Qatari women denied entry

Because Abayas & booze doesn't get along well, together!

They think so.

Imagine such discrimination against their own women, in any other civilized country?!
It would cause and with a right reason, revolutions!!!!!!!!!

By the way, one of those bars is Marriott's Pearl Club!
Discrimination needs to be clearly exposed!

Locals whether men or women must be denied from entering bars.
For both local customs & religion aspects. If they're too determined
To do it, I think they shouldn't wear our national dress. They look hypocrite &
Pethatic

Mandi,
No, its not only the question of wearing the abaya.
At "Marriott's Pearl Club" it is clearly posted outside "NO QATARI FEMALES". ID's are checked and regardless the outfit or the person's personal choices, if it's a women with a Qatari ID, she will not be allowed in.

Genesis,
Personally, I think it’s very sad not having the individual freedom to choose, just like any other non-Qatari citizen still (sort of) have in this country.

If that's true, then that saddens me.

I'm curious, if a Western woman marries a Qatari man, and I guess becomes Qatari through marriage? Is she allowed in?

Miss X,
If a western woman marries a Qatari man, she must say goodbye to many other things besides the bars and alcoholic drinks.

a bit of both.

I am sure that 99% of Qatari women are glad that one of theirs is not allowed in to these bars... But why do so many expatriates feel so sorry for them?
The logic behind all of this is pretty obvious... from the time that alcohol was let in to the country, one of the supporting arguments was to have it as a business entertainment. I guess its ironic that if people need to be taken out of their senses to be convinced to do any kind of business, then they shouldn't do it in the first place... but neways...
Now if Qatari men would like to entertain their guests with alcohol, I guess many people find it morally acceptable... a compromise, but morally acceptable... But I guess they don't find it morally acceptable for Qatari women to be doing so...
In any case, Qatar is an Islamic country... and they don't lay tall claims to equal rights to men and women like in the West... the legal system also clearly treats the two differently... but this is an Islamic system and in Islam, women's rights are protected differently...
I don't believe that a woman's right has to be equated one to one to a man's right for her rights to be protected... In an Islamic context, there are social religious cultural systems that protects women's rights...
of course there might be a few women who end up getting a sore deal... but isn't it the same in any system?... some will fall through the cracks for sure... the key is to make sure that as few as possible fall through the cracks and this is what Islam does...

abdulrahman, I dont agree. I have met some Qatari woman in Bali and Penang during our hols. They does drink, they does dance, they does 'beach' and 'bikini' ... they are all human being just like everybody else

It's funny lustino, I remember on another thread you complaining how
Locals misbehave at the bars. And now you think it's
against their
Individual rights!!!

abdul ... i dont think anything bad with having a drink, dance, beach and bikini.

there are bad people who dont drink, dont dance, dont go to the beach and not wearing bikini.

Genesis Quote "Locals whether men or women must be denied from entering bars.
For both local customs & religion aspects. If they're too determined
To do it, I think they shouldn't wear our national dress. They look hypocrite &
Pethatic"

What are your views on locals drinking in general, because you said they should be denied from enetring bars, but you didnt say wether you condone locals Alcohol consuption or not and would you go as far as to say it shouldnt be allowed, period?

MissX Qatar's constitution is a JOKE as I will personally attest that it is NOT being implenented.

Qatarita,
Welcome back, nice to have you here!

So not only are the women not allowed to marry freely, they cant even go out and do something that is between them and God.

Islam at its finest.

Alexa- I am a Westerner married to a Qatari and I hold a Qatari passport.
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May your dreams take you travelling all through your life.

kimd, does that mean if you wanted to enter a bar, they would refuse you entry based on your id?

So your ID and passport does reflect your new nationality, and you don't have any form of identification that would state otherwise?
Sorry for the questions, I'm just curious.

I had to apply for it after living here for a few years- it makes life easier for me in terms of employment and medical care and if my anything should happen to my husband I wouldn't need to be sponsored to stay here.
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May your dreams take you travelling all through your life.

why are u people so much worried with this law...its qatari law for qatari women...let them come up against it if they are against it...and for us we must accept it coz morally we are obliged and by law we are supposed to agree with laws of the country we are living in......we are not suppose to question them....have the qataris ever questioned why having a relationship with bf/gf allowed without marriage in the west...did they ever questioned why gay communities are given legal rights in other countries....they never did and we should never do....

everyone who wants there to be alcohol in Qatar. I think it's the best policy considering the situation.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Exiled,

I think you know the answers to your own questions.

Either way,

Here is my philosophy.

Next to the obvious religious mumbo-jumbo and the status of females in these cultures there is, according to me, a need to protect the female population. Having only a small number of locals the government would naturally push for marriages of local to local, and not cross-nationality or cross-culturally.

In case Qatari females become to fond of Westerners and too many choose to marry these "forbidden fruits" the local population would die within decades.

Hence, keep females OUT of bars and keep them AWAY from "aliens" and this potential problem eliminates itself. Females now have to stick to their own, are bored as they have to stay in the house so focus on pooping out babies effective the age of 17 to 21.

It's good for us to stand up for Qatari women, but i'm sure that they are quite capable of speaking for themselves..

The decision is made by the government, rightly or wrongly to protect its own citizens from what they feel may be harmful to them.. Looking at it from a purely cultural point of view, I would tend to agree with the government.

I do however, feel that the rule should be equally applied to local males also.

Ha ha ha. Dude. You are crazy.
>In case Qatari females become to [sic] fond of Westerners

the dude.....why do u say the local poulation will die in decades despite knowing the fact that if a qatari lady marries any alien, her husband and children never becomes qatari national....they still remain aliens
secondly....do u think keeping the qataris females out of bars is the only way to keep them "out of reach" of aliens....do u think all marriages start from two persons meeting in the bar?...wat abt the workplace

Yes Rain... (double)

the dude....u said "Females now have to stick to their own, are bored as they have to stay in the house so focus on pooping out babies effective the age of 17 to 21"....
do u think people becomes bored if they dont go to bars...if this is the case then all afghani must be bored as no bars exist there...do u percieve bar as the only place for entertaintmant?

Qatar has implemented the shariah
google for shariah and then read about how women and men are treated... suffice to say that they are treated differently
I didn't know Qatar even had a constitution

The Rain...

You take words too literally, you have to think a bit more 'along broader lines' or more 'general', these are merely examples that relate to 'bar', these are more of stereotypes not factual for each and every individual.

Also, I am not Afghani... I know my profile says this, I am Dutch. Also Afghanistan is a whole different ball-game.

Again, do not think too literally.

the dude...wat abt the local guys producing children(man can have 50 children but woman cant)...local guys can marry any allien if u think less number of qatari ladies will be available to them....and the advantage will be that thier children will still be qataris...not like the qatari lady who marry outside and her children remains aliens....so at the end of the day local pop will not die as per ur theory...

re-read ur post and u will see that u mentioned both terms(cross-nationality/cross-culturally)....
and yes u are right...families donot appreciate it(cross-culture marriage)in the west and so is the case with qatari families ...and just like western women who dont want a life inside a house a qatari woman dont want it "outside the house"...

because they are just as "important" as women, I think :-)

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

It only takes one sentence from the ruler: I am Sheikh Hamad the ruler of Qatar, a Muslim in an Islamic country where alcohol is not allowed.

Personally I am against both Qatari men and Qatari women being denied entry to public places in their own country. Individuals should have the freedom to do what they wish, not be told what is good for them. I appreciate and respect that I can get a beer in Doha and I do not abuse the system, but I find some of these new rules incomprehensible. What next ban women from driving? (oh, sorry saudi already did that...)

Kinda sad they need laws to keep their women from leaving them.

NO BARS
wanna drink?
get a license
do it at home
or a five star hotel
no licenses for locals
fewer people will drink
lesser drunken driving
fewer hookers

Good point scarlet.. But i dont personally feel , in this country noone will ever raise even their little finger against any qatari. They are few in number and related too. and has influance over Qatar's political and economic big Guns. I'm not trying to say all are equally bad, a few are just helpful, but still a few only, i guess.

---If you can't CONVINCE them, CONFUSE them!!!

Don't worry all who cares about Qatari women rights or women rights in general...step by step some day you guys will find all women without abaya or hijab and they will be going to bars and every thing.
we all should pray for that and ask god to let women treated equally to men and inshalla they will be entering bars as you all wish.

It's sad that every one thinks that his own country rules should be applied in Qatar.
So you think that its discrimination not to let Qatari women in bars ....but why there is bars ...close them ...bars are forbidden in Islam.
Every thing is judged according to the western rules...so no use of saying we are Muslims and alcohol is forbidden for both men and women.
its frustrating.....

Raya,

You fail to see the 'broader' picture. The subject is about bars, but on a larger scale it is about

"why there should be a difference between Qatari Males and Females"

That we voice our opinions here, does not mean that we do not respect the rules and regulations that Qatar imposes.

You say close bars because it is forbidden in Islam, well I hope you never smoke sheesha, because in essence this should also be considered HARAM as it is poisonous and harmful to the body.

The dude..
You fail to see the big picture; we are discussing the discrimination of letting men to do some thing that is Haram in Islam, and not letting women to do the same thing that again is Haram in Islam.
They both should not be doing it.

I have not said that u r not respecting Qatari rules.
I am just saying my point of view as you all did, and reminding what is applied in your countries does not have to be applied here is Qatar.

and just for your hope to be true. I don't smoke sheeha.

Dude your brain is so small and maybe it is a brain of one month old baby because you relate the killing to religion.
Go and know the truth.
Here is some simple questions:
1. Why is Islam the fastest growing religion in USA and Europe?
2. Why so many foreign scientists and foreign educated people enters Islam?
3. Why Muslim preachers in USA and Europe succeed in the areas where catholic preachers failed?

Khalid,

You want truth, you shall receive.

to me Khalid you are like a retarded scholar/preecher, everything you say is a half-ass truth and only justifiable within your own reality. Your brains are raped by indoctrination, you are so incredibly short-sighted you almost look backwards.

Killing is not related to religion, you say? - you never heard of Osama, Taleban, Al Queda, hezbollah and the numerous other Muslim-characters that have somehow been related to death and destruction, or suicide bombers that scream religious stuff when they are about to blow themselves to pieces. not to mention the mess in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, Ethiopia, Yemen, Iraq .... etc etc. Oh wait.... what do these countries have in common?

*Lightbulb pops up in Khalid's head*

Ahhhh.......Use and abuse of religion has everything to do with it. But, of course... not according to Khalid.

Do not get me wrong, Christians have a horrible record when it comes to religion related killings, this is largely in the past and the Muslims hold the scepter right now.

As goes for your questions,

1 - Because you traditionally hump like bunnies and poop out an higher average of children. Very very very simple. West - av. 2 - 3 children, Muslims average 3 - 5. So in Europe, your growing like hell indeed.

2 - Source please, for once in your life... understand that words are word and coming from you have 0.0 value as you NEVER provide a source, unless it is a religious one.

3 - See 1 + succeeded in what? conversing people? or are you just lucky that in Europe/US we allow Islam to be preached and taught freely, unlike the majorities of the Middle East Sharia-countries where a Christian has to a great deal of trouble to find a church or practice his/her religion.

I have seen Qatari woman smoking sheesha. So logically they should be allowed to go to a bar and drink.