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I read the post today from a very honourable gentleman, I presume Qatari, who asked the question " why don't you complain to the Authorities" and while I think that what this man has said is highly commendable, NOTHING WILL BE DONE IF YOU COMPLAIN TO THE AUTHORITIES!!!!!!
I Commented on his post which you can read, about how Qatar is seen as one of the safest places to live and IT ISN'T!!!
Having lived in Qatar for 13 years, I have seen mega changes here and I am appalled about the unscrupulous people here , now, in Doha and the rise in crime which is not reported on, but which is talked about a lot in Doha circles.
I have also heard of a lot of attacks on women which are not reported on. Most women feel when you try to bring a complaint about the attacker, you are the one to blame ,Ie You were walking alone. You were not wearing the right clothes. You shouldn't be there!!!!
I have two incidents to tell you of which affect me directly and I want to stress there are many more that I would like to comment on , I can't ,because they are not first hand knowledge.
The first attack was against an English lady who was jogging and in training for a marathon. She was grabbed from behind and a hand over her mouth. It was a youth in a Arabic dress.
She fought him off and ran crying to my house.
My husband got straight in the car , with an Arabic speaker and gave chase. They found the 17 year old down the road and fortunately, there was a traffic police car there. He was taken to the police station where we were informed he was a Palestinian youth . The police begged
us not to press charges as if you knew of his life story you would cry for hi
Having a bad up bringing does not give you the right to ABUSE WOMEN.!!!!
I wonder what would have happened if an Arab woman had been attacked !!!!!
The second story is a tragic one.
My friends maid was waiting for the bus around 7 pm and was grabbed from behind and thrown in a land cruiser.
She was taken to a house where she was gang raped by men of Arab nationality and beaten so badly she was in Hamad hospital for a week.
She was so scared that the police would not believe her and blame her, she begged her English family to send her straight from the hospital to the plane. This they did.
How tragic is this!!!! To go through such an ordeal and to know there will be no justice in this country because you are a foreign woman ( she was Filipino by the way)
How can we women complain to the Authorities when we are scared we will be the guilty
party and not the abuser?????
These incidents happened 6 months ago and there have been many attacks on women over these last few years that are not reported on like they are in Europe and America. It is all kept very quiet. WHY!!!!!!
I see this wonderful country going from bad to worse, by the dishonest and violent people who are allowed to come to Doha and if this problem of women being attacked and the abuser not being punished is not addressed, then Qatar will become the same as the rest of the world. Not a very nice place to live in !!!!!!
Why don't we complain!!! BECAUSE WE CAN'T !!!!!!!!!!!!
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LincolnPirate said
Sad but true. ...Sad but true.
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
drsam said
donno if it's true, but quite ...donno if it's true, but quite believable.
seasons said
Absolutely true with so many ...Absolutely true with so many weirdo's around..
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
sad but true abuses happen ...sad but true abuses happen every part of world
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just1s said
This is really true. I agree ...This is really true.
I agree this is happening in every part of the world but justice should be serve.
These act of unhuman or devil attitude of individual is happening on and on because they are not being punished they always able to get away.
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britexpat said
I still do not see why you ...I still do not see why you can't go to the authorities.
Gladiator1 said
sound like true ...sound like true
dubai_2_doha said
I agree as there is no ...I agree as there is no freedom of speech or freedom of press, it was same scenario with UAE but the Ruler of Dubai issued decree for freedom of press and you can see all crimes and incidents are reported in news, which we as people should know whats happening and how we can stay secure. Hope some day we will see it here.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
by the way can i know which ...by the way can i know which is the safest place ( free from abuse , crime and ...)
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RADIUS said
I'm sure they're not original ...I'm sure they're not original Qatari.
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drsam said
as far as i know, in UAE rape ...as far as i know,
in UAE rape victims can get jailed!
http://www.smh.com.a...
britexpat said
RADIUS.. ...Whether they are Qataris or non Qataris is irrelivant. The key thing is that such cases are occuring and people rightly or wrongly, are afraid to go to the authorities.
rilwan86 said
its bad, ...but, first of all we need to keep our side safe always, i mean avoid to sexy dress in the road plz.
drsam said
how to report if "a complaint ...how to report if
"a complaint of rape could cause her to be charged for adultery"
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
charged for adultery - when u ...charged for adultery - when u go along with a stranger get drunk and get laid then cry foul rape ? what will u call it
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
Ruditheexplorer said
OMG! ...Women & Workers! Always Innocent victims..abused!
I repeat from above.. "NOTHING WILL BE DONE IF YOU COMPLAIN TO THE AUTHORITIES!!!!!!"
Outspoken, intellectuality borderless
LincolnPirate said
It's called "Rape", BG. ...It's called "Rape", BG.
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
LP ur willing going( with a ...LP ur willing going( with a stranger) so how can it be a rape
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
drsam said
BG, even she agrees to have ...BG, even she agrees to have $ex, and than in the middle of the heat she tells u to stop, u must stop, or it is rape too!
drsam said
so if u willingly get in a ...so if u willingly get in a cab, he is entitled to rape u, or steal, or kill u?
LincolnPirate said
Ladies, be warned from BG. He ...Ladies, be warned from BG. He can misunderstand what you're doing!
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
drsam pls provide a link abt ...drsam pls provide a link abt anyone getting raped here in a doha cab or taxi
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
LincolnPirate said
Don't ever enter BG's car if ...Don't ever enter BG's car if he gives you a ride! He believes he has the RIGHT to rape you.
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
lol LP but i dont mind giving ...lol LP but i dont mind giving u a free ride :/
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
TheDarkKnightRises said
Britexpat I think the major ...Britexpat I think the major problem is lack of understanding of local laws. Every rumour becomes a law in people's eyes because there is not much clarity from the authorities.
LincolnPirate said
Now I'm afraid, BG. ...Now I'm afraid, BG.
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
drsam said
that's my link BG: ur comment ...that's my link BG: ur comment on 1:01
i quote "willing going( with a stranger) so how can it be a rape"
Chairboy said
In this country, there IS one ...In this country, there IS one person who can help - she is very approachable, listens AND has influence.
To confirm what one poster said earlier, rapists if found guilty in the UAE ARE inprisioned - by chance happened 2 weeks ago. Interestingly, as the guilty ba...d was being taken away, his mother who was in court was screaming "What did he do wrong....he didnt murder anyone ....." That "maybe" the mentality that right minded people are up against in regard to rape.
Will open .......................... soon!!!
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
so u cld have read above ...so u cld have read above willingly going getting drunk and laid and then how is it rape ?
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
Xena said
Dr Sam ...It is well known that no matter how a woman dresses here, or what her behaviour was up to the incident, certain elements on QL will find fault, bash, make stupid comments about "it happens all over the world", before they admit a woman has any rights to, say NO, dress in anything other than an abhaya, walk anywhere, get into a cab with someone or have a drink.
If you do anything of the above, you were looking for it... although, I have to agree on how getting into a cab with someone, gives anyone the right to rape you, steal from you OR kill you... I am not in the habit of getting into cabs with people I don't know.... or is the taxi driver on this list too?
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Sometimes I just have to shake my head at the injustices in life and say: "Really? You were the sperm that won?"
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drsam said
BGeven if a woman is ...BGeven if a woman is willingly going, drunk, and laid down for intercourse, if ahe says stop and u don't stop, it's RAPE.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
if she says stop and if not ? ...if she says stop and if not ? after mission accomplished she says rape then ?
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
LincolnPirate said
Whatever, BG. HE will have ...Whatever, BG. HE will have committed adultery, isn't it?
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
britexpat said
I think we are getting off ...I think we are getting off track. we agree that these cases occur. What is at issue is - do the authorities take the side of the criminals ?
As the poster says, in the first case, the went to the police , who tried to dissuade them from filing a case. If they had done so, would the case have come to court and would justice have prevailed ?
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
yeah both of them ...yeah both of them
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
tinkerbell10 said
Justice for an expat? Here? ...Justice for an expat? Here? And that too against an ARAB? You must be kiddin me!
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LincolnPirate said
I'm sure you won't committ ...I'm sure you won't committ adultery, BG. So it must be absolutely sure to take a ride with you. That's good news.
Physics is like sex. Sometimes we get some practical results, but that's not why we're doing it!
t_coffee_or_me said
Do not feed TROLLS ...http://www.qatarlivi...
Am I the only one seeing similarity between ID's of teewayne and Stevanlea
Lots of TROLLS around QL MODS should do something soon.
just1s said
Tink, I think they just ...Tink, I think they just really kidding!
Justice will be served always ............. for them only!
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Baburao-Ganpatr... said
TCOM one is a female even ...TCOM one is a female even though she uses male id :?
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tinkerbell10 said
Oh I know that all too well ...Oh I know that all too well Just1's! Saw it all when a friend went thru it here!!! And inspite of having a VALID case!....
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t_coffee_or_me said
Monkey they are same person. ...Monkey they are same person.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
monkey says the same ...monkey says the same
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
Xena said
I can guarentee they are NOT the ...same person!
BG, just because you have numerous IDs you use at any given time, does not mean to say everyone else does too. We are not all as bored with work as you are!
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Sometimes I just have to shake my head at the injustices in life and say: "Really? You were the sperm that won?"
visit www.qaws.org
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
i can say the same xena ...i can say the same xena those 2 are ur ids We are not all as bored with work at yourself!
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
Xena said
BG, yes, they are my IDs ...I find it all very frustrating when no one takes me seriously and have to back myself up with fake IDs.
It has nothing at all do with the fact that I know who Stevanlea is and she like me, doesn't have time to sit here and make up fake IDs to back ourselves up.
*sigh*
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Sometimes I just have to shake my head at the injustices in life and say: "Really? You were the sperm that won?"
visit www.qaws.org
Ravide said
Yes, I was feel unsafe with traffic police ...I faced critical and so unhelpful incident with traffic police took my vehicle to their custody and kept for one month without any violation.
Only thing police said "SOME" captain complaint I did not give way to pass and insulting brake.
But no proof or "some" captain not faced to me..
I posted my full story earlier.
Now I am really scared to drive.
Ravi,
ravee
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
Xena pls track her previous ...Xena pls track her previous thread she herself admitted abt her fake id
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
Stevanlea said The last ...Stevanlea said The last comment is total ...
The last comment is total crap!
First of all I am "not a man" even though my profile says "I am."
I am a English lady .
If this is all you can write about when a serious issue is being discussed!
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
Xena said
BG.... ...Do me a favour and go and track Stevanlea again... have a look at her and my commonalities and then think about how I might know her....
Everything in her profile is correct EXCEPT for her gender... and that is exactly like many females on QL set it, so they don't get harrassed by men on QL... It may also have been her husband who set up the profile... did you ever think of that?
For the amount of time you spend on QL, BG..you don't know very much about how things work around here, do you...
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Sometimes I just have to shake my head at the injustices in life and say: "Really? You were the sperm that won?"
visit www.qaws.org
.sun26872 said
Parameters of safety are ...Parameters of safety are different in different cultures. In most of these cultures,crime against a woman is not even considered a crime.
TheDarkKnightRises said
Xena I think you are wrong, ...Xena I think you are wrong, you indeed have a lot of time on your hands to keep responding to this ;)
dezertryder said
bitter true most of the ...bitter true most of the incidents are happened and happening
Xena said
TDKR.... Its Ramadan.... ...right now, to much time.... but generally, couldnt be bothered;-p
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Sometimes I just have to shake my head at the injustices in life and say: "Really? You were the sperm that won?"
visit www.qaws.org
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
i can see a man in ur profile ...i can see a man in ur profile pic :)
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
VANMOST said
Involve Embassies ...Well, I think in case of Western females, its very easy for them to build some pressure on authorities. They can involve their embassies.
If embassies like UK, USA, Australia, Germany, France, etc can't do anything then it would be very surprising.
But what's happening, it's sad indeed.
Bachus said
Even if the OP's stories are ...Even if the OP's stories are not true, anyone who has lived in Qatar for some time has heard similar credible stores.
The fact is that Qatar is not safe. Few places are, and the outward appearance of safety (promoted by the government, low rate of victims reporting crimes in this culture, and the media's lack of reporting any real crime) makes Qatar all that much more dangerous.
Driving is extremely dangerous not because of environmental conditions but because people break the law and criminally endanger others.
Fires kill people regularly because of poor constructions and lack of inspections for safety.
Maids are assaulted because Qatar has a sponsorship system that gives too much power to the employers and considers master and servant unequal before the law.
I remember last year a circular being sent to parents from my kids' school that a suspicious person was driving around town trying to lure children into his car. This was alarming, but what was more alarming that similar warning were issued by other schools with incredibly detailed reports about his appearance, vehicle, etc. The guy kept appearing at schools throughout the year. Why wasn't he caught. Why was there no public report/warning?
mamamia2411 said
sad but true... ...there was an incident.. one Egyptian hit my car. Once police came, they speak in Arabic. Last, the fault became mine!!! I denied. Then the police asked me " Where are you from?".. I said "INDIA".. He replied... " Its your fault. You are mistake".
This is the human justice in QATAR.
jjj75 said
BE - they definiely take the ...BE - they definiely take the side of (and in order)
Nationals, muslim men and men in general.
I directly know of a european woman who was seeing a local and when she broke off the relationship he decided to come to her home in the middle of the night, forced her into her car and drove her to his home where he spent the next few hours beating her up - leaving broken bones and a smashed in face. She was in hospital a week.
meanwhile she received a visit from 'the authorities' to tell her not to press charges and threats from his family to say if she did, he would have her brought up on charges of having relations outside marriage.
It was quitely dropped
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
I directly know of a european ...I directly know of a european woman who was seeing a local and when she broke off the relationship he decided to come to her home in the middle of the night .. why did she allow him to come after breaking up and that too in the middle of night tsk tsk !
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jjj75 said
BG - because he at first ...BG - because he at first appeared reasonable and then flipped - she had never seen that side of him before so had no reason to think that he would do anything so awful. But I agree, I would not have let him in.
Bachus said
I've heard similar ...I've heard similar stories.
In one instance, the local crossed the wrong woman. After she left, her brothers came to Qatar on tourist visas. They found the man and proceeded to torture him for two days (leaving him alive). They then returned home casually, and when they landed they phoned a friend/relative of his to tell where he could be found.
Few countries (and no Western ones) extradite to Qatar, so there is little that could be done in return.
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
yes a lady has to be extra ...yes a lady has to be extra careful here and not allow anyone in either day or night
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
jjj75 said
BG - I agree if it someone ...BG - I agree if it someone you don't know, but someone that you do know and no reason to think was violent? That is different - seems like you are leading up to placing the blame on the victim rather than the other way around
Baburao-Ganpatr... said
i didn't blame anyone just ...i didn't blame anyone just one has to be careful abt her own safety
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A man is incomplete until he is married. After that, he is finished.
lily58 said
Most expatriate workers ...come from the "jungle" with no education at all. What can we expect from them ?
In addition Qatar is a country of men and for men !
Susie said
Yes you can complain to the ...Yes you can complain to the authorities and they will do every thing they can to find them, they are very nice and kind to women who have been raped.
Susie said
Yes you can complain to the ...Yes you can complain to the authorities and they will do every thing they can to find them, they are very nice and kind to women who have been raped.
britexpat said
lily58 .. ...Please elaborate ... Which jungle ?
azilana7037 said
A woman (alone) is not safe anywhere :) ...I was driving to a birthday dinner last Thursday night and I got tailed by a white BMW from Bin Omran to Madinath Khalifa. When I parked my car in front of the villa where my lady friend lives, the driver parked beside me and started to chat; asking about the company branded on my car, my nationality, etc.
He is courteous at first, and offered an invitation for coffee IN HIS APARTMENT....WTF!!!
Politely, I told him, me and my husband would love to come and visit his house for coffee.
He was quiet, said ok and left...whehehehehe!
azilana7037 said
britexpat , either the concrete jungle? ...or lipstick jungle....whehehehe
Eagley said
"Most" expatriates come from ..."Most" expatriates come from the "jungle"? But is it those expatriates who are the perpetrators or others who have some position of authority abusing it?
Anyway, there were plenty of el-creepos and one always needed to be alert and watchful of surroundings but it was generally quite safe. Crimes like these happen in other places as well and in fact, Qatar is safer than some countries.
What's not safe is if Iran sets off something, it's just across a wee bit of water ...
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Molten Metal said
Baburao what do say on this .. ...4 risk factors put together:
strangers,
drinks,
night,
hidden agenda.
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aswinpravadas said
i am new in qatar, and i ...i am new in qatar, and i thought qatar was giving great security to girls........ its pathetic.
Molten Metal said
aswin ...Have you ever put 4 risk factors together ?
I believe , no.
So for you, any place in this universe is safe !!
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mozaismyhero said
You have to be very vcareful ...You have to be very vcareful as a woman in Qatar. Don't believe it is safe and don't travel alone if you don't have to. Don't rely on the police to help, they can't even get people in Qatar to drive safely so a complex rape case especially if you are an expat is not going to be solved. You could even risk going to prison if the man says you asked for it.
Molten Metal said
moz... ...Each citizen should behave responsibily, never put themseleves in risky circumstances.
When this happens , we may need only half the police in the world.
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TheDarkKnightRises said
I think if every woman stayed ...I think if every woman stayed in the kitchen like she should we can reduce the number of sexual offences dramatically. Irresponsible women.
flanostu said
Lily go back to the jungle ...Lily go back to the jungle and look up your family tree, i'm sure you'd still find your family living there.
Molten Metal said
& more ...The senior and wise from the community should keep a vigil in their respective localities.
This will definitely go a long way to have a safe neighbourhood, I believe.
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jjj75 said
Hey The darkness - what about ...Hey The darkness - what about if men stayed in all the time and never went out without at least 4 females around him - hey presto problem solved, no rapes!!
Eagley said
TheDarkKnightRises said "I ...TheDarkKnightRises said "I think if every woman stayed in the kitchen like she should we can reduce the number of sexual offences dramatically. Irresponsible women."
Yeah, if every woman stayed in the kitchen, the ER in Hamad hospital may have a steady stream of customers ... well, plus the medical insurance companies may also profit. Not a bad idea, floating the economy ...
/Hi Jack
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Stevanlea said
I posted a serious post ...I posted a serious post earlier today and quite frankly, I am saddened by the triviolity of the replies.
BG and others are posting I have a fake ID.
I have not and Xena is correct in her post that my husband set it up for me and he didn't want me shown on QL as a female, so I was not harassed by unwanted attention from males.
This is my only ID? Why have more than one? Have you something to hide?
I find it very upsetting that all you can discuss is my profile and ID on such a serious post.
I stand by my comments that expat women do not have a voice in this country. If you are attacked, there is no justice. If you do complain and you get to file a police report it would take months or years to come to court , by which time, whoever was the victim, could have left Doha. In the meantime, the person who committed the crime walks around freely.
It is your word against a man's and the police and authorities will always take sides with the man.
If what I have written does not interest you in any way, do not bother commenting on it
Thank you
t_coffee_or_me said
If what I have written does ...If what I have written does not interest you in any way, do not bother commenting on it.
Is this not the same
If you don't like something here, leave Qatar
jjj75 said
oh coffee person, so, if you ...oh coffee person, so, if you don't like being raped leave. shoving things under the carpet is not the way to go for women's rights
t_coffee_or_me said
jjj ...have you not heard about sarcasm
jjj75 said
coffee ok, whatever, like ...coffee ok, whatever, like this is a subject to be a comedian about, nice, well done, hope you are proud
t_coffee_or_me said
JJJ - This is not a joke ...Go get a life!
TheDarkKnightRises said
I was being sarcastic ...I was being sarcastic Eagley/jjjjj75
Molten Metal said
stevanlea ...So it is justifiable for a wife to worry about her 'QL' husband being harassed & subjected to unwanted attention from females ..
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