my thoughts on Russia-Georgia conflict

"Killing under the cloak of war is nothing but murder". (Albert Einstein)

magic dragon, i see you know your eistein classics :-)

what about this one , very famous also

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein

no magic dragon, that was to answer nica 25 original question "Why people could just live peacefully?"
i taught that qote was a way of answering this

that all sir,

and now magic dragon ? for what do we fight ?

Don't wait for the last judgment it takes place every day.

"Albert Camus "

lol :-)))

at the end of the day , nothing change ,hey ?
still the same animal preteding to be dressed and polite .

Don't wait for the last judgment it takes place every day.

"Albert Camus "

I doubt any European country would want to intervene directly against Russia. Ukraine, depsite Yushchenko being close to Saakashvili, will certainly not intervene, because Russia is a threatening power to Ukraine. I'm not sure what Putin's Belorussian clone is doing in this situation.
The Ukraine won't do anything: any action against Russia will split the country in two.

Essentially the only powers I could see getting involved are Azerbajian, Turkey(if Adjara revolts) and perhaps Armenia.
The US is tied down in Iraq and has diplomatic worries abroad (but the US supports Georgia diplomatically, for sure).
For real I think that no one not directly threatened by a direct involvement in the conflict would move until US say what they do. I would be surprised that US intervene too, but NATO rethoric is the totally opposite of the Russia one. Russia says: "Ossetia is no more part of Georgia" and NATO says: "The sovereignty of Georgia must be respected".
Diplomacy can still rule the conflict but the ways to do so are tiny.
.
Back in my coffin!
.

business...so probably this is the main reason why it's still going on..and on...and on.Couldn't have enough huh?

leaders are fighting over powers and territories..

I think I've discovered the secret of life - you just hang around until you get used to it.  ~Charles Schulz

Britexpat said:

Perhaps the Yanks need to withdraw to North America and leave Europe alone for a while..

Don't forget to close the borders to everyone, total isolation from everyone. Maybe the world will crumble to pieces with the Russian domination.

I hear St. Patrick was an Englishman!"

The Americans have done all that you say and more.. They have helped shape the world into what is today. American soldiers have given their lives all over the world..

It would be however naive for you to believe that every action the US government takes is for the good of humanity..

My point was that perhaps its time for the Americans to go to the sidelines and see if the Europeans can stand on their own feet and resolve the issues themselves...

You can't teach experience

see if the Europeans can stand on their own feet and resolve the issues themselves...

Right. And how will they do it?

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

I haven't seen such the same attempt of war and politics since Hitler. Nam and Korea ain't the same like this before...

...but so far, at least they managed the truce in just a few 6 days after...

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

You think if we didn't say what we said???
Rusia would stop??? Your naive...
Ok...You guys fix this one...
We just saved a bunch of lives again...
But no....
Were A holes...
Fluck you

You can't teach experience

You can't teach experience

You can't teach experience

Typical Brit

Now I'm siding on vegas with the humor. LOL ;-p

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

You can't teach experience

So it must be true...:)
You can't teach experience

You can't teach experience

IMHO .. NATO is a relic and should be disbanded now.. The Europeans should have their own unified rapid reaction force..

The European force should have strong ties with the American forces regarding intelligence , tactical and weaponry.

NATO should not be in Afghanistan. It has no business there.

...for the final settlement as is NATO or Euro forces ain't effective...no matter how much the UN has 'intervened' in several nations fer years...

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

I will be dammed if that happens in USA

You can't teach experience

Now it sucks....
Why these people come to Doha...

You can't teach experience

I agree.. Western Europe has gone too far left.. People have become too dependent on the government for handouts..

However, isn't it better to have a welfare system, then allow a certain strata of society to suffer ??

Remember the suffering of the poor after Katrina !

Socialism does not work anywhere.. You need to find a middle ground..

By the way.. You might be interested in the following..

An alternative view regarding NATO

http://www.jwv.org/c...

Federal Republic of Germany ???

1-Do you have high remarks about Fidel Castro socialism reform?
2-What is your opinion of the current president of Venezuela?
3-Why we should pull out of Afghanistan and not Iraq?

I hear St. Patrick was an Englishman!"

You can't teach experience

Read my comments again..

Did I say I like Chavez or that we should pull out of Afghanistan ??

Nummerous British soldiers have died for this cause..

Vegas watch sicko and then tell me what you think of Castro

guys dont be so harsh, Brit is a nice guy.. People cant have a different view than you and not still be a nice guy?

Wonderful world we are making here.

They always get grouchy this time of the night....leave Britexpat aloooone!!! grrrrrr...

Emotions aside, why cant there be a civil discussion without personal attacks? There's a thought!

"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie

AbuAmerican..Thanks for the support buddy.. We argue, have laugh and learn from each other..

Drac..

You are so right.. Putin is pulling the strings.. The worrying thing is that he could be around for a very long time..

The West needs to be very wary..Madeleine Albright the former U.S. Secretary of State rescribed Putin as someone who is more likely to define his job than be defined by it.

"After our first meetings, in 1999 and 2000, I described him in my journal as "shrewd, confident, hard-working, patriotic, and ingratiating." In the years since, he has become more confident and — to Westerners — decidedly less ingratiating."

His vision of Russia is that of a great power in the old-fashioned European sense. Such powers have spheres of influence and subjugate lesser powers. At home, they celebrate national traditions and prize collective glory, not individual freedom.

The meeting will come to nothing.. They'll meet, discuss, then come up with a strongly worded statement which will be meaningless..

aren't Brits & Americans cousins??? (scratching head)...

Britexpat said:

Yes! Seperated by a common language..

Yes! Separated by a common accent and a big Ocean.

Do you know why Americans do not consider the UK an Island anymore?

You guys got a tunnel connecting the UK to Europe.

I hear St. Patrick was an Englishman!"

You call it Hood, we Bonnet
You call it a Trunk, we Boot
You call it a Faucet, we Tap
you call it an eraser, we rubber
You call him President, we Wan**^

Its only terms..

Will you be my fliend ?

she is "frustrated with Russia's refusal for immediate withdrawal from Georgia"

What a b1tch! I mean, she comes from the No.1 outlaw/terrorist/criminal country, and she dares call other countries as "outlaws"!
This is how political prostitution looks like!

if we are Georgian residents?We seem to be an 'experts' just looking the situation from afar. But I really doubt if we're are in their shoes.

Hmmmmmm....this is such an interesting scenario from a political point of view.

NATO is accusing Russia of Cold War thinking, Russia is accusing NATO of Cold War thinking. And both are absolutely right to do so.

Meanwhile the Georgians are paying for the fact that they, ahem, got a little to big for their britches.

The sad thing is that nowhere do I see the need for Russia to invade Georgia?? All the issues could have been solved politically, through sit downs and meetings and no innocents would have had to die.

IT just seems to me like Russia and NATO are trying to say "Look! See! We still big men!" by playing with a tiny country that was suffering internal political strife.

Visit www.qatarhappening.com

In the near past wars are presented just becouse not to close down the weapons manufacturer!And becouse humans are being wildest and animals turning to become more friendly to each other :)

The political machine triumphs because it is a united minority acting against a divided majority.
— Will Durant

The mistake a lot of politicians make is in forgetting they've been appointed and thinking they've been anointed.
— Claude D. Pepper

Run for office? No. I've slept with too many women, I've done too many drugs, and I've been to too many parties.
— George Clooney

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.
— Ronald Reagan

Politics is perhaps the only profession for which no preparation is thought necessary.
— Robert Louis Stevenson

Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book.
— Ronald Reagan

Politicians are wonderful people as long as they stay away from things they don't understand, such as working for a living.
— P. J. ORourke

One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
— Plato

Oh and if you would really like to laugh, watch this man.

http://www.youtube.c...

A politician who said, My god! Look how screwed up everything is, this is so bad its funny. And the comedian was born.

If anyone gets irritated with this just know I can act political too and I'll blame it on Britexpat for starting it. (his quote)

IMHO , Force was not neccessary..

However, Russia was looking for an excuse to teach a lesson to its ex sattelite countries and also to the West for "encroaching" on its domain..

In a perverse way, it might help things in the long run..

Both countries may now be more vary of unilateral action.