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Non-Halal meat in local restrnts & Carrefour
Dear All,
Having recently moved to Qatar from the US my wife and I were quite excited to at many levels to be in a Muslim country. As most Muslim expatriates would relate, the fact that we were able to eat burgers, chicken, meat in general without having to question the "Halalness" of it was great.
The doubts started to arise when we went to some of the American restaurants like Bennigans and Fuddruckers.
There in quite large print we saw some banners proudly displaying "100% USDA Beef". That sent some alarm bells ringing!! Most Muslims in America would not consider USDA certified meat to be Halal. (I do not want to get into the issues related to eating meat of the People of the Book...a whole different chapter)
At both restaurants we spoke to the managers and asked them where the meat is from. Bennigans indicated it usually came from the US but sometimes from Dubai but was adamant it was Halal. We asked to see the box for the Halal stamps. They were only able to show us for the Chicken which came from Dubai which did have the Halal stamp. We stuck to the chicken that day.
Recently at Fuddruckers, the same issues arose. THe manager was actually really nice and took us back in the freezer area to avert any fears we had. When we got to the meat boxes, the only think stamped on there was 100% USDA. NO HALAL STAMPS!!!
Having lived in the US for some time I can guarantee you the US does not have a large Halal meat export industry and if they did (some products in US supermarkets are certified Halal), then they are very proud to display the Halal stamps.
Lastly, Carrefour...if you wander the isles of frozen/packaged meat section at Carrefour, you will again find packaged meat straight from the US. Brands like "Sara Lee" and "Butterball" are common brands in US Supermarkets and again are NOT HALAL.
My question is under whose authority is this meat coming into the country. Why are they misleading Muslims into thinking ALL the meat here is Halal.
The core Islamic scholarship in Qatar I understand follows the opinion that it's OK to eat the meat in the West (from articles I have seen in the Gulf Times and Yusuf Al Qaradawi's writings) however how can they IMPOSE that opinion on the rest of the Muslim community when there is clear Ikhtilaaf (difference of opinion) on this issue.
It would be easy for them to demand that these restaurants use meat from a Muslim source (be it from Australia as they do have a Halal meat export industry) or Egypt etc. Why carry brands like Sara Lee when there are alternatives available. e.g. if you were to go to Mcdonalds in Pakistan, right there on the checkout counter is the certificate indicating the meat there is Halal and where it is coming from.
The average Muslim living here does not question or even think about the possibility of the meat not being Halal so shame on the authorities for allowing that to happen.
Thanks for letting me vent. I miss my Fuddruckers burgers!
Farhan
AbuAmerican said
Its odd that you say (I do ...Its odd that you say
(I do not want to get into the issues related to eating meat of the People of the Book...a whole different chapter)
When it is blatantly clear that this countries powers that be hold this opinion. Are they to drop that because you disagree? If you read into the matter it is clear that the permissibility is unrestricted and only a few scholars don't accept it as halal.
We have asked many a Saudi and Kuwaiti scholar about this issue when we were in Germany and not a single one said the meat of the Christians and Jews is impermissible, the allowance is unrestricted.
To try and remove the core of the discussion is crazy, its to say "your opinion is irrelevant" and you are wrong...
Allah and his Messenger did not make this a religion of hardships and even though I am Salafi.. considered to be "extremist" by some troglodyte types... even I eat beef without asking who and where when I am in the west..
Why is it that the Muslims in the west are the most adamant in make Islam difficult upon themselves and others? Its not piety nor is it righteousness its just a hardship.
princess habibah said
Abu American Eating the ...Abu American
Eating the meat of people of the book is when we are in their countries or invited to their house.
To live in a muslim country it is our obligation to buy and have halal beef availble to us. And we would have no excuse eating it as their is plenty of meat around. If we were invited to a christian or jewish home in Doha then that would be different. But not to purchase it ourselves.
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
nadt said
Yep PH, i agree with ...Yep PH, i agree with you...
Fatiq, thanks for mentioning it, we go to these places every now and then...will stick to the chicken too..
AbuAmerican said
daleel? If that were true ...daleel? If that were true then Muhammad sallahu alahi wa sallam wouldn't have made an unrestricted ruling.. There were Christians and Jews in his time... He didn't alter the ruling if he did the onus of proof is upon you.
Seeing how Shk Obeyd, Shk Falah Ismaeel, shk Ahmed Bazmool, Shk Uthaymeen hold its permissible in a unrestricted fashion I find it... foolish of me to follow your opinion over theirs.
Alexa said
Hmm, best to stay away from ...Hmm, best to stay away from Fuddruckers etc......fatig, if this is a concern of yours.
Simple, hey?
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
nadt said
No thanks Alexa, i like ...No thanks Alexa, i like dining there while my kids play, can just eat the chicken, its no big deal ;-)
Alexa said
Sure nadt, I hear you ! But ...Sure nadt, I hear you !
But you are not the one complaining or questioning....
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
SheDBabe said
I totaly agree with Abu american Here.. ...The scholars have given clear Fatwas on this matter so who are We to dispute..Unless of course you have a contrasting fatwa.. If so please state it here..remember the Quran is for always & so is the sunna..Though of course certain matters are made In Ijmaa of the scholars again based on the sunna..And as Bro Abu Am. has stated The Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him, Didn't make it a restricted ruling with conditions, Allah'aalam..But if anyone does have a contrasting verdict of a Scholar or a Hadhit & Not on personal opinions then please state it..If anyone is in doubt the best thing to do is to contact the 'Ulamaa & get a clear verdict..This is the best way to deal with such issues!
nadt said
True Alexa, when in doubt, ...True Alexa, when in doubt, avoid it..
Supernurse said
Eerr whats the problem here? ...Eerr whats the problem here? the meats not halal?
abc150 said
Abu American, I do not understand ...If in your opinion (or in the opinion of fatwa givers), there is no requirement of zabeeh of the animal, then why go into this issue of halal at all? What is the problem in having an electricution centre in Doha which will kill animals by electricution or to have their heads chopped off suddenly like is done in west instead of cutting only the blood vessels as is done in zabeeh? As per your statement, I understand that all meats except those forbidden, like pig etc. (irrespective of the way they are cut) are permissable in Islam. Please correct me if I understood it wrongly.
AbuAmerican said
To over simplify what I ...To over simplify what I wrote... yes. If you want to get the details then no.
But to go into a store and say this is halal or haram based upon something other than daleel is to make something.... haram or halal and that is for Allah and his messenger only. One cannot simply dismiss Ayaat and hadeeth about eating the meat of ahlul kitaab for what ever reason. You think Allah didn't know what was going to happen in this day and age when the religion was revealed and left us in confusion? Uh no because the matter is clear to anyone who researches it.
Read the statement of Uthaymeen, if you don't know how the animal is slaughtered there is NO OBLIGATION for you to ask how it was slaughtered. He actually says you don't ask. He isn't the only scholar.. the majority hold this opinion and the minority the opposing opinion.
You can follow which ever you like but to claim one is wrong or to try and negate it... why take that responsibility before Allah?? We got fatwas being made in this thread!
Strange stuff
Fatcat said
Please educate me. After ...Please educate me. After reading the above posts, is it correct for me to say that if I invite someone over back home and this person is muslim, I do not have to cook halal meat and can stick to regular supermarket bought beef?
thexonic said
All the Meat, beef and chicken in Qatar are Halal!!! ...Let me clear this doubt, first of all the Awqaf wont approve if the such meat is coming in the country, secondly if some place sells it, it will close down, third of all if by any chance haram meat comes in this country in local market and you eat it, the sin will be on the govt. cuz we believe in the govt. to do the right thing in importing the right product as Qatar being an Islamic country, the govt. is suppose to follow the Islamic way. Which I am sure Qatari Govt. is doing a good job at. There is only one place where they get the haram meat which is the US Army base.
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tallg said
Glad someone finally ...Glad someone finally answering the original question! I agree with the thexonic.
thexonic said
Tallg thanks :) -------- a ...Tallg thanks :)
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princess habibah said
I think that sometimes we as ...I think that sometimes we as muslims can worship our scholars as well and leave common sense behind at times.
The daleel you talk about is opinion based upon what? The prophet clearly restricted eating meat that was not killed with zabiha and so did Allah subhana wa ta'ala in the Quran.
Also lets look at the picture that the Prophet did not allow muslims to buy the meat of non muslims anywhere in hadith or Quran! Unless they had no access to islamic meat or were invited to a person of the book house. He did not make this statement without restriction he made it within a clear understanding of a certain situation!
their is a great hadeeth that says in the end of time the people who will be thought of as scholars will only be da'ees (callers to Islam). Has that time come so soon?
As for daleel you have only stated their opinion yet I have read nothing concisely written to support the claims of these scholars. A great problem amongst scholars of today who write fatwas without providing all the evidence needed to support their opinion and explanation about how they came to that conclusion. If they tell you to jump off a bridge will you do that too?
If you have some well written daleel then please pass it on! Otherwise the restriction has already been made in my eyes until I get some clear, concise islamic proof to support their claim!
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
nice too nice said
If you have the system to ...If you have the system to identify whether the meat is halal or haram and you have the option of having meat clearly says its halal then you have the responsiblity to select the one which clearly marked as halal and reject the one in doubt. In this case you cannot say that the government is responsible for your action.
fatiq said
Well we got into what I didnt want to! ...Bro Abu American,
From the outset I recognized and accept your opinion is a legitimate Islamic opinion and agree there are scholars who say it's ok. Unfortunately you seem to have a problem with accepting that there are many many scholars who disagree with you. This is not the forum to discuss the evidences for and against. These are issues that have been debated for many a time and let's just agree that these differences will be there.
Bro, you're missing the whole point of the discussion:
1. We live in a Muslim country. We should be better than to be selling Butterball Turkey in our supermarkets!! Especially when we are in a position to demand differently and there are many choices.
If people are comfortable buying American supermarket meat in Qatar, Alhumdullillah.
2. You are imposing your opinion on the rest of the Muslims without adequately informing them. At least tell the people who are blindly assuming everything to be Halaal/Dhabeehah per Muslim standards cause this is a Muslim country.
e.g. There is a difference of opinion on the issue of photographs. Some scholars say its ok to take them and some say no. I can't make you participate in the annual company photo shoot if I think it's ok and you don't. (I know it's not a one to one example but couldn't think of anything else!)
3. Some other folks were making my statement into a Fatwa that all the chicken is Halal at these places..I'm not saying that...please do your own checking. That was just one time that we had asked. Sometimes it may come from the US, sometimes S.Africa.
Thexonic...that's what I was hoping was the case (That the Qatar government is doing all their checking) but when that big 100% USDA beef sign was staring me in my face, I couldn't ignore it. The whole point is that in their opinion it is Halaal.
Salams All
tallg said
USDA Export Requirements for ...USDA Export Requirements for Qatar;
http://www.fsis.usda...
Packaging should have "A statement that the product has been slaughtered according to Islamic principles is required."
A Certificate of Islamic (Halal) Slaughter should be included in the documentation accompanying the exported meat.
I would imagine it's entirely possible that the packaging and certificate could have been removed during the import process, before the meat arrives at the restaurant itself.
SheDBabe said
Thank you Tallg! ...If anyone has further doubts its better to go inquire from the authorities concerned rather than spreading your doubts..
fatiq said
Thanks Tallg..BUT ...Firstly, the intention in a forum like this is to seek the opinion of others and share one's own. Nobody is trying to misguide people here!
Tallg...that's a great link you sent so JazakAllahu Khairan for doing that.
I guess the thing to check on would be
"This certificate must accompany products labeled "Halal""
So products that have a Halal label should have the certificate, but ones which are not labeled Halal e.g. Sara Lee sandwich meat or Butterball Turkey, those don't need a Halal certificate??
Btw, Insh'Allah my wife is planning to lead the charge to get to the bottom of this with the authorities after the summer break. Bit hard for me to do it from work. If anybody has any leads or contacts there please do pass them our way. Do we just walk into the ministry of Awqaf!!?
P.S. I do eat Kosher Hotdogs in the US!
tallg said
Yes, but I doubt if the ...Yes, but I doubt if the restaurants have the certificates. They'd be taken at the point of import I imagine.
AbuAmerican said
PH do you even know who the ...PH do you even know who the scholars I mentioned are? What do you think they based their opinions on?? Forbes guide to good cooking?
Of course its based on the book and the sunnah.. Are you confused or do you just like to see your words on the screen? Wallah your replies are long and never say much of anything. WALLAH WALLAH WALLAH I wish you wouldn't talk to me woman you are confused. You come on here and in some threads make clear statements of kufur, talk about your past boyfriends libido then become an expert on affairs that scholars differ upon.. Who the heck are you and when are you who?? Who am I talking to now?? The person who thinks the likes of Uthaymeen speaks about Islam based upon conjecture? or Sheikha PH the one who can claim haram & halal and vice versa after Allah & Muhammed??
Its a simple task to go to jareer and buy fatwa islameeyah and look up the ruling with the proofs. If you would like me to type it out for you then I can take an hour or so and type out the MULTIPLE rulings from multitudes of scholars WHO STUDIED ISLAM and made that study their life and their opinions with the proofs going back to the salaf who learned directly from the messenger. Heck make it easy on yourself and do a simply search online... you cant be that helpless can you? Uthaymeen meat of the Christians or whatever. PLEASE I'm serious woman leave me be, I will avoid threads you are in if you do the same... can we make a deal??
fatiq I am not imposing my opinion on anyone but to simply try and negate opinions of scholars on the meat of ahlul kitaab is kinda doing what you are accusing me of isn't it?
The fatwa bit wasn't aimed at you PH is on here making halal & haram statements which is pretty bold seeing how she inst a prophet or messenger.
Fatcat, from the opinion of the scholars I follow yes.. They present several prophetic statements and ayyat to support their claim and it is the opinion held by the majority of the scholars both past and present. To post the volumes of info on this subject in this thread as some would suggest verges on insanity and it shows they haven't really even looked into the matter as they claim or they wouldn't make odd requests in that direction.
Others hold it isn't permissible and that is an ok opinion to hold and no one here is denying that. It is better ask the guest before they show up so you know what the deal is and where they stand.
Fatcat said
Will someone be so kind and ...Will someone be so kind and answer my question, please? :)
Thanks.
KellysHeroes said
We have also Halal fish ...Wonder what does Halal fish means. It seems they are having the "Halal" sticker everywhere
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KellysHeroes said
fatcat ...usually all meat sold here is Halal. You do not have to worry about this issue. Am I invited too? :D
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nadt said
yeah KH, next will be halal ...yeah KH, next will be halal stickers on vegetables :P
Fatcat said
No, I want to know if when ...No, I want to know if when I'm back home (in SA) and invite someone over, do I have to worry about buying halal meat? From what I read in the previous posts regarding the people from the book I gather I can cook regular beef and they should still eat it. But maybe I misinterpreted it.
fatiq said
You should ask your friends Fatcat ...If your friends are particular about their meat, then more than likely they would want you to cook Halal meat for them. However, as Abu American stated there are some who themselves buy meat from the local supermarket so in that case it doesn't matter. Best is to ask them, don't assume.
Btw, its really awesome of you to do that for them!
KellysHeroes said
good morning nadt ...If am not mistaken. I saw once "Halal" rice.
But the Halal fish is there for sure. Check the frozen sea food
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SheDBabe said
LOL Nadt & KH! ...Don't forget the Eggs & Fruits:-)
KellysHeroes said
Fatcat ...OK. Got it now. Actually you do not have to worry about the Halal issue. Just make sure you do not have pork or alcohols used.
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Fatcat said
Don't get me wrong, it's not ...Don't get me wrong, it's not like I cook much anyway (I'm a lousy cook, lol). But I was intrigued to read the post that if you are in someone else's home you should eat and not ask if it's halal.
Rizks said
Wat abt. Chocolates,TEa, ...Wat abt. Chocolates,TEa, Coffee, Toast etc. etc. LOL
Fatcat said
Thank KH. So just cook ...Thank KH. So just cook anything like chicken or beef and they shouldn't even ask me if it's halal, right?
KellysHeroes said
We should not be surprised ...If we see the "Halal" label on the napkins :)
For those who have been to the exhibition, did you notice the Halal makeup. mainly the nail polish. They claim it does not need acetone to remove. Did not know that using acetone is Haram or a sin :(
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KellysHeroes said
very correct Fatcat. ...I remember. Before this "Halal" "Fashion" came up, we just used to check if there is any pork in the meal. Am talking about my country and in Europe. The word "Halal" was not in the dictionary at that time
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janeyjaney said
KH:. Acetone is haram?? ...KH:. Using acetone is haram??
How else will they remove the nail polish? Water? Rubber eraser?
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SheDBabe said
KH ...From what I Hear some of the Shia sects only eat "Halal" fish.. I used to have some Bohri friends in SL who told me so..They only eat fish that's "Halal" Though I couldn't figure out what it means & how its done!!
DaRuDe said
Fatcat ...Sorry cant agree with you on that :/
Fatcat said
Thanks, KH! ...Thanks, KH!
fatiq said
No Fatcat!. Please ask your guest first! ...You will have some very upset guests if they found out you gave them something you weren't supposed to.
Ask them which opinion they follow. I can give you a general rule of thumb...if they are from the subcontinent they might drink or do a lot of other unIslamic things but believe me they will only eat Halal!!
The rest of the ethnicities it tends to vary.
KellysHeroes said
J J ...I was surprised like you. Seems just B S
You can use corrector to remove it or a rough stone
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Fatcat said
You must disagree with the ...You must disagree with the ppl who wrote that, not with me wolfie.
KellysHeroes said
SheDBabe ...This is the first time I hear about Halal fish being a must for some sects
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DaRuDe said
no Fatty ...me just like to disagree with you only :D
janeyjaney said
KH:. A whole lot of B S.. I ...KH:. A whole lot of B S.. I think it's a marketing strategy for some. Before we know it, pens, underwear, toiletries etc would have to be labeled "Halal".
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nadt said
lol KH, me too, since when ...lol KH, me too, since when was fish halal or haram. Even with acetone, perfurmes etc with alcohol in them, its not like you are drinking them, its a bit too much..
Amoud said
Forget about the fresh ...Forget about the fresh meats, what about the Chef Boyardee meat raviolis, canned soups, chilis etc. I never eat such things in Canada and to be honest never gave it much thought here until my last trip home.
There is definatly meat here that is not Halal, but if in doubt don't eat it, very simple. Religion is a personal choice and with choosing to practise you are also choosing to sacrifice some things. Inshallah you will be rewarded for your "suffering".... this kind of makes me laugh because it is only a hamburger... how much suffering can it really cause if you cant eat it? Go make one at home.
KellysHeroes said
Fatcat ...The easiest thing. DOnot invite any Muslims. They guys are confusing you.
Here is the definition or requirements to have Halal meat.
To Muslims, Halal meat should be slaughtered by a believer (Muslim, Christian, Jew).
For a Muslim to slay the animal, should use a very sharp knife, say "In the name of God", and then make sure to cut properly the neck veins or arteries (whatever) in one go. animal blood should drain properly.
The issue of Halal started when some farms started using the method of electric shock or something like that based on some Animal right groups that were considering using the knife is brutal or "in-human" whatever.
But again I insist. Until the 80s of last century, this Halal issue was not there and we were only concerned about avoiding pork.
Seems some like to complicate the issues. Making religions and cultural/human relations such a complexity.
What if you have never been to a Muslim country and never heard about Halal, and you invite some Muslim friends. Then you will never know about this issue at all.
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Amoud said
Ohh, as for the acetone ...Ohh, as for the acetone thing..... Acetone is not haram, halal nail polish simply means the nail polish can be washed off with water and soap, or peeled off so that women can wash for prayer. I don't know about anyone else but I don't carry a bottle of acetone around with me.
KellysHeroes said
janeyjaney ...I will have a look at that section in supermarkets which I usually avoid:( to check if they have Halal condoms :D
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Amoud said
wow Kelly, very ...wow Kelly, very disrespectful....
SheDBabe said
Yeah KH ...As I said it's the Bohris themselves who told me so & until then I didn't know such a thing even existed..Strange But true!
labda06 said
kellys thanks for that info ...kellys thanks for that info because I never really understood what "halal meat" etc meant.
Kellys-the slayer of ignorance :)
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
KellysHeroes said
nadt ...but perfumes are Haram. They contain alcohol. The first time this issue came up when I was at school and it was a chemistry class. someone raised the question that "what can we use instead of surgical spirit" to clean the wound and skin scratches. I was surprised to hear that and was not aware of it. So the teacher suggested using cinnamon
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janeyjaney said
LOL at ...LOL at KH!!
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nadt said
okay KH, cinnamon it is :P ...okay KH, cinnamon it is :P
naadiram57 said
Bravo! Hamdulliah ...Thank you for that comment. I am an American Muslim too...and I have said the same thing. Why do we try to make Islam harder than it should be...harder than Allah says? I totally agree. I think its because sometimes...since we are living in America and there is a relatively small population of Muslims..(accept for the large metropolitain areas)we sometimes doubt that we are being "Muslim enough". So, we tend to "over do it". Also, many are converts, and they feel they need to do everything "extra perfect". Its all with good "intentions"...but sometimes is "way over the top". I've be here working and living in Qatar for 3 years...and in that respect its nice to be able to relax and be a muslim. I'm just happy I don't have to worry about any pork products in any of the food....so enjoy the food and...bon appetite!!!
KellysHeroes said
nadt ...I prefer cinnamon rolls.
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KellysHeroes said
Labda ...Good morning babe.
Am afraid I should start a new program or forum: "Ask Kelly"
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Alexa said
It is amazing how ...It is amazing how complicated life can be!
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
KellysHeroes said
Alexa ...it is up to us to make it simple or complicated
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DaRuDe said
KH & Alexa ...KH stop Hijacking ok :D
and Alexa how is your nose now do you need one more punch
Alexa said
Hello KH....and yes, ...Hello KH....and yes, exactly!
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
Alexa said
Da...be GENTLE! You are ...Da...be GENTLE! You are talking to a sick person here......
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
DaRuDe said
Alexa KH ...sick who you or Kelly
aww wait wait me will come with some Nurses and a basket full of injections
Alexa said
Me ...but NO injections ...Me ...but NO injections PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make it a fruit and sweets basket......:)
Halal, of course...;)
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
KellysHeroes said
Da. OK Boss ...Will step away to give you a hijack round here :D
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Amoud said
...and make sure it is halal ......and make sure it is halal ....lol
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labda06 said
Kellys you would be the ...Kellys you would be the perfect agony uncle. I would write to you every day :)... Now lemme run off before the thread owner attacks me for hijacking, Im in enough trouble as it is. :)
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
DaRuDe said
Damn halal flowers ...so means Red Rose is not halal every one use that for flirting.
KellysHeroes said
Thank you labda ...But who dares to attack such a sweet baby. Am waiting and watching.
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labda06 said
awwwww shucks kellys, ...awwwww shucks kellys, thanks...:) :) :)
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
Eco-savvy said
fatiq check this answer ...http://www.islam-qa....
canarybird said
DaRuDe - there must be ...There must be something in that as they are forbiddenon Valentines Day in KSE lol lol.
KellysHeroes hi there
I just had to laugh when you came up with your comment halal condomes - then there must be halal rubber trees somewhere lol.
I completely disagree that the government can be blamed in any way, everyone is resposible for their own grocery/meat/vegetable shopping, and some stores do actually cater for foreigners who want to eat a butterball turkey at Thanksgiving and Christmas and I am sure that they will have permission to do so.
Do foreigners - non muslims not have the right to have the meat they want to???
Kanu08 said
Many things i feel not halal too... ...Coca-Cola drinks, Starbucks cafe, bristle used to spread seasoning for grilled meat, paint brush, etc...
bstmomeva01 said
guys halal is a religious ...guys halal is a religious issue, please don't make fun out of it...and as someone said, It is amazing how complicated life can be! and that too over food??? I have said the same thing back in Canada and say it here too, when in doubt and it clashes with your beleifes, just avoid it, better be safe than sorry. I myself did not pick up some of the stuff in supermarkets here because in my eyes it wasnt zabiha halaal and found many other products that were. Oh and it is always better to also do your own research as few of my canadian christian friends have told me of times when they were served pork in dumplings in a local chinese resturant and one of my freind was informed by a friday employee that one of the drinks had alcohol. So in my opinion avoid when in doubt and if you eat/drink haraam un knowingly, inshallah we wont be accounted for it since the responsibility falls on the muslim gov.
janeyjaney said
Pork dumplings go ...Pork dumplings go down........ mmmmmmmmmmmmm
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KellysHeroes said
Hi canary birdie ...How are you dear?
Now you have confused me. DO you mean to say that there are Halal Christmas trees?
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KellysHeroes said
J J ...seems you did not have your lunch yet. I can hear your stomach canaries singing:)
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Alexa said
Pork dumplings???? ...Pork dumplings???? Where??????
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
KellysHeroes said
Alexa ...Thought you are not feeling well. if pork dumplings are the cure, then we can ask for medical prescribtion:)
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Alexa said
KH...yes, yes, ...KH...yes, yes, please!!!!!!
A sense of humour is just common sense dancing, sadly, common sense has left the building and is dancing somewhere else.
Alexa
janeyjaney said
KH I had my lunch already.. ...KH I had my lunch already.. but I'm still hungry.. :(
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canarybird said
KellysHeroes - well ...Well no I am confused as you said halal serviettes, well I don't know if you know but some paper articles are made from old rags. What if these old rage were worn but Christians, what doe this make the serviette.
Some trees get blessed but will that make them any better?? lol lol
Actually I did efer to the rubber trees????
KellysHeroes said
canary ...Did not know that rubber is a tree ;P
Usually rubber is used to refer to something kept inside the wallet or the pocket :D
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