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Portuguese traditional music "Fado"

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"Despite all these visible traces, for me there is still no better indication of the Arab contribution to Portuguese life than what can be heard in a long and heartfelt fado. Although its modern form is urban and it developed, as we know it, only in the 19th century, it is increasingly performed throughout the towns of Algarve, albeit largely for tourists.

Fado is perhaps most appropriately performed at night. Then, when a fadista pours out her soul to remind us of all we cannot know, cannot control, cannot understand our love, our histories inevitably recalls for me the gripping, expansive longs of the Arabs who once called this land home, and whose influences remain today."

Source: www.islamcity.com

Two days ago i posted about the Arab heritage at Portugal.
Picking up on same site i copy/paste the above partial text, to all my Qatari/non Qatari friends from QL, i decided to post some links with Fado. If you like these links, search for Amalia Rodrigues and Alfredo Marceneiro at youtube.

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If anyone enjoys, feal free to pm me or if too many ppl, i make a new post.

lusitano's picture

lusitano said Eu diria que e' necessario ...

Eu diria que e' necessario trazer na alma, uma bagagem de seculos da nossa cultura e existencia, para se poder sentir o que e' o fado!


 

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El Zohiry said Nice ...

i like this....

 

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Platao36 said Lusitano : Sim, tens razão, ...

Lusitano : Sim, tens razão, mas como li que o fado está de alguma forma ligado à musica tradicional arabe decidi dar uma oportunidade às pessoas de o conhecerem :)

Translation to english:

Lusitano: Yes, you are right, but i read that Fado is connected, in a certain way, to arabic tradicional music, i decided to give a chance to people to know it.

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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Platao36 said Thanks El Zohiry :) Only God ...

Thanks El Zohiry :)

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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lusitano said E fizeste muito bem.... As ...

E fizeste muito bem....
As raizes poderao ser as mesmas... mas a forma como evoluiu o fado (liberto na sua forma de se exprimir, na forma de amar) nao tem nada a haver ( e ainda bem) com a realidade castrante que a religiao introduziu nesta cultura!

 

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Platao36 said Exacto, a questão não ...

Exacto, a questão não será exactamente a religião mas sim mas a própria cultura árabe. Os muçulmanos na Europa são diferentes dos dessa zona.

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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lusitano said Uma questao interessante, ...

Uma questao interessante, seria a de analizar a cultura arabe antes e apos o islao. Decerto poderiamos concluir que a introducao do islao veio a afectar em muitos niveis a essencia dessa cultura (bem como todas as outras religioes o fizeram noutras culturas).

 

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Platao36 said Sim, mas a questão é que ...

Sim, mas a questão é que quando os árabes começaram a ficar para tráz foi quando começaram a practicar exatamente como tinha acontecido quando o Maomé era vivo e foram sempre vivendo de acordo com essas regras e nunca evoluiram

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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lusitano said concordo contigo! concluimos ...

concordo contigo!
concluimos a conversa por aqui, pois aqui nao nos e' permitido verbalizar e compatilhar em publico, pensamentos desse genero.
ja' a "nossasenhora" diz e com razao:

"Poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another."

e por essa analogia, nunca vi tanta gente tao "pobre", como aqui!

PS. So por curiosidade, vives em Portugal, nao e'? O que te levou a participar neste forum? Estas a planear vir para o Qatar?

 

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Platao36 said Lol, vivo em Portugal mas a ...

Lol, vivo em Portugal mas a minha namorada é marroquina, se decidirmos casar terei de me converter e vim aprender mais sobre a cultura árabe :)
Podemos falar de religião, somos livres para o fazer no forum ;)

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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lusitano said A liberdade aqui (no forum e ...

A liberdade aqui (no forum e no pais), e' condicionada.

Entao nao te podes casar com a tua namorada sem te converteres? E porque nao ela se converter?

Na realidade nao e' necessario, cada um pode conservar as suas conviccoes religiosas. Tenho pessoas na familia com casamentos cristao-muculmano e nenhum dos 2 se converteu.

Pessoalmente, nao pratico nenhuma religiao mas respeito as conviccoes de cada um, desde que estas nao se tornem invasivas e agressivas, o que infelizmente e' muito frequente ver-se nos que practicam o islao. Talvez nao seja inteiramente culpa da religiao em si, mas das interpretacoes fanaticas.

qq dos modos acho que a religiao deveria ser algo de pessoal e nao show bizz que e' o caso de muitas.
aqui e' um horror constatar o desrespeito, abusos, mentira, agressividade, racismo, sociedade de classes com quase escravos, etc... e o contratste da obcessao em manter uma fachada hipocrita e puritana de "praticas" sem qq valor espiritual ou aplicacao pratica na vida. aqui a verdadeira religiao que comanda a vida e' a sede pela ostentacao e o material!

Vivi alguns anos no sudeste asiatico, onde sao mais visiveis o budismo e derivantes do confuciocismo e taoismo... religioes que se apresentam respeitadoreas de todos e sao praticadas de forma intima, pacifica e nao invasivas...
Transmitem a qualquer observador, de forma passiva, uma serenidade, paz e calmaria. Sente-se uma certa espirituualidade sem que os praticantes nos forcem a pratica-la ou a percebe-la.
Tornam-se assim atraentes aos olhos de quem as nao conhece e estejam em contacto proximo com elas.
Aqui, esta religiao e' precisamente o contrario, agressividade e hipocresia imperam. Todos julgam todos, por isso nao se torna atraente aos que nao a praticam, chegando por vezes (sem o querer) criar repulsa.
Se necessitasse de praticar uma religiao, talvez optasse pelo budismo... uma filosofia que se aproxima dos meus valores.


 

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Platao36 said Tambem admiro o Budismo. A ...

Tambem admiro o Budismo.
A questão com a conversão é a merda da lei de Marrocos e a estupidez de a familia ser tão importante no Islão

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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lusitano said cuidado! :) ...

cuidado!
:)

 

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Platao36 said lol, yeah, mas como nunca ...

lol, yeah, mas como nunca fui religioso e tb sei que os muçulmanos aqui em Portugal são diferentes dos de aí.

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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Rassadko said MaRROCOS ...

Hi

Why don't you get married in Portugal, like that you don't need to be converted.

But there is some kind of contradiction in one thing, despite your comments, you still sign in arabic.

Deviam manter a dialgo em ingles, uma vez que ninguem vos percebe, e nao vais aprender grande coisa assim.

Check mate.....

 

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Rassadko said Fado ...

Estranha forma de vida

Antes da cultura arabe ser assimilada pelo islao, nao passavam de grupos belicos isolados.
O Islao veio ajudar e evoluir toda esta cultura, nao atrasar.
O problema do mundo arabe foi o fundamentalismo cristao, ou seja...nos, que atacamos e destruimos, e mantivemos esta cultura, sob o dominio ocidental, atravez da repressao e violencia ate finais da II Guerra Mundial.
Unicamente como sendo mais evoluidos e unidos com o Islao que os africanos, ou Sul americanos resistiram muito mais.

Nao seja-mos tb fundamentalistas

Check mate.....

 

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janeyjaney said Mozambiqan beats are really ...

Mozambiqan beats are really nice to listen to!!

 

Rassadko's picture

Rassadko said Mariza ...

This is our late pearl in the portuguese Fado

have a look

http://www.youtube.c...

Check mate.....

 

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Platao36 said Rass: her familly wouldn't ...

Rass: her familly wouldn't allow it

janey: Mozambicam beats are completelly different from Fado but all Africa has nice beats.

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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Rassadko said Alcacer Quibir ...

Precisamos de outra Alcacer Quibir, mas em vez de deixar-mos la o Rei, traze-mos a Rainha

Good luck Platao

Check mate.....

 

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Platao36 said Obrigado :) thanks :) Only ...

Obrigado :)

thanks :)

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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lusitano said Rassadko, Admiro os teus ...

Rassadko,
Admiro os teus conhecimentos de Historia, congrats!

 

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Rassadko said Boas ...

A nossa historia e uma caixa de surpresas,e para ser sincero fonte de orgulho.

sempre um prazer descobrir algo mais

keep cool

Check mate.....

 

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Platao36 said Yeah, além de termos sido a ...

Yeah, além de termos sido a 1ª aldeia global do mundo ;)

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

eu61's picture

eu61 said eu diria? que diria ...

eu diria?

que diria eu?

LOL

War looking for peace,
is like fornication looking for virginity.

 

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Platao36 said lol :) Only God Can Judge ...

lol :)

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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vortice75 said Bem, em ingles por cortesia ...

Bem, em ingles por cortesia aos restantes leitores:

Well, returning to the first message: fado and tradicional arab music, at least they both share the several time repetitions of the same frase in different tones, and the same kind of voice. They are in deed very similar, as result of 400 years of arab culture under bagdad califa and then cordoba califa.

Portuguese are a certainly a unique blend, celtic, romans, visigods, arabs, african, south american, indian and far east.

Abraços!
Peace upon you.


 

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Platao36 said Thanks vortice, someone once ...

Thanks vortice, someone once said here at forum that the portuguese aren't descendent from arabs, so i went to "Google" for arabic influence in the Iberian Peninsule and found out about fado and traditional arabic music :)

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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vortice75 said you are right, there is not ...

you are right, there is not a straight line between portuguese and arab people, but we certainly share a lot, including language!

Imagine how would it be possible to have arab culture for 400 years, and not have genetic heritage in our days...

In a recent visit to doha, I grew my beard, and everebody would speak to me in arabic... people were hard to believe I wasn't arab.

besides that, just until 500 to 300 years ago we might have kept some genetic and cultural exchange as we had a continuous trading presence in Barhain and Oman, just before the british assumed a stronger presence.


 

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Platao36 said Well, same happened to me in ...

Well, same happened to me in Casablanca when i was dressing a traditional morroquian suit :)

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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lusitano said de facto muita gente aqui em ...

de facto muita gente aqui em Doha se dirigem a mim em arabe!

 

Platao36's picture

Platao36 said lol, that's because we are ...

lol, that's because we are very similar to them, if you see my granny pic, you'll notice that she has the same curly hair and darker skin that all arab or berber woman has

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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vortice75 said O Fado nasceu um dia, quando ...

O Fado nasceu um dia,
quando o vento mal bulia
e o céu o mar prolongava,
na amurada dum veleiro,
no peito dum marinheiro
que, estando triste, cantava,
que, estando triste, cantava.

The Fado was born one day,
when the wind barely blowed
and the sky extended the sea ,
on the side of a sailboat,
inside the chest of a sailor
that being sad, sang,
that being sad, sang

You can find a modern version of it in:
http://www.youtube.c...

or search youtube for: gaivota amalia hoje

 

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vortice75 said sorry guys wrong link this ...

sorry guys
wrong link
this is the one:
http://www.youtube.c...

or search youtube for: fado portugues

Desculpem... baralhei-me!


 

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Happy Happy said Platao36 ...Portuguese Singer Dulce Pontes .. ...

Dulce Pontes, is this name familiar to you? I like her, she sings in native Portuguese, it sounds Spanish to my ears, sometimes.

She paired up with Italian Andrea Bocelli in "O Mare e Tu", she grabbed my attention ever since.

Great post.
Salam


 

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vortice75 said yes Dulce Pontes is one most ...

yes Dulce Pontes is one most recognized singers of portuguese tradicional music. She also recorded an albun with Enio Morricone, you might enjoy it!


 

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Happy Happy said vortice75 Thanks for the Tip ...

I'll check it out, she's a great vocalist and a talented musician.

Salam


 

Platao36's picture

Platao36 said Happy: Yes, she's the most ...

Happy: Yes, she's the most famous fado singer from the new generation of fado singers

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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Happy Happy said Platao36 ...Fado Music.. ...

I knew I had it in me, Fado music that is..:)

Thanks for the post.
Salam

 

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Platao36 said Happy: If you want i can ...

Happy: If you want i can send you her last release

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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Happy Happy said Platao36...Very Kind of You ...

Very kind of you indeed. Don't worry about me, I know how to navigate my way to get my music..:)

Salam

 

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Platao36 said Ok, :) Will let you know ...

Ok, :)
Will let you know when she releases a new one or want the name of the last one?

Ayman

Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

 

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Happy Happy said Platao36 ...Pontes Latest in 08? ...

Is this her latest?

http://www.amazon.co...

Salam


 

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vortice75 said one more ...

one more example:
http://www.youtube.c...

 

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