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The Dull Faces in a Villagio called Doha

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One can only feel sorry for the poor guys that are driving the gondolas, up and down the fake water channel in the Villagio Shopping Mall.
Most of the people walk around the mall and even take the gondolas’ rides without noticing that these guys are real human beings guiding these gondolas.
If you stop and observe these guys’ faces, you will unhappiness, emptiness, boredom and almost pain. They look like they are being tortured or they are serving a life sentence with no hope of escape.
And who is to blame them, when they probably have one of the most boring jobs in that mall. There is simply no interaction between them and the fake world the surround them during their shift (I just hope that for their sanity, it’s a very short one).
I’ve seen people with similar jobs in other countries out of the Gulf (not to mention the original gondolas’ drivers in Venice), that display some emotions even happiness and pride on what they are doing. They interact with their passengers totally aware and assured that they them selves are also human beings just like their passengers.
As you walk away from the fake channel feeling sorry for these guys, you see the same almost painful empty look in the faces of the maids that obediently follow their masters carrying the shopping bags and kids or just by themselves, carrying the pain of their personal fate.
One of the maids was sitting by herself looking down to the fake water channel, with that already expected sad dull look, while her master and his family where having lunch at a nearby Café. In the middle of so many overseen and generally accepted sadness, a human gesture took place. A little child of around 4 years old leaves the table of his parents and runs to the maid to offer her a piece of food. The maid accepted it and she almost smiled. The true joy was in the kids eyes, whose innocence allows him to still be human!
Continuing the walk on the mall, the dull faces could be been a bit everywhere, on the shops attendants, on the cashiers of Carrefour all the way until leaving that place and facing the extreme heat outside. Just before entering the car to leave, you can still have a last chance to see the dull and the pain in the face of the guys who are washing the cars under inferno’s temperatures!
You can drive away and try to forget it all that overseen human pain but not to far from there, you bump into roadwork’s where laborers are still working at 2pm. One can easily imagine the expressions they have in their faces and the sufferance they are feeling!
In a country with such a great GDP and generally religious, why is this happening in a more visible and general ways, than in any poorer nation?!
How can anyone of us feel comfortable living here, side by side this constant human pain?!
Just a reflection on the world the surrounds us in this incredibly reach state!

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britexpat said Lucitano.. ...

excellent.. Too often we are caught up in our own little world that we fail to notice what is "really" going on..

I too feel sorry for the maids. Too often they are treated as "outsiders"..

 

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UkEngQatar said Two different worlds living ...

Two different worlds living side by side. A world of blindness from the well off to the world of sadness to the less off.

Very well observation Lusitano..

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Formatted Soul said Very true lusitano.... I ...

Very true lusitano.... I always observe this...
They lost the luster in their eyes..emotions in their face..just blank look...
probably they don’t have a reason to smile...maybe not even seen their family for ages...
How depressing it could be....
Yesterday I got a closer look of their faces when we distributed these beverages to these road side workers...
a small attempt to make them smile...

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Arien said Lusitano , well said - ...

Lusitano , well said - Lessfortunate ones allover.. poor maids, labourers all sweating, and gets the peanuts. I wish the authotrities come up with a minimum vages system... :(
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Gica Contra said Sorry Lusitano... ...

Maybe you're in a bad mood...that can explain. But in every country I visited (around 40...) I saw dull faces.Qatar is not an exception! And the contrast is coming when you'll see the same dull faces becoming happy faces in the salary day, when they send money at home.And also, I consider that they are not fitted for customer relation business if they have that dull face during work...not professional...
Lusitano, life is a b**ch but is short...so, enjoy it!

 

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lusitano said Gica Contra, Actually I am ...

Gica Contra,
Actually I am not in a bad mood :)
It’s nothing to do with the mood, its just looking at the world with a human eye.
One thing is to be poor around your family; the other is to get a bit of money in exchange of pain and separation from your family.
I could just ignore like you do, but it’s not possible for me!

 

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Rizks said Very True !! infact i had ...

Very True !!

infact i had visited yesterday to villagio and i asked tat guy tat i will ride tat thing myself.

But tat chap told "NO SIR" :(

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chmb said So true Lusitano.. It breaks ...

So true Lusitano.. It breaks my heart every time I notice these people - they're humans just like all of us, yet they have to endure being treated like robots, like they don't have emotions. It's really sad to see this , if only they could get a better quality of life, they deserve it just as much as anyone else does..

 

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Majnoon Ajnabi said I think ...

you have real life confused with the seven dwarfs who whistled while they work. I see people that earn $50 per hour with the same look, hard work or boring work is the same no matter where you work and we all don't get to choose what we do.

It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and say the opposite

 

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micu_ale said ................ ...

so true lusitano.....if only we could do something to change these things.poor people
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Gica Contra said Lusitano, you're almost right... ...

I'm also "a dull face" from time to time...and I have all the comfort I need here. I'm not ignoring those people, I'm trying to help (in a small scale) but that's all I can do! I think that I get used that's why I let the impression that I ignore them...If you really want to see dull faces, please come with me one day to visit Industrial Area...it really depress me... muito deprimido!

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Voldemort said It could not have been ...

It could not have been written better, Lusitano..we always treat these people like furniture..

When we go out to spend a day at Villagio with our families, they are everywhere, but we hardly ever notice them: the guy in the parking who washes our car, the guy who line up the shopping carts and takes them back , the guy who mops the floor, the cashiers, the guy who bags your purchases,the guy who serves at us the food court, the guy who cleans up after us,the housemaids accompanying their masters,the drivers waiting in the Land Cruisers, the guy who work on the road outside the mall,the guy at the petrol station when we stop for gas..i can keep on going all day...

Of course there are people who do these jobs everywhere in the world, but even in India where we have the poorest of the poor, I have seen them do it with a smile on their lips, and an occasional joke between them, and a discussion about politics to spice up things... because end of the day after work, they can go home to their houses, be it a slum or a gutter,see their children, sleep with their wives.

never I have seen this zombie like look on people's faces other than in the GCC..and how we can expect any joy from their faces, when they hate their job, their living quarters, their boss, their colleagues, their customers, this country where they live, and even their own lives. The only thing which keeps them going is the thought of those aged parents who need medical care and food, those spouses who they see every 3 years and those children who hardly remember Dad.

They live their lives for the satisfaction experienced once a month, when they sent almost all their salary to their home country and try to subsist on a few hundred riyals until next payday.

What else can we do other than be a little more kind to them, tip the guy who cleans our table, the guy who fills up gas in our car,the cleaning boy in our office an extra riyal or two..they do need our smiles or kind words, but more than that they will appreciate a few extra riyals...


 

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lusitano said Thanks Voldemort, you got ...

Thanks Voldemort, you got exactly my point.
Yes it could have been better written, personally, I think you did it!

 

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Arien said GIca Contra- What a crap you ...

GIca Contra- What a crap you have written there, the discussion is on the life of those poor people. Are you telling them that life is short and to enjoy it?? and where did you see them smile when they get their 600 and 700 riyal salary??..

You said it Voldermot - Like Vegas also wrote in a thread long back. Tip them well, thts all we can do.
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donosa said I notice it all the time... ...

I notice it all the time... And sometimes for some reason I keep some of those faces on my mind. Their eyes and the sadness in them, the stories hiding beneath their gloomy smiles. I just wonder.

But the thing is, this is not the only place in the world where this is going on. It actually happens everywhere in the world. Believe me, there are immigrants everywhere in the world without their families. And I've seen those faces everywhere.

But you know, they are not all miserable, I've seen a lot of this people smiling and laughing. I think it also depends on the person's ability to find joy in small things, it is not all of them who have dull faces.

You know what is sadder?? Looking at all this faces walking around the souqs with nothing to do on a Friday afternoon, wandering the streets with no shades, no entertainment for them. That is the saddest part. I would admire Sheikah Moza 10 times more if she organized some entertainment for these guys, these poor guys who are by themselves in a harsh country.

At least to make nicer their only day off from hard work.

And what do YOU do about this? Do you smile at them, are you nice at them? Do you treat the shop attendant? Don't you think that it is also upon us to smile and brighten their lives, at least for a few minutes...

Yes, friends, we can make a little difference.

 

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johnpur said yeah it's true, dull faces ...

yeah it's true, dull faces can be seen anywhere in the world but not as dull as you can see from the people working in the GCC

 

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every_mothers_n... said i try and overlook these ...

i try and overlook these dull faces...i know its kinda sad when u look at them....from the very little time i get apart from work....sometimes its even more miserable for me than them when it comes to work... i cant afford to look at them and make my day go dull also.

Aana free, jaana free,
Pakde gaye tho khana free.

 

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Andrews said Voldermot & Lustiano ...Very ...

Voldermot & Lustiano ...Very true and nicely written

 

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ricky_2005 said Dull faces in Lulu cash counters also ...

If you observe carefully ,the cash counte girls at Lulu are also overworked , exhausted , underpaid and SAD most part of their work routine. They get Friday 1/2 day off and work 16-18 hours a day daily thru the week .

So what is the solution to all this ?

 

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johnpur said i guess no solution ricky, ...

i guess no solution ricky, unless the govenment starts to impose their laws seriously, then there's no chance for these people to be happy

 

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lusitano said Johnpur,That’s exactly ...

Johnpur,
That’s exactly it.
The only ones who can change things, is the government. The existent laws take into account the misery of the world, from where is always possible to get thousands and thousands of people to come here and work for peanuts no matter how harsh the working conditions are.

When Qatar will have the same sort of law and enforcement that any civilized country has, which protects all workers equally, with human dignity, then I will admire the way they spend the oil and gas money by contributing to the improvement of the world with fare reward to those who build their country!

Until then all I see in this, is hypocrisy ruling, taking advantage of the poverty in the world. As they well know that without this poverty, they wouldn’t get all these underpaid poor souls!
The development of Qatar is fed by the world’s misery!

All we can do is to help them as much as we can!

 

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Majnoon Ajnabi said Ricky... ...

if that is true (and I doubt it) then you need to report Lulus to the Qatari Labor Ministry.

Article (73)

The maximum ordinary working hours shall be forty eight per week at the rate of eight hours per day with the exception of the month of Ramadan when the maximum working hours shall be thirty six hours per month at the rate of six hours per day.

The time spent by the worker in transportation to and from the place of work and residence of the worker shall not form part of the working hours.

The working hours shall include an interval or more for prayer, rest and taking of meals which interval or intervals shall not be less than one hour and shall not be more than three hours. The said intervals shall not be taken into consideration in calculating the working hours in fixing the rest interval but the worker shall not work for more than five consecutive hours.

The Minister shall by a decision specify the types of work in respect of which the work may continue without stoppage for the purpose of rest.

Article (73)

The maximum ordinary working hours shall b e e ighty f our h ours per week at the rate of eight hours per day with the exception of the month of Ramadan when the maximum working hours shall be thirty six hours per month at the rate of six hours per day.

The time spent by the worker in transportation to and from the place of work and residence of the worker shall not form part of the working hours.

The working hours shall include an interval or more for prayer, rest and taking of meals which interval or intervals shall not be less than one hour and shall not be more than three hours. The said intervals shall not be taken into consideration in calculating the working hours in fixing the rest interval but the worker shall not work for more than five consecutive hours.

The Minister shall by a decision specify the types of work in respect of which the work may continue without stoppage for the purpose of rest.

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johnpur said majnoon, if ricky reports it ...

majnoon, if ricky reports it he as well might get into trouble himself....

no need to report it coz I think they already know that these things happen not only in lulu but to most of the companies here and still they are ignoring it.

for me reporting such practices is useless here, helping these poor fellows in a simple way as lusitano had said is much better solution.

 

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truthfulvisitor said sad faces ...

I am thinking more of the faces of the newly arrived labourers left to camp on the departures area of the airport. Some of them look vaguely optimistic about the awful fate that is to befall them, as they lie there in the airconditioning waiting for someone to pick them up.

It is rather how I imagine prisoners at Auschwitz might have felt on the way there on the train - being told they'd have a 'hot shower' and something to eat. A touch of weary optimism.. the place doesn't look so bad..

 

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lusitano said truthfulvisitor, The looks ...

truthfulvisitor,
The looks of those at Auschwitz then and the looks of those in Doha today, are sadly very similar.

 

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every_mothers_n... said majnoon nobody follows the ...

majnoon nobody follows the above article.....what happens in doha is if someone is working less than your normal working hours they will show you the article 73 and get u in trouble......but incase you are over working nobody will talk abt it.

Aana free, jaana free,
Pakde gaye tho khana free.

 

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gold24 said if one rich helps only one ...

if one rich helps only one poor wid honesty.....poverty wll be out from this world

 

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Majnoon Ajnabi said holy crap..... ...

you are comparing Qatar to Auschwitz????? You should be Majnoon Ajnabi not me.

Johnpur... yep, sit on your "pity potty" and think that someone else is taking of it.

It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and say the opposite

 

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The Dude.... said Lustiano.... Survival of the ...

Lustiano....

Survival of the fittest.

These Gondola drivers have this job for a reason, because they need it. If they would not need it, they would not do it.

Sympathy with the poorer in society is good, however one can put it into perspective. ALL made a choice of coming here in search for a better life, it is likely that an Indian labor that makes 750 to 1000 here, at home make 200 to 300 and has to clean the inside of oil-tankers, or has some odd job that could cost his life. Here, compared to many their lives are horrible, however we may never forget that he is now sending home 100% salary which he can support his family with.

Again, if there would be no need for them to be here they would not.

 

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Victory_278692 said This is the life in Gulf....... ...

I don't see any reason to CRY and sympathies, it is purely a matter of personal choice. Man is born free but he himself opted to be in such situation or sometime circumstances brought him here.

I have seen people progressing in their life/career with such cruel incidents and one should always look around for better options and jobs to satisfy their basic needs/comforts.

Just a few examples....
A taxi driver in Dubai (20 years back), now is a Finance officer in a MNC.

A sweeper (from Qatar cleaning company) 15 years back; is an Office assistant in charge of adninistration living happily with his family in Qatar.

One need to have a progressive attitude.


 

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Firewater said Dude Couldn't agree with you more ...

The last place I worked at we had a Tea Boy, he was on about 750 a month. He went back home after some time and bought himself a farm and then he could stay at home with his family. He didn't smile much here, but was happy when he was home on his own farm.

 

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donosa said The Dude.. ...

yes dude! But that statement is precisely what makes the employers take advantage of them....

 

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truthfulvisitor said good, glad I got your attention with the comparison ...

For sure the majority of people here, I'm talking about the local people, are kind and compassionate and have many good qualities. They are keen to give to charity, live in large families and show kindness to others and the elderly. I don't doubt any of their good points.

The truth is that there are several 'Qatars' existing simultaneously. Their world is very different to the world of the industrial area. What the former are not made aware of, or maybe they know but don't fully appreciate, is the depth to which the lowest slave class is exploited. This is something that readers on this website know well but it is easy to ignore when the most difficult task of your week is to stroll around Gucci and LV and pick out which four hangbags you are going to buy next.

For the latter, life means to be left out in temperatures that cats and dogs cannot even bear; feeling suicidal or taken to hospital with heatstroke; 'accidental' deaths and insanity kept out of the newspapers, covered up even by their own embassies and the media; sleeping in rotten portacabins with 9 other bodies; no union representation or power to improve their conditions.

Not things you or I would readily experience, or tolerate.

It is not due to the malevolence of any particular social class but only of greedy slavemasters who, having extracted their pound of Asian flesh, don't even want to pay the measly 500 riyals a month to their victims in return.

It is human trafficking and yes it happens in many places but THAT IS IRRELEVANT TO EVERYTHING - it happens here, and *HERE* is the place we are actually discussing.

For example, The fact that slavery existed in the USA does not provide any comfort to these poor victims. (Next time you see one of these poor buggers, drive up to him, roll down your window a bit and say "hey, it sucks, but what those evil imperalist European b*stards did in other countries was far worse!! Oh, and if you don't like it, leave!" You'll be sure to add some moral clarity to their wretched situation.)

Nor does the real estate price of a 2 bedroom house in India matter ONE BIT when discussing this, or arrogantly pretending that 'they' are 'used' to these kind of conditions because in 'their countries' that's how it is. Come to think of it, why aren't they kissing my feet with sheer gratitude?

It is, as a previous poster said, survival of the fittest. Either the contractor makes the profits or he pays his men more. Without the mechanism of unions, an aggressive and assertive media and other factors, he will get do it because he can get away with it. And why shouldn't he? He's backed up by thousands of educated morons spouting the awfully clever justification of how 300QR a month can provide five star comfort if you're living in a Bombay slum etc etc etc

We are all equally complicit in the state of these people. And none of us - not just the contractors - (and, truthfully, myself included) is willing to jeopardise one little iota of what we have to help. We are all equally guilty as we sit around and politely avert our eyes from those yellow school buses that no schoolchild would ever be forced to travel in.

We only slew our collective guilt of the upper classes of society and weaken the argument away from those unfortunates for whom the little gem of 'if you don't like it leave' is of no practical help whatsoever.

 

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truthfulvisitor said Hmm Firewater and Victor ...

i'd be prepared to bet neither of you have to live on 750 riyals a month.

 

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johnpur said yes, some people wanted to ...

yes, some people wanted to go home instead but what can they do, they are already here and if they go home, where would they get the money to pay their debt, a debt that they have so that they could come here and work. signed a contract for 1500QR back home then upon arriving here forced to sign another contract again for 700 QR. what can they do? what would you do if you were on their shoes?

 

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lusitano said truthfulvisitor , Have I ...

truthfulvisitor ,
Have I said that I admire your eloquent and pragmatic writing style, not to mention the quality of your posts' contents!
Thanks for the input.

 

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Gica Contra said Arien, do I know you? ...

I think you have something personal against me. Watch your language and if you don't like what I posted, doesn't mean is a crap! This is what I think and you cannot change my ideas by being aggressive!
YES, I do saw people smiling when they send money(this 700 QR...)and I know also that a 800 QR salary Nepali worker is calling me every week to came back in Qatar, after he resigned and said to me that he will never come here! So, tell me, who is to blame: Qatar with 600 QR salaries or the origin countries with more less than that? Open you mind, see the entire picture...For an old and wise guy like you it will not be difficult.

 

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truthfulvisitor said well it ain't called 'truthful' for nothing ...

thanks Lusitano. I also rather enjoyed your little foray into prose writing with your post.

I would further add - I'm no communist, but it p8sses me off when I hear people try to pretend that they're pioneering some kind of turn of the century 'American Dream' here (he started out as a tea boy in Dubai and now he's a CEO type-of-thing).

This debate is fundamentally about the interests of Capital versus Labour, and the moral urgency for concrete safeguards to prevent the exploitation of people who are at risk from their own unfortunate 'circumstances', to use Victor's word. Minimum wage being just one of a number of safeguards that can be used.

Maybe then we could move away from the irritating fashion of 'if you don't like it leave' which ACTUALLY means: "Life has given me a very sweet little package of privilege indeed, thank you very much, and there isn't enough to share around with everybody. So, rather than me losing anything, why don't you just go away and allow me to roll around in my lovely life like a pig in sh*t.'

 

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The Dude.... said Donosa, We may not forget ...

Donosa,

We may not forget that these societies are young and most likely could not function without the presence of labor. It takes time before you will see unions here and/or a governmental organ that oversees human rights properly.
It is likely to come, but in due time.

For now, people that have concerns and feel the need. Contribute on a small scale in whichever way you can, enough housewives here with fuck-all to do :-P

 

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lusitano said Truthfulvisitor, I have to ...

Truthfulvisitor,
I have to agree with you!
Sadder than the reality it self, is the insistence of seeing it as normal!

 

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UkEngQatar said Dude.. what makes me laugh, ...

Dude.. what makes me laugh, is that these so called housewive's even get housemaid to do their house work.. No wonder they are putting on wieght..:)

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johnpur said nice to read comments from ...

nice to read comments from people like you truthfull and lusitano, I can see how you follow the QLrule stick to the forum topic..

 

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truthfulvisitor said /-a-t-/ ukengqatar ...

No, no, you do the Desperate European Housewives a great disservice. I am offended on their behalf. There is plenty of exercise to be had in taking stray cats to the vet for spaying and neutering or "volunteering" for the latest feel-good cause.

Carrying the catbox from the car to the door in these temperatures takes its toll you know.

We speak up for the disenfranchised, but who will be brave enough to speak up for these poor Ladies of independently wealthy means?

 

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The Dude.... said UK... To me there is nothing ...

UK...

To me there is nothing worse than an obnoxious spoiled housewives that has fuck-all to do and starts complaining and harassing people out of boredom.

They have a name: Jumeirah Jane's

 

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The Dude.... said So now we know why so many ...

So now we know why so many male expatriates are half alcoholics, to deal with their nagging spouse.

 

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starfaith25 said very well written... its the ...

very well written...
its the sad reality of life...

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Life's a bitch and then you DIE! ;)

 

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shoeaddict said Lusitano ...

dnt you know the GLAZED,,ZOMBIE look is the IN look for 2009?
the doe-eyed,smiling faces is just a fad!!!
but really,your comment has a point.the inner emotion has manifested to the exterior.
every person ive met,talked with and observed coming to our shop has the glazed,zombie look too.
must be the water then...arrrggghhhh

 

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UkEngQatar said Dude you calling me an ...

Dude you calling me an alcoholic?..:) how did you find out?..lol :)

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Victory_278692 said Truthful visitor, I stayed for QR 750/- a month ...

15 years back; not alone but with my wife in Gulf and gone thru all sorts of issues.

One need to have a progressive and positive attitude; hone their skills and grab the opportunity.


 

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The Dude.... said UK-Eng We all are :-P ...

UK-Eng

We all are :-P

 

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truthfulvisitor said victory ...

Sure i do understand what you mean about building oneself up, improving skills and so on, but this is not the kind of place for that to happen. Anyhow the point is about putting safeguards and checks in place to prevent the worst exploitations.

Tell me, what would 750 riyals have bought you 15 years ago round here? just interested to know.

 

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Alexa said Hmmm, the scores of those ...

Hmmm, the scores of those "bored housewives" with maids are actually more often than not the ones making life a bit better for those in need. Think about it...yes, they have a maid doing housework, but this maid has a much better life, salary paid on time, and usually a generous one, than many other "unsmiling " people here in Qatar.

So do the gardeners, drivers etc.

Ever looked at it from that angle?

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

 

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Qatarita said Beautifully poignant and ...

Beautifully poignant and well written post Luistano.
I thoroughly enjoyed and hope to learn from ThruthfulAdvisors well structured insights aswell.

Just a simple but practical solution that I wish could one day be implemented is that of Zakat.
Zakat (Charity or alms) is the Muslim solution to the problem of impoverished destitution and one of the madatory 5 pillars of Islam required of every muslim.
2.5% of their wealth must be paid annually. Can you imagine the outcome? I know that those who inhabit the top third of the pyramid of wealth don't pay Zakat or else this problem would have been nonexistant.

 

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truthfulvisitor said qatarita ...

I thought all Qataris paid Zakat. You mean that a third of them don't? I am surprised, especially given the visible charity presence in the malls etc. But even if they did, there are other ways of spending the charity money, particularly with the 'they chose to come here' mentality that so many people have.

 

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Qatarita said Truthfullvisitor, the thing ...

Truthfullvisitor, the thing is Zakat is not mandatory in a legislative type of way, it is mandatory in the way God expects us to give of free will, like prayer there are no prayer police but we choose to do it.
However when it comes to money, mans vice has always been one of accumilating rather than sharing.
The prophet Mohammed who lived and died a poor man, well awear of our grieviance gave us clear cut instructions on Zakat, By God it is required as a prerequist of Islam (peace - submission to God)thus leaving no doubt and warning very sternly those who don't.
You're average Joe, or should I say Mo, pays his small 2.5 % of his wealth -which to him is relatively big, the same demographics as those effected by the stock market here.
And the same demographic is what the tables in the malls are for. Even well off Muslims in the region pay Zakat.
But not enough to solve the problem of what this thread is about, age old poverty and lack of opportunity.
Im talking about the mind boggling rich ones at the top of the wealth pyramid, which is who i specifically referred to. They dont pay zakat which is obvious.
Maybe busy buying $72M Rothkos...as you know it serves mankind better that way ;)

 

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Qatarita said Money is a responsibility ...

Money is a responsibility and not a right

 

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nicaq25 said what could be more sad than this? ...

that laborers being deprived by their rights?

NHRC stresses on adherence to labour law
DOHA: The National Human Rights Committee has laid emphasis on employers and sponsors strictly adhering to Law No.14/2004, which regulates the working hours of labourers during peak summer.
The human rights committee also observed that some work sites lacked the mandatory facilities to be provided there during peak summer.

The committee took exception to the practice of the officials concerned sitting in their offices and waiting for workers to submit complaints against erring employers. These officials must visit the project sites and ensure that the concerned law is being implemented by the sponsors and the rights of the workers are being protected, it said.
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Arien said Gica contra.. I dont know u, ...

Gica contra.. I dont know u, hence have nothing personal against you.

BUt I stand by wht I said as response to what you posted,its crap. and I have neithr any intention nor any hope to change your percpective on the subject.

If a worker choose to come here and work for 600, thst because he doesnt have a choice, that doesnt mean they should be used and exploited by paying them that peanuts. There are companies who pay 12 and 1500 instead of your 600 too in Qatar. Do something you can on that if u can.
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QatariLady said Wow ...

Very well-written..

How can they be happy when they're away from their families and KIDS!! It's the maids that really break my heart (being a mom)..

Qatarita..
Think of the Zakat being implemented on a large scale worldwide.. The Zakat of the Fortune 500 companies will probably form the annual budget of those labourer's countries.. Will we be prepared then to do housework?! :(


 

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PM said very, very powerful reading, Lusitano ...

I felt like I was there with you.

I suspect many of us need to reassess our place in all of this.

 

 

 

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Alexa said PM, reassess to what end? At ...

PM, reassess to what end?
At least we, the expatriates,( and of course some Qataris) do some good in helping those unfortunate out...did you read the article about the QL volunteer group on GT today?

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

 

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PM said Yes, I did Alexa. There are lots of good people here ...

but it doesn't negate the fact that there is so much misery. Perhaps we can do more, right?

 

 

 

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Qatarita said Qatari Lady...you know what ...

Qatari Lady...you know what I think we would all benefit from doing housework and getting children off tv, out of malls helping out and gaining a level of maturity our youth badly lack.
Husbands would have to be more attentive otherwise comforts of home would crash down around him, as he too will be forced to benefit from this change and become a more family oriented role model because of it.
Our houses would start to decrease in size for want of practicality, we would be nicer with our neighbours and society may start to heal.
We would be too busy with better things than reverting to filling the emptiness and lack of personal growth with material gains just to show off to people we dont like with things we dont need with money we shouldnt spend.
Yes I think i would like this very much, and mind you this is coming from a woman who hasnt the foggiest idea how to operate a washing machiene, for a family home whos staff members outnumber that of the family members.
Yes I would want my children being raised in a healthier environment than one i was born into.
I think society would be better for it.
ANd btw we didnt have maids 50 years ago...ok we had slaves, then, but life wasnt as fake as it is now, and people were healthier and happier than they are now.

 

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Alexa said PM, I ,for one, don't think ...

PM, I ,for one, don't think so.
I think we ARE doing all we can. And in some cases that might already jeopardize some good people's status.
We are somewhat tolerated guests here...we are here as long as we are useful...and if we get too loud, we will be silenced.
so we work quietly, and do what we can.

Only those who own the land have the power to change things. But that will only happen if it is profitable for them...and apparently at the moment it is not.

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

 

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Veekaay said Thanks Lusitano for a well ...

Thanks Lusitano for a well written article that touches a cord of guilt when we see these unhappy faces in such a rich surrounding

 

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PM said Well then by all means, Alexa, don't do any more. ...

I personally think I can and I intend to.

 

 

 

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Alexa said Good for you. Send me a note ...

Good for you.
Send me a note when you have alleviated all misery in this here land.

Let mad dogs bark at the moon...in solitude.

 

PM's picture

PM said Qatarita: 50 years ago you had slaves? ...

Are you serious? When was slavery abolished practically and legally in Qatar. I have never read anything on the subject.

 

 

 

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PM said No need to be catty. Alexa :-) ...

I'm not really sure why you are offended by the idea of someone wanting to give more....

 

 

 

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QatariLady said Qatarita.. ...

[quote]: "but life wasnt as fake as it is now, and people were healthier and happier than they are now."

Even in a simpler society there will always be -I will not say miserable- but less fortunate ppl.. Like you said we didn't have maids but we did have slaves(that was even worse..)..

When you come to think of it, every single person, poor or rich, has problems and worries to keep their faces dull most of the day, even the HRH! We can eliminate the severeness of this misery which we already do but maybe not enough..


 

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Qatarita said PM, Where did you think the ...

PM, Where did you think the back gulf people originated from, these are our brothers and sisters whom were brought from Africa. But are every bit a part of society as we are, some still retain our last names as their identity of whom they are a part of.

Most of the powerful families in Gulf countries had the majority of black (few white) slaves.
Theyve been here since the days of the Prophet Mohammed PBUH.
I said 50 yrs,age wise some are dead but had they been alive today the one in my mind would be a ripe old 90- 100 years old, thininking back to the age of the few of whom I had the fortune of personal interaction with.
The ones that belonged to my mother and father, although i spent more time with the maternal family.
The earliest slave famous you will read of was Bilal; He became one of the prophets closest companions when he found that Islam made him equal to his master.
This I can attest to was one of the die hard habbits this part of the world let go prior Islam.
HOWEVER Unlike the US they werent mistreated in the Gulf, flogging was unheard of, the worst punsihment would be to be sold off. They raised us and were very much a part of our familys. The ones who breast fed our parents automatically became kin.
Also when a slave woman would be bedded by her owner, also unlike the West she wouldnt be passed around as this automatically made her a wife, in fact when she bears him children they automatically become legally his children equal to that of their brothers and sisters included in this is thier right to inherit.
You mention written sources? This is it right here, ive written it now.
Although you ought to know Two famous examples of sons of former slave women: 1- Sheikh Saad Al Abdulla who became crown prince of Kuwait - you ought to at least know this fact PM!!!
And HRH Prince Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud, the Saudi ambassador to the US PM, I hope youre saying "ohhh yes" right about now.
See and you all cheered when Obama was elected, we beat you to it centuries ago.

BTW you havent mentioned your plans " Alexa dont do anymore,I personally think I can and I intend to"

Care to share with us?

 

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TraceyBoots said This is sadly true.... ...

and very well expressed. Recently my sister visited me from Canada and we went to City Centre one afternoon. We saw a maid struggling to control two little boys and when we walked by her my sister said, "what a shame - her eyes have died - there's no sparkle or life left in that poor girl" and I realized that was something I often saw but didn't express. Since then I see it, or maybe recognize it, very often and it makes me very sad indeed. Even though we can't alleviate the misery for many at least we can feel compassion for the human struggle which is their lives sometimes.

 

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genesis said As you said Qatarita. They ...

Nicely wriiten Qatarita. As you said,They were part of our families. the next generation have well integrated ino the society.Some are having high ranks at the government . Although inter-marriages still looks far, but there is no discrimination in general

 

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PM said I am aware that the Black Gulf Arabs were African slaves ...

What I was asking about was the abolition of slavery, making it illegal. When was that?

As for my plans, I think I need to set aside a monthly amount for charity in addition to my zakat. And I will get involved in more charitable activities (although I hate groups and will still prefer to work individually, not wanting my name or picture published).

 

 

 

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PM said You seem to assume I know all the history of the Gulf, Qatarita ...

I'm still a student :-)

Yes, I am very happy to have elected Obama. My grandchildren are bi-racial and I love to know that they are growing up in a time of greater possibility. I am not ashamed to admit our weaknesses as a nation. In fact, I think by airing them we are more inclined to change them.

 

 

 

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donosa said dude. I didn't understand ...

dude. I didn't understand your last phrase:
"Contribute on a small scale in whichever way you can, enough housewives here with fuck-all to do :-P "

Sorry, got lost in translation...


 

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donosa said dude. I didn't understand ...

dude. I didn't understand your last phrase:
"Contribute on a small scale in whichever way you can, enough housewives here with fuck-all to do :-P "

Sorry, got lost in translation...


 

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PM said If the former slaves are viewed as equals then why is there no ...

intermarriage? I understand that marriage is an alliance of love, families, businesses, etc. But what I don't understand is why there is still no intermarriage on any noticeable scale. Any thoughts?

 

 

 

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genesis said pm ...

Inter marriages restriction is not limited to the blacks.
Sorry, if I implied that.There is still some cultural taboo, in
Inter marriages among qataris in general. Whether arab tribes, persians,
Arab of persia or blacks.
Anyway, sorry for hijacking lustino thread

 

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PM said Yes, I understand that ...

But it is quite apparent that mixing black and "lighter Arab" (for want of a better term) is definitely a no-go. I just wonder if it will ever change.

Anyway, we can discuss that on another thread if anyone is interested.

 

 

 

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The Dude.... said Culture will always remain ...

Culture will always remain culture, it take decades to break boundaries or taboo's. I think with Muslims these processes go even slower as they are subject to heavy laws and social control.

In the end, McDonalds and Coca Cola will prevail. No worries.

 

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The Dude.... said This article is bogus...and written out of guilt feeling. ...

As goes for this article it is bogus.

Ask yourself, and answer.

- What opportunities does the Gondola driver/labor/cashier have in his/her own country?

- Why is this individual here?

- Have I ever been in Slums in Philippines, Sri Lanka, South Africa, India or such a nation? (FYI, I have been)

- What would "the bored" individual do when home?

- Is there any gain for these people by being here?

And so on....

Now, this article is written by somebody who feels guilty for not doing enough for his/her fellow human beings. Nobody need to change the world, nobody can help all but anybody can contribute a little.

People are living in different realities. Some poor some mid-class some rich. This all depends on where one was borne and in which "environment" one was born. The majority of the people will struggle all their life, and a few will climb up the stairs. The harsh reality of life.

In the end it IS

"survival of the fittest"

 

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PM said The Dude, while certainly one might suggest ...

that there are many things to consider about why anyone is here and how they feel about it, I don't think it's bogus to feel something for people who seem to be in unhappy situations here. Just because they may not have all the opportunities someone else has, we still can feel for them. Or at least I can.

Survival of the fittest, yes. But we don't have to lose our humanity on that climb up the ladder.

 

 

 

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The Dude.... said PM Reality is and remains to ...

PM

Reality is and remains to be the harsh reality of the Middle East. Modern Slavery is FACT.

I never said we could not FEEL or CARE, and yes I realize my post seems relatively 'cold', but... NEVER ever forget that these people that CHOSE to take on these jobs are NOT here JUST BECAUSE... in the end they decided that this would be an improvement. Surely there are exceptions to the rule, but...generally NOBODY steps onto a plane in search of an EQUAL life. The prospect is always improvement. The reality/situation differs from person to person.

I never throw out clothing, I give it away.
I buy my staff pastries and will never ever not sign a resignation or give them warnings that lead to reduction in salaries
I stand up for my staff if anybody feel the stupid need to be rude against them.

But I do realize the reality of our surroundings and have put into perspective the emotional parts of observing the less fortunate.

I may have well written this article 5 years ago, but experience tells.... realities, differ.

 

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lusitano said Thank you all for your ...

Thank you all for your valuable inputs and opinions.
The intention of this post was to recall the attention to the fact that this rich nation, has not yet had the time and the will to establish and implement basic rights for workers, such as minimum salary, days off, the right to have a home and their families with them, holidays, medical, etc, etc, etc...

Basic things that will ensure human dignity, that will give a reason to the gondolas drivers to at least be happy when their working day is over; to the maids that at least could have a day off and meet with their friends...

To remind all of us that this nation still import batches of human flesh instead of individual humans that have right to be treated as such and have right to aspire to the basic human rights of having a home, a family, protection rights against greedy employers, etc... just like any other emigrant to any other civilized country!
After all isn't this country on the top of the great GDP’s list?

These are basic rights that have been established and implemented in many many other countries, with much less resources than this one.
Why can't it be done here?

Of course it is much more comfortable for some of us to look through these cases, as if they were invisible or part of the decor, to pretend that all this is normal and all this abuse its not that but whatever it is, reflections on its causes and existence just don’t take place in our busy and blind minds.

Personally, I think it’s a matter of time. Maybe it will take decades, maybe it will take centuries, but I believe that applying pressure by exposing the obvious abuses, will eventually force those in power to act upon.

And that is what I am trying to do here, contribute to that exposure, to the pressure!
Thank you all.

 

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QatariLady said lusitano ...

I don't know the circumstances of every single individual.. Probably their misery is caused by their countries not Qatar..
I have ppl working for me at home and in a private business.. My maids go home for a month only and come back even though they're entitled for 2 months every 2 years.. One of them went home only when her husband died.. They actually complain that when they go home they have to pay a "fortune" to their governments to be able to come back.. Of course I pay for them (well, my husbands does) but what kind of a government that would "share" the savings of those poor people!

Almost the same with the employees.. I have some who chose not to take their annual leaves this years..

 

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johnpur said qatarlady, accept the ...

qatarlady, accept the reality about the situations of underpaid expatriates here but it's good that there are a few like you who cares about the welfare of those unfortunate people. I also believe that it's not qatar itself but in the other hand this government is not doing something to combat exploitation done by foreign companies

 

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lusitano said QatariLady, I was not ...

QatariLady,
I was not referring to the lucky ones who are treated well by their employers.
I was referring to the majority of the unlucky ones that are victims of their greedy employers and to the primitive or non existent law to protect those and ensure them a minimum of human dignity.
You know that in spite of your kindness and of many other Qatari and foreigner employers, there are many abusers that are free to behave as such, as there are no laws to restrict them.
The dull faces are serving them!

 

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jasminejasmine said I do notice them. I always ...

I do notice them. I always stop and say Hi to the guy at Carrefour who checks in your shopping bags and I always give him 10QR when I collect my bags. I know the security guys in Virgin, the guys in Starbucks and I take the Karwa bus with the workers and know many of the Dukhan road guys by name.
Often it is not just about tipping but more, for me about looking people in the eye, smiling, acting as if they exist and being one human to another to them. Even if that means sitting next to them, eek a man! eek, a bit sweaty!! I have had a few arguments with people here who say I am "spoiling it for the rest of them" because once a week my Indian cleaner spends half an hour on my Skype to his wife, parents and children.

Personally I like having a cleaner and living in a country where there is a service industry. The divide between rich and poor is the way the world currently is and it's not my, or Qatar's fault. There is a difference between service and slavery and many people forget that here.

 

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StarGate said Great article, should be ...

Great article, should be published in the local newspaper or on TV.

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