User

Recent comments

Sponsorship (Kafala system) Qatar

John Doe's picture
Posted in:

This is not a bashing thread. It's a serious forum highlighting the plight of many expatriates in Qatar...

=======================================================
In the latest prominent example of why the sponsorship system in Qatar is very very bad, an Arab American businessman has gone public with his tale as an “economic hostage” here.

Nasser Beydoun, a 46-year-old executive, husband and father, launched a website Friday to raise attention about his situation. Beydoun served as CEO of the Wataniya Restaurants group from 2007 until the end of 2009, resigning after the global downturn caused business to sour.

Beydoun has been trying to leave Qatar ever since, but Wataniya refuses to grant him an exit permit. The company’s Qatari owners are suing Beydoun for $13 million, accusing him of mismanagement and overpaying himself.

“I just want to get out of here,” Beydoun told the Detroit Free Press in a phone interview this week.

But unless somebody throws wasta his way, Beydoun will remain in Qatar until at least December, when he’s scheduled to appear in court.

The newspaper said Wataniya did not respond to requests for comment.

The Dearborn, Mich. resident isn’t the only victim of Qatar’s sponsorship system, which the prime minister himself has criticized as a form of modern-day slavery - and that was way back in 2007.

Since then, Bahrain has abolished its kafala system so that expatriates can enter and leave the country on their own free will. And this year, Kuwait has modified its process to expand workers’ rights.

Sadly, Qatar has backpedaled on promises to change its system, announcing this week that it is shelving all plans pending the outcome of Bahrain and Kuwait’s experiments.

So for now, expatriates should look to Beydoun as a cautionary tale about the power their sponsors hold over them.

In his words:

You cannot leave without your sponsor’s OK. You can’t rent a house. You can’t open a checking account. You can’t get a driver’s license. … And if you get into a legal issue with them, they have the home field advantage.

Source : http://dohanews.co/p...


Comments

LincolnPirate's picture

LincolnPirate said Very good and relevant ...

Very good and relevant thread! Thanks, John. However, whatelse can we do, but bash the system?

Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said We have so many coming out in ...

We have so many coming out in the open and YET NOTHING is done! All these Human Rights and blah blah blah......useless! Time for the NHRC here to wind up their office and head home!

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

LincolnPirate's picture

LincolnPirate said The same could be said about ...

The same could be said about the United Nations when it comes to Syria, TB. Should the UN also wind up their offices and head home?

Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!

 

John Doe's picture

John Doe said thanks LP and this is my ...

thanks LP and this is my favorite discussion topic...

-----------------------------------------------------

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Whatever LP! ...

Whatever LP!

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

info.re.qatar's picture

info.re.qatar said True ...

True

 

mozaismyhero's picture

mozaismyhero said The probably here is not the ...

The probably here is not the government so much but promiment business men who control most of the economy and have a powerful voice. They are very much against a change to the slavery, eh ahem, sponsorship system to protect their interests.

They trot out the same arguments used by the American slave owners before abolishment in the 19th century. They are not ready to be trusted, where else would they go as they need work, we are helping protect them as they are uneducated, in fact we have many costs including housing workers and feeding them....

Remember virtual slavery of East Africans existed in Qatar up to the 1950s!

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Moza - prominent business man ...

Moza - prominent business man here then seem to have more voice than those who are supposed to be making rules. Is that what your trying to say?

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said So ...

So many complaints but still people prefer QATAR. If you are not happy go back.

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

strawberry_shisha's picture

strawberry_shisha said i read in one post here in QL ...

i read in one post here in QL that if you're locally hired, you can ask for NOC..is that true or i'm just dreaming?

please enlighten me..

"Well Behaved Women Rarely Make History" ~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Shakti - Look at it from the ...

Shakti - Look at it from the victims point of view. Only if one is in that position will one understand. Im not undermining the country but this system - needs to be abolished or atleast made in a way that no one is held to ransom by the Sponsor!

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

Super Cool's picture

Super Cool said ALERT,,,MANY WILL NOT LIKE MY ...

ALERT,,,MANY WILL NOT LIKE MY POST SO IF U R IN A FOUL MOOOD PLZ SKIP MY POST.

I know many ppl won't believe this, but when I used to live in the states I had to go through the EXACT system to live there....I had to have a sponsor "translated kafeel"....I had to get his permission to get a driver's license/ID without which I couldn't rent an apartment or open a bank account....and I had to obtain his permission to leave the country EVERY SINGLE TIME....and report to him when I came back....otherwise I would have been deported.

The ONLY difference is the "Kafeel" who did all this for me did it from his office at a university or from his office at a large company...still a Kafeel if u ask me and I don't see anyone making a big fuss about living in the states???

I'M NOT SAYING I LIKE THE SYSTEM....I'M JUST SAYING IT'S AN INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM AND NOT A QATARI ONE....TO INSINUATE OTHERWISE IS ABSOLUTLY FALSE

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said SS - locally hired or ...

SS - locally hired or otherwise NOC is at the discretion of your SPONSOR. If he says NO its a NO.

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said discussed million times ...

discussed million times earlier i will not want to reside in U.S and abolish their laws as per my convenience

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said TINKER ...

The only people who can raise voice are the QATARIS. If they do probably it could. Why. because it is their country. Do they give a damn care for expatriates for example ASIANS BEING TOP IN POPULATION IN QATAR. But my comment sounds funny.

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said if i dont like the laws their ...

if i dont like the laws their i will shift else where

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said Tinker ...

No and yes depends only in the hand of a good and bad QATARI SPONSOR or a good and bad management.

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said shaktiman the locals or r not ...

shaktiman the locals or r not forcing us to stay so ur comments really sound funny

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Shakti - my point exactly! ...

Shakti - my point exactly! They Dont Care! If they did there wont be so many such labor camps with men living like MICE. They dont have their passports with them and are not paid on time.

And to add insult to injury there are BOX APPEAL campaigns! As if a bar of soap and water will elevate their situation!

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

John Doe's picture

John Doe said Super Cool, you probably went ...

Super Cool, you probably went to US on a J-1 visa...not an immigrant visa... and yes,it has restrictions...

-----------------------------------------------------

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said I know good locals and i know ...

I know good locals and i know locals who think we r nothing but slaves. Unfortunately the good ones a very very few in number. Very few.

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said TINKER ...

let us take it this way. Good ones are the educated and the not good ones are uneducated.

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said No Shakti - not really. They ...

No Shakti - not really. They have a good heart.

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

strawberry_shisha's picture

strawberry_shisha said why they have to held the ...

why they have to held the employee if he wants to leave the country?if someone is not happy anymore with his/her job and he/she finished his contract as per their contract's agreement??

"Well Behaved Women Rarely Make History" ~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said TINKER ...

Iam born brought up in QATAR. But really not interested to work in this RICH COUNTRY because of the bad system here. Always better to start our own business in INDIA rather than being a slave.

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

stealth's picture

stealth said no shakti, its generally the ...

no shakti, its generally the other way round....

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said come here take a loan and ...

come here take a loan and just run - no seriously no need for exit permit

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

mr_qatar's picture

mr_qatar said well i am not in favor of ...

well i am not in favor of this kafala system and i also wants to get rid of this system.. but what i want to ask is that then how they will control those expatriates who take loans from banks or who commit any crime or those who becomes bankrupt...? coz same was the case with dubai expatriates took loans from banks and some bought cars on installments and when they saw economic recession all of them park there cars in streets and ran away...

1 more question is that for example a person who has his own company and he applied for a driver visa, a person (driver) comes and get license the employer is responsible for all his expenses till the day he start his job but after 1 month he (employee) leave him and join somewhere else illegally then who will be responsible for all the expenses which employer did on him...? i think thats also one of the reason employer keeps their employees passports...

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said shakti then when r u ...

shakti then when r u departing for past few years ur commenting the same Iam born brought up in QATAR. But really not interested to work in this RICH COUNTRY because of the bad system here. Always better to start our own business in INDIA rather than being a slave.

its like nana patekar dialouge from Welcome movie

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said SS ...

the worst thing is they held the passport

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said u work n simultaneously rant ...

u work n simultaneously rant , like spitting in the same plate from which u eat food

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said Babu ...

Iam planing to join shiv sena..lol. :-P

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said Babu ...

Work is ok. But if your not happy with the work it is better to rant.

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said its totally our choice if we ...

its totally our choice if we dont like no need to leave our country , we shld b grateful they let us come n work here and enjoy a luxurious life which we cant enjoy back home

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

zeegee84's picture

zeegee84 said i am afraid Qatar will loose ...

i am afraid Qatar will loose its potential for ever if it continues to slavery system of workforce.

 

mr_qatar's picture

mr_qatar said & offcourse if your kafeel is ...

& offcourse if your kafeel is kind hearted and honest than this place is amazing to live & work..

& I am very thankful to my dad's kafeel who is one of the best person in the world. May ALLAH grant him long healthy life.. Ameen

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said Babu ...

luxury. That is only for firangis and qataris.

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

tinkerbell10's picture

tinkerbell10 said Shakti - India is also not a ...

Shakti - India is also not a cake walk but yes atleast its OUR place and not second class citizens.

___________________________________________
"One of the hardest things in life is to know which bridge to cross and which to burn"

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said Mr_qatar ...

Can your father try for me a job in his company

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said fed up of ranters ! even ...

fed up of ranters ! even while mouth is full they want to eat more

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

strawberry_shisha's picture

strawberry_shisha said /-a-t-/mr_qatar, Sponsors do ...

/-a-t-/mr_qatar, Sponsors do not have the right to keep the passports of their employees except to perform official business, unless it has been agreed in writing between both employee and employer.

Source: http://www.qatarvisi...

"Well Behaved Women Rarely Make History" ~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

 

MarcoNandoz-01's picture

MarcoNandoz-01 said Transforming people into ...

Transforming people into indentured servants is the ME version of welcoming immigrants. Being beholden to arbitrary whims of the powers that be is the other risk of doing anything here.

No, Not Everyone Has A Moral Right To Feel Offended By Just Any Satire or Criticism...

WATCH " The dancing boys" This short documentary will blow your mind http://www.youtube.c...

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said a few r well aware of the law ...

a few r well aware of the law still they jump in the well for the riyals what to do yaani

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

mr_qatar's picture

mr_qatar said Shaktiman.. u must be ...

Shaktiman.. u must be kidding..

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said Mr qatar ...

Kyon bhai. Iam serious dude :-)

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

_noms_'s picture

_noms_ said So, Finally this has taken a ...

So, Finally this has taken a Shape of a Bashing Thread!
Which Spa are the moderators now?!
_____________________________
Here!
Trigger happy Mods

~noms~
-----------------------------------------
"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said busy with Ql sponsor :( ...

busy with Ql sponsor :(

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

MarcoNandoz-01's picture

MarcoNandoz-01 said If Qatari employers are doing ...

If Qatari employers are doing this to an American citizen, you can only imagine what happens to poor workers from places like Pakistan and India. I wish this man the best in his efforts now.

No, Not Everyone Has A Moral Right To Feel Offended By Just Any Satire or Criticism...

WATCH " The dancing boys" This short documentary will blow your mind http://www.youtube.c...

 

mr_qatar's picture

mr_qatar said they cant dare to do such ...

they cant dare to do such with born americans this person is basically from somewhere else (see his name)and got nationality (might be)... and they stop him coz they file a case against him but they do same with asians without any case...

/-a-t-/strawberry shish.. i knw sponsor dont have a right to keep employees passport but somehow employees are also responsible of their conditions.. coz so many asians employees left their sponsors and are working somewhere else illegally..

 

rhuind13's picture

rhuind13 said i guess it's all part of a ...

i guess it's all part of a chain of events. bad working place, some may resort to working somewhere else with a better environment. pleasant workplace, then no problems will occur obviously. since all of us expatriates are here for the same reason.

 

marycatherine's picture

marycatherine said As for controlling those who ...

As for controlling those who take loans/credit cards, that's a business decision based on their risk analysis.

The problem in the UAE at the time of the economic downturn (and it happened globally) was that banks were issuing loans and credit cards willy nilly and people (stupdily and greedily) were taking them when they couldn't afford them.

Banks are a business and as such they are also responsible to ensure they do not lend or extend credit to those unable to pay or in an economic climate that precludes them from doing so as freely as they might have done in the past.

Can the banks calculate these risks perfectly? No, but they can minimize any potential losses by monitoring payment records etc. and tightening their lending criteria when the economy dictates.

Signature line > "You can't fix stupid"

 

PrisonerofownDevice's picture

PrisonerofownDevice said Hey GUYS Watch out.. Do u ...

Hey GUYS
Watch out..
Do u GUYS really have an IDEA which topic r u discussing exactly????

LiFe GoEs ThErE WhErE DeAtH FeArS To Go......
646

 

turbohampster's picture

turbohampster said Mr_Qatar The way they should ...

Mr_Qatar

The way they should "control" people who have loans credit cards etc should be the same as in the rest of the world!

As MaryCatherine said funny how the rest of the world can give out loans etc without the need to try and keep people as slaves!
And it does nothing to stop people not paying back loans anyway! Lots of people have get massive loans and then go home on their holiday and never come back :-0!

Funnily that doesn't happen as much in the west because the banks won't lend the stupid amounts of money that they do here!
On my first day on Qatar I was taken to IBQ to setup an account the guy setting up my account was trying to give me an unsecured loan of 300,000QR on my first day in the country UNBELIEVABLE!

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said in return the west kill ppl ...

in return the west kill ppl no law stoppin them

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

mozaismyhero's picture

mozaismyhero said Stop bashing westerners ...

Stop bashing westerners monkey. Stop showing your hate for people that are different to you

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said being a qatari support me ...

being a qatari support me moza be patriotic please

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

Shaktimaan's picture

Shaktimaan said When ...

When LP comes, the same time moza also comes. Hmm.

------------------------------------------------------------
A tongue has no bones but it’s strong enough to break a heart

 

Baburao-Ganpatrao-Apte's picture

Baburao-Ganpatr... said bravo shakti ! nice notice ...

bravo shakti ! nice notice

....................................................................
A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.

 

Super Cool's picture

Super Cool said /-a-t-/mozaismyhero By ur ...

/-a-t-/mozaismyhero

By ur logic shouldnt u stop hating Qataris who r different than u???

I see a lot of Bush antics in ur writings....ie....if ur not with me ur against me!!!

U cant say stuff like we r hated cuz we r different then go and do the same thing!!!!

 

mozaismyhero's picture

mozaismyhero said Funny assumption, I don't ...

Funny assumption, I don't hate anyone and monkey being patriotic doesn't mean bashing others. What strange people you are.

 

Bachus's picture

Bachus said It's a form of slavery, and ...

It's a form of slavery, and Qatar has been admonished by the UN, other countries and international organizations for the sponsorship system as a form of human trafficking.

However, so long as the workers continued to flood into the country and Qatar cooperates with Western strategic interests (it's not like the Russians or Chinese will complain about this), the system won't change.

The best way forward is for foreign governments to negotiate for better minimal salaries and working conditions.

 

shabina921's picture

shabina921 said Nasser Beydoun left Qatar already ...

 

Super Cool's picture

Super Cool said Well then u have a very ...

Well then u have a very interesting way of NOT hating Qataris amigo!!!

 

qatarisun's picture

qatarisun said I am not sure what is all ...

I am not sure what is all this about.. if you face the court, NO ONE country in the world would let you go. You will be banned from the exit until the issue is resolved. This is crystal clear.
And it's not about "Exit permit" from the sponsor. It is the country's authorities who prevent you from exiting the country if the court case is filed against you. So this has nothing to do with the sponsorship system.
We don't know all details. We didn't see the contract, we don't know has invested, who has lost, who has mismanaged... that's what the COURT for. If the "businessman " is innocent, he will go.
On the other hand, one has to be really "un-business oriented" in order to fail in business in Qatar! It's probably one of those who asks on QL "How I can open the restaurant? Please send me the explanation in my Inbox".
Such "businessmen" are doomed to failure. They would have better worked in the kitchen of this restaurant and never try to be a businessman. Not everyone is born to be a businessman.


*********************
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small compared to what lies within us."
Oliver Wendell Holmes

 

LincolnPirate's picture

LincolnPirate said What's wrong in asking a ...

What's wrong in asking a hopeful sponsor to give you a written statement that he will give you NOC at termination of the contract with the condition that no criminal charges are pending? It should be part of your contract!

Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!

 

qatarisun's picture

qatarisun said LP, who is talking about NOC? ...

LP, who is talking about NOC? The OP is saying that he was banned form exiting Qatar because he is facing court charges. And he complains about it! And he brings up "sponsorship system" as an excuse of his failure as a businessman. One has nothing to do with another! And NOC has nothing to do with all that.. duh!
He misused someone's investment, he probably vaiolated some other laws, and then all he wants is just ".. to get out of here” .
Wjat NOC has to do with that?


*********************
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small compared to what lies within us."
Oliver Wendell Holmes

 

Join the Qatar Living Community