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Daniel Bartlam killed his mother Jacqueline after a row in the middle of the night
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A 15-year-old boy who murdered his mother with a hammer and set her body on fire has been detained for a minimum of 16 years.
Daniel Bartlam had denied murder but admitted the manslaughter of his mother, Jacqueline Bartlam, following a row at their Nottinghamshire home.
Nottingham Crown Court was told she had been beaten seven times with a claw hammer, fracturing her face and skull.
A soap opera murder plot and violent TV clips were found on Daniel's computer.
Reporting restrictions preventing identification of the teenager were lifted by the court following his sentencing.
Mrs Bartlam, 47, was discovered by fire crews at her home in Georgia Drive, Redhill, Nottinghamshire, in the early hours of 25 April 2011.
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After being beaten, her body was then padded with paper, covered in petrol and set on fire, the court heard.
Daniel, who was 14 at the time of the killing, told police an intruder had killed his mother but detectives found a written "soap opera plot" on his computer in which he fantasised about his character carrying out a killing.
Jacqueline Bartlam was struck with a claw hammer seven times
The court heard he had been particularly interested in a Coronation Street storyline involving the character John Stape.
In the soap, Stape had murdered a woman with a hammer and then left her body in the wreckage of a tram crash.
It was also revealed Daniel had been watching violent horror films since he was eight and had viewed the film Saw hours before killing his mother.
The teenager claimed he had been provoked into violence when his mother called him "a freak" during their argument.
He was found guilty of murder at Nottingham Crown Court on 9 February.
The jury heard authorities raised concerns about the boy's behaviour in the months before the attack.
He told a counsellor voices were telling him to hurt people and that he had had visions of killing people, the court was told.
'Chilling violence'
However, several experts had concluded Daniel was not mentally ill and did not pose a risk.
Judge Julian Flaux described the killing as "grotesque" and "senseless" and said it seemed like the teenager wanted to "get away with the perfect murder".
Det Ch Insp Kate Meynell, who led the murder inquiry, said after sentencing: "The level of violence, degree of planning and extent of his lies is not only shocking, but it is also chilling that a boy of 14 could do this.
Detective chief inspector Kate Meynell: ''He stopped at nothing to try and get himself off the charges he was facing''
"You can only imagine the impact that this has had on Jacqueline's family, and having spent time with them throughout the investigation and subsequent legal proceedings, I know this is going to be very difficult, if not impossible, for them to come to terms with.
"This murder has devastated everyone involved. There is only one person who knows why it happened, and Daniel has lied consistently throughout, making attempts to besmirch Jacqueline's character.
"Everyone who knew her knew she lived for her children and was a warm, loving mother.
"Maybe one day Daniel will tell the truth, as there are several gaps that only he can fill."
A statement issued on behalf of the family said: "We find it so hard to explain what we are going through.
Daniel tried to destroy evidence by lighting a fire
"There are no winners here because not only have we lost Jacqui, but we have lost Daniel too because of what he's done.
"We know it was the right result at court, but trying to understand how a boy you have loved for 14 years can do something like this is so difficult.
"To find out that Daniel planned to kill his own mother and then hear all the details, it is all so hard to believe.
"The most difficult part for us and something that only Daniel can answer is 'why?'"
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Bachus said
What is the point of this? ...What is the point of this? This happened in England. Are we in danger of the murderer moving to Doha?
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
we have citizens of england ...we have citizens of england residing here n they need to be updated TFS
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jjj75 said
irrelevant. Also, it always ...irrelevant. Also, it always perplexes me here that violence on TV and movies is rampant yet they censure kissing (last time I went to the cinema to watch a Bond film, they cut the kissing scene so badly that the film made no sense after that) - there tried to bring it back round to Qatar for you all.
shisha202 said
Bachu its not about a ...Bachu its not about a murderer moving to Doha ...its about how/why a 14 yr old can/need do this to his mom...
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
why r the teens so aggressive ...why r the teens so aggressive there
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MUSE said
No Bachus... i think its a ...No Bachus... i think its a nice post to read... but so sad that someone can do that to his own mother...we wonder why?
jjj75 said
BG - unlike the teens here in ...BG - unlike the teens here in their fast cars driving aggressively??
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
again u hijacked the topic so ...again u hijacked the topic so let me tell u they dont kill their parents
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MarcoNandoz-01 said
Sheisha. No sane human being ...Sheisha. No sane human being would kill his own mother. It’s a sickness. The boy told 3 or 4 different doctor’s weeks before the incident took place that he done it that he heard voices telling him to kill and them more or less told him there was nothing wrong
The reality is there is no sufficient help for people with mental issues all around the world to get seen in hurry and definitely the UK is as far behind from being sufficient as those other countries.
I have a friend from X country with mental problems and he have to wait months, sometimes over a year, before he is seen by an "expert"
I pity the boy and will pray for his poor mom.
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jjj75 said
BG - there is an awful lot ...BG - there is an awful lot that goes on here that neither you nor I know about.
I have a friend that was kidnapped and badly beaten up by a Local man in his early 20's. She was in hospital for weeks with internal bleeding, broken bones etc.
the police captain advised her it was in the best interests of all 'not to pursue it' To this day, years later, neither a whisper of it was ever in the paper nor did this person ever servce any time in prison. Violence does happen here but we, most of the time, will never get wind of it.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
jjj75 pls stop hijacking n ...jjj75 pls stop hijacking n open another forum if u got to share sumthing
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
i in my wildest dreams wont ...i in my wildest dreams wont harm my mother or anyone else mother under any circumstances ( even while watching horror movies )
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jjj75 said
BG - actually, I was trying ...BG - actually, I was trying to help the OP by bringing it round to Qatar, otherwise I fail to see what relevance is has to Qatar Living - I am performing a public Service.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
u can help on ur own ...u can help on ur own individual forum and u have no links to ur stories it always on "hearing" basis
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shisha202 said
jjj75 wanna know y i posted ...jjj75 wanna know y i posted this in QL...to warn people out here that world has changed a lot and to take care of their kids activity too....
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
yes thanks shisha the parents ...yes thanks shisha the parents out there need to be safe from their own children
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Miss Mimi said
Yesss...because kids never ...Yesss...because kids never used to kill their parents in the past....
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
jjj75 said
BG - I think you got into ...BG - I think you got into trouble for calling me the L word yesterday so don't try it again today. So, how can it be hear say when you actually know someone personally who this has happened to? I think it is disgusting that you take beating a woman up so lightly that you think it is made up, that makes me sick.
Ps please look up the definition of hearsay, you obviously need a lesson in semantics
smoke said
Now we will have to hear ...Now we will have to hear about why soaps are bad for kids and that its the parents fault for getting in a row with their kid. Or perhaps its the hammers fault for being in the wrong hands at the wrong time?
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!
shisha202 said
BG no one is safe .. ...BG no one is safe ..
MarcoNandoz-01 said
Jjj75 said: There are a whole ...Jjj75 said: There are a whole bunch of irrelevant threads posted on Qatarliving every day. People start complaining about the irrelevancy of a thread and cry foul only when the thread is hitting close from home.
Well at least the OP has his done his homework and provided the source link to his story.
What’s the source of your story JJJ75?
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smoke said
Marco every story does not ...Marco every story does not need to have a source and esp in Qatar every story does not get reported...its a fact, lets not jump and catch the bull by the tail.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
source is hearing :( ...source is hearing :(
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jjj75 said
Known to me personally, is ...Known to me personally, is that close enough for you, or do I have to give the name of the person involved? MN, it is not nice that someone is basically telling you that what you say is false - I have never said that about a fellow QL'r no matter how offensive their comments.
Please note that hearsay is defined as not something you here or see or experience first hand. As I did see this first hand, it is not hearsay.
jjj75 said
MM - Lizzie Borden??? ...MM - Lizzie Borden???
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
i have many stories to share ...i have many stories to share on hearing basis but the mods wont consider it n neither the mighty ones will admit to it
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smoke said
Triple J its no use wasting a ...Triple J its no use wasting a breath over this..trust me you will just be offering your head to the wall to be banged and bashed.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!
MarcoNandoz-01 said
Any thread that has no source ...Any thread that has no source or link for readers to closely examine and cross check its contents is unreliable and cannot be taken seriously.
Well. At least to me.
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Missteacher said
So sad :( The boy must have ...So sad :( The boy must have been very sick in the head
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
MN yup the stories based on ...MN yup the stories based on hearing basis
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smoke said
Marco yes when you are ...Marco yes when you are posting something on an online forum as a thread for discussion source is relevant. When you are narrating a personal incident tell me where would u like the source to come from?
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cherukkan said
There are plenty of QLers who ...There are plenty of QLers who are interested to read and comment the posts which are irrelevant to many others.
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jjj75 said
Smoke - also, if they allowed ...Smoke - also, if they allowed things to be reported in the newspapers, as the incident that I recounted almost certainly should have been, I would have a source! But as it is, we live where we live and let us not print anything that may look bad for a local, despite my friend who will live in constant pain for the rest of her life and never mind the mental harm it has done her, just so long as this is not reported.
MarcoNandoz-01 said
jjj75: This is a very ...jjj75: This is a very serious accusation/allegation you are making in a public forum (woman kidnapped and beaten up) is not same like a taxi driver got egged or some local kid pushed in on a KFC queue. And you were the only witness in this case? Did you report the case to the Capital Police Department?
How am I supposed to believe all that? I’m not accusing you of telling a "Lie"
I’m simply asking you to back up your story and present evidence.
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
lol evidence ...lol evidence u need to believe her n her stories or else u will u b in big trouble
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jjj75 said
MN - it was the police who ...MN - it was the police who told her to drop it. I believe she did change her mind later and decided to pursue it but she is not finding it an easy road to travel. She now really prefers not to discuss it as it is a difficult topic for her. As I have not implicated anyone by naming names, there are no allegations to make. i was trying to make a point that violence happen everywhere, UK, Europe North America. This is not a new phenomenon, as I pointed out to MM with the infamous Lizzie Borden case in America (accused of hatcheting her parents to death).
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
back to topic why wld one ...back to topic why wld one want to kill his own mother, after this incident all parents need take precautions against their own kids
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Korly said
MarcoN ...I can guarentee you that this story and many others are true.
Living with a local family, I hear many things that happen in Qatar that are never reported. I have seen and experienced things here that would shock even open minded westerners, but does anything get done about it? NO.
Who cares anyway... its their country isn't it?
Captain_Lost said
That is some sick kid.. : Im ...That is some sick kid.. :
Im sure no sane person would do ever do that .. its sad :(
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
another hijacker the topic or ...another hijacker the topic or incident is no way related to qatar and again no evidence or proof of the things happened n never reported
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jjj75 said
BG - another story for ...BG - another story for you
http://www.dailymail...
MarcoNandoz-01 said
jjj75 : Yes I can't agree ...jjj75 : Yes I can't agree more. Violence is not a new phenomena and Qatar being part of this big world is definitely not an exception.
However I think you do agree with me that living in Qatar it’s much safer than many other countries.
Mine included.
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2020 Olympics said
Very said for a society to ...Very said for a society to have such a thing in its midst.
Marco--this is their style of argument. Documented murder or other bad think happens in their country; they say similar things happen in Qatar with NO EVIDENCE as a way to hijack the thread.
btw--most assaults against women in the UK go unreported as well.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
violation of guidelines ur ...violation of guidelines ur going on hijacking the topic n still not warned sumtimes i too wish to have a green card u get wasta on ql too
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2020 Olympics said
A very reasonable response ...A very reasonable response Marco. I await the Unreasonable reply.
flor1212 said
Maybe the boy was not properly raised ...you know, "child abuse" and "protection" things?
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jjj75 said
Actually - there are thing ...Actually - there are thing that happen at RLF that would also make your hair curl that never get reported. Again, I personally know this because i had a friend who was Ex Navy and chief SHE manager up there, suicides murders etc but again, I am sure I will be called a a liar etc
2020 - she did report the assault, she was told by the police to drop it!
MN, define safe, you cannot use that term in such a blanket fashion. road deaths per 100,000 are 800% higher than the UK, this I do not call safe.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
murdered his mother with a ...murdered his mother with a hammer and set her body on fire omg he had the guts to do all this to his mom who gave birth to him
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Missteacher said
Yes flor1212 - With cases ...Yes flor1212 - With cases such like in the film, Precious (for example),there are cases where parent's are mentally, psychologically, physically and sometimes sexually abusing their kids. In cases like these where the kids finally take no more and commit murder, although not right, I can understand why they may commit this crime.
However, if it is just over a silly argument like the story suggests above then it really is a very different matter, and a scary one at that!
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shisha202 said
jjj75 in every country there ...jjj75 in every country there are many unreported crimes which means that Qatar is no exemption, and yeah ofcourse there r many crimes which are settled outside the court...you can open a seperate forum to discuss that n dont hijack the topic ...
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
neither the parents can trust ...neither the parents can trust their children nor the kids can rely on their parents as they risk the babies life in the hands of dangerous nannies
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Miss Mimi said
I highly doubt that he killed ...I highly doubt that he killed her because of an argument or because he watched violent movies. Obviously he was mentally unstable (remember that the court's definition of insanity is if the murderer is aware of what he's done and aware that what he's done is wrong) or suffered from abuse, more likely both.
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jjj75 said
shisha - I was trying to do ...shisha - I was trying to do you a favour by bringing it back round to Qatar - after all, this is Qatar living???
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
so openly ur challenging the ...so openly ur challenging the mods u can hijack the topic as u like
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jjj75 said
BG - I don't think that ...BG - I don't think that anyone is challenging the MODs?
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
lol according to miss mimi ...lol according to miss mimi all killers -> Obviously he was mentally unstable
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
jjj75 ur since yesterday HSBC ...jjj75 ur since yesterday HSBC forum u diverted the topic to QNB n other local banks bashing now ur doing the same still see the influence & at the same time creating stories which have no evidence
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shisha202 said
jjj75 as i have said i posted ...jjj75 as i have said i posted this to alert the parents to keep an eye on their children...in this case the boy started to watch horror movies right from 8 years n it has influenced him a lot which resulted later on murdering his own mom...and now this is an era of globalization kids do watch movies at this part of world too, so its always better to keep an eye on your kid...
CTMQ said
Its Sick.... ...Its sick when someone does this, no matter where in world it happens.
I am sure citizens of England keep them-self well updated with news and events concerning their country.
["Google" is the answer]
smoke said
Why talk about murders being ...Why talk about murders being reported in the UK and US in the first place..this has nothing to do with QATAR...i think its time this topic is deleted. :D
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jjj75 said
BG - poor didums, you a bit ...BG - poor didums, you a bit sore after yesterday when you got into trouble with the MODs???
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
see the mod spoke up n he ...see the mod spoke up n he wants qatar bashing topics and they sleep when forums from Saudi and UAE are posted
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smoke said
Shisha if you want to alert ...Shisha if you want to alert the parents of Qatar then post a topic with a murder happening in Qatar...so we can discuss it.
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Missteacher said
Ive watched horror movies ...Ive watched horror movies since i was a teenager and have never had urges to murder anyone! I think it's more than just watching horror movies and seeing crazy storylines from Corrie. There has to be other underlying factors or mental issues with the child.
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2020 Olympics said
I once had a friend that saw ...I once had a friend that saw Martians living in her closet. So it must be true universally that Martians live in everyones closet. Gotta love the logic.
Yes jjj75, the UK is sooooooo much safer that Qatar. ROFL.
The UK was #1 in the number of violent crimes per 100,000 people in Europe--and ahead of South Africa and the US.
http://www.dailymail...
This study put the UK as the highest in the world
http://www.mapsofwor...
According to the Guardian, the murder rate in England is twice that of Qatar.
http://www.guardian....
MarcoNandoz-01 said
JJJ75: check this out. ...JJJ75: check this out. http://en.wikipedia....
In England and Wales, there were 880,000 "Violence against the person" crimes in 2008–9, equivalent to 16 per thousand people. There were about 50,000 sexual offences during the same period, just under 1 per thousand. Other areas of crime included robbery (80,000; equivalent to around 1.5 crimes/per thousand), burglary (285,000; 5 per thousand) and vehicle theft (150,000; 3 per thousand).[8] England and Wales has a prison population of over 80,000 (2007 estimate), equivalent to 149 people per 100,000 more than the EU average.
(We are not talking here about rude LC drivers tooting their horns or trying to over take your car. we are talking about homicide, rape, armed robbery, sexual assaults and, arsenal acts and ugly riots)
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2020 Olympics said
No country is completely safe ...No country is completely safe and every country has crimes that go unreported for many reasons. But some countries are verifiably safer than others.
shisha202 said
Smoke it was really shocking ...Smoke it was really shocking to read this news for me as a parent and as a child...not in my wildest dream i could imagine this...so thought of sharing it with other QLers...i hvnt posted this for the purpose of bashing....
2020 Olympics said
TFS Marco, but I am afraid ...TFS Marco, but I am afraid that you are using too many numbers for this lot! Lol.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
yup and a few are so safe ...yup and a few are so safe they rob ur money or atm card at gun point or just stab u n run off
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smoke said
2020 now you started bashing ...2020 now you started bashing the UK hmmm? Which just goes to prove jjj's point all the more...just coz things do not get reported in Qatar as you may think nothing happens if its not on the newspapers u read then it must not be happening...all the statistics u've posted are of reported crimes I'm sure there are plenty others that are not reported there as well.
Point being you sometimes have to realize that there is a world outside your well.
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jjj75 said
MN - as I said, you don't ...MN - as I said, you don't know what happens here because most of the time it does not get reported.
I do agree that crime might be lower than UK, however, there is no credible evidence to back this up and nothing gets reported!
Smoke, quite, this is QL and I still fail to see the relvance of this particular post to people living in Qatar
2020 Olympics said
Smoke--not bashing the UK. ...Smoke--not bashing the UK. Just making the statistical comparisons in response to JJJ75's claims about safety. The sources are all from UK studies, not numbers I just made up or claims based on so-called personal experience.
And read my post above about unreported crimes. Happens everywhere.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
yes posting on saudi n uae is ...yes posting on saudi n uae is very much related to qatar living n they can stay without getting deleted
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Miss Mimi said
"lol according to miss mimi ..."lol according to miss mimi all killers -> Obviously he was mentally unstable"
Yes I think most killers are mentally unstable. I have a hard time believing that a healthy, happy, well adjusted person would kill someone.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
2020 Olympics said
"no credible evidence to back ..."no credible evidence to back this up and nothing gets reported!". The sources I posted included Qatar in the study.
Crimes are reported in Qatar all the time. Sure some is not, but plenty in every country is not. So I'm not sure what you are arguing.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
miss mimi let me remind u as ...miss mimi let me remind u as ur getting old n loss of memory remember last time i shared a news of soldier killing his land lord for fun he wanted to see how it feels like to shoot n kill oopp sorry no he was unstable
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2020 Olympics said
I agree miss mimi that all ...I agree miss mimi that all killers like this must be mentally unstable--although this is not excuse.
I wonder what drives them to this point? And why the rate of such killings are higher in some countries than others?
Ram said
did anyone raised the ...did anyone raised the possibility that the kid might be hunted.
Guys did u watched the serial movies "Paranormal Activities"
The kid might not be mentally ill but he might be forced to do something if he is hunted. and he won't even remember that he did it.
This kid if he is not mentally ill he is surely hunted.
Horror movies won't just affect a kid to "ATTEMPT" perfect murder.
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
maybe at the end of the movie ...maybe at the end of the movie the teenager got mentally unstable
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smoke said
2020 just a thought here: ...2020 just a thought here: Bigger countries with more liberal laws get more crimes being reported. Smaller countries with strict rules on what gets in the papers and what should be reported just to make the country look good on paper so that they show a good image of the country to the world have less reported crimes. Agree or Disagree?
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MarcoNandoz-01 said
2022: I believe lack of ...2022: I believe lack of proper mental care is the main culprit in this most unforenute incident.
As seen from the reports, the boy was telling his doc's about the voices in his head urging him to kill; still he was told there was nothing wrong with him.
I'd like to see his mental doc convicted of playing a complacent role in this tragic murder, and put behind bars.
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Miss Mimi said
BG I think killing someone to ...BG I think killing someone to know what it feels like is the very definition of unstable.
2020, no I don't believe being unstable is an excuse, as long as they know right from wrong they should be punished. However, I think it's important to know the reasons why people kill, so that we can hope to stop similar things from happening in the future.
However I do believe killers being unstable is a reason to not have the death penalty. We are all victims of our circumstances.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Miss Mimi said
An interesting piece from ...An interesting piece from Psychology today:
http://www.psycholog...
Who Kills Their Parents?
There are three types of individuals who commit parricide. One is the severely abused child who is pushed beyond his or her limits. Another is the severely mentally ill child. And the third is the darling of the tabloids, the dangerously antisocial child.
By far, the severely abused child is the most frequently encountered type of offender. According to Paul Mones, a Los Angeles attorney who specializes in defending adolescent parricide offenders, more than 90 percent have been abused by their parents. In-depth portraits of such youths have frequently shown that they killed because they could no longer tolerate conditions at home. These children were psychologically abused by one or both parents and often suffered physical, sexual, and verbal abuse as well--and witnessed it given to others in the household. They did not typically have histories of severe mental illness or of serious and extensive delinquent behavior. They were not criminally sophisticated. For them, the killings represented an act of desperation--the only way out of a family situation they could no longer endure.
Only on occasion does a severely mentally ill child kill. These are children who have lost contact with reality. Their cases are often well documented with records of previous treatments that failed. Many of the cases are never tried; the killer is declared unfit to stand trial.
There are those few children who seem to kill without any remorse, yet whose parents seem to be loving and kind. The dangerously antisocial child is often the fodder of newspaper headlines. These juvenile offenders typically exhibit a conduct disorder--severely disruptive behavior that continues for over six months. These are the kids who kill their parents merely for some sort of instrumental, selfish end--never having to ask before borrowing the car again, for instance.
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
mimi then so many unstable ...mimi then so many unstable shldnt b left out to roam freely they r a threat to the society omg i shld stop going out now as the they might be here too
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Miss Mimi said
Yes you should BG, and get ...Yes you should BG, and get off the internet, the internet attracts all kinds of unstable people.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
2020 Olympics said
Smoke--interesting point ...Smoke--interesting point smoke, but you might consider this. Liberal societies whose leaders are subject to elections have every reason to manipulate crime statistics in order to show the voters what a great job is being done. This leads to government manipulations of crime statistics. Far fetched? Here are two examples reported in the UK Telegraph. There are similar cases in the US, etc., and it is becoming a serious problem. These are just examples to prove my argument. Do you have such examples to prove your theory?
http://www.telegraph...
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
thanks for ur concern mimi ...thanks for ur concern mimi but i know i wont kill ppl for fun when i get unstable
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
smoke said
2020 unfortunately to benefit ...2020 unfortunately to benefit your argument i do not have any examples to prove my "theory" for if i did then the purpose of me saying there's no such things reported in the papers would be nothing but me talking crap..right?
Atleast there they get caught doing such things..its better than having such criminals amongst us running free and not knowing and having to live thinking we are safe.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!