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"Let's Give Freedom of Information a Future"
Is death imminent for the Doha Center for Media Freedom's motto and mission? From Al-Sharq via the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingto...):
The man whose name has been tied for years to press freedom and the defense of journalists worldwide from his Paris perch, then transplanted to Doha to start a similar gig, has become the bête noire of a leading Qatari paper that accused him of promoting "immorality" and insulting Qataris.
"It's been a year since the center opened, and six months since it became operational, at phenomenal cost, and it was hoped it would provide added value to the local landscape, but it hasn't, and its limelight-seeking director has limited himself to fiery statements," blasted the editor in chief of the daily Al Sharq on Sunday.
The editor was referring to Robert Menard, who set up the Doha Centre for Media Freedom , with blessings from Qatar's emir, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, and under the patronage of the country's first lady, Sheikha Mozah bint Nasser al-Missned. Editor Jaber Al Harmi also slammed Menard for not being a team player, a trait he alleged the Frenchman carried over from the time he founded and headed Reporters Sans Frontiers, or Reporters Without Borders.
"Menard not only got rid of Qataris from the organization, but repeatedly insulted the state of Qatar; most recently by lambasting our brothers in Dubai who tried to limit the toxic effects of obscene websites, notably through YouTube in the United Arab Emirates," Al Harmi said. He added that Menard's excoriation of the Dubai police chief -- charged with maintaining the Emirates' moral standards - meant the former wanted the latter to allow websites that insulted Islam and deities and promoted blasphemy in the name of press freedom...
read the rest of the article on the Huffington Post:
Do you think this is simply a case of a bad match between the director of the DCMF and TPTB in Qatar?
Or if the DCMF is an oxymoron to begin with and an idea that could never work here?
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tallg said
Oxymoron to begin with. I ...Oxymoron to begin with.
I don't think it should ever have been set up here.
The government and the country as a whole obviously isn't ready for someone to come in and criticise them, and the DCMF obviously isn't ready to work in a country where there are still such strong media restrictions.
Both sides were sold something by the other, but in the end neither got what they expected.
The sooner Qatar stops touting it's press freedom and admits that it doesn't exist the better. I'd much rather they had a restricted press and were truthful about it, instead of trying to promote something to an international audience that clearly doesn't exist.
MikaylasMom said
After tallg's comment, ...After tallg's comment, nothing more needs to be said. He nailed it.
Motherhood...The hardest job you'll ever love! : )
tallg said
Sorry! I'm sure there are ...Sorry!
I'm sure there are lots of divisions among TPTB. That's why I think this country will struggle to develop further than it already has - because any decisions being made now are going to upset a Sheik somewhere, and there'll immediately be pressure to stop things happening.
I'm not saying Qatar wont progress, but it's going to become harder and harder the further they go.
Perhaps the promises made to the DCMF were made in good faith and TPTB truly believed these promises could be kept, but they didn't account for the backlash it would provoke. I'm purely speculating here.
Having said that, there are clearly issues with this Menard character, and perhaps Qatar should have thought twice before letting him set up here.
qatari said
Surely newspapers being so ...Surely newspapers being so harshly critical of a decision taken by TPTB is proof in itself that the press in Qatar has a lot of leeway?
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britexpat said
Reporters Sans Frontiers is ...Reporters Sans Frontiers is a worthy organization. However, DCMF and especially Menard need to realise that "Change takes time and effort". This is the Middle East and NOT Europe or USA. Both sides need to step back, look at the mistakes / misunderstandings and move forward step by step.
Mandilulur said
Fascinating article, thanks, ...Fascinating article, thanks, PM!
Mandi
Alexa said
I think a person heading a ...I think a person heading a center that will criticize Qatar and its rules in one way or another , MUST have extensive ME experience. This person has to able to criticize, nudge and if necessary, slam in a way that is subtle, yet effective.
One can't expect a person who grew up and worked in a totally different culture to know, understand and being able to handle such a role in the ME.
I also think it actually could be done, by the right person.
Hopefully this person will be searched for and found.
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
tallg said
I don't think the original ...I don't think the original purpose of DCMF was to criticise Qatar and other ME countries. But part of the deal to be based in Qatar was that Qatar would start allowing more media freedom and journalist rights. But when these promises were reneged on, Menard got annoyed and turned his sites on Qatar. That's how I see it.
Alexa said
Tallg, I have used the wrong ...Tallg, I have used the wrong word. Criticize should be replaced by change.
This man was/is hired to change things. I am sure this can be done....BUT it has to be done in the ME way....as in "I give you this , you give me that".....nothing is for free or comes easy....unless it is a trade off.
This is why I said the person HAS to have ME experience.
I think a highly experienced mediator may be able to pull it off...lol
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
bleu said
I would agree ...I would agree with almost everybody here,
I'd suggest that Robert Menard slow down, learn a little about our collective psyche and culture, and read two books:
(Sorry, the books just came to my mind, and I think they would be helpful)
qatari said
bleu ...Smart comment. I wish more people would take understand the "collective psyche and culture" of the people in the Middle East.
I still amazes me how many people think they can just transplant foreign values the way they ship in Coca Cola!
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Mandilulur said
I'm afraid that Menard might ...I'm afraid that Menard might be a bit of a "character" and may see cultural adaptation as capitulation.
Mandi
Alexa said
Errmmmmm...aren't all the ...Errmmmmm...aren't all the posts below my post petty much what I said in my post??
Sorry about repeating "my post"...;)
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
bleu said
Yes, but since we can't edit ...Yes, but since we can't edit it like wikipedia, we post a new modified copy each time, building on the previous post.
:)
Alexa said
bleu...lol But getting back ...bleu...lol
But getting back to the thread, I think if the people who come to help ad the people who had asked for help would try to understand and tolerate the differences, things would be a lot better.
Now, in the Monsieur Menard's case, I think he simply had no idea who and what he would be dealing with.
As so many Westerners do not....
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
Alexey said
I saw Mr Menard at the ...I saw Mr Menard at the Conference devoted to The Press Freedom Day in Intercont on May 2. Such a smart and energetic person! By the way he was trozkist&leftist and those guys don't care about common differences between the West and East.I suppose Qatar shouldn't have dealt with him but things have gone very far and it does him credit!He is sustainable.8-)))
Alexey said
Sorry? what's TPTB, low ...Sorry? what's TPTB, low samaht?
bleu said
The Powers That Be ...The Powers That Be
lusitano said
Incredible Qatar! ...Incredible Qatar!
metronide said
Doha Centre for Media Freedom ...Regardless of what detractors say, I think everyone in Qatar and the Middle East should appreciate the efforts made by the DCMF. I mean, its the only organization of its kind in the entire region. And would it be fair for DCMF to be mum over censorship in Qatar and slam UAE? After reading the article posted on QL, I visited their website and found DCMF is doing loads of good in the world. But, maybe the region and local press is not yet ready for criticism. All of us hear rumors about stuff in this country but no newspaper dares report it because of censorship. And interestingly, Qatar was the only GCC state to have formally abolished press censorship way back in 1995. DCMF should continue its work and remain in Qatar because it shows that the high authorities here are very serious about press freedom in Qatar though editors may believe otherwise due to their own personal interests. Look at Al Jazeera. They damaged Qatar's foreign relations with many countries by their coverage but never did they speak about Qatar. Al Jazeera is brave as a lion to speak of starvation deaths in Darfur, Sudan or some other remote corner of the world. In all these years of existance, Al Jazeera has never reported on a single expatriate worker or laborer starving because of delayed or unpaid wages. It highlights conditions in refugee camps in Sri Lanka, Pakistan...but has it ever dared visit a labor camp in the Industrial Area. After all, those who live in labor camps in Qatar are also humans. In sharp contrast, DCMF has spoken against censorship in Qatar and addressed issues that were taboo before. Robert Menard is from France. And France has a long history of press freedom. There is no harm in employing a foreigner to head a Qatari organization. We see it everywhere- banks, oil and gas companies, private firms....Let's give DCMF a fair chance to succeed. I wonder whether these editors who write against DCMF have as much guts to oppose the Al Jazeera channel?
Alexey said
OK! 8-))))))) ...OK! 8-)))))))
CuriousButDetermined said
and now Qatar is under ...and now Qatar is under scrutiny, needlessly :)
I wish that:
1- We have perfectly free press.
2- sign up all treaties on the world wherever there is an international consensus.
3- no problems exists in Qatar.
and the list goes on and on.
Unfortunately, I became a disullioned citizen and I greatly believe in conspiracy theories, simply because no one can prove the opposite.
Moreover, my wishes do not exist anywhere.
I will be very glad upon closure of DCMF not because i hate free speech, which i don't, but because we are better off without it given the current situation.
tallg said
I think you're right CBD, ...I think you're right CBD, Qatar would be better of without the DCMF at this moment in time.
popcorngirl said
I think it is too much too soon ...May be wrong on my facts but is Qatar really in a way only 46 years old. I know, I know, don't shout me down it has been ages but I think you know what I mean.
I would be pissed of (sorry do not wish to offend here) if say a Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Muslim tried to impose there ideas on my country, if it were 'new'. Look at the progress in this country; it is astounding.
If the Qataris are not ready for freedom of press/speech. So be it.
They have Al Jazeera which is ground breaking. Let them evolve when they want in the pace that suits them not the rest of the world.
I have seen what freedom of press can do and it is horrible.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Alexa said
True, but the problem is, ...True, but the problem is, they said they wanted it and took steps to get it...and when it was in the works, all hell broke lose....as I said, I think it is possible, with the right person in charge.
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
popcorngirl said
Sometimes ...The people in charge may want it but then what about the man on the street? They may not want it? It must be a difficult balancing act, to move forward but what if the 'common man' does not want it.
Most of the leaders have had a Western Education so have 'seen' the West but most have not. They must be scared.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
qatari said
metronide ...As PM has already poked a hole in your tireless defense, I'm not sure if it is even worth mentioning that even your closing argument is incorrect.
The local press often takes Al Jazeera to task...but of course, that doesn't neatly fit in your world view then does it?
Perhaps you can make up some other facts to support your arguement?
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Alexa said
popcorn....most Qataris have ...popcorn....most Qataris have either lived and/or traveled abroad. They know very well how things work in other countries.
Some the 'Elite" although often Western educated, are, or so I have been told,either Nationalist or Islamist.
And yes, it is for sure a very difficult balancing act for the Ptb.
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
gadarene said
erm...Alexa,what needs to ...erm...Alexa,what needs to change is the "ME way"...so change can be done that way is extremely ironic...press freedom,or any freedom for that matter & the middleeast aren't words that go together anywhere on the planet...so what needs to change first & foremost is the "way" these guys do things...& before you say "when in Rome",i'd repeat what Tallg said that they shouldn't have had it here in the first place...'cos as things stand,that really is the "ME way"...a facade of freedom & reality but scratch a wee bit under the surface & one sees it for what it is,which is anything but "free" & they have a right to it as it's their country...what irritates is the facade of reality & freedom that's projected...
popcorngirl said
Bozo ...I don't think any country has the right to impose their culture, views, religion and 'ways' on anybody else.
If you come to Australia, you live the Australian way.
I come to Doha, I respect your ways.
No shit. I do not want or desire anybodys religion/culture for me. I am happy.
I expect most feel like that.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
popcorngirl said
I will hoist that up the ...I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
CuriousButDetermined said
I go for that too! ...I go for that too!
edifis said
Press freedom is not a ...Press freedom is not a requirement in a monarchy. Monarchy and "Freedom of press" cannot coexist peacefully.
popcorngirl said
Freedom of speech ...means:
men who are accused of rape, named and shamed and then not found guilty whilst the woman walks free.
Ditto with men/women who are accused of crimes against children.
ditto with people who are having 'affairs'.
Adresses being given
people being photographed whilst attending a funeral.
people being stalked for no reason.
Stuff freedom of press and speech, sometimes they should be gagged!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
edifis said
Can Qatari,do away with the ...Can Qatari,do away with the moderators on QL? If Qatari did so for a few days to experiment with "freedom to post anything on the forum" what would happen to QL?

CuriousButDetermined said
popcorngirl..Awesome! I go ...popcorngirl..Awesome!
I go for "free & responsible" media.
Alexa said
popcorn...did you just call ...popcorn...did you just call me bozo?
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
Alexa said
gardarene, maybe I have not ...gardarene, maybe I have not made myself clear. I did not speak of the actual freedom of press, but about the way it can be achieved.
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
popcorngirl said
No Alexa ...if I was going to call you anything it would be shit stirrer not bozo.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Alexa said
Ah but of course...true ...Ah but of course...true pikey style! :)
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
popcorngirl said
Thank you for your observations Alexa ...Pikey is a slang word for Gypsy, just to save you the effort of looking it up.
I am not a Gypsy, however I can be rude, dependent on the provocation and level of stupidity being displayed.
If I am honest, you have been a consistent annoyance to me, since I joined 2 weeks ago, particularly with your Don of the QL Mafia attitude.
You have little to offer in terms of insightful input, hiding behind patronising comments, levelled usually at the most fun aspects, because you don't get the irony of humour - With you being a miserable bitch and all.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Alexa said
popcorn...you must read more ...popcorn...you must read more that the heading on wiki ....you see, it is contemporary slang for the "Irish"...now don't get me wrong...the Irish are great people...my best friend is Irish...but you, sadly are a pikey....:( obviously.....
There is always hope......as God helps those who help themselves
cryogenic said
promoting immorality?? ...promoting immorality and insulting qataris has nothing to do with it.
people are trying to settle scores with him for having brought Flemming Rose into Doha.
while I dont justify all actions of Menard, he has the conviction and guts to stand up for something that he belives in ( which most of the so called world leaders dont have today)
knowing his effervescent behaviour, qatar shudnt have set up the whole thing in the first place.
several actions of qatar seem very hasty just to attract world opinion with the splurge of new found wealth, without proper application of mind.
by shutting the centre down and sending him back, qatar will inflict a very embarassing injury on itself.
tallg said
Yes, I guess that's the ...Yes, I guess that's the dilemma Qatar has - keep the DCMF on and accept the continued outbursts from Menard and co, or get rid of it and deal with the international embarrassment.
popcorngirl said
Alex ...I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.
I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
britexpat said
tallg.. ...These "transitions" take time and effort from both sides - This is something especially Monsieur Menard has to understand. I am sure in the long run, Qatar will benefit.
tallg said
Article in yesterday's ...Article in yesterday's Economist, pretty much saying exactly what we've discussed above; http://www.economist...
MLK said
Ahh la la Robert Menard again ...No way...I know Robert Menard for long now as a French citizen and I can say how much he is aligned with some politics and agendas.
He will just do what his "chiefs" will tell him to do.
A good example was his intervention in a French radio about Guantanamo, he allegedly legitimated the torture, declaring that it was normal to use it against potential "terrorists", while our friend from Al Jazeera was detained there...
(see see in French (use translate tool if you need english translation)http://www.alterinfo.net/Quand-Reporters-sans-frontieres-legitime-la-torture_a11106.html)
If you find how his organization is funded (RSF or RWB in english), you will understand how this guy is not reliable, fair and certainly not objective in his reactions
( at http://www.alterinfo...)
As a global propaganda was going on against China, Mr "puppet" was rushing to interfere with the Olympics ceremonies to create a mess for his "bosses". Strangely, his actions have always followed same agenda.
Sorry, but when I knew he was coming to Doha, I also knew that it was time for troubles. Thanks for Al Sharq or Al Watan and freedom to tell some important facts and truth! A Freedom for the Press organization: yes of course, but with independant people heading it!
CuriousButDetermined said
Interesting! I wish I could ...Interesting! I wish I could read/speak French! but you gave a good summary anyway.