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Support recycling in Qatar please.
Support recycling in Qatar please. They have recently started a trial program here and there are recycling bins set up at Al Bidda park (Rumeilah park) and a few other locations.
There are three multi colored containers for paper, plastics and metals and one for glass (all colors).
I personally would like to see this program expanded so I would ask that if its not too much for you. Separate your trash and drop it by so they can see people are interested and are participating. Inshaallah if they see there is a need they will continually expand the amount of recycling bins throughout Doha till a spot is placed near you (or so we hope.)
Just a humble request.
MagicDragon said
As long as I see policemen ...As long as I see policemen throwing Seven Up cans out of their car windows, I will not support that program!
vignale said
Abu, I agree with you, this ...Abu, I agree with you, this is something to support- maybe it will change the attitude of People. From Back home I have been used to recycle most of what is thrown away.
AbuAmerican said
huh? dude that logic is full ...huh? dude, MD that logic is full of awesome.. wait.. wha?? huh?
I am speechless, you have been drinking haven't you?
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MagicDragon said
I haven't Abu. But they are ...I haven't Abu. But they are the examples I follow in order to live "Qatar-Conform".
Alexa said
Abu, does that mean after ...Abu, does that mean after separating my garbage, I must transport it to Al Bidda Park?
If so, I have to say no...if I can buy recycling bins, put them in front of my house and have the garbage picked up from there, I certainly will participate.
But transporting it around town in my car...no, I am sorry.
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
canarybird said
well ...I think this is a good start but it needs education and rethinking on the part of all. When I reach our parking places in the morning it looks often like a rubbish tip people just empty their rubbish on the spot.
Then again at small store where people buy Telephone cards everything gets thrown out of the car I did speak to one local lady as I was passing she threw the card out and it hit me.
So the education has to start at the pampers age if they want to save their country.
canarybird said
Alexa - even ...Even if you would separate it, the garbage people will throw it in altogether, they are not trained to identify garbage, they don't even pick up the things that fall on the street when they are emptying the trash as it is they just leave it.
AbuAmerican said
Well Alexa thing is this, if ...Well Alexa thing is this, if no one uses the bins there then they wont see a need to expand the project to residential areas.
A program like this in this region of the world is very rare and in my humble opinion should be supported if possible. Like I said.. humble request only.
MD be a leader for once dude and set the example.
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Alexa said
Well, the idea is good, ...Well, the idea is good, obviously....and I do feel kind of guilty for not participating....even if it is thrown together again, which is very probable, still, at least somebody has tried. Abu, I do appreciate your post and defo see where you are coming from.
But, after what I have seen and heard, I am a little cynical....still feel a bit guilty though....
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
ste said
I already have recycling in ...I already have recycling in the bin outside my house:
The feral cats eat all the bones and meat scraps (yes even those from KFC and McDonalds),
The rats eat the leftover vegs and bread
The roaches eat all the other cr*p
An old bloke on a bike extracts all the tins
Another even older bloke takes the cardboard
and then these other blokes in bright coloured overalls take away whats left in a big lorry.
100% waste management
"only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun"
MagicDragon said
Abu, let the Qataris start ...Abu, let the Qataris start with it. It is their country.
Alexa said
Plus, I don't drive...and ...Plus, I don't drive...and hub ...no way he will do this...no way !
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
PM said
I used to live out in the country back in the States ...and my kids and I used to separate and recycle long before it was collected by the municipality (and well before any government operated programs). We loaded up the trunk every other week and drove about 20 miles to the recycling center. It wasn't a big hassle; just bought different bins for the stuff and got in the habit.
My school has been doing the paper recycling for about 8 years now. We did find out, after the first year or so that there was no facility to recycle the paper in Qatar at that time and it was being taken to the Northern area and burned. I believe that has changed now, though.
A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates
AbuAmerican said
MD there is that logic ...MD there is that logic again. So in order to do something right or better you have to see someone else do it first? How about we set the example and show them how its done?
When I see a person (Qatari or otherwise) throw trash on the ground I yell out "eish hadha?" and I point out the nearest bin to them... I have yet to see it not work to get them to pick up their trash and dispose of it properly.
Alexa I hear ya, just this topic falls under my degree field. Would like to see it take off.
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sadaf19852 said
well sum or the other guy ...well sum or the other guy has to move for the first step...y do you keep ur house clean thou u r jst a tenant & the house belong to sum1 else!!
MagicDragon said
The waste management in ...The waste management in Qatar is scheduled to be operational in 2009 (inshallah).
http://www.keppelseghers.com/pressrelease/19/Keppel_wins_S$1.7_billion_solid_waste_management_contracts_in_Qatar
MagicDragon said
Abu, if I'd do what you ...Abu, if I'd do what you suggest, I'd be looked at as being the man from Mars. Jesus brought up new ideas, he was crucified. I don't plan to suffer the same fate.
AbuAmerican said
lol MD.. Ok don't do it ...lol MD.. Ok don't do it then.
Anyone else who can then thanks and hats off to you.
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MagicDragon said
Thank you, Abu. ...Thank you, Abu. Theoretically I am with you. Qatar produces 4 kg solid waste per head, a world leading. But as long as the Qataris do not understand what's going on, we as expatriates shouldn't try to interfere. They might get pissed about it.
PM said
There ARE Qataris involved in Recycling MD ...Your idea that it could prove to be dangerous to you seems a bit over the top, don't you think? After all, Qatar Foundation and Dr. Saif Al-Hajiri have been promoting recycling for years now. In fact, Dr. Saif and a member of an EC faculty have been involved in this since 2002, including funding studies, developing education and making video spots on recycling.
A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates
diamond said
That's a bit harsh ...That's a bit harsh Magic...'let the qataris start with it, it's their country'. Yes, it's our counttry but you reside here and produce garbage like everyone else. Can't we all try together? We don't all have to follow the lowest common denominator of the ashtray being emptied out of the car window.
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janeyjaney said
This can be easily ...This can be easily implemented by expatriates, we are fully aware that recycling has to be done at some point. And yes, there are also some who just doesn't seem to care as well.
We recycle at home (whether in our home country or here in Qatar) it's just difficult to come across that most locals seem to be apathetic towards this issue.. they're too lazy to even do this or just by simply understanding that in the long run, this will benefit us all.
Even the definition of self-bussing I think should be brought to some of the locals' attention.. I'm just saying maybe those lot who need more education regarding this matter should be given the sole focus on.
I mean don't worry about us, we've been trying to do our part, isn't it high time for others to do their share too?
MagicDragon said
That might well be the case, ...That might well be the case, PM. But nothing of this seems to make it into the public. At least, I cannot see any effect of it. This is a photo of the parking place near the Al Saad stadium after a football game. See for yourself. The visitors were mainly Qataris.
diamond said
Yes, that's bad, Magic, but ...Yes, that's bad, Magic, but equally, I can show you a photo of Wakrah Beach recreation area after the weekend and that garbage is predominantly left by expatriates.
We can all try together.
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PM said
Oh, you won't catch me saying that trash isn't a HUGE ...problem. I am just saying that you will not get into trouble for recycling or giving your energy to support that effort.You seemed to be concerned about that in one of your remarks.
But, I also have to say that after any huge gathering of people there is always a horrible mess to clean up. That's true in the US, at least. It's a shame, for sure.
A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates
MagicDragon said
I have no problem with that, ...I have no problem with that, diamond. I come from a country where you are fined if you throw green glass into the white glass container. But I do not see how this could ever be done here.
diamond said
Well MD, I shall choose the ...Well MD, I shall choose the glass half full approach.
Nothing was ever achieved by pessimism.
Don't you think you could lead by example? If enough of us do, then change will come. Many dripping taps a river makes...
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MagicDragon said
My lovely wife does make ...My lovely wife does make recycling. She collects all the cans of Coke and Seven Up my kids drink and hands the bags to the poor Indian laborers in the compound. They cash it in somewhere. They same applies to my Heineken cans. So we are doing our share already. But, there is no general effect visible.
Alexa said
I think, and please do not ...I think, and please do not crucify me for that, we need to make distinctions when it comes to trash between expatriates and expatriates...as some are very well educated on how to deal with it, where others are oblivious.
And yes, I do agree with diamond, we should all try together...the ones who know and are willing can set an example to the others.
But PLEASE, I really can't drive garbage around in my car...can this not be done in any other way?
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
AbuAmerican said
MD you gotta start somewhere ...MD you gotta start somewhere don't you?
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MagicDragon said
Correct, Abu. ...Correct, Abu.
diamond said
Geez, you're on such a ...Geez, you're on such a downer tonight Magic. You're making me depressed!
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MagicDragon said
That's the "Power of the ...That's the "Power of the Word", Diamond. Cheer up.
diamond said
I'll cheeer up if you ...I'll cheeer up if you recyclce :)
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MagicDragon said
I told you, Dear, we do it ...I told you, Dear, we do it already. "My lovely wife does make recycling. She collects all the cans of Coke and Seven Up my kids drink and hands the bags to the poor Indian laborers in the compound. They cash it in somewhere. They same applies to my Heineken cans. So we are doing our share already."
PM said
LOL Alexa ...I guess it helped that we washed everything out and compacted it. Then we had a closed trunk ;-)
A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates
Alexa said
PM...there you go...my trunk ...PM...there you go...my trunk is open to the passenger part.....plus, if I had a garden, I could make compost out of left over food...but here...what to do? Plus, one would waste a tremendous amount of water on the washing out part....at home there is collected rainwater...here, no.....so you see my dilemma!
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
honestpedal said
but the question is .. ...Where does it all go?
I met with the Friends of the Environment people and they bluntly said that they had no place to put all the trash. They asked me to keep it all in one place, so that ONE DAY when they build recycling plants, they will come and pick them up. Huh? It didn't make sense at all.
I've seen tires all over Al Khor, by our beach house and at other areas. I know that some companies take their used tires and throw it after Dukhan. Its what they call the 'tire dump'.
Education is important, yes. But what is most important is having an actual plan that will leaad to having all the trash recycled.
And the BINS you can pick up from the Friends oo Envirinment Center, for free. They are already sponsored by big companies.
Good luck.
clearbluesky said
I noticed those bins the other I went there, a good move to ...start with. Everything needs some point to start. Anyways I didnt have anything to throw though but surely would do my part whenever I see them. This recycling thing was introduced during the Asian Games in 2006 at all venues and we did participate in that. But later, didnt see anything around, good to see that they have started off somewhere to implement that again.
PM said
There are certainly issues involved ...and ways that it can be helped along and made more effective, I'll grant you that.
A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates
diamond said
lol...people have to know me ...lol...people have to know me really well before they can call me dear...
Yah, you're just being pessimistic for the hell of it.
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Alexa said
:0.......... You mess with ...:0..........
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
MagicDragon said
Not for the "hell of it", ...Not for the "hell of it", but for the "debate of it", Diamond. And by the way, "Dear" is the most formal address I can think of. I think the British use it on every occasion.
diamond said
Sheikha, you can call me ...Sheikha, you can call me dear anytime ;)
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Alexa said
Diamond....i simply can't ...Diamond....i simply can't stand dear, it seems rather condescending to me....I shall sick to "ya habibti"...sounds ever so nice! Sah?
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
diamond said
lol, Alexa, I rather think ...lol, Alexa, I rather think he meant it to be condescending, non?
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MagicDragon said
A very pessimistic ...A very pessimistic interpretation, Diamond.
Alexa said
Peut etre..... You mess with ...Peut etre.....
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
diamond said
No, Magic, a VERY optimistic ...No, Magic, a VERY optimistic and hopeful interpretation. It would be pessimistic if I thought you were using that as a term of endearment ;)
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Alexa said
miaow You mess with the cat, ...miaow
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
MagicDragon said
Yes, I like you. Anything ...Yes, I like you. Anything wrong with it?
heero_yuy2 said
I also want to support this ......as long as these labourers'll stop stealing aluminum cans in the trash bins...
No. Really. Even in my place back home I'm trying to segregate them trash and these garbage trucks just don't care whether it's recyclable or not...they still collect it like the usual...
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
heero_yuy2 said
I also liked the 'ya habibi' expression ..."Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
diamond said
Yes, Magic, there is ...Yes, Magic, there is something wrong with it. If you have been here for so long and know the local culture, you would know that to call a Qataria 'dear' is a cultural faux pas, unless you are a female, married to one or have female Qataria relatives.
But I will choose to think you meant it 'kind heartedly' and take no offence :)
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MagicDragon said
forgive me, Diamond. I did ...forgive me, Diamond. I did not want to be impolite at all.
tallg said
It's good to see Qatar start ...It's good to see Qatar start doing something like this. I'm surprised to see people saying they wont start using these facilities because they have to drive there, or until they see Qataris using them.
heero_yuy2 said
The weird thing about that 'dear' factor ...Sorry for a bit of an off-topic.
...is that my supervisor keeps calling men 'dear' and then babbles their mistakes like some uncontrollable ego.
1. You prefer to call 'dear' vocally to a woman and it sounds a bit ugly if it's for men...
2. You call somebody 'dear' in your lighthearted manner, not in a shouting way...
3. You call the guy 'dear' and you say 'you're wrong' afterwards?
Told you the experience with my supervisor was weird...and repetitive that it'll hurt your ear with both the high tone and the negative remarks after it. Kinda like a robot with a typical program.
Some people'll never survive his attitude and walk away.
(You know the other part? He keeps on defending 'Arabs get a higher pay' as a reason for his grievances!)
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
MagicDragon said
They also call you "achi" or ...They also call you "achi" or "habibi", heero, and kick your a*s. It depends who uses it.
notfromhere said
Abu ..."Well Alexa thing is this, if no one uses the bins there then they wont see a need to expand the project to residential areas."
Hate to admit it Abu, as much as I'm disgusted that there's no recycling program here, I sheepishly agree with Alexa and others that I probably wouldn't drive all over town to deposit the stuff.
Come on, there are soooo many Westerners here for whom recycling is like second nature. All they have to do is place the bins in our housing compounds and they WILL be used.
heero_yuy2 said
In the office, MD ...Me and the Palestinian woman receptionist loves to call each other 'ya habibi' whenever we walk around the hallway.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
heero_yuy2 said
Re:notfromhere ...Come on, there are soooo many Westerners here for whom recycling is like second nature.
What's this thing about Westerners?
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
MagicDragon said
What are they up to, heero?? ...What are they up to, heero??
notfromhere said
Ok, Westerners and others ...Ok, Westerners and others :-)
Just that recycling is common in the US and Europe. I don't really know about other countries. No offense!
There are lots of large compounds with Western residents who would willingly recycle.
tallg said
notfromhere - it's true that ...notfromhere - it's true that westerners are probably used to being able to just dump their recycling on the street for someone to collect, but it wasn't that long ago that we used to put all the recycling in the back of our car and drive to the nearest set of bins. These things have to start somewhere.
AbuAmerican said
notfromhere I don't see ...notfromhere I don't see rapid widespread acceptance unless they go the Germany route and just make it mandatory and slap huge fines for not doing it.
I don't think they have the infrastructure nor the desire to do that so this is going to be one of those things that is going to take a lot of time and education to get people to respond to.
Individually there is nothing from preventing a compound manager from contacting them and asking to have some bins put in a compound I would think. Maybe an Idea eh?
Most of us are used to recycling and that's why I posted this here.
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notfromhere said
I agree, tallg. But I admit ...I agree, tallg. But I admit I've gotten lazy about such things, esp with traffic here. If it's on my way somewhere, sure, I'll drop it off. But if I have to go out of my way it's probably not gonna happen.
Not at all proud of that...just being honest.
PM said
My point exactly Tallg ...;-)
A life unexamined is not worth living -- Socrates
notfromhere said
Abu, I don't think it has to ...Abu, I don't think it has to be mandatory to get people to participate..it just has to be EASY.
MagicDragon said
Abu, I don't think that what ...Abu, I don't think that what works in Germany will work in Qatar as well. The people in both countries have different conceptions of "Obrigkeit" (Ruling Body).
AbuAmerican said
Yea I would like to see it ...Yea I would like to see it expanded for the simple reason of it being easy for myself and others.
I am out with the family every day so for me its no biggie to pass by there. My job allows me the luxury of LOADS of time off so driving across town isn't a big deal for me.
Others aren't so blessed so I understand if its a burden they aren't willing to shoulder.
I would like to see it become the norm here is all. This is a step in that direction as far as I am concerned.
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heero_yuy2 said
and attitude, MD ..."Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
MagicDragon said
and history, heero. ...and history, heero.
Alexa said
I like the idea about ...I like the idea about putting them into compounds...but I don't see it happening...the compounds here, at least the ones I lived on, are so badly managed, as long as they get the rent, they care about nothing else.
So, back to Al Bidda, I guess....
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
rami-leb said
I'm with MD. We ex-patriates ...I'm with MD.
We ex-patriates spend half of our time being told not to rock the boat and that we should just accept the local, Qatari, way of life.
And then we are also told over and over that we should lead by example and that it's irrelevant what the Qataris think/do and we should take the high road and recycle.
You know what, it's their country. We're guests. We should do the polite thing and follow their example - throw the garbage out the window into the streets and onto the beach and just leave it there. Not our problem.
I for one am sick and tired of being expected to somehow know when it's right to tell Qataris to get their head out of their sand (and stop exploiting slave labor, open the government up to democracy, give women rights, etc) and when we should just sit back and let things run their course.
When I see a Qatari finish his meal in the City Center food court and then take his garbage to the bin, and finish drinking his bottle of water, and then pull over and put it into the recycling bin in Al Bidda park, then I might think about recycling. Until then, I'm going to 'respect Qatari tradition and their way of life' and throw my garbage wherever the hell I please. If the Qataris don't like the filthy beaches and rubbish filled streets around Doha, then THEY should be the ones to stop littering. It's their country. We're just guests.
Alexa said
Rami leb...no, not for ...Rami leb...no, not for me...two wrongs don't make a right. I prefer to do what feels right for me..not to litter etc. If other people do it, their business.
I am not sanctimonious...I do not tell other people what to do....BUT that does not mean I will not do what I was taught to do, or not to do.
You mess with the cat, you get the claws....
Architect.J said
ramileb ...v r supposed to take the garbage into the bin after eating at city centre food court? :o i've NEVER seen anyone do that, and dont want to be the odd one out! :P
---Life is Fragile, Handle with Prayer---
tallg said
Why don't you just do what ...Why don't you just do what YOU think is right, rather than worrying what everyone else around you is doing? Try being an individual with your own ideas and values rather than a drone in the masses.
Architect.J said
errr, tallg, i missed a :P ...errr, tallg, i missed a :P in the earlier post. have added it now. :)
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tallg said
I realised you were joking ...I realised you were joking Architect - my comment wasn't directed at you, but at those who are arguing that why should they bother doing anything if no-one else is.
amnesia said
/-a-t-/MD, what are you .../-a-t-/MD, what are you talking about? There are plenty of Qataris concerned. I myself also specialize in Environmental Law, one of my closest friends is posted on a tiny island near Qatar as an Environmental protection officer.
I've seen Qataris, Indians and a few blonde haired babes throw cans on the street. I've also said something to those people.
Just because someone does something bad, it's not an excuse to follow suit. Always be better than the best.
/-a-t-/Leb
No matter what country I'm in, I'll always do my best, and I'll always ensure that I protect the environment. I don't care what anyone ELSE does because I'm concerned with what I do.
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MagicDragon said
Good morning, amnesia. ...Good morning, amnesia. Always be better than the rest. Lol.
Scarlett said
hmmm... ...well the recycling idea is a good start, but it has to have a place to do the recycling, otherwise you are just gathering up a lot of trash and then trying to figure out what to do with it!!
amnesia, I do like you do...always throw trash in the bins, and if I see someone who throws it out the window of the car or on the sidewalk, I've been known to pick it up and take it back to them, saying..I believe you lost this by mistake. That usually takes them back and they apologize for being pigs...
When i walk my dogs in the park, I always pick up after them and even pick up the trash that others have left behind, to throw it in the garbage. At least I hope that way to have a cleaner park to walk in the next day.
I do so hope Qatar comes along with the recycling...it is truly a beautiful country, but could be so much cleaner, so easily if everyone did their part.
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
jocelyn said
thanks! ...Thank you for posting this AbuAmerican - I will gladly drive somewhere once a week to recycle my trash! And I will tell other people and organizations about this as well.
I agree with Alexa that regardless of how you see other people acting, you should act the way *you* think is right. How else will things ever change?
nadt said
Its a good step in the right ...Its a good step in the right direction, i hope it takes off everywhere..
nazek said
I've been waiting for ...I've been waiting for something like this to happen from the first day I came here, but I would like to know what the other locations are perhaps my school can participate. Anyway my husband has no other choice but to go to Bidda park else he'll be in trouble ;)
duckie said
I totally agree that this is ...I totally agree that this is a positive step. Personally I am delighted to have the opportunity to recycle and think it is a small price to pay to separate my rubbish and drive to the park once a week to drop it off. Thanks very much for taking the time to share this AbuAmerican. I'll pass it on to my friends, including Qatari, who have bemoaned the lack of recycling in Qatar. See you at the bins : )
enana said
Good, we have to start somehow... ...I'll do my best
alsboy said
GO GREEN... ...How abt 'Go Green People' march down corniche??? Lead life by been an example for the gud course.
heero_yuy2 said
Re:amnesia ...one of my closest friends is posted on a tiny island near Qatar as an Environmental protection officer.
Somebody's living in that tiny island with a single tree in that Corniche seashore???
There must be a batcave underneath it that I didn't know...
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
jackmohan2007 said
There are machines available that can seprate all kinds of stuff ...There are machines available that can separate all kinds of stuff...
I saw it on Discovery/National Geographic.
And I was thinking ...wow ...this is marvelous!
The techniques used were quite simple like...vibration, spinning, blowing air, rollers, climbers etc.