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Differance between shia and sunni muslims
Hi, qler
Please, i would like to know some major basics which divide shia and sunni muslims.
Most important, i would like to know which one of them is the real islam?
Thanks for your peaceful comments.
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fefee said
please no copy and past ...please no copy and past answers,prefer personal knowlege or understanding.
if i wanted a copy and past, no need of postion on ql, cus i could googl it myself.
cheers
action speaks louder than words
stealth said
Better google it and find ...Better google it and find out for yourself
fefee said
please post, ONLY if you ...please post, ONLY if you have an answer.
do you believe that i didt gogle it? do you belive i never read about it??
i posted because i need to hear from PEOPLE, not from WRITERS.
PS.PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY COMMENT TO THIS THREAD IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A USEFUL ANSWER
action speaks louder than words
umm-salayum said
of course the sunni Muslims ...of course the sunni Muslims are on the right path , but even the Sunni Muslims have so many different sects in it's self.
The Shia , do one of the worse things you can do in Islam, which is worshiping others beside Allah, it is called Shirk.
And Allah forgives what he wills ,but he doesn't forgive shirk
snake_eyez said
well ...when shias are in any trouble they say "ya ali" instead of saying "ya ALLAH" for help.this is shirk and we can only call ALLAH for help not any person who ever he or she is and shirk is an unforgiveable sin.
this is a simple example for knowing who is following the right islam
nite_rider said
agree wid umm salayum ...sunni Muslims follow the right way
stealth said
did you search the forum? ...did you search the forum? there was already a thread about this some time back. Then put up the question.
_noms_ said
this was already discussed ...this was already discussed before fefee...anyways, i dont know y did u put this thread...however, i would respond u just the major difference..
Sunni : believes in one & only Allah & only call him for help.
Shia : believes in Allah but also believes in other "Hassan, hussain, Ali etc." which is contradictory to Sunnis.
~noms~
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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein
wizz14 said
hi, ...all sects are real muslims (Sunni, Wahab , Shia or etc).
becuase all has same Basic belief. (For e.g one God, Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) , Same salat, fastings, day of judgment and etc).
they are divided due to different interpretations.
Some interpretations are extremly wrong which made very very wide difference. But such type dirrences are not more then 5%.
Beleif of ALi, Hassan or hussain doesn't mean that it is shirk unless someone treat them same as Allah. and Shia's not treating them same as Allah. So It is wrong perception.
Ali is friend and son-in-law of Our Prophet (PBUH) and Hassan and Hussain are grand-sons (Sons of Ali) of Our Prophet (PBUH). Therefore, they are beloved to our Pophet and we should respect them.
I am not shia but i believes that they are also muslims like all other sects.
britexpat said
Probably best to ask a ...Probably best to ask a scholar or better still why not do the research yourself.
bestinbusiness said
I think we should not speak ...I think we should not speak about religious issues in public coz may be without knowledge we might hurt some people of these religion.
I strongly agree with BRITEXPAT
DaRuDe said
the best ...is to seek a scholar
nomerci said
The rude wolf is here ! ...The rude wolf is here ! Wallah, now I am nervous!
You come from your dark cave, wallah, here it is nice,better for you to stay here.Wallah!
What comes around, goes around....
Khalid the tiger said
Big Big differences ...Some Shia for example thinks that the our prophet Mohammad was choosen by mistake to be the last messenger, they think that the messenger should have been Ali.
Ok for more information please search on the net.
Eco-savvy said
for your awareness ...http://www.allaahuak...
fefee said
i read about it and have ...i read about it and have some idea on whats the basic differace between the shia and sunni muslims.
i was only asking to know what the muslims them self think and how many of them realy know. i have heard a lots of time when shia critisized sunni and vise verser.
my question again why do they hate each other? why do they fight against each other. only asking to know personal opinion.
ps.sorry if ive put out another religious thread. i know people are bored of religious topics.
action speaks louder than words
PM said
It's interesting that so many Muslims who have no problem with ...disagreeing with Christians and vigorously prosecuting their case about why Christians are on the wrong path, don't want to speak honestly and openly about this issue. Intriguing, isn't it?
The reality is that many Sunni Muslims believe that Shi'a are not "real" Muslims or are seriously misguided because of certain beliefs and practices. I personally am Sunni, but I have some Shi'a friends. Even so, we generally don't discuss religion because I have some serious issues with their ideas and practices, which I view as innovation (bi'dah); and they view me in the same manner.
The biggest split is about the succession after the death of the Prophet (saw). Shi'a believe that Muslim should be led by descendants from the Prophet (saw) and Sunni believe that leadership should come from those most knowledgeable (bloodline not being important). Furthermore, It comes down to divided attitudes towards Abu Bakar (ra), the Prophet's close friend, confidante and father-in-law; and Ali (ra), the Prophet's son-in-law and cousin.
I like this article on the subject: http://www.islamfort...
That said, Allah knows best.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
DaRuDe said
nomerci ...do you mind changing your lipliner color now
use dark one now.
sefri said
This is my opinion from what ...This is my opinion from what I understand and from my studying of Shias and their disputes with Sunnahs.
It is very hard for a non-Muslim to understand the real differences between Shia and Sunnah.
Some Shia groups are close to Sunnah beliefs and have a lot in common, but these are a minority and are themselves rejected by the majority of Shia groups enough to be considered traitors.
The Shia believe that the real prophet Allah wanted was Ali (prophet Mohammed's cousin) and that the angel Allah sent his message with (Gabriell) betrayed his mission and sent it to Mohammed (Not by mistake as many think).
They believe that the holy family of Ali (which includes Mohammed) are sacred, perfect and can never sin or mistake in general. They call them "Aal Al-Beit"
They especially believe that 12 members of the holy family are so sacred and holy that they posses powers resembling those of God (Allah). Many of the extreme groups believe that these twelve members (called the "12 A-Emma" meaning the 12 Imams) control the universe, decide the final day, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. They practically make them the ultimate power of this universe!
This is the biggest contradiction Shias have with Sunnahs who believe only in the one ultimate immortal power of God (Allah) who does not share this with any other creature whatsoever.
The Shia believe that 11 holy members of the sacred family have already passed away and one is still to come and save the world.
Their dispute with the Sunnah begins as early as the prophet was wrongly appointed in their point of view.
They also consider that all Mohammed's friends and colleagues were betrayers except for a small number of individuals (this means that almost 125,000 colleagues of Mohammed are considered betrayers and non-believers who repelled from Islam except for 6 to 10 individuals in their point of view).
Even their rituals are different from Sunnah's!
They generally do not consider the holy pilgrimage to Mecca, but to the tomb of Al-Hussain (Ali's son and one of the 12 holy Imams). Some of them refuse to pray unless they have a portion of sand from Al-Hussains tomb area to land his/her head on.
They consider that the Quran we have between our hands is false and that the real Quran is the one Fatima (the daughter of Mohammed and wife to Ali) had hidden.
In their opinion, it is very different to the one the Sunnah have.
Plenty of Shias don't reveal this belief because of the following:
They have "Al-Tukia" principal which means to behave and do something while believing the opposite. They can treat you well and consider you a friend while believing you are their enemy and go on with this for a life time.
It is considered part of their religion.
Sunnah's consider this as Hippocratic.
They are famous in this to gain followers and have succeeded in many parts to expand their powers. This is nowadays a political art of the Iranian government.
Examples of expansion are: Iraq, Pakistan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar.
Here in Qatar, I believe the government is trying to reduce their influence and authority as much as possible after having seen what they can do when they get to authority. The biggest example is Iraq.
In Iraq, the Shias have taken the ruling part and are now an ally to Iran. The friendship with the Amercians is only a "Tukia" means to get authority and kick out the Sunnah from ruling.
This may sound strange, but only time will tell what I am claiming here...
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When dealing with myself: You don't get a second chance to make a first impression.
MR PAUL said
The majority of Bahrainis are of Iranian descent, and are Shia. ...But the Royal family are Sunni, which is one of the reasons why theres so much rioting here.
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a [Let's not get blocked by the Telco].
DaRuDe said
may i know ...how many shias have commented on this thread. right now i only see comments by sunnis only.
KellysHeroes said
Wait for me Da ...===================================== http://www.qatarlivi...
KellysHeroes said
I did not know that MP is Sunni ...===================================== http://www.qatarlivi...
DaRuDe said
Kelly Paula ...keeps changing his religion every 5minutes thats when he find cons in one he converts to an other.
KellysHeroes said
LOL Da ...So Paula should the the expert Mulla here :)
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MR PAUL said
Eh ...... How am I a sunni muslim ? ...Im just commenting on the state of play here.
You pair of bullies :P
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I think you have me confused with someone who gives a [Let's not get blocked by the Telco].
MissX said
Both Sunni and Shia Muslims ...Both Sunni and Shia Muslims believe their own particular religion is the 'real one', and that the other has falsehoods. There are more Sunni Muslim followers, therefore you will get more people saying Sunni is the correct path.
But to be honest, there is no real Islam. Even if the Quran is God's own words, it is now being read by people, and no matter how much we think we know what a sentence means, we are human, and we are fallible.
UkEngQatar said
All I know is that Sunni and ...All I know is that Sunni and Shia are not that bad compared to the Wahabi's.
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DaRuDe said
Miss Xyz ...There is no REAL ISLAM?
it means then there is no REAL Religion.
KellysHeroes said
I agree with sefri ...But there is a mistake that most people commit.
Sunna or Sunni is not a sect. The word Sunna refers to Muslims who followed Prophet Mohd words and actions, in addition to Quran which our main source.
Being the Prohpet followers does not classify us as a sect. We are simply Muslims. Where as the followers of the Prophet's relatives or friends can be classified as a sect.
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Victory_278692 said
Fefee.......The Real Islam? ...The fight is to prove who follows the real Islam?
Obviously Sunni follows the real Islam....which is original while all other sects been disects from the parent!
Rizks said
u will get many answers from ...u will get many answers from this question ?
but difficult to say which one is right ? as everyone has their own belief or understandings
Better to consult a scholar as Da has mentioned.
Cheers !!
umm-salayum said
Question: What is the ...Question: What is the meaning of the following Hadith: "My Ummah will be divided into 73 sects. All of them will be in the Hell-Fire except for one sect"?
Who is that sect? And will the seventy-two sects live forever in [the] Fire, as the Mushrik will or not? And does the term 'Ummah' of the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) apply to those who follow him as well as to those who do not, or is it to the former only?
Answer: What is meant by the term 'Ummah' in this Hadith is the Ummah of response which shall be divided into seventy-three sects; seventy-two of which are deviant who practice innovated religious practices that do not constitute apostasy. Each shall be tortured in accordance to its innovations, and deviation, except for those whom Allaah pardons and forgives. Their final abode will be Paradise. The only sect that will be safe is Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama'ah, who adhere to the Sunnah of the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and hold fast to what he and his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) were holding. It is they about whom the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said: "A group of my Ummah shall remain steadfast, on the truth, victorious, unharmed by those who oppose them, and do not support them, until the death or until the Day of Resurrection." [1]
As for those whose innovation casts them out of Islam, they belong to the Ummah of invitation (mankind at large) not the Ummah of response. They shall remain in the Hell-Fire forever, and this is the most valid opinion.
It is also said that the term 'Ummah' in this Hadith means the Ummah of invitation, which is a general term including all those to whom the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was sent (i.e., mankind) those who believe and those who do not believe. Whereas the term 'the saved sect' is the Ummah of response, which strictly applies to those who believe in the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), trustfully, and die on this condition. This is the sect that will be safe from [the] Fire; either by prior punishment or without prior punishment, and their final abode will Paradise.
umm-salayum said
forgot source : 1] ...forgot source :
1] Al-Bukhari nos. 71, 3641 and Muslim no. 1920.
The Permanent Committee
Source: Fatawa Islamiyah, Vol. 1
jessshan said
Leave it my dear friends ...and dont comments on this thread anymore..Leave it to Allah..
dmigtysolomon said
I thought only in Christianity there is divisions,.... ...even in Islam it exist! Lol!!!!
"Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship"
zwaqas092 said
Allah is only ONE ...Allah is only ONE
DaRuDe said
muhammadonly what makes you think ...she is a troll???? just because you dont have an answer you will come up and say she is a troll?
Alot of Qlers know her and have meet her including me.
she asked about something so answer that
And she isnt asking if Allah is one or two
her question was about the difference btwn 2 biggest sect of Islam.
MagicDragon said
Muslim groups and sects: 1. ...Muslim groups and sects:
1. Sunni 90% of all Muslim
2. Shia less than 10% of all Muslim
3. Khariji
4. Sufi
5. Druze
6. Alawi
7. Wahhabi
8. Qutbism
9. Nation of Islam
10. Black Muslim
Groups 3 to 10 account for less than 1% of all Muslims.
umsarmad said
the shouldnt fight because ...the shouldnt fight because it is a person choice to beleive whatever he think is true
I think they dont know how to respect others thoughts and opinion
I talked to many shia and they denied what it is said against them
MagicDragon said
And one more thing: Shia ...And one more thing: Shia believe that only blood-relatives of Muhammed (Ali) are legitime Khalifas. That's all.
UkEngQatar said
MD.. The Prophet Mohammed ...MD.. The Prophet Mohammed blood line came from his daughters? Not that he did not have any son, all of his son died when they were young. Now for all the beleivers Is Allah saying that in Islam woman is more important than man? Just a thought to provoke thinking?
It a bit like the Divinci Code and the Blood Line of the Christ still exists?
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Stone Cold said
The best option is to accept ...The best option is to accept all of them. Chances to pick the correct one is more, in turn closer towards god.
majidmajidi said
both of them ...are real islam fefee, you dont need to wory about it.
:-)
MagicDragon said
UK, you are right. Ali was ...UK, you are right. Ali was the son-in-law. I think that's what is meant.
Khalid the tiger said
Here is the truth ...As our prophet Mohammad was set to be the last messenger, it was decided by God that his sons dies, because if they remained alive they would be prophets (our belief).
Some one may say but God could have given him only daughters, well I will say yes but maybe God wanted to teach our prophet patience.
That is my thinking.
Victory_278692 said
Don't give your own thinking....it is not allowed...... ...understand Islam from a islamic scholar.
The Only major difference between the 2 sects are Khilafat....
Sunni's first Khalifa after Prophet Muhammed (SAW) was Hazrat Abubakr Siddique, while Shia says it was with Hazrat ALI.
There were several differences in practicing Islam but QL is not a right place to discuss in detail.
Alexa said
yup, thinking is ...yup, thinking is BAD....very, very BAD......
Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.
majidmajidi said
victory ...rightly said.
arecel said
in Iraq, it only follows ...in Iraq, it only follows that the Shiites are the ruling power since they are the majority there, am i right? the Sunnis (who are the minorities) just happen to control power before because Saddam happens to be one. and of course the Shiites will be aligning with Iran because of this same identity and the US know this and that's why they want a reformist to win in the election. but i am getting far from the topic:-)
usapa na...
Victory_278692 said
Yep Arecel.....Internal politics played by US ...taking advantage of various sects (muslims) within Iraq.....ITS HIJACK from the main topic...Period now.
arecel said
sorry victory, but that was ...sorry victory, but that was a reaction from sefri's post (bottom portion)...:-)
usapa na...
tallg said
muhammadonly - it seems that ...muhammadonly - it seems that you not only don't know what a troll is, but you're also racist. Nice.
fefee said
muhammadonly,iam very sorry ...muhammadonly,iam very sorry if i have cause any offence to you or any body else.
i have read dozens of thread about islam and other religions here on ql and there were always many people writing lot of comments to prove that islam is the right religion to follow.
I honestly didt know about the division between muslims till i came to the middle east. of course i watched the news back home and there was always some fight between shia muslims and sunny or what ever. but the question is, did i REALLY understand what shia and what sunni was at the time? not until i married a muslim, who explain some details.of course hubbi will tell me that the part of muslim which hes from, is the right way.what matter to me is to hear the opinion from both sides of muslims base on their understanding from the teaching of islam.
i didt know that people whould be so sensitive if some one ask a simple details question about their religion.
what shock me is that people would post 10 pages when it came to a discussion between islam and other religions, but now to explain a simple fact,among muslims them self, seems to be so difficult, to some users.
action speaks louder than words
Xena said
fefee, it shows that not only religions like ...Christianity, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness etc, think they have devine entry into heaven, but Islam too has different "sects" that believe they are the only way to the here after....
Have no idea why we cannot all just believe we serve 1 God!
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
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MR PAUL said
How about serving NO god and just getting on with our lives. ...---------------------------------------------------------
I think you have me confused with someone who gives a [Let's not get blocked by the Telco].
Xena said
Mr Paul, some of us are believers, so we ...will believe what we believe as you will.
"if you don't like the heat... get out of the kitchen... but stop trying to fan the flames before you leave... it will burn you on the a** as you go through the doorway...." ME
visit www.qaws.org
wizz14 said
hi ...I read all comments, some are with good information but nothing is authenticated.
Lets leave this subject to scholars.
we should respect all sect and should not comment somethig shich cause hurt other sect.
whatever ur sect, try to be practical in that.
Islam is peace even for all other religions and whole mankind, so there is no place to fight among sects.
whoever even scholars if tries to highlight those issues among ordinary peoples which cuase hurts and convert to fight among peoples are not real muslims.
even those are from any sect.
this is my personal point of view might be so many not agree with me, but we want peace and love and that is true to concept of islam and meaning of islam.
SPEED said
fefee.... Our (Majority of Muslims) problem is that we ...believe in things BLINDLY and we do not give a second thought or to do self study on Islam.
Non of the above has given facts or true reasons except some true indications by PM and Victor.
There is no major differences in Shia or Sunni. The true follower of Islam consider Shias and Sunnis as brothers in Islam.
Their God (Allah) is same, Quran is same, They both believe the Prophet Mohammad (PBHU) is the Last Prophert of Allah. They both perform Haj and Celebrate Eid.
I feel sorry for those with such lack of knowledge. They just listen from one and forward the same to others without varifying the details from any Senior Muslim Scholars.
Today, what is happening in the Muslim world is the reason of such people who follows other people BLINDLY and act accordingly.
habib_nuh said
The essential difference between Sunni and Shia ...is this:
The Sunnis consider the entire group of Sahaba (the companions of the Prophet Muhammad) collectively as a source of religious knowledge. This is because they were each taught, and their characters trained and shaped by the Prophet's divinely inspired knowledge and character. From this group, knowledge of Islam has been passed down generation to generation. Of course, with each passing generation, we get further from the Prophet, the source of revelation. But, we aim to stay 'plugged in' to Divine guidance by keeping close to the sources which have been passed down from the Sahaba. These Sahaba were several, each having his or her own unique qualities, and many spread out around the world and faced different challenges in guiding Muslims where they went, as did their inheritors. So, there is a lot of variety in details under the big Sunni tent, but it is Sunni by being linked to the Sahaba and accepting them all as sources of knowledge of the Sunna of the Prophet.
Now there was some disagreement about issues of succession after the death of the Prophet and also how to respond to the competing demands of justice and unity in the face of some events. Islam was never a utopia, without problems. Some of the Sahaba supported Abu Bakr and Omar, and some supported Ali as the Prophets successor. However, both sides were Sahaba. Therefore, IT IS FALSE that the difference between Sunni and Shia is based on who supported Ali and who supported Abu Bakr.
The Shia are distinct from Sunni by one main factor: they reject all or most of the Sahaba who did not support Ali as untrustworthy as sources of religious knowledge. That is the major difference. After that, different theological divisions multiplied among the Shia. However, most of these things people are saying, accusing Shia of worshipping Ali as God and so on, are not true; but they are hoisting something that was done by a small extreme minority onto all of the Shia. It would be like relating al-Qaeda practice to all of the Sunnis. Anyhow, do not believe most of what Sunnis and Shia today say about each other. Most people talk without knowing and do not care about the truth.
legal_pad said
fefee. ...Too many Sunnis in this forum, that just tells me, Qatar is Sunni in majority.
fefee is best that you research on particular subject then you summarize your full objective.
habib_nuh said
A good source ...if you want to read something scholarly about Islamic history is "The Venture of Islam" by Hogdson. As a Muslim, of course I understand the events to be all part of the Divine plan, so I will naturally disagree with Hodgson's metaphysical interpretation of the history. However, he gives a fair account and analysis of the events themselves, and takes Muslim sources seriously, and is very detailed.
For Muslim sources on history, you need to look at classical scholars like al-Tabari, ibn Ishaq, etc. Most (but not all) modern Muslim sources are unfortunately lacking scholarly rigor and integrity, as they are primarily defensive and / or propagandistic.
habib_nuh said
One last thing: "Sufi" has been referred to in an earlier post ...and in most places today as a "sect" separate from Sunni. Actually, tasawwuf is the word. "Sufism" is not an Arabic word and the "ism" in English always connotes a ideological division like "communism" etc. defined by simply the holding of certain opinions. The real word "tasawwuf" refers to the discipline in traditional Sunni Islam of closely checking and working to improve your inner spiritual life by means of the Sharia. It is the inner aspect of Islamic life which outer rules and forms are intended to purify (while purifying the inner conversely also purifies the outer). Now it has been misunderstood due to some folks through history who had nothing to do with using its name falsely. Also, there are those in modern times who want to deny any concern of Islam with spirituality. They decided that Marx was right, that religion was the 'opium of the masses' - so they wanted to turn Islam into a religion without a spiritual dimension that would distract Muslims from the all important task of competing with fascist modern western regimes for power and re-establishing an Arab empire. So, many Muslims nowadays confuse this project for an Arab empire with Sunni Islam. But Sunni Islam has an inner dimension about purifying the heart, and without this there is nothing but an empty shell. Alot of the atrocious stuff going on nowadays among Muslims is from abandoning this inner dimension. Or, it is from others claiming to embrace the inner while abandoning the outer (and this is just hypocrisy). Anyhow, the word 'sufi' does not matter. If you think the word means something else, then use a different word. But the point is there is an inner spiritual dimension of Islam, which is an essential part of Sunni Islam.
PM said
We are not allowed to think, Victor? ...Wasn't Allahs first command to the Prophet (saw) "Iqrah"? (Read)
Aren't we encouraged to seek knowledge?
I find it so discouraging that we are at such a low point historically as Muslims because too many of us have been raised not to think for ourselves or question anything. Is it any wonder that we are so removed from true Islam?
I'm not surprised at all to see tom/huck/bode/majid stepping up (and sucking up) to praise you. Very, very sad state.
:-(
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
habib_nuh said
Yes, in Islam the woman is arguably more important than the man. ...Nothing Da Vinci Codey about that. The most important two names of Allah: al-Rahman and al-Rahim, both derive from the Arabic word for the womb.
Or, another scholar I read put in better: In Islam men and women can never be equal, because they are both superior.
habib_nuh said
Of course we have to think... ...If I had not thought deeply and carefully, I would not have entered Islam.
I am quite shocked at the Muslims who say we should not think. Don't they read the Qur'an at all?
PM said
Yes, Qataris are mostly Sunni and there are many Sunni Muslims ...on the forum, but there are also many Shi'a in Qatar (many from iran, Pakistan and Lebanon), as well as our Shi'a QLErs who I respect very much (like Speed). As someone who has been repeatedly bashed for not being a "true Muslim", it is not for me to turn around and do the same to somebody who is Shi'a. In the end, it is God who knows who pleases Him and who does not. The best we can do is try to be good people and represent Islam in a positive light. How could we reject all the good that someone does simply because they are of a different sect?
However, as usual, I speak for myself only and I know many, many Sunni and Shi'a Muslim who do not share my views.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM said
Agreed habib_nuh ...That's why it is so disappointing to read other Muslims telling us not to think; or worse, that we do not have the right to do so.
I think most converts do think long and hard about Islam. After all, we make a conscious decision to become Muslims (as opposed to those born into Muslim families in Muslim-dominated countries).
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM said
don't "should" them? I have no idea what you mean but suspect ...it's a translation problem.
Anyway, little boy, I am old enough to be your mother so you needn't come on here and tell me what to do :-)
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM said
But what did you mean "don't should"? ...And yes, I did take it as quite impertinent in the manner you wrote it.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
PM said
Ahah! Now I get it. But I wasn't shouting son :-) ...When you are typing on the internet THIS IS SHOUTING (writing in all capital letters)!
Nighty night son :-)
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
falcon_ said
have to comment ...sorry i have nothing against anyone because each one has his own belief, but still shia are misunderstood by others. if you want to know more about shia try asking a shiaa sheikh, anyway to cut it short we are not "moshrikeen" as others claim. go search in the right place.
i did not go into details because i am respecting other opinions and dont want to hurt anyone.
ashwindoke said
Hmm... Speed - Thanks... ...Hmm...
Speed - Thanks...
But why people are forgetting Mujjahids...
Wht makes them diff ?????
At end of the day... Hardly anyone of us is praying God.. for his love..
But it is out of greed to get materialistic benefits... or out of fear to loose the ones which we are enjoying....
Doesn count as true religion for sure... :)
Todays religion is MONEY.. and Designation....
The religions are Science grads.. commerce grads... arts.... and tht too divides in many sects... :)
Believe it or not...
This is our religion/Society now....
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DaRuDe said
oh so its Huckle Knuckle ...dumb head bery again with new user id mohammadonly
DHead.
majidmajidi said
darude ...do you have any job to perform?
who is your employer by the way, if so?
i feel pity for him.
fefee said
majidmajidi i think its time ...majidmajidi i think its time for you to please leave this thread.
you were the one acusing me of been a troll.do you reread what you wrote? if not i kindly ask u to please do so, cus you will at least realize all the problem uve been tring to cause on this tread.
cheers
fefee
action speaks louder than words
Muhandis said
Fefee ...If you need info about Shia, go to Shia Scholar and if you need info about Sunni, go to Sunni scholar. Don't do the opposite.
TrueFriend said
ask scholar better ...Help people, the Allah ( God) will help you
majidmajidi said
da, ...i think you are really a Dhead...
i think you parents also knew it...
lol
fefee said
majidmajidi, did u read the ...majidmajidi, did u read the tread about hijacking forum today, if not i kindly advice u to do so. mod is been stricht on hijAckers these days, better be careful on what you post other wise ^YOU WILL BE ......
action speaks louder than words
fefee said
majidmajidi, did u read the ...majidmajidi, did u read the tread about hijacking forum today, if not i kindly advice u to do so. mod is been stricht on hijAckers these days, better be careful on what you post other wise ^YOU WILL BE ......
action speaks louder than words
majidmajidi said
fefee ...i read the heading of the thread only, but didn't go through, coz most people over there were talking irrelevant things i seemed....
anyhow, i got your point....
hope, you would be careful also abour your posts...
Victory_278692 said
PM, ...we are allowed to think dear but we shall not describe about Islam, as per what one understands.
In such cases when we are not very sure it is advisable to keep quiet and refer it to a islamic scholar or give reference to an authentic islamic book.
Shia and Sunni's.....
The topic is an age old issue, huge conflicts and practised islam in different ways, due to Passage of Time.
There were many sects from Shia's also formed such as Bohra and Khoja communities....following certain Personalities like Dr. Syedna Burhanuddin and HH Aga Khan respectively; which is again not allowed in Islam, the way their beliefs are. Better to close the chapter here and shall not indulge in the debate.....as said earlier NOT A RIGHT PLACE TO DISCUSS.
Thanks
PM said
I disagree victor. I think we have every right to discuss things ...based on our opinions and best judgments. We simply state that this is what we believe or think, and acknowledge that we don't speak for all Muslims or Allah.
In fact, I am really, really turned off when Muslim like you try to shut down discussion. Discussion airs ideas and is the only way to learn and understand each other. But I do recognize that many Muslims prefer to go along with group-think and never allow anyone to question anything. That's fine for you Victor. But don't force that on everyone else.
I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM
ishqia said
well, as per my knowledge, ...well, as per my knowledge,
sunni, means a person who believes in allah(swt) and prophet muhammed(pbuh), following the sunnah of prophet(pbuh), and also as well respect ali, hassan , hussain etc,
shia, they also have the same basic belief, but they give more importance to the 12 imams, people from prophets family, some shias are extremist and associated properties which can only be associated with Allah to these imams,
check out for bilal philips video on shia on youtube,
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jailbroken114 said
Sunni is in the right path ...Sunni Muslim is in the right path.
ashwindoke said
VB - I have few ...VB - I have few doubts....
On the topic.. for a change.. :)
Religion is something we practice or something which is mentioned in the holy scriptures like a most encrypted document.....
Everybody gets a different meaning depending upon his life condition.....
And tht should be the religion...
I mean to say is..
If I am hungry.... I ll see Happiness in Food.
If I am thirsty ... my destination shall be Water...
And Scriptures would say.. take what you want... (super hypothetical example)...
None is wrong in here... but not similar either...
One cannot say to a thirsty he is fool.. destination should be Food.. not water....
If you do not share your views with us. how in this earth are we suppose to expose to the beautiful side of the religion....
The nuts have guts to blabber opening.....
Why the wise are so "play safe" kinda people..
and reply if someone is coming up wit rational doubts...
Don answer stupid questions which shall be asked by pseudo-intellectuals to prove depth of their shallow knowledge.... or to stir a controversy....
I ll cover fire you ...lol.. don worry...
Its a terrorist's promise... and we live up to our words.... Not as lame as nice people.... :)
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MR PAUL said
Jailbroken, why is Sunni the right path ?? ...---------------------------------------------------------
I think you have me confused with someone who gives a [Let's not get blocked by the Telco].
Victory_278692 said
My Dear PM, pls tell me what is the purpose of our discussion.. ...- Objective is LEARNING then there are other places to learn and discuss.
as I tried to explain that it will openup a huge can of worms / Pandora box....age old issues, conflicts and differences.
Please read Sefri's comment above....there are several different (over 100k wrong hadees) theories attached; and I am 100% sure none of us at QL are competent enough to clarify and justify the facts.
At the end we will conclude that Shia's belief making them as 'non-believers' and they are NOT muslims.
So again repeating.......NOT A RIGHT PLACE TO DISCUSS
ishqia said
the Ahl al-Sunnah are those ...the Ahl al-Sunnah are those who follow the Sahaabah and the path of the Salaf (the early generations of Islam).
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