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The Myth of the Stay at Home Mom
An editorial piece from the Daily Beast about the Myth of the stay at home mommy:
When Rosen said that Ann Romney had “never worked,” it was perfectly obvious that she was referring to the classic definition of work as something one does for pay: “the labor, task or duty that affords one his accustomed means of livelihood,” as Webster’s dictionary puts it. All mothers know that motherhood involves a lot of hard work, but let’s stop pretending that that’s the same as working for a living. It isn’t. When you’re a stay-at-home mom, somebody else is bringing home the paycheck.
Equally misleading was Mrs. Romney’s retort that her “career” was being a mother. Again, Webster’s defines “career” as “a field for or pursuit of a consecutive progressive achievement, especially in public, professional or business life,” and also as “a profession for which one undergoes special training and which is undertaken as a permanent calling.” Motherhood is many things, but as a matter of pure semantics, it’s not a career. It’s also not a “permanent calling,” since kids grow up.
Whether you’re a father with a stay-at-home wife, a working mother with a partner, or a single mother on her own, the buck stops with you if you’re providing the primary financial support for your family—and that responsibility is often terrifying. We all have our wide-awake-at-3-in-the-morning nights, and no doubt Mrs. Romney has endured her share. But her worries, however grave, have never included the ability to feed her kids or keep a roof over their heads—and those are problems that regularly torture countless American women.
For most of them, working for pay is a necessity, and staying home to raise their children is not an option, despite the constant blather about “choice.” Whether or not we want to do so—and many of us do—the majority of us work because we have to, and our children depend on us to bring in a reliable income. No one who has never shouldered that responsibility can ever really know what it’s like—how scary it is, how hard it is, and how lonely it can feel.
The self-appointed defenders of the American family love to exalt motherhood and extol the virtues of women who make the “sacrifice” of staying home with their children, as Peggy Noonan put it on Friday’s Morning Joe.
It’s long past time to acknowledge the heroic sacrifices of the working mothers who do everything that stay-at-home moms do, but who also provide the crucial financial contributions that enable their families to stay afloat, even when the dads drop dead, lose their jobs, run off with other women, or otherwise default on their parental obligations.
When it comes to motherhood, there’s no shortage of heroism or sacrifice no matter which role you play. But for all too many families, if mom didn’t bring home the bacon, there wouldn’t be any food on the table.
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insanityOO7 said
/-a-t-/MM & MT ..."...what am I supposed to do with my day? Sit on the couch? Eat chocolates..."
Had god given the responsibility of taking care of household to men instead of women I would have been more than happy not to work.
I mean both of you are talking as if your world starts and ends at your workplace (no offence meant). There are 100s of things to do, If I had enough money I would never have bothered about doing a routine job. The weekends pass so quickly that i dont even realize it.
Imagine both of you dont have to work, you have no additional financial responsibility, no workplace related stress and you have full day to live and follow your hobbies, dreams live life to fullest !!!
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Miss Mimi said
ROFLING. So my husband is a ...ROFLING. So my husband is a millionaire is he?
Staying home gets old FAST.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
insanityOO7 said
/-a-t-/missmimi ..."...I'll go to work and feel good about myself AND be busy and productive...."
So women who are working at home are unproductive and free ??
That is the example I gave earlier - if a women is taking care of her family and for example cooking meals for her children and husband she is loooked down upon by Career women for whom all these activities are unproductive.
However if the same women will sell pizzas for a paltry salary you will start considering her productive. This is what I meant by brainwashing of feminists.
Lastly, I never said that women should not do anything else or that they should not pursue careers- I only said that they should not be pressurized to act like superWomen taking care of both outside and inside the house and that they should first fulfil their oprimary responsibilities of upbringing and taking care of children and household.
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Missteacher said
Well thats where our beliefs ...Well thats where our beliefs differ, because I don't believe God has given women the sole responsibility of housework and parenting.As much as I respect other peoples opinions and views doesn't mean I agree with them. I have said that the view that women should stay in the home and can 'help' with the financial side of things if she wants, is outdated. Some women are the breadwinner of the family and some make even more money than their husbands AND can be amazing mothers.
It would be nice not to have to work....however my husband would need to make a lot of money to keep me from being bored!
MT
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insanityOO7 said
/-a-t-/MM & MT ...by "Imagine both of you" I meant both miss Mimi and Miss Teacher
Not you and yr husband.. LoL
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Miss Mimi said
I cook meals for my husband ...I cook meals for my husband and child (well he just takes a bottle now...) and I clean the house (with my husbands help) and I still work, why do I need to be a stay at home mother to do this stuff?
If a woman is selling pizzas to provide for her family than I have nothing but respect for her.
If a woman does nothing but sit at home and takes 4 hours to do what I can do in half an hour, than I don't really have much respect for her no.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Missteacher said
Eh I know...when did I say ...Eh I know...when did I say you meant me and my husband???
LOL
MT
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insanityOO7 said
/-a-t-/MT ..."...Well thats where our beliefs differ, because I don't believe God has given women the sole responsibility of housework and parenting.."
Again, primary does not mean Sole. Man is the primary breadwinner and women the primary home maker. In normal circumstances Both can share each others responsibilities as long as the primary responsibility does not change.
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Miss Mimi said
Well I'm the primary ...Well I'm the primary breadwinner and my husband is the primary home maker for right now, so I guess those responsibilities did change.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
insanityOO7 said
/-a-t-/MT & MM ...Summary of discussion so far
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WE Agree on following points:
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1) Both can pursue their career aspirations
2) Both have to look after the home and children
3) Women who are compelled to work to provide for her family are to be commended
We disagree on following points
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1) Primary role of man as breadwinner and women as home maker
2) Career women considered superior to home makers
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Missteacher said
I only consider career women ...I only consider career women 'superior' if you want to say, to home makers if a woman chooses to stay home even the family can not be supported well enough with only her husbands income.
If the husband makes enough money for the family to live comfortably then fair enough if she chooses not to work and be a housewife.
Thats the point I was making about my husband...If he made plenty of money I would happily not work!!
MT
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Miss Mimi said
I don't consider anyone ...I don't consider anyone superior to anyone else. A housewife isn't superior to a working mom, a working father isn't superior to a stay at home dad. Everyone needs to do whats right for them and their family and not be judged by others for their decision.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
flor1212 said
hard to argue with someone ...who don't know the nature of creation.
MM, your arrogance in front of God will not give you anything good, I'm sure of that. (And you even have the guts to challenge GOD about it?)
No one here said that woman CAN NOT work. The position was, IT IS NOT THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY of a woman to be the breadwinner. If she chooses to be of help (but in your case as the primary breadwinner), FINE, but the facts remains it is NOT your primary responsibility. The responsibility still fall on the shoulder of the man.
And we are NOT talking of YOU here, we are talking about MAN and WIFE responsibilities as COMMANDED!
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flor1212 said
And precisely you kind of thinking ...is why there is a prevalence of DIVORCE.
And may I know who is the "boss" in your house? Who makes decisions? I would suppose it's you! And everything you say should be the one to happens, because you are the "provider". What great decision can be done by a man who CAN NOT even provide for his family? Can he face his CREATOR and tell his accomplishment?
Of course, he won't because both of you chose to contradict HIS wishes. And I won't be surprise, BOTH of you don't believe (maybe even HIS existence). And for that, I feel sorry for you.
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Miss Mimi said
LOL. The flying spaghetti ...LOL. The flying spaghetti monster COMMANDED me to laugh at you.
Amazing how books that were written by men, with male prophets and a male God will tell women to remain inferior to her husband. Shocking, I say, shocking.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Prism said
"Staying home gets old ..."Staying home gets old FAST"
All my great grand mother grand mother who were stay at home moms lived plus 90 years and were much active than a 18 years boy of these days who lives on coke and pizza....:) I have seen my grand mother, just in case there is a doubt.
Saw something which was in contradiction to facts so chipped in a fact.
"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli
britexpat said
To each his own ... ...To each his own ...
Miss Mimi said
What a contribution Prism!!! ...What a contribution Prism!!! My grandmother was stay at home and died in her 70's of Alzheimers. Your point?
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
tinkerbell10 said
Why do people feel that just ...Why do people feel that just cuz its right for one it should be for the other??? And why do people feel that just cuz THEY follow something and it WORKS for THEM that is should be the same for the other? And why do MANY people feel the need to force their beliefs and diktats of their religion down someones else's throat???
You have the right to decide what happens within the 4 walls of your home. Dont expect your neighbour to follow suit. And DONT Judge them just cuz they are different. You dont have the right to do that.
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flor1212 said
MM family is always an ...exception. So never argue with her.
Put this in record, MM, I PITY YOUR HUSBAND!
I just hope that when you have your own children, the situation change because you will never be a good teacher to your children for sure.
And here's another truth that I know you will not agree, WOMAN came from MAN and that woman was created for man, NOT the other way around.
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insanityOO7 said
/-a-t-/mm ..."...Amazing how books that were written by men, with male prophets and a male God will tell women to remain inferior to her husband. .."
Male God ? The Arabic word ‘Allah’ has no gender.
All prophets were male because of the requirement of the prophets who had to undergo severe hardships to spread the message of God.
This in no way diminishes the importance of women who were the mothers of these prophets...the wives of these prophets and played their part in spreading the message.
Lastly - Women are not inferior to men nor men are inferior to women both are equal (however both are not Identical).
Both have superiority in certain aspects of life however man is the breadwinner and the head of the household and a women by obeying her husband does not become inferior to him rather she is just obeying the command of God.
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Miss Mimi said
Actually woman and man would ...Actually woman and man would have evolved simultaneously. They kind of need each other or the human race wouldn't have continued.
Also, I have a lovely son & a happy husband, thanks.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
flor1212 said
Tinker, because theer is a misconception here. ...I am not arguing with MM because I don't agree WOMEN SHOULD WORK. The point being argued about is, was it the primary duty of a married woman to be the breadwinner? I am not telling her NOT to work. What I am saying is her primary responsibility is to take care of her children and household. But if she chooses to be both a working woman and could still take care of her household, FINE, no argument about that.
But challenging the very reason of creation is what irritates me. But I know I have to just accept the reality that this woman is an Atheist and that's her belief.
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Miss Mimi said
It is the primary ...It is the primary responsibility of both parents to feed, cloth, educate and love their children. How they choose to do that is up to them.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
tinkerbell10 said
Flor - i am not taking sides ...Flor - i am not taking sides here. And have always tried to take a middle path where i see a difference only because ALL of us come from different cultures and backgrounds and upbringing.
I understand the point being made and discussed BUT in trying to bring a different view across you and some others are ALSO guilty of the fact that you seem to force your views - religious or otherwise - onto others.
I still stand by what I said - it is what YOU believe and follow. Is it necessary that everyone else also see the same point or accept it?
We need to learn to agree to disagree. Cuz in trying to make your point you guys are just repeating yourselves and trust me - no ones point of view is going to change.
So what if she is an Atheist? So what Flor? It takes all kinds to make this world and what matters is who she is as a person and not her religious beliefs.
I hope i have made myself clear. Learn to agree to disagree.
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Missteacher said
/-a-t-/flor1212 ..."And here's another truth that I know you will not agree, WOMAN came from MAN and that woman was created for man, NOT the other way around."
So we are Gods gift to men! :) ...lucky you!
From Quran and Bible; Eve was said to be made from Adam's rib...therefore is part of man. Therefore called woMAN. Also as per creation...man was created in Eve's womb and therefore man also came from woman...and the creation cycle just keeps going on and on.
Point is...men and woman are equal and should be treated that way.
MT
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flor1212 said
MM, nobody argue about the common ...but you need to realize that they also have their INDIVIDUAL distinct responsibility for their family in the same way that a man have his duty to his wife and the wife to his husband.
Why do you think they were created differently if they they don't have specific function? TRUE, they have COMMON function but also true that they have individual function.
And since you choose to work and FEED your husband (which I believe is very much able, unless he's not), I just hope you sustain that. Good luck to your family.
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Miss Mimi said
Nope. No distinct ...Nope. No distinct responsibilities. They have the same responsibilities. How they choose to carry out those responsibilities is their decision.
And why wouldn't I be able to sustain being the breadwinner. Am I going to suddenly explode or something? LOL.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
flor1212 said
MT, "equal'" is subjective. ...equal to what? Equality is not the topic. Functionality and responsibility is the topic. Why do you think we have different physical attributes? Why do you think that you have your monthly periods and we have none? Etc etc? Why do you have the capability to bear a child and we are not?
If man created so many things (through inventions and in many ways) but of different functions, what more with God who created us, man and woman, not man and man. Not woman and woman, it's MAN and WOMAN.
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nomerci said
It is all about CHOICE. Man ...It is all about CHOICE. Man and woman can decide what is right for them, their child their family. There are no set rules, it is their CHOICE. That's what it is all about. Whether they believe in doctrine like Flor or Insanity do, or like Miss Mimi believe in equality.
Choice is the keyword.
And accepting / respecting the choices other people make.
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.
flor1212 said
MM, so if you have a choice, you ...would like your second child be carried by your husband for nine months? Since you choose to function as a man (breadwinner), he might as well function as the woman, right? He's the stay-at-home father, right? Give him the function to bore a child, it will be good for you!
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Miss Mimi said
Oh God could he carry the ...Oh God could he carry the child for 9 months!! That would be lovely. It would be fantastic if we could each carry one for 9 months!
And I'm not acting as a "man" Flor, I'm acting as a mother. I'm feeding, protecting and loving my child by providing the money needed to purchase food, a home and his education. The same as any mother and father does.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Prism said
MM...my point, staying at ...MM...my point, staying at home not necessarily makes one get old FAST as was intended to be. In fact working in an stressful environment should make one grow old faster.
Now another one, 'No distinct responsibilities'...a man cannot breast feed a child, now can he. Guess, to discharge this responsibility women are even given time off from work.
As for contribution, what is there to contribute on something as simple as that a family would or should do what suits them the best...the people who argue otherwise arent going to feed the family or take care of it...end of the day whoever is part of the family has to take care of it...how they do it is entirely upto them. So anything beyond that is just unneccessary discussion to spend ones time when there is nothing better to do and I always have something better to do and also am short of time...:)
"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli
Miss Mimi said
LOL Prism. I didn't mean it ...LOL Prism. I didn't mean it ages the person, I meant that staying at home GETS old, as in boring, quickly.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Missteacher said
Why do you keep bring up ...Why do you keep bring up homosexuals Flor1212????
MT
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Prism said
Ah OK...:) ...Ah OK...:)
"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli
flor1212 said
Are you offended MT? ...I am just stating a fact, right? And you are the one who uses the word, not me. When did I say it?
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max1986 said
So a widow or orphan cant eat ...So a widow or orphan cant eat because the man/ breadwinner is not there? The orphan have to starve till mommy get marreid?
Boys don't have feelings, they have muscles
Miss Mimi said
Yes Max. Because mothers are ...Yes Max. Because mothers are supposed to stay home.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
britexpat said
Miss Mimi.. ...Staying at home may be boring for you, but not for others. At the end of the day, it is a choice we make to suit our selves..
Missteacher said
YOu keep saying commenting ...YOu keep saying commenting about men and men / women and women relationships...they are called homosexuals. I don't see how homosexuals have to do with the roles of men and women in the family and rearing children???
You have brought it up more than once now and I am wondering why???
MT
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Miss Mimi said
That's all well and good ...That's all well and good Brit. But staying at home is not my, or any other woman's, primary responsibility.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
britexpat said
Miss Mimi.. ...Some women may see it as their "primary responsibility"...
Miss Mimi said
And some men may see it as ...And some men may see it as their's Brit. In my opinion it is the primary responsibility of BOTH parents.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
max1986 said
Some ppl see Muslim as ...Some ppl see Muslim as terrorist Americans as dumb etc etc doesnt make it right
Boys don't have feelings, they have muscles
britexpat said
Miss Mimi.. ...I agree with you. In your opinion it is the primary responsibility of both parents. Others may feel differently. As long as they are happy with their choice - so be it ...
Miss Mimi said
Brit, I'm not the one telling ...Brit, I'm not the one telling people that they are harming their child, and ignoring God's laws, by not being a stay at home Mom.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you." Ed Koch
Mandilulur said
I wish it were a choice. If ...I wish it were a choice. If it were a choice to stay home and raise children we wouldn't see so many mothers here with children back in their home countries. It's very sad. In the US mothers do have to/choose to work, but usually don't have to move thousands of miles from their kids.
Mandi
Prism said
BE...your last three posts ...BE...your last three posts must end this otherwise useless discussuion... just goes to show how mature is your thinking.
"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli
JC647 said
"But for all too many ..."But for all too many families, if mom didn’t bring home the bacon, there wouldn’t be any food on the table."
Without men, you wouldn't have the keyboard to type your Anti-Male feelings with.
Mandilulur said
JC, and you're from the ...JC, and you're from the UK???
Mandi
nomerci said
Who is anti male? From what I ...Who is anti male? From what I can see nobody is. It's just that some women think they are equal to men....oh, I know...the cheek!!!!!!!!!!!!!;):P
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.
Manna Pro said
I want to make this perfectly ...I want to make this perfectly clear..I don't think a woman must stay home and raise the kids, i'm just saying that I personaly find housewives more interesting than working women. Althought I did kind of fall in love with my femasle lawyer once, and a female district attorney that was trying to convict me..I thought my female eye doctor was just wonderful, and my mother became a real estate agent when I was a teenager. I just think a woman that has raised kids knows infinately more about life, love and realationships than a working woman ever could.
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nomerci said
Bull, how about a woman who ...Bull, how about a woman who has raised children AND worked?
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.
Manna Pro said
Lol Nomercie- Women are ...Lol Nomercie- Women are better than men..They're better in every way..Can you imagine if they ruled the world?
No wars.....
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Manna Pro said
"Bull, how about a woman who ..."Bull, how about a woman who has raised children AND worked" Nomerci
Oh thier all great Nomerci- I just prefer pampered housewives..Jobs suck the life out of people and I like to travel..2 weeks a year won't cut it for me, she has to be available to go at any time
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nomerci said
Bull, I'm not so sure about ...Bull, I'm not so sure about that...Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman.......Although, things wouldn't be dragging along as they do now.
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.
nomerci said
Well yes, that they can. ...Well yes, that they can.
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.
Manna Pro said
Hell hath no fury like a ...Hell hath no fury like a scorned woman
I haven't experienced that Nomerci, I think its because I genuinely cared about every woman I've ever been with..Its hard to hate a guy that genuinely cares about you, even if he's constantly making mistakes, screwing up, and giving into temptations
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tinkerbell10 said
Are we STILL on this ??...Hmm ...Are we STILL on this ??...Hmm as long as Men think that we are nothing without them this discussion will never end!,,,,
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nomerci said
True Bull, but most men are ...True Bull, but most men are not like you.
And women are not only scorned by men.
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.
Manna Pro said
I know Nomerci...My wife has ...I know Nomerci...My wife has gone berserk on a few women over the years, I love it...One time she found a note on my windshield from a woman from work instructing me to meet her somewhere..I didn't see it, but my wife did the next day when we were out..It ruined the day, to say the least. I decided to marry my wife after she attacked another girl who was hittin on me. It felt so good to see her go wild like that. That, and seeing her put on her nurses outfit and go off to work one morning convinced me to make her my wife..I like housewives, nurses, teachers and flight attendants- In that order..I brought her a house and retired her in 83..
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tinkerbell10 said
Bull - TMI !!!!!! :) ...Bull - TMI !!!!!! :)
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Manna Pro said
There's no such thing on a ...There's no such thing on a message board Tinkerbell
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tinkerbell10 said
whatever suits you...just be ...whatever suits you...just be careful. thats all...
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britexpat said
Manna Pro.. ...I'm sure that quite a few women would be ready to "hook up" with a view to getting a house later on...
nomerci said
Hmmmm, well, each to their ...Hmmmm, well, each to their own.
I think you are man to play with, not to marry.A friend of mine married a man like you, she came to regret it deeply.
Guys like you are fun, that's where it begins and ends...the trouble is, some women think they can "tame" guys like you...pretty dumb,IMHO.
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.
insanityOO7 said
/-a-t-/niomerci ..."....the trouble is, some women think they can "tame" guys like you...pretty dumb,..."
So it is proven now that women want to change the character of her partner;
she is attracted towards men who are "nice to play with" and then they fall for these kind of people and then they try to change their personality.
If their personality changes for good after marriage then they become "BORING" and "UNATTRACTIVE" and no longer DESIRABLE and if they don't change then they are NOT FIT AS PARTNER.
So that means that men can never win against women because their parameters keep on changing....we are caught between devil and the deep sea...
Anyways women are dumb in this regard for playing with fire an thinking that their hands won't burn
LoL...
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Manna Pro said
You are so right Nomerci- My ...You are so right Nomerci- My wife tried for 30 years..I was a major project to her, her lifes work...lol.
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nomerci said
Well, exactly. If you don't ...Well, exactly. If you don't want to live with it as it is, keep your hands away from it. As simple as that.
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.
Pink hippo17 said
Nothing like blowing your own ...Nothing like blowing your own trumpet!.. Lol..Think this has to be agree to disagree, cos it's never going to end
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flor1212 said
And I thought you want to move ...positively. But still those illegal things are on discussion. When will you ever learn?
And that's not the topic of the discussion
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flor1212 said
And I rest my case to MM. ...I just hope she can sustain being the breadwinner while her "houseband" remains at home. One thing is for sure, he'll enjoy the early years of your child and that would be great for him. I just hope that the time comes when he would prefer to work than stay at home. Because if not, he himself is breaking your belief, MM, that is BOTH should be responsible for family's financial needs (as you wanted it to be, right, MM?).
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wirehead said
whew...it's still hot in here ...whew...it was hot in here huh.
so let's just say tatang flor is of the school of thought that a woman was made from a man's rib as is written, and mm is from the school that the first man and woman came out fully formed from a bamboo tree a bird cracked open at the same time. equally. no one preceded the other. no one had to exist before the other.
i don't know about the creation stories of people from other cultures here (and i would love to know them), but the adam and eve creation story is from someone else's culture, not mine. i don't care if it's in the book my faith based its beliefs from, but i personally prefer the latter because it shows our ancient culture believes that both man and woman were created equally. until external factors bastardized our way of thinking.
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Manna Pro said
Nomercie said: "Well, ...Nomercie said:
"Well, exactly. If you don't want to live with it as it is, keep your hands away from it. As simple as that."
Lol- I agree. She always tried to make me into some kind of Dudley-Do-Right or something. She knew what I was when she married me
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Miss Mimi said
It's so nice that you're ...It's so nice that you're interested in my family life Flor. I'm sure that once my husband finishes his Degree he'll be eager to start work.
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Pink hippo17 said
How can Flor be so ...How can Flor be so judgemental about miss mimi's life?..You don't know them or their day to day going's on..A personal attack is just out of order or that's what people lower themselves to when they have nothing better to say..Just because miss Mimi works does not mean she will miss out on the early years of her child..What works for one might not work for the other,but it works for them and thousands of other families where the woman is the breadwinner..I'm thankful i wasn't raised to believe i'm here to serve men..There is a big world out there and i want my child to experience it..Be open minded and no-judgemental or narrow minded and brainwashed..Miss Mimi you sound like a fantastic woman,your husband and child are lucky to have a strong working wife/mother to look up to :)
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nomerci said
I am just surprised that you ...I am just surprised that you people still take Flor seriously.....:P
" Those who come to a conclusion by a process without rational, logical thought, cannot be dissuaded from that conclusion by logical, rational argument.