultative council (Ashura) members against any amendments or abolishing of the law as they claim it's for the interest of Qataris.Change will definitely come soon. However, you must know that's will come with a price tag (fines, fees & restriction on facilities)
nasqatar said
Expect the Changes.... ...I hope there will be changes in the laws. I have been waiting for the 5 years