Blind Qatari women to marry male prisoners??

Thats really Sad..:(
Why is the society so biased..:(

Sad :(
I knew many blind/partially sighted women in Pakistan. They were extremely talented in one or more fields after gaining training (sewing, embroidery), and all of them had amazing tales to tell of human endurance and resilience. A few of them did get married, and were happy.

'Blind women can live independently today, and even if they do not have sight, they dream to have a family'.

This is precisely what the trainer at that training facility said.

What does it take for a man to marry a blind woman? A humane spirit? Is it too much to ask for?

mimiloves2sing, I get where you're coming from, and I agree with you.
But I respect individual decisions. The only problem is, many women do not remain clad in veils of their own will. It is part of tradition.
And it really shouldn't hamper something as natural as marriage.

you don't know what you talking about what do know about Islam don't just speculate some you aren't sure about it go read about Islam forget Muslim how they are behave just find out about by yourself these ward u used they say in Western media when they talk about Muslim women, washed brain, oppressed such word why don't talk to these and find will they washed brain or oppress.

mimiloves2sing, that is wonderful! I am very happy to know about your accomplished sister in law, and your humane brother :)

Salam

does it true cos we dont have to distigush betwen us cos we were made from God and anything happen to someone is by his/her power but is God wish

i like your motive you deserve to be a good leader keep it on no matter what we did in life we shall reap

“It is hard to understand why the community refuses the idea of marriages of blind women."

But the article states why. It is a sad situation, but a reality.

Most families are obviously of the viewpoint that if a sighted girl is available, them why risk a blind person.

I worry about women being married to prisoners , just for the sake of giving them a partner. However, I would suggest that the idea of governmental incentives to marry a blind person are worth exploring.

Welcome back. Hope Morsi and Egypt are heading in the right direction ..

Sorry for the slight hijack ..

Many thanks Brit, miss our conversations big time. As for Morsi, we will make sure he behaves. We're waiting til his 100 days in office are up.

Swerving back to the topic, blind Qatari MEN do deserve the right partner as well. So, Qatar has to work out a plan to connect the families of those through organized events or simply through an association/community. This is very easy to do.

Qatar has already launched reasonable initiatives such as "Takful"- if I remember the name correctly- to get the economically distressed to wed.

It's good for the gov to have the intent to shoot at the taboos in the society in a practical manner, but they need to be HUMAN in this process, and treat both genders equally. Awarding an outlaw with a wife is disgusting.

FYI, I couldn't open the link. Will look it up.

how u knew its not in islam and not required?who has told this rubbish?
as far as a woman is concerned in islam her body full is 'OWRATH'(MUST BE COVERED)include her hair and nail.while prayer only she can avoid to cover her face and hand.its not traditional system like u said.and nobody compel to wear this,because if she want to follow the prophet words and if she want to gain heaven then they must obey islamic concepts.

Yes it is sad that they would turn to "prisoners" for finding partners, I dont get it...wouldn't it be better to be single than have a convicted criminal as a husband?

I seriously feel that no man should ever be given any incentive for any kind of marriage, especially in conservative societies. There are almost no matrimonial rights for the women. What will ensure her well being or safety after such kind of marriage?Secondly, has nobody ever heard of bionic eyes? Or especially trained dogs? Please overcome the mentality that finding the right groom is the only solution to all the plights of the damsels. Usually getting into a loveless marriage of 'convenience' is the beginning of all the evil (and I am sure most of us know what I mean).

magical words..........blurted thrice........can rid the man of the unwanted baggage.

FathimaH,

my husband tells me everything I need to know. He is muslim so I trust and beleive in him. It is not Rubbish what I said. I said it is traditional tribal ways that have these women cover their face partially or fully veiled. Not Required by Islam, even the Sheikha Mozah says women do not need to do this. Her personal style is rich with power and confidence, yet retains a real femininity.

Anyway, bless and pray for these blind women to have good humanane men, who treat her right. Anyone blind can lead almost normal life's. I recently saw a blind Chef on Masterchef. Her talent's are amazing, and just watching her cook blind by using her other senses is just what God provided her to do.

I know what you say is not rubbish, but as I told you there is deferring among many schools of thoughts in Islam as to the position of niqab. Personally I do it, by choice, having read and studied the evidences from the Quran and hadith,and I am one of the only ladies in my family to do so, as I come from a family of mixed faiths, beliefs and ethnicity. And I am with with the scholars and people of knowledge who say it is not mandatory, which is what the Sheikhah probably meant. Hope I didn't sound like I was dissing you in anyway. Sorry if I did.

I agree, blind people can possess great talents. Many great scholars were blind, not to mention many great individuals from around the world. It's sad then that these women have been made to feel so lowly and unworthy of marriages to eligible men of upstanding character. Hope and pray they indeed get all the love, happiness and success of this world and the next.

There are two issues being discussed here: hijab and marriage of the blind women.

Whether it is obligatory in Islam to cover the whole face is debatable. There are people on either side of the discussion. As someone with next to no mastery over the subject, I would not venture into the discussion by siding with anyone. However, I do find it despicable, to say the least, that some people even some ignoramous women find it wrong when other women put on hijab. I mean get a life losers! If I am a woman, and I like a part of my body to be covered, whether it is my foot or my face, it is my own personal issue. Who the hell are you to tell me anything about it? You can go around exposing your privates and I wont say a word, but if I am happy covering myself, why should that give you any pain in the hind side?

In my personal opinion, I respect every human being for the very fact of being human and regardless of whether or not they cover themselves. It is the right of every human to dress the way they like, perhaps going nude in public would be a little bit of infringment on others' right, yet to a good extent it is a personal matter.

As to the marriage for blind women, I think human beings with any infirmities are still as humans and deserve the same respect and compassion if not more. If there are prisoners, who are willing to treat their wives with dignity, there is no harm in allowing them to marry the blind (since the prisoners too are human). Some people might object as to why not any other men and just a selected group. Well, the problem is that most people would not be willing to get married to a blind woman and thus finding out people who would be willing is really a good idea.

Brother, yes the prisoners are human too but they are/were afterall wrongdoers for which reason they are in this state(except of course those wrongly imprisoned innocents).
As a woman who wants for my sisters what I want for myself, I wouldn't like that any innocent lady, blind or not, be given in marriage to a criminal simply because men of better standing in life refuse to marry them. That's very sad.
Of course supposing these prisoners have since repented and reformed, then I too see no issue in them marrying righteous women. Because after all who among us is without sin,sah?

Hmm, does that mean a blind woman enjoys the same status in society as a convicted criminal?

I know what you are saying but a criminal can be normal as well. Not every criminal is fallen from the height of humanity. Some criminals go on to become better people than many of us.

I know no one wants their sister or daughter to be wedded by someone who had committed a crime, but when there is simply no chance of a woman to be married, then I think a little bit of compromise is not a very bad idea.

Benson,I see...but do you not think that the "wali" was already considered , albeit not mentioned, in the article, as having a wali is common practice in above mentioned society?

Segmund, I am relatively sure that nobody is condemming the prisoners here. Point is, because a woman is blind, there are only prisoners to marry her? Do you not find this wrong on quite a few levels?
Does that not give a certain, IMHO not pretty, picture of above mentioned society?

some Qataris join this discussion because .. afterall it is about 'them' ..

that is precisely what I am trying to explain. stories are one thing, reality is another. why? they are two different words, they are spelt differently and they mean quite different things.

Segmund, in Europe.

"...my husband tells me everything I need to know. He is muslim so I trust and beleive in him. It is not Rubbish what I said. I said it is traditional tribal ways that have these women cover their face partially or fully veiled. Not Required by Islam,..."

Dear mimi, in Islam any view needs to be based on the references from authentic religious texts....and as sister fatimah pointed out there are some differences amongst the scholars on whether Face veil is compulsory/obligatory or not...but there is no difference amongst all leading scholars on the fact that wearing a face veil is better and more modest than not wearing a face veil.

".....Many Muslim women who speak on woman's rights, even say, they are brain-washed by MEN at very early age to wear these clothes, and memorize, memorize, memorize the qua ran....."

Muslim women who speak on women's rights are generally inspired by the feministic ideology of the west (which has done more harm to women than good) and more often than not are not aware about the rights islam offers to women. Secondly they want to promote the myth that islam oppresses women (that is how they get the support of their target audience).

However the point to note is that in islam women wear hijab not because men want them to ...rather it is because it is the command of god and even men have to wear hijab though the extent is different from women.

Both men and women in Islam are encouraged to memorize the Quran, and they memorize it because of the rewards associated with it ... not because someone is forcing them to do so...

Ahan, ok.

Benson, When one covers from head to toe, won't the the face be covered by default?

The same can be said about all our body parts then,habibthy. Why have legs and have to cover em? why have shoulders,chests etc and have to cover em?(since men can show their shoulders, chests etc)The fact of the matter is we Muslims women cover up because our Lord tells us so. And this command of God's is for as long as earth exists, be it 2012 or 2022! Besides men have their own dress code rules and other duties which we are exempted from.
And not all women who cover their faces, or men who support their wives/daughters/etc wearing niqab, think women who don't are sinners and inferior to those wearing face veils, at least I know I don't.
Again I mean no ill feelings, only clarifying why some of us do what we do.
Peace out!

Anyways this was a bit of a hijack and hope we all don't get a perfectly good thread deleted. Sorry Strawberry and sorry mods!

...... "Why do men not use lip sticks? Why do men not wear bras? Why do men not get paid the same amount of money as women if they choose to become sex workers? Why dont men not get pregnant? Why do a man not raped so easily if he is allowed to be in the company of unrelated, unruly women?"....''

/-a-t-/fatimah - it's okay..i wouldn't mind you high jacking the thread to clear some vague issues.. your explanations is very enlightening esp for a non-muslim like me..worth the read always :)

High regards for any thing said about God. I agree with you.

But you know those 5 questions were put up yesterday to 'mimiloves2sing' but still waiting for the response ..

And those were asked by someone else not me.

posted on Sun, 02/09/2012 - 10:51 pm above and find out ..

We are diverting from the topic, but;

Q: "Why do men not use lip sticks?
A: They do. Seen it myself

Q:Why do men not wear bras?
A: They can and sometimes do to manage their Moobs

Q: Why do men not get paid the same amount of money as women if they choose to become sex workers?
A: Men can get the same and sometimes get more.

Q: Why dont men not get pregnant?
A: Recently, there have been two cases of men getting pregnant and having a baby

Q:Why do a man not raped so easily if he is allowed to be in the company of unrelated, unruly women?"
A: Man can be raped easily. Go to Newcastle any Saturday night or Irish Harp at the weekend and wave a wad of money around.

Now can we get back to the topic..

A million thanks.

And what do you say , in the picture two of the women looking like real sisters ?

Probably he is on more friendly terms with me than you dear. And I know he is not a bad person at all. He is in fact quite something of a gentleman. However, his funny answers deserve a funny comment.

Thank you Benson, Thanks sister Fatimah.But I never was talking about the hijab. forgive me but, I clearly was stating it was an "opinion" of mine, that covering the face partially or with a full veil is not in Islam, it is just old tribal traditions.

Also I do not need to answer the 5 questions because they are ridiculous. Like expatbrit says.

Salam, and I have more important things to do with my life then respond. If I don't reply it is because I have a life, can't always be online for QL.

This post proves the adage that a Little Knowledge Is A dangerous Thing...:O(

Your most welcome.. Masalaama!

"...better to cover and hide the face!!! No disrespect meant here. God created us with a face same as men. Tell me why it needs to be covered up? BTW my husband sister's are muslim. but do not cover the face...."

Dear Mimi,

There Are No Analogies For The Sunnah (as is mentioned very nicely in the Kitaab Sharh us-Sunnah by Al-Barbahaaree)

"May Allaah have mercy upon you! Know that the Sunnah is not a matter for analogies or reasoning with examples, and desires are not to be followed in it. Rather, it is just a case of affirming the narrations from Allaah's Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), without asking how, explaining or saying: 'Why?' or 'How?'’

The definition of muslim is to surrender ones will to the will of Allah SWT
and
a muslim is person who believes in Quran & Sunnah UNCONDITIONALLY
as
Sunnah (prophets teachings, example, explanations etc.) is not a matter of analogies OR reasoning.
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Molten and benson - yes you are right :)

It was about Blind Women looking for partners and willing to marry prisoners.

However as usual, it was hijacked towards the hijab and face covering..

It is fascinating to see threads being diverted easily at QL

One problem is that most of us have "opinions" on religious issues based not on facts , but heresay and little true knowledge of the subject - yet we all profess to be experts :O)

It is matter of one's life so it is acceptable to encompass as many aspects as just crop up till the wedding day ..

It is not difficult to come on a galloping moral horse and preach others for what it should be like. However, it is not so easy to see the realities on the ground and describe them as they are.

No matter how much you debate it, the matter whether a full veil or a partial one, the dabate would still remain endless. The best middle ground is that, as things stand in our society, let those who want to cover their face do so. Those who dont, again it is purely their own choice. In their hearts they know, whether they are doing right or wrong. If they believe it is ok in Islam to expose your feet, hands and face, it is their own matter and I do not think God will punish them unless they know really that it was not ok.

As to the blind marrying the prisoner, may I request you again to get off your bloody moral horse and do a little bit of introspection. Would you yourself marry a woman who is blind? Perhaps you are far to humane than the rest of us and would be willing to do so on moral grounds. But believe me this is not the case with everyone. It is not even a matter of Qatari's. No where in the world are people with disabilities preferred equally as normal people when it comes to choosing a spouse. That is a stark reality (and I must say I hate it that I belong to a species which is selfish by nature).

People should change their attitude. You are right. (Let us ride this moral horse together for a while). They should not discriminate on color of skin, financial status, physical appearance or the presence of any disability. A blind person is as human as someone who is not blind. An ill person is still as human as someone who is healthy. A poor human and a rich human are only different in monetary terms.

Realities, however, still exist. Prisoners too are not dirt under your bloody feet! They are also equally human. Committing a crime (or being sent to prison wrongly) does not make you an animal for the rest of your life.

I think it is a very welcome decision on the part of those who came up with this idea. If they are able to find some people among the prisoners who are already about to complete their terms, who do not have heinous crimes like murder, rape etc. to their name, who have pledged to live a normal life, there is nothing wrong if they are allowed to marry a blind woman--- even if that means a mild relaxation in their punishment.