Cleric married to 12 year old girl

never mind.

Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!

- Jalaluddin al-Rumi

This guy is cool. All he does is using the 'loop holes' that laws provide.

one young soul destroyed again.

"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"

Abu...why are you lost? An old man marries a child....pretty clear to me...

You mess with the cat, you get the claws....

its a variation of the statement "I'm at a loss for words".
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well......to me,its no news.I av seen dis happened before

Interfering with them is exactly what he is doing. Poor girls. Another word is PAEDOPHILIA.

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Ok first- where on earth in the states are you living that 12 year old girls with babies is so common you could call it the norm??? i just moved here and i have to tell you, in Canada at least, a pregnant 12 year old would raise MORE than a few eyebrows!

Also, I don't buy any of that religious tripe- it's a justification for a crime that will cause long term damages to the CHILD involved. I don't care if she 'agreed'- she's a child. she cannot agree or give consent, she can't POSSIBLY understand the full ramifications of what she's doing.
Furthermore, do you really think she could make a decision or her own? NO. there would be pressures from all sorts of authority figures that would remove any chance of her making a logical and rational decision.
Regardless of the laws or customs of that country or community, the International rights of the child and human decency do apply, and this is just wrong.

Cut his Veins .. You know which ones i meant.

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perv... tosser....

CRAP ....... :(

paedophile...whatelse...

No matter what veil he hides behind

to hide behind.

He's also a dirty old man. Probably ugly and desparate so he has to pick on children and abuse his power over them.

He probably also has bad breath and body odour as no woman with a free choice will waste time with him.

Arien, I think they should first cut some other "things" as well.

This is what happens when good men do nothing.

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'experimenting'?????ROFL......

Keep smiling!

Saggi!

What i hate the most, How they manipulate Religion either Christian or Islamic to cover-up their evilness.

“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”

doesn't make it right today!

If it's wrong, it's wrong, no matter how many times you or anyone else commits the crime. We are not animals or are some of us?

Imagine if you were married off as a kid and all your friends laughed at you because you were paedophiled by a dirty old man with bad breath, body odor and excesive body hair. How do you think you'd feel? Full of self esteem?

Agree with Qwertyness 100%. You married off kids at 12 1600 years ago cause the averge person died at 35/40. Average age of death now is 70's or 80's. No need to marry off so young.

as in b**ls cut off...

in one of hotels in Swiss:

"Children age 11 and under stay free in the room with parents and in existing bedding. Children over this age will be considered an adult" LOL!!!

Teen pregnancy is so common in western countries.. So many unwed mothers out there on the streets.. Then why do people lambast Muslims when they are doing something absolutely halal... Don't you think it is better to be married and have a legimate child at 13 instead of being an unwed mother giving birth to a B----d?

why don't people have the common sense to understand that a female body is not yet prepared to bear a child at such a young age!hell,even her reproductive organs aren't fully developed,for God's sake!marrying her off and expecting her to bear a child at that age is equivalent to killing the girl!both physically and emotionally.....it's crazy!

Keep smiling!

Saggi!

The teenage birth rate in the United States is the highest in the developed world, and the teenage abortion rate is also high.[3] The U.S. teenage pregnancy rate was at a high in the 1950s and has decreased since then, although there has been an increase in births out of wedlock.[11] The teenage pregnancy rate decreased significantly in the 1990s; this decline manifested across all racial groups, although teenagers of African-American and Hispanic descent retain a higher rate, in comparison to that of European-Americans and Asian-Americans. The Guttmacher Institute attributed about 25% of the decline to abstinence and 75% to the effective use of contraceptives.[12] [13] However, as of 2006 the teenage birth rate began to rise once again for the first time in fourteen years.[14] This could imply that teen pregnancy rates are also on the rise, however the rise could also be due to other sources: a possible decrease in the number of abortions or a decrease in the number of miscarraiges, to name a few. The Canadian teenage birth has also trended towards a steady decline for both younger (15-17) and older (18-19) teens in the period between 1992-2002.[15]

According to the Family Research Council, studies in the US indicate that age discrepancy between the teenage girls and the men who impregnate them is an important contributing factor. Teenage girls in relationships with older boys, and in particular with adult men, are more likely to become pregnant than teenage girls in relationships with boys their own age. They are also more likely to carry the baby to term rather than have an abortion. A review of California's 1990 vital statistics found that men older than high school age fathered 77 percent of all births to high school-aged girls (ages 16-18), and 51 percent of births to junior high school-aged girls (15 and younger). Men over age 25 fathered twice as many children of teenage mothers than boys under age 18, and men over age 20 fathered five times as many children of junior high school-aged girls as did junior high school-aged boys. A 1992 Washington state study of 535 adolescent mothers found that 62 percent of the mothers had a history of being raped or sexual molested by men whose ages averaged 27 years. This study found that, compared with nonabused mothers, abused adolescent mothers initiated sex earlier, had sex with much older partners, and engaged in riskier, more frequent, and promiscuous sex. Studies by the Population Reference Bureau and the National Center for Health Statistics found that about two-thirds of children born to teenage girls in the United States are fathered by adult men age 20 or older.[28]

Kareena, if Islam/Muslims care so much about the well being of mother and child,to marry them off to be taken care of, shouldn't they also care about not treating the girl as an adult when she clearly is not one ?

You mess with the cat, you get the claws....

It's not important whether I approve it or not. But I am still curious about the "cut off age" for adult in other countries / societies. Hmm I hope people get my point

Kareena, logicsays..
Would you marry your 12 yr old daughter to a 40 yr old man?
PM, Alexa (I presume muslims), etc
For God's sake would you say What Prophet himself did was wrong?

Don't burn your heads...

the age where the girl turn into a woman varies from place to place, from country to country & from race to race..
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women grow faster in hot places that cold places, faster in low pressure areas than high pressure areas, & they grow faster if they were conceived at a young age..
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in Saudi Arabia for EXAMPLE.. only EXAMPLE.. just sayin it.. there are 12 or 13 years old girls who r fully developed & can get pregnant & have children & rase them in FULL health without any trouble..
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but see in Russia for EXAMPLE.. girls turn into women at around 16 & 17 years old.. ..

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what i just said is Scientificly Proved.. u can check it out..
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i ain't defendin anyone.. just telling the truth..

well-said......whether their bodies are fully grown or not,their minds are still childish at 12 and 13....IMHO

Keep smiling!

Saggi!

this is absolutely disguisting...

stupidity. 12 years old girl whether she is grown up or not her mind is still a childish. and that too a 40 year old man she agreed to marry means her parents might have got bundle of currency. at the age of 12 what she can decide and what she knew about marriage. it is absolutely stupdity in this new generation. i think pleting stone is enough punishment. public of his country should come forward and throw stone.

you know what, reforming Sharia law would probably actually HELP Islam, at least insofar as the perception by the non-islamic world goes. It's using relgiion as justifications for crimes like this that give Islam a bad name.

and I'm sorry, getting married will NOT make them any safer, or help them take care of THEMSELVES (I reject the notion women need a husband or father to take care of her) than teens who don't.

and if you're so worried about teen pregnancy, SURELY marrying them off to horny old men who's whole point is to get them pregnant and breed them like underage cattle sort of defeats the purpose, right?

I think you're forgetting a third option there american muslim- NOT getting pregnant! It's not a choice between having a bastard (what IS the big deal anyway? Lots of women ahve kids without having a husband.......) or getting married. At 14, I think it's too young for either. And girls shoudl be educated to protect themselves- and that doesn't mean being restricted to simply abstinence education. all that leads to is A LOT more teen pregnancy than there needs to be! I think if the USA were a little more free and easy with the handing out of the condoms their teen pregnancy rates would be lower....

let's allow our girls to be full, functioning people, giving them the education and support to make their own choices!

sorry I got sidetracked- somoen made a post further up about teen pregnancy stats, and it sort of went off on a tangent about how it was better for girls to be married off young to avoid those things.

Strange how one man´s peodphile is another man´s religeous rights

just eat another pie

mmmm thats called bending the rules.....

There should be a law prohibiting under aged marriages.

On the other hand marriage is every one's own personal matter.

the point is that "marriage" in the religious sense is essentially no different to a casual relationship

a man can marry numerous wives, consummate the marriage, then divorce his wives and find new ones. All within the legal framework or religion. He might even be worthy of applause if he does so.

But two people have casual sex, break up and move on, and it is a "decadent, evil, illicit, wicked practice" which degrades society.

There is a mass delusion creeping across the face of this planet, and I don't know where it will end.

And another thing, I am heartily sick of all the triumphalist pro-religious threads on this website.

I'm sure that when the Shariah gets updated, will be harder to use religion as excuse to such acts

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I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
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Adnan, yes, one CAN say that...particularly if a middle aged man marries a child. That IS immoral, no matter what.

You mess with the cat, you get the claws....

One flaw with religion is that society expects everyone to follow a 'moral code' inherited from the ancients, in which the act of marriage is the only acceptable way to have sex. So, you can marry multiple times, get multiple divorces, marry underage, you can even beat your wife, just so long as you use the magic word MARRIAGE then you're fine and no-one is allowed to criticise you. But if you have a casual ('illicit') relationship, in some parts of the world you are to be deemed a criminal and should be locked up even though you have not hurt anyone at all.

This kind of situation shows clearly that it is necessary to renegotiate traditional ideas of morality to suit existing problems. Secular societies which have done this usually agree on one essential thing: what human laws must do is to prevent HARM from being done, not whether it is in accordance with some ancient system of 'morality' that everybody happens to accept because they are forbidden to negotiate it or change it - those who try to receive all kinds of insults and threats - even up to death threats.

But what if a society said, look it's none of our business who you have consensual sex with, as such, but what we are VERY concerned about is HARM being caused to others. So, we will make it illegal for sexual acts with those under a certain age to take place because the welfare of children under a certain age is damaged by sexual interference by older adults.

Taking 'harm' as the guiding force for lawmaking in the modern world, and setting aside 'traditional morality', will actually free us up to A) respect individual choices and preferences regardless of what we do or don't believe; B) address modern scenarios and problems; C) improve the essentially flawed nature of traditional moral codes which do not always prevent HARM from being done (in fact, they cause far more harm than they do good, in my view.)

And I tell you, adnan, that it is much easier and cheaper in Islam to divorce than in Germany according to the law. So, who is "protecting" society?

I didn't talk about the cost. It is much harder than in Islam because you have to have a reason. And the court does not accept what Sharia courts accept. I know, I went through a divorce.