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Women's rights in West - Margaret Thatcher
it is about the time when Margaret Thatcher became Britain's Prime Minister 30 years ago.
UK is known for its democracy and liberit early in modern history (way before USA was formed and France to name a few) and yet, 30 years ago when the first female became the Prime Minister.
USA has never had a female president yet.
Pakistan, passionatelt attacked by Western governments for Islam extremism/terrorism etc, had its first Female Prime Minister in 1988!
what is interesting is that millions of people, thanks to ignorance and propaganda, still view East as lacking in women's leadership rights! probably you need to have a second thought.
To me, i don't mind if no women lead the west because people get to choose whom they want by election. I will not keep asking why no women are elected, because people decide.
However, we still see moaning Western governments accusing East of not allowing women to hold leadership positions and violating human rights while they themselves never implemented the consitutions which was written by blood and civil wars! what a disgrace! yet you see westerners (ordinary non governmental people) who blindly support thier governments based on pure misleading traps.
I leave you with some quotes on ignorance:
"Three minutes thought would suffice to find this out; but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time."
"If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem. It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge."
"Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of inert facts"
You may google to fight some ignorance, sorry, to read more quotes on ignornace.
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CuriousButDetermined said
I hope no one bring the ...I hope no one bring the election system into this forum. we are not discussing Election systems. The issue is judging women's rights based on how many women lead nations or become presidents.
UkEngQatar said
CBD for your information our ...CBD for your information our Head of State is Her Majesty the Queen Elizabeth for over 50 years now. I did not mention the Election did I?...lol
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britexpat said
I'm lost.. What have the ...I'm lost.. What have the quotes to do with the initial post ?
As far as female leaders are concerned, there have been many in europe. till recently, Newzealand had a female leader. israel had Golda Maeir.
Yes, "The east" has had female leaders, but apart from bandranaika and Gandhi, they have usually made a hash of things - pakistan, bangladesh, indonesia.
UkEngQatar said
Just to add to BritExpat ...Just to add to BritExpat list.
Ireland, Germany, Iceland just a few more countries that have had and still have female leaders.
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CuriousButDetermined said
stick to UK & US please who ...stick to UK & US please who is mostly critizing other nations!
queen elizabith may not be quoted here because she is not an executive figure!
quotes are supplement to this thread. It is meant to increase people awareness on how they could become decieved to false arguments made by UK & US leaders on how other nations' deal with women in this case.
tallg said
If you're going to control ...If you're going to control what we can say you should have listed the rules in your original post.
Your thread refers to Western governments (7th paragraph) so it's perfectly reasonable for people to respond with examples of Western governments who do have women in leadership positions.
britexpat said
CBD.. ...Queen Elizabeth (lilabet) is an executive figure. She is the leader of the C of E and also Official Head of the armed forces.
the British cabinet has a number of women in senior positions including ;
Tessa Jowell, Jacqui Smith, Harriet Harman, Hazel Blears , Margaret Beckett and even Shriti Vadera (cabinet office)
CuriousButDetermined said
tallg..consider it a ...tallg..consider it a correction...since UK & US are the two main western governments accusing other nations'..they also are two of 5 main leaders of the UN..sorry for not stating this earlier..
Brite & tallg...queens and kings are known to be of prestigeous type...you see.. Queen Elizabith does not get elected..she is known to be the queen since birth..mch like what is happening in middle..
However, UK implements democracy which does not affect Queen...should I say Queen is a dictator? not at all..should I judge mis use of power or proper use of power to her? not at all..
Winn said
CBD: First of all, trying to ...CBD: First of all, trying to play ring master in an online forum isnt 'done'. (Thats why we hav mods ;) )
Second: How did Bhutto, Gandhi or Bandaranayike become heads of state? All of them came from families that were in power and held sway over their respective parties just by virtue of a surname. and especially so in this part of the world, where Nepotism is quite the norm in the political scene. Would Ms. Bhutto have become the PM if she was just another party member and was not Mr. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's daughter?? Would any other woman become a head of state in Pakistan in the present date where they are almost giving the keys to taliban ?
Just because a woman became a head of state of a country can we ignore things like honor killings, domestic abuse, dowry and higher illiteracy rates? I for one, wouldnt say so. Donno abt your criteria.
tallg said
Ok, so which "constitutions" ...Ok, so which "constitutions" regarding women have the US and UK not implemented?
donosa said
also ... ...Angela Merkel is the chancellor of Germany...
Chile also has a woman as President, Michelle Bachelet
USA has Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State....
to name a few..
britexpat said
Don't forget Tzipi Livni, ...Don't forget Tzipi Livni, the little minx ....
CuriousButDetermined said
Winn, i don't know what ur ...Winn,
i don't know what ur first note meant and i don't think it merits response anyway..at least not in this thread..
secondly, if we use this argument that ghandi was from a particular family then the same applies in the west, not only to women but even to men, take the Bush family & the kennedy family for example.
education rate in US is higher than Pakistan? for example, let us charitably say yes, how in the hell did this prevent intelligent Americans from being decieved by leaders like Bush?
let us stick to leadership as i stated. things like honor killing, giving taliban the key are not facts if you think they are. However, i could mention arming Israel with nuclears so let us not go that far!
Tallg, women's right fall under human rights. Do you believe UK & US has not violated thier constutions when it comes to human rights? George Bush's installing wire taps on people's fones?
MR PAUL said
CBD, this isnt about womens rights. Its a thinly veiled attempt ...to,yet again,have another go at 'western' countries who YOU think are liars and hypocrits !
So why dont you just be man enough to come out and say that you think the 'west' is all corrupt and hypocritical.
Have some balls man !
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tallg said
Georgina Beyer is a ...Georgina Beyer is a transsexual, and was a member of parliament in New Zealand.
CuriousButDetermined said
yeah..but how many male ...yeah..but how many male president of the US up to now??
answer is all of them, why don't we see same number or equal number of sexes taking power periodically?
I could interpret this as a lack of women's right in the US for example, which i don't think is right whether east or west. However, western governments think otherwise. Actually they know the truth, and trick thier people to get support most of whom think otherwise.
britexpat said
tallg.. ...I saw a interview with her / him a few weeks ago. amazing personality.. i think she's now left the cabinet and gone provincial.
CuriousButDetermined said
MR Paul..i thought it is ...MR Paul..i thought it is clear by now :)
i admit that West is advanced in so many areas..
However, they should not think they are better because they are not...Western governments started WWI & WWII and used weapons which never has been used before against humans! to name a few.
this is not relevant to thread anyway so please stick to track!
just to point out in case it is misunderstood, which has been before. I have nothing against western people, but hate evil governments.
tallg said
cbd - Women's rights may ...cbd - Women's rights may well be a sub-set of human rights, but your thread is specifically about the sub-set, not about the more general issue of human rights. If you want to discuss human rights then start a thread on that.
You do yourself know favours the way you present information, change tact midway through a discussion, and dictate how people should respond. It completely undermines and discredits the otherwise sensible and informative discussion you've had elsewhere.
tallg said
Yes that's right brit. She ...Yes that's right brit. She was the subject of 'Peshard's People' on BBC World yesterday. It was quite interesting.
britexpat said
CBD.. ..."I have nothing against western people, but hate evil governments"
The simple fact is that MOST governments are evil. I do not agree with a lot of things my own government does. Governments exist to do things for the betterment of the country as a whole. the good thing is that I am free to voice my opinion against them and also try and vote them out every few years.
CuriousButDetermined said
tallg.. i am correcting the ...tallg..
i am correcting the flow of discussion to compensate for unclear points..
if u reply with something which u see relevant and i see non relevant...u could still post it.
CuriousButDetermined said
nice one brite..i have no ...nice one brite..i have no comment on that but total agreement..
should not evil governments stop accusing other good/evil governments of being evil??
This sounds like Donald Rumsfield statement but it does mean something here..
Winn said
My first note was in ...My first note was in response to your suggestion of sticking only to UK n US.Secondly you are missing my point about the family thing. I do agree that it has happened in west, but the question is would she have become a PM without that surname of hers? What are the chances of a man without a family backing becoming a prez or PM v/s a similiar woman getting there?How many other women leaders can you project from Pakistan?
Are you going to base ur case entirely on one woman? What about the rest? Millions of them?
and yes, honor killings and rise of taliban is defenitely gonna impact women's rights. You gotta have you head buried in concrete and not sand to deny that!
Btw, do educate me about women leaders in the current day political scenario in pakistan. Any chance of a female PM in the next coupla decades?
Gypsy said
It should be noted that no ...It should be noted that no woman has run for President until Hillary Clinton, and while I do think sexism played a part in her not being elected, I don't think it was the entire reason.
Fact of the matter is that percentage wise there's less women in politics in the West then men. So it's natural that there would be less female heads of state. However there are FAR more woman involved in politics in the West then there are in the East, and the woman involved aren't just members of the governing families.
Really, you're pointing out the exceptions not the rule.
MR PAUL said
Yeah, because 'eastern' governments are not evil, are they..... ...What a crock of bollox.
ALL GOVERNMENTS ARE EVIL AND CORRUPT. Even yours to a point so dont just blame the 'west' for all the trouble in the world, both past and present.
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CuriousButDetermined said
Winn, It happened in ...Winn,
It happened in Pakistan that a female held highest position in power. It has never happened in US that a female became as powerful.
if I am basing my argument on one lady, you are basing yours in none!
don't refer to Taliban man. just look at how US devotes resources to Israel. non relevant again but here you go!
tallg said
If all governments stopped ...If all governments stopped accusing each other of things then the bad things would never come to light and there'd be no incentive to improve things.
Would you rather everyone just kept quite and let all the bad things carry on?
CuriousButDetermined said
Gypsy.. i could use your ...Gypsy..
i could use your argument against you by saying that women in east are less involved in politics so it is natural not to see women in power though we have.
if we have an exception popping up in east and the rule dieing out in West what chances are you then considering!
Gypsy said
I'm enjoying the irony of a ...I'm enjoying the irony of a bunch of men discussing women's rights. :P
It should be noted that the Speaker of the House for Congress is a woman, and Hillary Clinton is Secretary of State. So.....
CuriousButDetermined said
tallg, tell me who is ...tallg,
tell me who is benefitting??
peopel still dieing more than ever as a result of unjustified intervention of westerners.
Israel/Palestine conflict has been a killing machine on daily basis as a result of intervention.
Iraqis dieing as a result of intervention.
Had US/US not accused Iraq and invaded it, US/British and other soldiers would have been enjoying weekens with thier families. Iraqis too would have been alive and kicking.
Gypsy said
You have a select group of ...You have a select group of woman who happen to be the daughters of previous great leaders who are making it in on their family names.
CuriousButDetermined said
Gypsy.. i am enjoying the ...Gypsy..
i am enjoying the arguements of a perfect propaganda victim.
Gypsy said
Those same Iraqi's who ...Those same Iraqi's who invaded Kuwait and killed thousands in Iran during their war? There's no such thing as an innocent country CBD....well except maybe Figi....
tallg said
cmd - come off it. Surely ...cmd - come off it. Surely you can see that many, many things in many, many countries all over the world have improved as a result of attention being drawn to them by other countries. Do you think Qatar would have made the steps it has so far with regard to human rights if attention hadn't been drawn to it by various reports? No, because there'd have been no incentive to.
CuriousButDetermined said
Gypsy.. Thanks for proving ...Gypsy..
Thanks for proving yourself as a victim of propaganda..
Western intervention has been the cause of both wars..would you bother to read the other side of the story ever?
US & UK has been supplying Iraq with weapons!
Gypsy said
I'm a propaganda victim ...I'm a propaganda victim becuase I don't agree with you???
tallg said
cbd - you realise your ...cbd - you realise your comments make you out to be as much as a propaganda victim as the rest of us!
Gypsy said
They were also supplying ...They were also supplying Iran with the weapons through a third party. Still doesn't mean they started the war.
tallg said
I think this thread has now ...I think this thread has now been twisted to it's desired direction, which is far from the original subject. So I'm out of here.
CuriousButDetermined said
Tallg.. i agree with you ...Tallg..
i agree with you there are benefits. Granted!
I would also attribute this to western powers mainly through UN!
however, let us calculate the net result. IRAQ, Palestine, Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan all have been dorrupt based on unjustified intervention which is also totally biased.
arecel said
including my own country, ...including my own country, women leaders from countries of the East come from political family dynasties. in fact, in AsiaPacific, only the New Zealand leader is elected based on her own merits. so i dont think having women leaders is a good gauge for women's right in these countries.
on the other hand, my country is credited for having many women top executives in business. i think for me this is a gauge for women's rights.
kadaut...
MR PAUL said
CBD, Iran is supplying weapons to moqtar al sadr and all his ...cronies, and last time i checked, iran is an 'eastern 'muslim country.So they are allowed to supply weapons to muslims to allow them to kill fellow muslims ?
I guess thats ok in your world isnt it ?
Im following tallgs' lead, Im done with this anti 'west' thread
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Winn said
CBD: How did she get to the ...CBD: How did she get to the seat of power? Also, dont you think basing a whole argument on one single incident is a wee bit absurd?
Citing a Ms.Bhutto and saying that Pakistan has better women's rights , IMHO is about as absurd as pointing at the Mahatma and saying India is a completely non-violent country. Or like citing Bin laden and saying all Saudis are terrorists.
Abt Taliban, why shouldnt they be spoken abt? Do you think their uprise is not gonna have any impact on women's rights?
Oh and am still waiting to be enlightened about the current female hopefuls in Islamabad politics.
CuriousButDetermined said
Mr Paul, Iran efforts come ...Mr Paul,
Iran efforts come down the chain of results cause by implanting Israel. So you are looking at the effect not the cause. Iran is responding to instability conditions cause in the first place by west. Your look comes from a narrow minded point of view which needs widening.
arecel..i agree with your measure.
tomsware said
i second.... ...i second CBD... coz UK and US dont' have female leaders but shouting to east for having female leaders... for other's info, India, pakistan and bangladesh have been having female leaders since long when UK/USA even can't dream of it...
cynbob said
Gypsy ...More than 30 women have run for the presidency of the United States:
Victoria Woodhull was the first to run in 1872
More recently: Elizabeth Dole in 2000
then lastly, Hilary Clinton
britexpat said
CBD.. ...benazir Bhutto probably did LESS for women's rights than many of the generals. She was a feudal Lord (lady) and exercised her power under the guise of democracy.
Withnail said
actually tallg... ...i would say that CBD's comments make him out to be the biggest propaganda victim in this thread.
my hat goes off to you, and gypsy, and brit, and paul, and winn. it's nice seeing so many engage in charity work, even if it goes nowhere.
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tomsware said
... women's right?... ...... i heard (donno whether it true or not) it was actually the 'men' who initiated 'feminism' so that they can sleep with others' wives.... (no offense).... but, jokes aparts, it has a deeper meaning...
Gypsy said
So the effect of Israel ...So the effect of Israel moving into the region was to cause the Arab/Persian countries to attack each other? :S Makes A LOT of sense. :P
Gypsy said
Tomsware, thank you for the ...Tomsware, thank you for the enlightening bit of Horseshit. Why don't you go back to watching your pornos now and leave us big kids to chat.
tallg said
tomsware - nice entrance ...tomsware - nice entrance into the discussion, but you're aware the UK had a female leader for 11 years? Her name's in the title of this thread.
CuriousButDetermined said
Withnail, either put your ...Withnail,
either put your argument or save it..no need to have your approach above..
we all could make jokes about one another!
i do charity too even if it goes no where.
Withnail said
CBD... ...please refer to the threads above about controlling public forums.
you're a little dictator at heart, aren't you?
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Oryx said
Curious ...Iran has been supplying weapons to the Taliban
Women's rights are going down hill in Afghanistan
http://www.rawa.org/...
Pure and simple where would I like to be born a female?
in a country
a) that legally regards me as equal
b) believes in my health care
c) believes in my education
d) the birth of a girl is seen as a blessing
Crappy places to be a woman, Albania, Afghanistan....both societies that use traditional tribal codes as laws.
And sad but true but when a lot of people leave their own country they do a lot better in another one because they take all the opportunities available to them and do very well....
CuriousButDetermined said
withnail.. you can see ...withnail..
you can see whatever you wish to..i would recommend putting argument here not thanking people for charity works which is a joke and does not help the thread nor does it show your intellictual ability.
tomsware said
... tallg ...... know what? 11 years? only?... in Bangaldesh, they are having for 17 years and the head of oposition is also female....
in last 38 years in bangladesh, you should know, 17 years had been ruled by female leaders...
india? indira had been prime minister in such a time when uk/usa even haven't heard the name of margaret, the iron lady...
pakistan?... i guess you at should know her name...
philipinies? search google...
/-a-t-/ gypsy, seems you are quite 'matured', please suggest us some pornos since you seem to be quite familiar with the 'thing'.... funny ... huh...
Oryx said
TallG ...britain has a history of great female leaders
Bodeccia
and of course Elizabeth 1 who was an amazing leader with great vision for England
tomsware said
/-a-t-/ gypsy.... ..... i think, you should go to hollywood.... right?... they know how to 'respect' women, rather than the east...
:)
(no offense!)
Gypsy said
And there are many women who ...And there are many women who are governors in the US, not to mention that two women hold two of the highest positions of power in the country....How many women are involved in politics is general in the East?
CuriousButDetermined said
oryx.. a through d are ...oryx..
a through d are excercised in east where economically possible...
your judging whole east based on Afghanistan? you don't need to prove Iran's supply to Taliban by the way!
same goes to you coming over to East! refer to ur statment:
"And sad but true but when a lot of people leave their own country they do a lot better in another one because they take all the opportunities available to them and do very well.... "
cynbob said
CBD ...Your ideas are as distorted as the pic on your avatar.
You continually try to pick apart the democracy process of the USA. It cannot be done.
You can try to disguise your hatred and jealousy of the West by starting a thread on women's rights, yet that does not hold water.
Over 30 women have run for the presidency position in the US. Starting with Victoria Woodhull in 1872. No, they did not win, but the democratic process allowed these women to run for this position.
You need to quit being such a spoiled sport---it's annoying.
Withnail said
CBD ...my comment about charity work was addressed to others, so please mind your own business.
you've got quite a set on ya fella - you claim that millions in the west are ignorant if they believe that women's rights issues are more advanced in the west than the east, and cite a few cases of nepotism as the basis for this claim. with all due respect, i have yet to see one intelligent well reasoned argument from you in this thread, so who are you to lecture others about proper debating etiquette?
and, once again, please refer to the threads above about controlling public forums.
calma calma el duce...
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CuriousButDetermined said
cycnbob.. i don't hate US, i ...cycnbob..
i don't hate US, i hate Evil. Unfortunately, most of US leaders have been Evil so far. I am basing things on facts!
in East, there are many women who ran for elections and made it not just applying!
you are biased cynbob.
tallg said
tomsware - It's good that ...tomsware - It's good that you can admit that your first statement that the UK "even can't dream" of having a female leader was wrong. It's often good to research these things before posting a comment.
And please, this isn't a "mine's bigger than yours" contest. It's a discussion. And anyways, mine is definitely bigger than yours.
Oryx said
CBD ...I am talking about something I know about....Afghanistan
with weapons coming in from Pakistan and Iran
I know where I live thanks
but would I have had the same educational opportunities to allow me to travel/live where I want if I was born in a country in the East?
tomsware said
tallg... .....you ruined your first lines of by your last line.... otherwise, it sounded rational...
why dont you realize, the western people that eastern people are not against westereners? ...
politicians of west and east are not better to each other... but, what are they doing? they are making us, the ordinary people, you and me, even fighting each other, even in qatar living !
its ironic and shame for us....
/-a-t-/ gypsy, with all due respect, people will remember 'sara palin' long long time .... lol
CuriousButDetermined said
withnail.. if you don't ...withnail..
if you don't think my arguements are well reasoned, i would strongly advise you to save the time, there are other forums around.
I will have to retype what i said so reread and probably you will accumlated enough experrience and ability to absorb so much info at once. I do admit many info have been given so try harder and I am waiting.
Gypsy said
Tomsware, the difference is ...Tomsware, the difference is at least those women are there by choice, not because they have no choice.
CuriousButDetermined said
Oryc..absolutely..alot of ...Oryc..absolutely..alot of eastern women go to west and other parts of the globe for tourism education work and otherwise freely.
Afghanistan has weapons which may have come from pakistand and Iran. Granted! this is not our issue. However, US armed Israel and India with NUCLEAR weapons! you still compare!!!
fubar said
Just to clear up an error ...Just to clear up an error mentioned earlier:
"Queen Elizabith does not get elected..she is known to be the queen since birth..mch like what is happening in middle.."
Actually, when she was born, she was never realistically expected to ascend to the throne. It was only as a result of the abdication of her uncle that she became heiress presumptive. Had her uncle stayed on the throne, she would never have been Queen.
As regards the rest of the thread, the logic seems to be, I guess, that since a woman has never been elected president of the US, for instance, then women don't have equal rights.
I'll split a hair and say that you are confusing rights and opportunity. Women have the constitutional right to be President, but no woman has yet been given the opportunity. As Gypsy pointed out, politics is still largely dominated by men and fewer women have the connections to become President. I doubt Hilary would have even been elected Senator had she not been married to Bill.
I wonder if we'll ever see the day when a Gulf country has a female Emir, or female heir(ess) apparent.
genesis said
oryx ...i remember you writing something about Croatia in one post. I'll be going there next month on a business trip. any tips?
...sorry for Hijacking
tallg said
I was stooping to your level ...I was stooping to your level tomsware, to make things easier for you to understand. You're right though, I should know better than to engage in d!ck waving competitions.
CuriousButDetermined said
tomsware..i love ur last ...tomsware..i love ur last post...really accurate..but no one wants to admit! few only!
i will remember palin too!
Clinton's Husband was US president before, Surname is as effective here!
Gypsy said
You argue about facts but ...You argue about facts but use terms like Evil....
tomsware said
/-a-t-/ gypsy, ...with due respect, ma'm, you want to say the female leaders of east came to power since they didn't have any choice? pardon?
Oryx said
Curious ...Yep weapons are used by people to kill others.....
this is much more complicated than the East vs West
stop polarising the two regions with your hatred..
I honestly believe that if i had been born in a country such as yemen or afghanistan I wouldnt have the education and job i have now...there arent the same opportunities
CuriousButDetermined said
fubar..no confusion of ...fubar..no confusion of Women's rights and opportunity though i would love to!
Do not reference US consititution for if we stick to it, no argument would be there. in other words, what constitution says is something and what gets to happen is entirely differnt issue.
Withnail said
CBD ...i would guess that you have never spent any time in the west, so why would i bother with someone who claims that millions of people he has never met are ignorant?
i have never met you so i can not say one way or another if you are smart or stupid. but your original post is ridiculous, and this IMHO has been proven by the people who i have thanked in my original post.
i think you should heed your own advice and reread what they have posted. i would ask you to try harder since you are clearly not addressing their comments but something tells me you have been trying quite hard already this morning.
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cynbob said
CBD ...That's it, "Cynbob, you're biased."
When you cannot defend your original posts (and this is not the first crazy one you've posted) you start bringing up everything under the sun except what you are originally arguing...that is so lame.
Once again, you prove that you have no clue what you're talking about.
Gypsy said
You are talking about one or ...You are talking about one or two women in a country of millions of women that have had the choice and opportunity to become leaders. And I was actually referring to your comment about Hollywood
As for your references to Palin, she is what she is, a conservative governor for Alaska. She wouldn't be my personal choice for governor, but I would vote Democrat. The point is, she had the opportunity become a governor, even though her husband/parents weren't poltical, and she was a Vice Presidential candidate. She did it all on her own. I might not agree with her politics, but kudos to her.
Gypsy said
Oryx, have you noticed we ...Oryx, have you noticed we are the only two women on this topic?
fubar said
So a constitution that ...So a constitution that enshrines the rights of women is not relevant to this thread?
Huh.
Maybe you should re-write your original post with a list of rules about what we are allowed to refer to, and what topics must stay off limits.
In any case, the most powerful women aren't just political figures, they include Supreme Court Justices, business figures, media figures, and top level bureaucrats .
Just because a woman hasn't been President doesn't mean that women can't be powerful.
It's also worth noting that during the time that Thatcher was PM, there were almost no women in her cabinet. However now during Brown's tenure as PM, there are at least a handful.
I would argue that 'women' are more powerful when they make up a number of top level positions, even if the PM is male, compared to having an individual woman as PM surrounded entirely by men.
(I put women in inverted commas not to be patronising, but to denote a difference between individually powerful women, and women as a general gender group. I hope that's not offensive to the 2 females posting on this thread.)
cynbob said
Gypsy ...I'm a woman and I have been in the mix. ;)
Gypsy said
Sorry Cynbob! I thought ...Sorry Cynbob! I thought with the bob you were a guy. Ok, so there's three of us arguing with men about our rights. :P
fubar said
I love this thread, coming ...I love this thread, coming as it does so soon after the departure of the only 2 female ministers in this country.
It's amazing how different people's perspectives can be. Some might think that this country is inherently sexist, yet others think not.
It's got me wondering, who would the top 10 most powerful women be in this country. Can anyone even name 10? What about a list of 10 whose surname isn't Al Thani??
Gypsy said
Out of the 10 powerful women ...Out of the 10 powerful women I know the surname is either Al-Thani or Al Fardan.
cynbob said
fubar ...Great point! Where's CBD?
Withnail said
i think he got tired.... ...of having his [Let's not get blocked by the Telco] handed to him by a bunch of poor ignorant repressed western women. he probably feels hurt that all of you are taking the pain & anger you feel at having no rights and unleashing it on him.
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