Homosexuality in Animals is nearly Universal

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7 months where?

It's not just those animals. Dogs in particular try and mate with other male dogs. Actually, dogs will mate with anything if it feels the need.

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"muhammadonly said what's your point gypsy? ..."

Ummm, let me take a stab in the dark:

"Homosexuality in Animals is nearly Universal"

By the way, humans are animals too.

off to get popcorn :)

it's not HE who posted.. it is SHE..

"you have been darting since last 7 months"?
gypsy, are you DARTING?

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muhammadonly is implying that he knows about Gypsy's current relationship status, but he doesn't seem to know her sex. Very confusing.

Well I'm a she for one, and I'm very happy in my relationship, no complaints at all. As for what I'm implying, I don't think I'm IMPLYING anything, I'm posting an article that says Loud and Clear Homosexuality is natural occuring and perfectly normal.

eh....brainwashed weirdos...what do you expect????
Surely not anything else but the usual???
lol

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

muhamadonly, IF you are so very much interested in Islam, (as your profile insinuates)..how can you do what you are doing here???
Does it not go against all that the REAL Islam teaches?

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

sorry, double post!

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

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ways?So you are never short of partners?Is that common in the animal world too??
Just curious,don't we have better topics to discuss on this forum??

Well someonenew, sorry to say it but all the evidence points towards the fact that it's a naturally occuring thing, and that it might even be beneficial. And yes, humans are animals, like it or not.

Frankly I think animals act better then people. I wish all people would act like animals.

Male homosexuality as hyper-masculine

There is evidence of a correlation between sexual orientation and traits that are determined in utero[1]. Williams et al. (2000) found that finger length ratio, a characteristic controlled by prenatal hormones, is different in people of distinct sexual orientations.[1] Another study by McFadden in 1998 found that auditory systems in the brain, another physical trait influenced by prenatal hormones is different in those of differing orientations, likewise the suprachiasmatic nucleus of homosexual men was found by Swaab and Hopffman to be larger in homosexual men than in heterosexual men, [2], the suprachiasmatic nucleus is also known to be larger in men than in women [3]. Gay men have also been shown to have higher levels of circulating androgens [2] and larger penises [3], on average, than straight men.

Gay men have more older brothers on average, a phenomenon known as the fraternal birth order effect. It has been suggested that the greater the number of older male siblings the higher the level of androgen fetuses are exposed to.

[edit] Male homosexuality as feminine or hypo-masculine

In a 1991 study, Simon LeVay demonstrated that a tiny clump of neurons of the anterior hypothalamus—which is believed to control sexual behavior and linked to prenatal hormones—was on average more than twice the size in heterosexual men when contrasted to homosexual men. Initially he could not rule out that this may be due to AIDS since all of his homosexual male subjects had died from it before the autopsies were performed. However in 2003 scientists at Oregon State University announced that they had replicated his findings in sheep.

[edit] Female homosexuality

Girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (an autosomal recessive condition which results in high androgen levels during fetal development) have more masculinized sex role identities and are more likely to have a homosexual sexual orientation as adults than controls [4][5][6][7][8]. An alternative explanation for this effect is that the fact that girls with this condition are born with masculinized external genitalia leads their parents to raise them in a more masculine manner which then influences their sexual orientation as adults. However, the degree to which the girls' genitals are masculinized does not correlate with their sexual orientation, suggesting that prenatal hormones are the causal factor, not parental influence.

fornicating in public ???

We didn't "learn" it from animals. It's natural. You're either born straight or gay. There's nothing you can do about it.

Ambat,

No I did not mean that......

But hey, now that you mention it...

Why not!!!

A bad apple in a box will exploid the other good apples in the same box.

Animals may have brains but not intelligences. They can be forgiven in this respect. Like human, they can be desperate when on heat, and shall go for any illegal holes available. I don't think its fair to call them gay since dogs dosen't even knows that he is a dog.

How do you know they don't know their a dog? You know you're human. And the research shows that some animals engage in Homosexuality but not all. And some ONLY engage in homosexuality. Perhaps they just haven't been trained to think of it as bad and realize that it isn't harmful.

“Desires” – As one of Most Basic Differences of Human and Animal Mind:

Generally we consider animistic, or magical or other superstitious ideologies as baseless or irrational, but these are after all an important source of understanding the functionality and capabilities of human mind. Even these ‘irrational’ ideologies are the unique characteristics of human beings. Any other known life form doesn’t possess any form of superstition. Study of superstitions can give wonderful insight into our true nature or essence. Humans want to control the external world events but at the same time long for that they may not have to do any effort for the purpose. They tend to find easy solutions for every task. Mostly they perform those tasks in just daydreams. More ‘practical’ people take help of a magician. Wise people ask help from supernatural beings. Scientists insist that only materialistic causation principle is the solution for performing any task. But tasks before humans may not always be accomplished by the material causation principle. Humans want to defeat death, which causation principle may not allow. But religion offers its solution in the form of belief in after-life.

But all this apparent and observable human behavior is actually a clue, which can lead us towards finding the true human nature or essence. Some times we consider human desires as something negative. But this “desire” is one of the most basic differences between humans and other animals. Here term ‘desire’ doesn’t include instinct based bodily needs
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religious peoples that have problems with homosexuality blame GOD (or how you address your creator) and basically state that Gods' creation is an imperfect design.

Now that collides with most religions as

1 - Love thou neighbor, God demands respect for his Children.

2 - God is not to be challenged nor questioned

So, in my view, any person that treats homo's different or tries to ban them from society is messing with Gods' creation, therefore a sinner.

The excuse that it is the work of Sheitan is irrelevant as this does not fall "under free" will but under the biological evolution of the human species.

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He's a Pakistani blogger on WordPress Khalid? Why should I listen to anything he says?

Humans are animals, humans however are a bit more complex. That is why we are on top of the food-chain.

Let me refer to a bugger called Freud, he had something to say about 'Id' "Ego' and "super-ego'.

However, who is to say that animals do not have their own perception of life, maybe they are living in their own 'awareness' but on a entirely different level.

Hai Gypsy,
Yes sex is also like sneezing,coughing,urining,hungry,sad, laugh ,and emotion feelings.It is a quiet natural feeling i accept.But from this thread what you want to say " Are you supporting homosex/lesbisam?"
From reading all your comments , it is indicative that you are supporting this homosex habits?
I hope you are have full rights to support any thing as you like.
But common public dont like this.
Because god created man and man to have sex in family way, then why to need some unusual ,ugly habbits????/WHY?
But from your comments i understand you are cute and clever and have lot of presence of mind.
ok reply me.

Kumaran...

I guess talking to you equals carrying water to the sea...

since I am a nice guy I will give it one last shot.

There are people like yourself that refuse to understand the origin of homosexuality. People like you that refuse to understand the basic biological flaws, while it is scientifically proven. When in developing stage in the womb you also get a portion of X and Y chromosomes, if you get too much of any you might turn out gay. This is a BIRTH DEFECT. How the hell can you blame somebody for that?

Now, what is CRIMINAL when producing children if is blood-relatives marry, have sex and produce slow-learners, retards, border-liners and very likely also gays. All scientifically proven.

camels are the gayest of all animals.

kumran, Why are you talking on behalf of ‘common public’?... In my country homosexuality is legitimized. We don’t find it weird or abnormal. We don’t consider same-sex couples are sick or bad or wrong.. as a matter of fact, i have many friends-gays, and let me tell you, they all are really nice and very interesting people...
and why 2 gays cannot have a "sex in family way"? I know one couple of gays who are happily officially married, so they obviously have a "sex in family way"...
... it is just the way other people are built and are living their lives..
at the end of the day it doesn't hurt anyone around. And this is the key thing.

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brit... i agree, up to some point society might have an influence on some individuals.. but only if these individuals already HAVE it in their blood(or body, or wherever).. ok. it's like a singer. One has a talent to become a best singer ever... he might be a taxi driver all his life, and never discover his talent....or opposit, no matter how much you push one to learn something, it just doesn't work, because the "seed" is not there... or like some people start painting in the later age, under certain circumstances... so of course to develop certain qualities you have to be placed into the certain ground to enable to grow... some do develop it, some don't.. But the bottomline is it is already IN YOU, in your blood... otherwise it will never give fruits..

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So do these birds and bees also have anal sex?? or just two female birds raising young ones means homosexuality!!

You can't teach experience...

**** you *** The Dude

Yours behind is well explored with white sticks

Your post is obviously contradictory:

You write:

"It may be nearly Universal in animals, but should the same be applicapable, acceptable for Humans ?

Sorry, but IMHO , it isn't just about "nature". There are other issues like society, norms, values, religion etc which come into play.."

So on the one hand you say that in animals homosexuality is natural and commonplace, but that humans aren't animals so it shouldn't be natural within the human species.

Then you say that when it does occur in humans, it is for purely 'humanistic' reasons - ie as a result of social pressure or religion or whatever.

So it occurs in nature due to natural conditioning, but when it occurs in human beings it is as a result of totally non-natural causes???

Here are my 2 cents....so, some religions say being gay is wrong...ok fine, I have no problem with that.
I DO have a problem with people who believe in above mentioned, and want to push THEIR values on people who believe otherwise.

It is quite simple....if you don't like it, what ever it may be...IGNORE it. It is, obviously, none of your business.

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

you dont know how come society, values etc come in this issue?
do you wear clothes, dude?

Majid,

your missing the point by 500 miles.

Society - has NO influence on whether somebody is gay or not

Values - has fukc all to do with being gay.

It is either, in the vast majority of gays

1) Natural, by birth. (you may call it a birth defect if you please)

2) Psychological

brit

It's like choosing to be blind, or choosing to be autistic.

It doesn't make rational sense to any thinking person.

Why choose to be something that is illegal, typically not socially accepted, and will cause you a lifetime of heartache?

You wouldn't. No one would. Gay people are gay because that's the way they are, not because they choose to be.

More pertinently, none of my gay or lesbian friends say that their sexual orientation is a matter of choice. They knew they were same sex attracted when they were only small children aged 5 or so.

All of them have heterosexual siblings with whom they shared the same parents, schooling, social background, cultural background, etc. None of them were abused in any way when they were young, and they don't recall a 'trigger' that 'made' them gay. In their opinion, they were gay since the day they were born, whether they like it or not.

I'm more inclined to believe the testimony of my gay friends than I am likely to listen to the rantings of ignorant heterosexual people who are just trying to guess in their own minds whether or not it's a choice.

If you're not gay, you wouldn't know.

Simple.

Brit, I agree that within this region there is no shortage of guys willing to have sexual liaisons with other guys as a way of relieving sexual tension.

But - they aren't gay.

They would never define themselves as gay.
They would never define their sexual exploits as gay.
They would never define their sexual partners as gay.

They are heterosexual guys who engage in homosexual behavior out of desperation.

They are, for the purposes of this argument, irrelevant.

Brit,

A soldier seeking sexual comfort with another soldier, is still psychological.

There is no gene.

It's X & Y and the disproportionate presence at birth that makes somebody gay, yes or no.

It is seldom a conscious choice. Somebody seeks because he feels he needs to search.

So Anne Heche or Lindsy Lohan are gay. Yes or No ?