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Police whip men at Souqs
The Gulf Times reports that some men have been beaten by police at the souqs yesterday. From the article, it seems that victims are being chosen by race.
ASIAN bachelors were beaten with whips and even kicked during a heavy-handed police operation to prevent them from entering Doha’s popular souq areas yesterday. Several encounters, witnessed by Gulf Times, saw Heritage Police Officers using stick-like instruments to herd labourers away from cordoned areas along Grand Hamad Avenue. When one officer was asked why such force was being used he replied: “They are not allowed inside this family area.” He then explained that whips were being employed “because they do not understand”.
I went to Villaggio yesterday after I read the piece in The Peninsula about the first three days of Eid being designated "Family Days". As I walked without hindrance into the mall alongside other Western and Gulf Arab men, two Filipinos were being turned away. Outside, dozens of Indian, Pakistani and Sri Lankan men seemed pretty miserable at being denied entrance. It seemed to me at least that the security guards were preventing access based on race.
Most Western expatriates and Gulf Arabs I talked to yesterday about the segregation were in favour of the policy. One English woman complained that last year, a group of men had stared at her in Villaggio, and it had made her uncomfortable. Another woman said that she thought a man had taken a photo of her last Eid, and "Who knows what he would be doing with the image." To be honest, I didn't think she was particularly attractive, but everyone has different tastes.
Many of the men I spoke with felt sorry for those at the brunt of the policy, but felt helpless to intervene. "It's not our country. If you don't like it, you don't have to live here."
Well here's what I've done. This morning, I wrote a letter to my pension provider, explaining the apparent policy at Villaggio and City Centre, and asking them whether they invest in Carrefour. I've said that if they invest in the company, I will be switching pension provider to one who does not. I've copied Carrefour on the mail.
Here's their email address if anyone else feels like it might do some good: groupecarrefour/-a-t-/eurorscg.fr
[mod note: This thread has been locked as the original topic was no longer being discussed and the petty fighting had gone too far. Unfortunately the comments of two or three QLers have ruined it for everyone else.]
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Renee said
Why don’t they just shoot ...Why don’t they just shoot them in the head – then no one has to worry about them entering – oh but then who will build this country??
If every person who reads about this disgusting, malicious behavior writes a letter, maybe it may make a difference??
marhabtain said
Renee! ...Wow! U r a girl after my own heart! Sounds great - I love a good massacre .Can i man the machine guns with you too! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I am in love! Gin time! Hic!
Renee said
why not - it will put the ...why not - it will put the poor sods out of their misery! :(
marhabtain said
Arbeit Macht Frei !!!! ...Ok Renee, made the sign. I reckon Messaied is a good place for the camp! Any idea where we can get gas from? I saw a van with Nazih Trading on the side - reckon they must be the people to call! OMG.....this is gonna be fun! I have polished my jack boots already too!
Sieg Heil baby! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
tallg said
I admire your stand William ...I admire your stand William - but I think your target is incorrect. I doubt Carrefour have much to do with the policies in force. The malls aren't managed by the supermarket, and whoever does manage them are probably only acting on instructions from a higher level.
William Boot said
carrefour is the best target ...The local firms don't care, but Carrefour's board will go ape-shit as soon as any hint of racism is levelled against them. They have huge investments in India, and a few people writing to pension providers can make a difference to investment decisions.
tallg said
Maybe you're right, but I ...Maybe you're right, but I think a better stand would be to boycott the malls altogether. It would probably be impossible to organise, but a few weeks of no customers at any of the malls would surely make the point.
marhabtain said
Carrefour ...Carrefour is French. These people are DUMB and could care less about racialism. They certainly dont give a merde about quality of products and even less customer services. As Marie Antoinette once said of the poor who had no bread - 'Let them eat cake ' If residents of Qatar really seriously want to sort Carrefour out they should dimply BOYCOTT them - as i do. Support your local shops and get ur meat at meggamart! Simple and actually cheaper!
marhabtain said
Do not Boycott our Malls! ...FFs - Louis Vuitton simply must enjoy our patronage without hindrance. Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I say!
Tagazoo said
I was in City Center ...I was in City Center yesterday and I saw how the security shooing the bachelors out from the mall. I really feel sorry for this people.
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marhabtain said
City Center ...What a great Management team they have! the exit escalators now do 100 km per hour so that they can eject those horrid bachaelors even faster! Yippppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Rock on! Gin time! hic!
mjamille28 said
horrible people they are.... ...horrible people they are.... i hope they get bad karma... and the management as well.
marhabtain said
Mjamille Baby! ...Mwah! Love the new pic! What a corker! Yippeeeeeeeeeeee! Falling in love again etc! Gin time! hic!
mjamille28 said
lol marhabtain.... it's the ...lol marhabtain.... it's the gin that's talking i think... ;)
chelsea_5706 said
hate those guards ...Hate hate hate that "No BAchelors allowd..." policy. It just sucks man. One time, somehow i managed myself to get inside villagio mall, I was shopping then decided to eat at the foodcourt. When i was eating (standing-since the tables are all occupied)nearby a family table, the father shooed me away. damn it. I was really pissed off man. Before that incident I already noticed him with his wife talking and staring at me like im a criminal or some hideous-faced creature about to devour them (wish I could). I wanted to shove the food into his mouth man. Imagine you're just eating and relaxing and suddenly someone treats u like that. How racist these people are. Well, the point is not about bachelors and families. Its about RACISM.
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mjamille28 said
agree with you on that ...agree with you on that point.. coz if it's really bachelors they dont allow, then they would've shooed all the others off,... it's more like ASIAN BACHELORS not allowed...
marhabtain said
THEY are FOLLOWING ORDERS! ...Well, thats what the Nazis said right! Hic! Gin time again! yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! No Last ORDERS in this house! yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! orders are orders yah!
mjamille28 said
yeah, it's the people giving ...yeah, it's the people giving the orders at fault... maybe somebody ought to whip them as well, just so they will know how these people feel...and all they wanna do was to go shopping....
heero_yuy2 said
Who needs to go to these souqs and malls anyway? ...Can't seem to find any 'attractive' spots on these areas for the holidays...
There's always 'after Eid' to visit them...
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
Renee said
Chelsea ...I’m sorry to hear about your awful treatment. Unfortunately things are not going to change anytime soon. Just listen to the “police watch dogs” on QL who deny that racism exists in Doha and argue that it is a “happy go lucky” country.
Thank god there are still some decent souls who speak up about this malicious treatment. Without them, I am assured things would be worse.
NO HUMAN BEING, no matter what race or how much dosh you have in your pocket should be treated like in this disgusting way. Who the hell do they think they are??
mjamille28 said
thing is, they not only do ...thing is, they not only do this during Eid,..it's actually a friday policy as well... these poor people some of them only got fridays off when they can do their shopping and they're not allowed in...
marhabtain said
Who needs Malls? ...I do and always will unless Louis Vuitton starts either to deliver or do mail order yah! Zippy doooooooo! Hic!
chelsea_5706 said
well ...As Tupac Shakur says...."That's just the way it is"
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nomad_08 said
i experienced the same thing ...i experienced the same thing chelsea, i was with my family having snack at the foodcourt when i decided to have a closer look at the ice rink.
suddenly a man told me to move away from their table (they were about 5 feet on my right)and i realize that he was also with his family. my first instinct was to argue with him but decided against it cause i know nothing good would come out of it.
it was not a very pleasant experience.
MagicDragon said
So, to sum it up: we live in ...So, to sum it up: we live in a monarchy. That's the opposite of Democracy. Freedom is just another word. And Human Rights rewards from the United Nations are bought with Petro-Dollars. Is that anything new for you guys?
LifeisBeautiful said
I am in favour of this policy ...Thios might sound stupid but I actually support it. I'am from India and I can vouch that this policy does more good than bad to the bachelors from the sub continent.It's better to be denied access than to be branded lechers in public. The problem is,we people from the subcontunent love to stare at women and if given a chance we would actually scan them from head to toe. It about the attitude. I feel disgusted whenevr I see people from the subcontinent in groups standing in one corner coz they dont have the balls to go and shop and stare at women of every nationality as if they are aliens. Lets accept the fact - Most of our people dont go to the malls for shopping;they go for having a good time starting at the females of different races. 'Look at that chick','Wow look at that a**' and similar other expressions are very common and popular in these circles. If you want to test the validity of what I'am saying you juist have to go to the souqs and find it for your self.:ook at what these 'bachelors' have made out of these shopping places. They actually behave like retards if they see a girl and mind you the girl doesn't even have to be well endowed.They would pick on anyone.It's quite embarassing being a fellow citizen.Specially men from India,Pakistan and Bangladesh act as if they haven't seen a female in generations. Quite shameless I would say. If I had a family I would definately not want my women folks to be subjectedto the Xray eyes of these stupid men. They even make comments most of the times in there language. Agreed that there are Egyptian and Arabs who also do the same but I haven't noticed such blatant behavior from them. And also,these 'bans' are oly on special occassions.So why complain. It's THEIR country and they have all the right to decide what policy they want. It's these 'bachelors' who should change their attitude.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
MagicDragon said
I just read in the Peninsula ...I just read in the Peninsula that the bachelors finally found an alternative to the malls:
"Hundreds of single men thronged Doha Zoo on the first day of Eid as the city's popular landmarks such as the Corniche, Al Rumeillah and Al Bida parks as well as some shopping malls were strictly reserved for families."
Maybe the female monkeys will soon start complaining about being stared at.
dphantom23 said
life is beautiful its ...life is beautiful its true!and until now im wondering why they stare like that on women lol!
a character w/o virtue is a like a flower w/o perfume!
heero_yuy2 said
LOL, MD ...Or rather female peacocks. Can't seem to get my eye out of their feathers last time I went there. :-P
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
adey said
No Lifeisbeautiful ...even if some men do do this, to stereotype a whole race and make a blanket ban is what it is - RACISM
You admit other races do this also - so why aren't all members of their race banned?
It's like me saying "I knew a prostitute from the sub-continent once ergo all of these women are prostitutes and we don't tolerate this in Qatar - so there you are Lifeisbeautiful, here are your deportation papers get out!!! It's their country after all."
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
heero_yuy2 said
You're not making it obvious with your avatar, eh, dphantom23? ..."Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
LifeisBeautiful said
MD...we just have to realize ......that this monarchy is much better than MOST of the democracies in thwe world.Take Crime Rate for example and compare it with the subcontinent where we have the best democracy in India. Sometime not having too much freedom is good for the majority.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
MagicDragon said
LifeisBeautiful, I do not ...LifeisBeautiful, I do not think that India has a perfect Democracy. But I still think that Democracy is the worst form of Government except all others.
AbuAmerican said
I agree with life is ...I agree with life is beautiful. Although I disagree with the way they enforce the ban.
My wife and I just avoid ANYWHERE with huge amounts of bachelors. They just staaaaaaaaaaarrrrrreeeee. My wife is full covered in niqab mind you and these guys are looking at her like she is casting for a slot as a bay watch babe.
I disagree that bans are the correct method to handle the problem but I understand why they do it.
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heero_yuy2 said
Isn't America a democratic country? ..."Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
MagicDragon said
Abu, my wife is not covered. ...Abu, my wife is not covered. And when them stare at her I stare back at them. And then only the gays continue to stare back.
dphantom23 said
haha its just an avatar,but ...haha its just an avatar,but i will not go in public areas wearing like this ciao!
a character w/o virtue is a like a flower w/o perfume!
adey said
Abu ...Does it not remind you of the Southern states in the early sixties?.....not to the same extent, obviously not a direct parallel.
What would a Rosa Parkes do?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
AbuAmerican said
MD I stare back but a lot of ...MD I stare back but a lot of these guys have no shame. I even say "get your own wife and stop staring at mine" but alas some will not be shaken in their attempt to try and catch a glimpse of .... anything.
Its disturbing for my wife so we just avoid the high human traffic locations.
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LifeisBeautiful said
Yes Adey...I agree... ...Steroetyping is bad and there are better ways of handling this menace possibly.But I dont think anyone in the government has the time or inclination to give it a serious thought.They prefer to use the timetested 'rule of the baton' and sort it out for a short term advantage.Can't blame the authorities.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
MagicDragon said
Abu, I noticed that many of ...Abu, I noticed that many of them are already in a state of coma. They would not react to anything.
AbuAmerican said
Wasn't around in the 60's ...Wasn't around in the 60's and my family isn't from the south, my blood line was and still is a tenacious bunch who would not be.... oppressed. There are similarities but very small ones and I am not sure its a suitable comparison.
Like I said, I understand why they do it I don't agree with it. What wasn't clear here?
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adey said
Can't blame the authorities.???!~!!! ...Yes I do, who else is to blame?
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
chocolate said
I guess the solution would ...I guess the solution would be to make some nice places only for these bachelors. But then again, who would make such a place?. I read sometime back that barwa was going to construct decent accomodation for labourers , which will have a mall also- hope that comes about soon.
ste said
I think you will find that ...I think you will find that the real issue the malls have with 'batchelors' is not particularly that they stare at women (for gods sake girls get used to it), or intimidate families or behave badly, its the simple fact that the majority of these guys, and for batchelors read labourers, do not spend money in the vastly overpriced oulets that make up the majority of the stores.
Capitalism, rather than racism, is the main factor at play here I think.
"only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun"
adey said
Abu ...Yes it was clear.
It's a fair comparison IMHO but as I said not parallel one or to the same extent - using force to deny access to facilities based on race - they get round it by saying it's only men and it's a family day - but you and I know that's hog wash.
I have never been stopped. The only time was on a Thurs or Friday night(11pm) when one of our Sri Lankin companions was ordered to go a different route out of Souq Waqif (so he didn't walk past the outdoor cafes) by a tourist police officer, when we (white guys) inquired why, we were told "it's not a problem, it's a mistake, carry on"
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
AbuAmerican said
ste your get used to it ...ste your get used to it mentality works in the west but out here in this society they apply that same logic to the bachelors but by force. Hence us discussing this topic. In this society its highly frowned upon to stare at women, figured you would have known that one mate.
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msj_dxb said
It is hightime the ...It is hightime the discremination between skin and colour should end and human values should have a priority... If the Govt does not want Asians then why they issue Visas?? Let Europeans & Arabs work here and do the development. All individual if on residence visa should be treated with same respect and dignity.
AbuAmerican said
Yea adey man its pretty ...Yea adey man its pretty disgusting all in all. I don't see their current actions as a solution but all of us came here and had to make some adjustments to our behaviors and these guys should too so they aren't all stereotyped and treated like this.
With that statement I am not placing the blame on these guys but I am sure some of them can do things to help drop the "stigma" they carry (poor choice of words perhaps but its all I got for now.)
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MagicDragon said
They get nothing for their ...They get nothing for their "adjustment". Only little money. That's too poor.
LifeisBeautiful said
MD...they will get respect ......for their 'adjustment' not only from foriegners but also from their fellow countrymen.. White men are respected for respecting other peoples' private space and being 'civilized' in public. Good manners go a long way in building a society based on mutual respect. These 'bachelors' should realize that.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
adey said
I understand Abu what you are saying ...but an individual might not have the 'staring' tendency or may have changed their behaviour - it still won't do him any good if he is banned because of his skin colour/ethnic roots.
People should be let in and know that they will be ejected if caught persistently 'staring' or causing trouble - it needs more policing, a much better way than all the bad (and that's a mild term) publicity Qatar is getting.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
MagicDragon said
Abu, if you were driving a ...Abu, if you were driving a Bugatti would you mind being stared at??
MagicDragon said
Lifeisbeautiful, you say it: ...Lifeisbeautiful, you say it: There is a "private" space and there is the "public". And the "public" ain't no "private" space.
SPEED said
I agree with Abu and life ........... similar situatuion i have ...faced in past .... although my wife covers but these people never stop staring at any lady ... but one fact is that most of the local men and other Arab Nationals (mostly young boys) in the shopping malls do the same even worst .... they chase the young girls specially if she is alone ... i am sure most of you guys have witness the same in shopping malls and other public places ....
but am also against this 'Entry Ban' system .... they should find some other alternative ...
LifeisBeautiful said
MD..I agree... ...but everyone has a 'personal' space even in 'public' space...lol :))
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
MagicDragon said
Yes, life, but your ...Yes, life, but your "private" space ends where the "private" space of somebody else begins.
LifeisBeautiful said
Yes MD... ......and thats exactly where the solution to this problem lies...The 'bachelors' should improve their image by improving their behavior and the 'local families' should recognize the 'improvement and become more accomodating.This,I'am sure will be noticed by the authorities and 'Only for Familie' or 'Family Day' boards will become rarer. What say?
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
SPEED said
adey ... similar situation used to be in UAE in early 80's ...what they did ... they hired lots of people from different nationalities specially from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Egypt etc... and give them CID cards and offered them commission and rank in the CID if anyone bring such cases to the police station ...
Also media (Gulfnews) played vital role and they used to publish the photo of the person in the news paper with the title of the crime he did in public such as 'Caught Red handed while Teasing women in shopping Mall" "Man Caught Red handed while caught a woman" etc...
Yes Govt. and media played very good role and today UAE is much controlled and everyone is scared of the CID coz they know that every second person in the mall is from CID and once caught they will be jailed, deported and their photo will be published in the Media ....
I think Govt of Qatar and Media should do the same to control such situations... it might take little time but i am sure one day this will be undercontrol (not 100% but at least to some extend) .....
MagicDragon said
Long live the GESTAPO!! ...Long live the GESTAPO!!
LifeisBeautiful said
SPEED ...Your recommendation is quite reactive to say the least. Its like giving a upper hand to Law Enforcement and getting things done by coercion. The better way would be for the embassies of different countries,conducting a thorough 'Arrival Induction' on say a monthly basis and detailing out the cultural do's and don'ts to their countrymen.After all this is an Islamic State and people should understand the implications of such behavior. I would recommend this to the ministers next time I have a meeting with them this month.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
MagicDragon said
Another possibility, ...Another possibility, lifeisbeautiful, allow the "bachelors" to bring their wives and children, give them a decent place to live, and at least half of the "bachelors" won't be "bachelors" anymore.
Cammy said
so what can be done? ...if you or your wife are angry about being stared at it sounds like you are walking around the mall waiting for someone to stare so that you can pounce on them. is your life really that boring? why aren't you engaged in conversation with your wife? if you don't walk around looking at them to check whether they're staring, they won't look at you...it's that simple.
if your wife is covered AbuAmerican, i imagine that they are staring because it's quite unusual to see a white male with a covered female but i could be wrong.
does this mean that if I as a white western female complain about Arab and Western men staring at me that they will be banned too...because as lifeisbeautiful says, men seem to have this in-built urge to check out women. however, i would not limit this to men from the subcontinent only...
we have actually banned our students from entering with mobile phones with cameras as they were taking photos of female students. we do not have any asian bachelors studying with us...so go figure!
so, what can be done to help? it would be more useful if we could come up with a solution. these people come here believing that they will have a good job, earn money to send home and to be able to live life as normal. do you think they would come here if they knew the real situation? do you not think that they would leave the country if they were allowed to?
flanostu said
the answer is simple, let's ...the answer is simple, let's start cross dressing.
MagicDragon said
Yeah, flan, you should wear ...Yeah, flan, you should wear an abaya. Would be the first time then that you are stared at!
flanostu said
but MD, i wanna show off my ...but MD, i wanna show off my legs.
MagicDragon said
Make sure it swings open ...Make sure it swings open when you walk.
corleone said
just stand near a giant fan ...just stand near a giant fan
MagicDragon said
lol, corleone. ...lol, corleone.
LifeisBeautiful said
MD and Cammy ...I really appreciate your concerns for these 'bachelors' and I wonder how many of us really think as progressively as you guys do. MD,giving a 'Family Status' has a huge financial implication for the companies which hire these 'bachelors'. As a matter of fact,most compaies hire them coz they are cheaper than the married ones. The Emploment Offers of these man necessarily states 1. The Salary/Package and 2. Terms and Conditions wnich specify the rules governing their employment. I say why don't these men give a serious thought to everything before they decide to land up in a job. The point is,it's not their 'single' status which makes them do things to irritate them.It's just the culture and lack of disciplie in their home countries. Believe me,I have seen a lot of staring,commenting,grabing etc. to understand where the problem is. I'm an Indian and I'am proud to be one.It's just that fair is fair. Indian Bachelors need to mend their ways before they cry foul. It's just that they take freedom for granted and take indiscipline to the highest levels. We really deserve to get our butts kicked on that front. You just have to visit one of the metros in India to understand my frustration.
That said,Qatar authorities also need to understand that there is something called the Human Rights and that they are dealing with Normal People with emotions and feelings like themselves. Whipping and pushing can cause momentary discipline but it will not help in the long term.
The issue of westerners and arabs staring at women is not as big a problem as the oe with the people from subcontinent and egyptians. That's my honest two cent.
Life is Beautiful...Indeed!
MagicDragon said
"huge financial implication ..."huge financial implication for the companies", exactly. And that would make it impossible to have an economic growth as they have it now. But: it comes at the cost of reducing Human Rights. And, since Qatar was awarded by the UN for "observing" the Human Rights, I just wonder how much they paid. They are still on Tier 3, though, which is the worst!
corleone said
i thought the UN award was a ...i thought the UN award was a deal so they would stop using those small kids as camel jockeys?
MagicDragon said
A "deal". Sounds so ...A "deal". Sounds so convincing, corleone.
MagicDragon said
"tier rating: Tier 3 - ..."tier rating: Tier 3 - Qatar's rating was downgraded to Tier 3 in the 2007 report for continuing to detain and deport victims rather than providing them protection; the government also failed to increase prosecutions for trafficking in a meaningful way in 2006; workers complaining of working conditions or non-payment of wages were sometimes prosecuted under false charges in retaliation"
Source: CIA World Factbook 2008
Cammy said
are you joking lifeisbeautiful???? ...ha! terms and conditions...
my husband is nepali...we carefully went through his contract, from a well-known 5* hotel here, and asked for amendments etc to be written in. in its original form, it was barely decipherable to a native speaker. despite that, he is forced into working more hours than his contract states with varying degrees of overtime paid, and very few days off or faces deportation. we have been to ministry of labour, HRC etc and it makes no difference because he essentially has the wrong passport. Therefore, i totally disagree with you lifeisbeautiful.
i lived in nepal for nearly 3 years and travelled to india many times and was not approached or stared at as many times as i have been here by arabs and/or westerners as they seem to think it is their right to do so as i'm white and obviously used to it/can take it. they would never dare do that to a Qatari woman. and guess what, i survive being stared at. i still have two legs, arms, both eyes, ears etc and am fit and healthy so is it really the end of the world?
however, you're talking about Indians and maybe that's the difference. maybe Indians are as you say, "take freedom for granted and take indiscipline to the highest levels." such a huge generalisation to make about your own countrymen...I guess that patriotism is stronger where i come from!
i think your facts are wrong as well...all of the nepalis that we know here who are employed by the same companies you are talking about are married. there is no difference in their pay depending on marital status.
lifeisbeautiful you say "I say why don't these men give a serious thought to everything before they decide to land up in a job"...do you honestly think that manpower agents or the companies tell the men the working conditions? do you really think that the companies/agencies target people who are well-educated and can read/write to offer them jobs as a labourer? do you really think that they are given a contract in a language that they can read? do you think that all of them can read and have any idea what they are signing? do you really think that they are allowed to dispute anything that is different once they arrive? if you do, then the mind boggles and it's not worth discussing anymore. it would be of more use for you to go onto an Indian forum and tell people what they're getting into when they accept a job here...
cross-dressing may be one solution but do you think they can afford to buy an abaya?!
MagicDragon said
Why is everybody so quiet ...Why is everybody so quiet when the "facts" are on the table?
nadt said
"Whip them because they dont ..."Whip them because they dont undestand", hmm how nice.....Im with tallg, a boycott of the malls is a great idea..
MagicDragon said
I should start whipping ...I should start whipping QLers who don't "understand" my posts.
adey said
Cammy ...I applaud you.
you wrote at great length and in a reasoned and articulate manner, if I may can I shorten it to....
It is racist and wrong!
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
Cammy said
because... ...when the ministry officials interview the workers, they are under pressure to say that everything is ok. anyone who has spoken out where my husband works has then been dismissed and deported. despite having c*** jobs, most of the workers have sold their land/houses to come and work here. can you imagine having to go back home and explain to your family that you made a mistake of that magnitude?
the sad thing is that they could now be earning the same amount of money in their own countries if they were working the same hours as here...
what would you do if you were asked by someone and risked deportation and come from a very passive nation. also, the paperwork doesn't match up as workers are told to sign in but not sign out. therefore everything looks above board...this is true of the case i know but might not apply in other situations...
nadt said
MD, maybe Qlers dont ...MD, maybe Qlers dont understand because they just "stare" at your posts. Does that make you uncomfortable?
adey said
MD ...I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you.
"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365
not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the
many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers
were given. Satan - 10."
MagicDragon said
nadt, not at all, I'm used ...nadt, not at all, I'm used to it.
Cammy said
adey ...thanks for abridging my comment ;o) i guess that they will need reasoned arguments at some stage (maybe not on QL!) if they are to get any help
Mandilulur said
I know this sounds ...I know this sounds pathetically facile, but if I (as a blonde) feel I'm being stared at I simply avert/drop my eyes. Problem solved. Now if someone were to make a grab for me that would be a different matter. They'd find themselves on the floor with my boot in the back of their neck. I make a distinction between my problem and someone else's.
Mandi
corleone said
i could probably draw some ...i could probably draw some strained comparison between these bachelors and the whipping boys who used to be part of the king's courts in England. They're being whipped for no fault of their own, but for somebody else's faults.
The same way as the whipping boys were whipped mercilessly when the young princes skipped lessons, or for whatever mischief they committed.
baldrick2dogs said
Racism rules! ...As a bachelor, I went to Salam Stores this morning. As a bachelor I was welcomed into the place by the guards. As a bachelor I spent over 3 grand on a new camera lens and camera bag .... that is where the difference lies, and that, unfortunately, is why some bachelors get better treatment than others. It sucks, but it's life.
Did you Google it first?
Qatash1 said
Racism ...How can this country progress with this kind of apartheid going on?
Eid is the time for all to enjoy and spend time together. How can this government turn a blind eye to this injustice towards "bachelors" who worked hard to build this country?
As long as there are stupid people like 'life is beautiful' around, I guess this will go on.
britexpat said
There is a very simple answer.. ...If we all belive so strongly ythat these workers are being abused, then boycott the family days..
Surely that wil;l send a message to the malls.
chelsea_5706 said
spot on cammy! ...You're right about the laborers. What they are experiencing sucks actually. Where is lifeisbeautiful now anyway after u said that comment?! Is he in the mall now?!he's not talking.LOL
And Adey,Yah,ITS JUST ALL ABOUT RACISM.thats the root cause as far as I could see.
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