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Indians more free than Filipinos?

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I've been reading about the abuses in the Philipinnes regarding their immigration practises and the money that has to be 'paid' to the POEA so they can escape their own country. (Prison)

Do Indians if they wish to travel abroad for any reason have to prove to their immigration anything above having a valid passport and a valid visa (if needed for country of destination)? Can immigration officers refuse them exit from India? Do Indians also have to pay bribes to leave India?


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LincolnPirate's picture

LincolnPirate said In North-Korea it is the ...

In North-Korea it is the case, and in Cuba, and in Angola. Syria is also doing everything to keep some people in the country, otherwise they would not have anything left to kill.

Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!

 

vivme's picture

vivme said .. ...

Have travelled with ease to several countries in the world, and the only question I get asked is the purpose of the travel..

No harassment ever

 

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Iamthexxx said not i dont think so! bribe ...

not i dont think so!

bribe sure they will be happy to accept regardless!!

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LincolnPirate said This must be horrible news ...

This must be horrible news for flor!

Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!

 

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Mike Shamrock said He's been quiet over the last ...

He's been quiet over the last few days, he probably got manhandled by some immigration officer in Manila! LOL!

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sristakdas said In India, we have 2 ...

In India, we have 2 categories of Passports:

1. ECNR (Educated People)
2. ECR

If somebody has ECNR Passport he only needs to have visa of the destined company and thats it.....

People with ECR (Laborer category) have to get prior approval from Emigration Department of India.....

But it is much easier than Filipine..POEA.....

Sristak Das

 

LincolnPirate's picture

LincolnPirate said The old caste system in ...

The old caste system in India. Still active?

Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!

 

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Mike Shamrock said Having said that it's the ...

Having said that it's the same-same, but different!

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kutrya420 said Indians are more in demand ...

Indians are more in demand compared with any other nationality (whole GCC) sorry everywhere even in the U.S / U.K

 

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khaderbhai said kutrya why we have to ...

kutrya why we have to recharge hala card if we wish to travel to india.....? is it required for philipinoes..?

 

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MarcoNandoz-01 said Moza: most probably. For ...

Moza: most probably. For example: paying money to a government person for getting something is the rule of the day in India.

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fubar said And ironically when we all ...

And ironically when we all reach Qatar - Indians, Filipinos, Americans, we all need a visa to leave the country and go home.

 

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MarcoNandoz-01 said ristakdas:Easier because of ...

ristakdas:Easier because of all the greasing done under the table.

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vivme's picture

vivme said .. ...

MN - I don't know where your knowledge of everything comes from, but as far as I am concerned you don't have to grease anyone's palms if you have all the documents in place

 

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Victory_278692 said No comparison, I mean you ...

No comparison, I mean you cant compare a sweet Apple with sour grapes ;D

 

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Mike Shamrock said But in order to have all ...

But in order to have all documents in place you need to wax someone's????

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vivme said .. ...

MS - I haven't... Maybe you speak from personal experience

 

Prism's picture

Prism said Mike...no...no grease or wax ...

Mike...no...no grease or wax involved to have all the documents..:)

"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli

 

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mariammazher said Absolutely nothing is ...

Absolutely nothing is required, if u've the visa for the country travelling. even for the laborers if they get ECR clearance before travelling with valid documents its not a problem.

 

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johnthebiker said Indians more free than ...

Indians more free than Filipinos?

not literally, but in the philippines, sadly, we do have more corrupt officials doing corrupt practices...

something we are not very proud of....

 

LincolnPirate's picture

LincolnPirate said Of course, the Indians are ...

Of course, the Indians are more free! Try to get a divorce in the Philippines.

Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!

 

roy ka's picture

roy ka said Why most Indians don't know ...

Why most Indians don't know how to speak and write English, they don't know how to spell, they told me (as long as it sounds). And please Indians don't use """DO ONE THING"""use it a correct sentence..

 

painther's picture

painther said Dear roy ka, """ please DO ...

Dear roy ka, """ please DO ONE THING""",
tell me if Lungi is free or not?

 

roy ka's picture

roy ka said Why most Indians don't know ...

Why most Indians don't know how to speak and write English, they don't know how to spell, they told me (as long as it sounds). And please Indians don't use """DO ONE THING"""use it a correct sentence..

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said OMG This bwoy the Roy Ka is ...

OMG This bwoy the Roy Ka is the too much! You do the Two Things Roy da Ka..reply to the Painther here and then tell me why the pilipino say the pipty pi for the fifty five?

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painther said Rolling on flooor ...

Rolling on flooor laughing.....leg up.....Tinker...:)

 

Prism's picture

Prism said roy ka.....we Indians feel ...

roy ka.....we Indians feel the same...why cant people from your country say "Sir" ...why it sounds something like "Saaaaaaaaaar"...:)

"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli

 

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zafirah said kutrya420 ...

and what do you mean? that Filipinos can not afford to re-load their own hala card?
wake up!
in our company, there are more Filipinos in higher positions than Indians... indians are all laborers/drivers, tea boy, etc.
my apology to some respected indians here...
but i've been reading a lot of bashing to Filipinos and unfortunately Flor is not here to defend them.

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Kutrya ma bwoy you is not ...

Kutrya ma bwoy you is not speaking the english rightly. you must be saying the JEERO not the ZERO. it is not speaking the corect english...

Oh painther jee this bwoy is making me the red in the blood!

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tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Zafirah ma phrend Kutrya is ...

Zafirah ma phrend Kutrya is the jooking....he is not knowing that all the pilipinos are so the great beople...please forgive the leetle bwoy....

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painther's picture

painther said Guyz hold on, ...

Guyz hold on, plz..chill..

bytheway when zafirah apologise to 'some" respected Indians, It's to me, right?
Thank U Zafirah :)

 

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tinkerbell10 said You iss the respectful Indian ...

You iss the respectful Indian Painther Jee?? Ok Jee so i now is the calling you the Painther the JEE....wogay? :)

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painther's picture

painther said and dear Roy, Tinker is our ...

and dear Roy,
Tinker is our English teacher :)
Bheryyyyyyyyy brillant,

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Aiyoo this Kutrya is always ...

Aiyoo this Kutrya is always da joking!....I am now falling from the chair and hitting my leetle back side...:)

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painther's picture

painther said tinker, will you hold on ...

tinker, will you hold on phleeejjjj
I cant laugh more/.........

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Ok Ok...:) Im done...:) now ...

Ok Ok...:) Im done...:) now you can take a deep breath Painther...:)

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Prism said I hope he isnt using google ...

I hope he isnt using google to decipher what tinker is saying...it may not work, I guess...:)

"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli

 

painther's picture

painther said thank u tinker for saving ...

thank u tinker for saving from laugher riot,
prism, he's actually...but can't
(but prism, its welcoming to see u here, right Tinker?) :P

 

painther's picture

painther said you're expected last day ...

you're expected last day eagerly, right tinker?
(now can we tilt our guns the other side LOL)

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Sure thing Painther...Its a ...

Sure thing Painther...Its a rare to see Prism around these days..:)

Roy da Ka you shud be using the Appa Google he is telling youthe real meaning for the words that i is the using here....WOGAY? it is very SIMBLE to use ma phrend.

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painther's picture

painther said i see his ghost though at ...

i see his ghost though at times, in fullmoon nights :P

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said On full Moon Nights? ...

On full Moon Nights? Wow...does he also change his spots? Opps i mean you know...:P

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painther's picture

painther said yep he does, at times even ...

yep he does,
at times even comes without mask :P

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said And i never get to see ...

And i never get to see him...:( with or without mask...:(

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painther's picture

painther said I think our phrend is gone, ( ...

I think our phrend is gone, ( i know he's waiting for the right time'....LOL
time to bye bye for me 2

 

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tinkerbell10 said yeah me too...bye you 2...:) ...

yeah me too...bye you 2...:)

and you is being the good bwoy you Roy da Ka...)

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Prism said hmmmm... ...

hmmmm...

"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli

 

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MarcoNandoz-01 said vivme : I been to India, I ...

vivme : I been to India, I know what i'm talking about.
Corruption/bribery exists all over the world. It just happened that India has it really bad. Your denial = compliance..

No, Not Everyone Has A Moral Right To Feel Offended By Just Any Satire or Criticism...

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Prism's picture

Prism said MN...what made you pay the ...

MN...what made you pay the bribe, if I may ask.

"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli

 

TheDarkKnightRises's picture

TheDarkKnightRises said To the OP, unless you are a ...

To the OP, unless you are a fugitive with the cops looking for you, you don't need anything else apart from a valid passport & visa to leave India.

 

chameleon's picture

chameleon said MIMH, so the context of your ...

MIMH, so the context of your question is only based on one's right to travel? Freedom in general is a rather broad and complicated thing to discuss.

 

MarcoNandoz-01's picture

MarcoNandoz-01 said Corruption in India is a ...

Corruption in India is a major issue and adversely affects its economy.[1] study conducted by Transparency International in India found that more than 62% of Indians had first-hand experience of paying bribes or influence peddling to get jobs done in public offices successfully.
Read more here....

In 2011 India was ranked 95th out of 178 countries in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index.
http://en.wikipedia....

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Instead of burying one's head in the sands. People should take this as an opportunity to brainstorm ideas on how to stamp out corruption in India rather then passing the buck.

Good luck.

No, Not Everyone Has A Moral Right To Feel Offended By Just Any Satire or Criticism...

WATCH " The dancing boys" This short documentary will blow your mind http://www.youtube.c...

 

mozaismyhero's picture

mozaismyhero said chameleon, freedom of ...

chameleon, freedom of movement is a basic human right and one enshirned in various UN Charters. (Others are freedom of worship, freedom of speech etc). Society puts all sorts of constraints on people however very few countries keep their people trapped in their own country.

 

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nomad_08 said Technically what we Pinoys ...

Technically what we Pinoys need is just our passport and a visa to go anywhere...and our right to travel is enshrined in our constitution.

...Cha-Ching!

 

mozaismyhero's picture

mozaismyhero said So why is it denied to you by ...

So why is it denied to you by these officals at airports?

Are you not able to enforce your rights as per your constitution? What's the point of having one if its ignored.

 

stealth's picture

stealth said so MN how much bribe did you ...

so MN how much bribe did you pay? or were you trying to sneak in something without declaring at the customs?

 

nomad_08's picture

nomad_08 said Some of us doesn't know how ...

Some of us doesn't know how to fight for our right.

...Cha-Ching!

 

nomad_08's picture

nomad_08 said Some/most of us always go for ...

Some/most of us always go for the easy way which is paying bribes instead for standing up and fight.

...Cha-Ching!

 

SCORPION-THREE's picture

SCORPION-THREE said Nice Post Moza, It creates ...

Nice Post Moza, It creates fires bet. Fil & Indians...

...never ever touch me, you might regret it!

 

zafirah's picture

zafirah said and I will not stoop down to your ...

level Pittbull... there are so many nice and respected Indians - as I said.

 

azamat's picture

azamat said To answer the original ...

To answer the original posters query. There is no issue leaving India as long as one has ECNR (emmigration check not required) stamp on the passport. Anyone who has an university degree has ECNR on his / her passport. For the rest, no they don't need to bribe anyone (unless they are trying to use false documents etc.)

To moza - Freedom of movement at what cost? The ECR check is in place to prevent exploitation of uneducated, unskilled citizens overseas. Looking at the make-up labour market in the GCC, I believe India should make these checks even more stringent.

To zafira (answering why certain positions are filled with Indians) - There are 700 million (55%) uneducated Indians. Yes, being a driver, tea boy or a labourer are some of their only options. 700 million! Compare that to 92 million total population for the Philippines.

 

chameleon's picture

chameleon said Moza, your post is about ...

Moza, your post is about "freedom" to travel and not about freedom of movement per se, although the right to travel is a part of it. To use the this as basis of comparison in relation to the freedom of Indians and Filipinos is not fair and just creates conflict between our nationalities (which is probably your intention?).

Admittedly, there's a lot of corruption going on in the Philippines but I'm sure most backyards have their share too:)

 

wirehead's picture

wirehead said here we go again with the ...

here we go again with the poea/immigration issue. dunno why moza just can't move on and get over it.

in fairness to indians, some of their countrymen can be found in high/senior management positions in big companies all over the world. it's terrible to admit, but we can't say the same for filipinos. the highest we get is middle management. we're all just corporate slaves everywhere.

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Mike Shamrock's picture

Mike Shamrock said This threads just put a smile ...

This threads just put a smile on my face - thanks to all!

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Prism's picture

Prism said MN...you havent answered ...

MN...you havent answered still, what made you pay the bribe in India.

"If you do not want your enemies to know the facts, take care that your friends do not know them"- Machiavelli

 

painther's picture

painther said Prism, you're still around ...

Prism, you're still around here in a such trivial post?? I thought you're busy man,
dont you have better things to do like planning for fabulous weekend with your friends, they may be waiting :P (pun intended)

 

vivme's picture

vivme said .. ...

MN - Just because you have visited India and have read reports regarding corruption and (may have) experienced first hand about bribery etc does not make you an authority on the country.

I was responding to the OP and responding purely on my experience over the last eleven years or so regarding travelling in and out of the country.

I have nowhere mentioned in my posts about India being clean and devoid of corruption and bribery.

Chameleon and Wirehead - Some of the posters on the forum have again taken it to nationality bashing. My appreciations to you for taking an objective view of the post.

Prism, Stealth and DarkKnight - Thanks for sharing my views on the same. Therefore MIMH, I am not the only person that feels so.

You do not need to bribe anyone if you are not attempting anything unlawful.

 

Victory_278692's picture

Victory_278692 said what a waste of time! on ...

what a waste of time! on illogical comparisons

 

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Pappu_Pager said TB ...

ROFL .......:D

 

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dohabunny said TCOM, I think you have gone ...

TCOM, I think you have gone totally off topic here. If you do not want to provide valid insight or information about this topic or bring the topic back into context (as vivme thankfully did), then at least please do not post personal attacks or accusations on this thread.

 

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t_coffee_or_me said Dohabunny ...

Truth hurts right!

 

 

 

 

 

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Pappu_Pager said Tcom ur r rite ...

Tcom ur r rite

 

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