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Olive said
I think it's a control ...I think it's a control thing. Men, especially in cultures like the one in Haiti & DRC, have a need to be "in charge" or feel powerful. When something like an earthquake happens they find themselves in a situation in which they've lost all control and power, and they need to regain that, for many the only way they can do that is by victimizing the weak.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
i♥pakistan said
:( ...how sickening - taking advantage of da already troubled, weak onez !~
Colt45 said
Nuh huh ...Probably some frustrated asswipes taking advantage of the whole situation... it is appalling the extent some people go to :-(
Straight Arrow said
In my opinion it is because the absence of values ...These people do not realize that what ever they do is counted, and they do not know that some one else will rape their wives and sisters and daughters in the other days.
It is simple rule the treat people badly and therefore they will be treated the same way.
But when those bad people in Haiti have some moral and respect then they will stop it.
I have a very simple question, does this guy who rape other women would like his mother or sister or wife to be raped?
If he would like then please tell me what kind of person is this?
jackmohan2007 said
Thats really sad .. ...Thats really sad ..:(
Straight Arrow said
Also on the news ...The Haiti authorities stoped ten Americans who were trying to smugle and export some Haiti kids illegally.
Dot.Com said
a very strange defence for ......... ...the neighbors are involved in this trade as well for women trafficking.
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Olive said
Straight Arrow I would love ...Straight Arrow I would love to see how Qatari's would react should their entire country be destroyed by an earthquake and over 200,000 people killed...oh wait 200,000 would be the ENTIRE Qatari population!
You can't sit in your safe little home on your high horse and judge people for being in a situation you couldn't imagine yourself in in a million years. I don't agree with the rape of women and children but at the same time I can't pretend for 5 sec's that I know what's going through these men's minds.
As for the Americans, they were part of a Christian group trying to get orphans out of Haiti, unfortunately they didn't go through the proper legal channels (which would have taken years) and they were charged with human trafficking. I doubt highly they meant any harm to the children.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
i♥pakistan said
Straight Arrow ... ...but unfortunately that news won't make headlines in any newspaper/ channel !
whyteknight said
Human mind gets messed up ...Human mind gets messed up when faced with such a catastrophe...
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Olive said
I :3 Pakistan it's been all ...I :3 Pakistan it's been all over the News.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
chocoholic said
iheartpakistan, do you even ...iheartpakistan, do you even watch the news? It was on every channel and in every paper!
--All you really need is love, but a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt-- Lucy Van Pelt
Dot.Com said
they are involved in human trafficking in haiti ...so why blindly support???
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jon alfahad said
it is normal when there are ...it is normal when there are no laws and orders.
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Olive said
Why blindly assume they were ...Why blindly assume they were human trafficking Dot.Com? They're a well known Christian aid group, as most articles said, pretty much every NGO there is doing the same thing to get kids to safety so they aren't raped & killed, these were just the group that got caught without the proper paper work.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
i♥pakistan said
Olive, Chocoholic... ...good if it was...
no, didn't have a chance to catch up with the news - besides, there is nothing good there ... every breaking news breaks ur heart !
Dot.Com said
lol ...why they are christian group???
why not human group???
and by the way, i didn't meant it for Red Crescent, u know it better, they are ....... armies, who are involved in this business.
sitting inside ur small cabin and moving ur fingers, is not a big job :P
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Olive said
Why is Qatar Charity a ...Why is Qatar Charity a Muslim group Dot.Com? Because that's what they are.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Victory_278692 said
To maintain ...Law and Order should be the first concern and then charity and rehab work. It is obvious.
britexpat said
The Haitian authorities are ...The Haitian authorities are using this to make a name for themselves and show their people that they are protecting their rights.
Dot.Com said
ohhhhh wat i mean ...they are from third world, so religion is primary element for them, but in west.....
i heard they have valued for human???
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Olive said
Dot.Com stop talking drivel, ...Dot.Com stop talking drivel, you aren't even making sense. Surely there's another thread that you can let your Anti-American bias run free.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
jon alfahad said
in the west they valued your ...in the west they valued your life under one condetion that not to be a muslim
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Dot.Com said
did i say americans doing all those bullshits??? ...we have an old saying
"If you are not a thief, then no need to afraid of the King"
Hope this time you'll understand :P
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Straight Arrow said
I agree 100 % Qatar charities should go there ...Olive why would you like to see an earth quake in Qatar? Olive I am sure you have some thing bad in your mind because you wish an earth quake to be here in Qatar, because the good person will never ever bite the hand which gives help to him/her.
Olive you are reallllllllllllllllly verrrrrrrrrrry bad person and I would like to tell you that you seem that kind of person who never has respect to the person or country that is good to you, and I say this because of your reply in this thread.
Olive said
Straight Arrow can you ...Straight Arrow can you actually read English?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Olive said
Dot.Com I'm referring to ...Dot.Com I'm referring to your inability to post anything on this site that isn't bashing the US. This thread has NOTHING to do with the US, yet the moment Straight Arrow brought it up, you started in with your bashing. Seriously your bias is getting old and boring.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
jon alfahad said
why do you have to have your ...why do you have to have your opinon and ideas about matters and denyed us ours....for people to respect you you need to repect them ....mam..i did not disrespect your ideas all I said is what I thought about.
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Dot.Com said
i know ...this is not your favorite channel. :P
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Olive said
You're welcome to an opinion ...You're welcome to an opinion jon alfahad, but let me put it this way, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think your ignorant then to open it and prove it. You're comment proved your ignorance.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
britexpat said
So, getting back to the ...So, getting back to the topic ..:O)
Is it just a control thing ?
How does violently raping women and babies give them a sense of control ?
labda06 said
Brit, apparently your ...Brit, apparently your question is not so simple.
Olive said
I would say because they ...I would say because they have control over those women and children, they can do what they wish to them.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
jon alfahad said
lol..... I am an american ...lol..... I am an american ..and I love my country..I just don't get people like you...becuase I don't agree with you that make me an ingnorant.
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QatariGentel said
...... ...Olive, why do you keep attacking Qatar and Islam? While it is obvious that christens and the western world are using their power against human nature and taking advantage of poor people….to protect their own interest .. Olive , based on your comments unfortunately you carry the same feeling toward Qatar and Islam ….!!!
Olive said
What did I say about Qatar & ...What did I say about Qatar & Islam in this thread?!?!?
If you were an American Jon alfahad you would know that the same American NGO's you're bashing were there helping people in Pakistan after the Earthquake, are in Sudan, Chad & any number of Muslim country's doing the same thing they are doing in Haiti. So I really don't get how you can bash "your country" without acknowledging the good works they are doing.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Nic said
jon, nothing to do with the ...jon,
nothing to do with the post but aren't you a qatari living in the US?
Nic said
Brit, Do you really have ...Brit,
Do you really have evidence that sick guys are rapping babies in Haiti?
Come on, it’s hard to believe that a human being or even any other animal species will descend to that level!
Olive said
Unfortunately raping of ...Unfortunately raping of infants is becoming quite the issue in Africa Nic.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
jon alfahad said
Nic...no sir I become an ...Nic...no sir I become an american 10 years ago....
Olive..thier is always the good, bad and the ugly and I have seen it all...just remmember the rite at LA after the Rodney King verdec.
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Olive said
I remember the Rodney King ...I remember the Rodney King verdict very well jon alfahad, however I still don't see what that has to do with your ignorant comment about. Rodney King was not Muslim.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
venice_plus said
olive if you dont like qatar ...olive if you dont like qatar go back where you belong.
Nic said
Olive is obviously not ...Olive is obviously not attacking Qatar and Islam, the lack of understanding of written English language associated with bias thinking, leads to non sense assumptions!
This is the cause many conflicts!
Olive said
Where did I say I didn't ...Where did I say I didn't like Qatar?? People need to learn to bloody read on this site!
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Nic said
Jon, Having an American ...Jon,
Having an American passport does not necessarily mean that you have an American soul as you comment above implied it!
jon alfahad said
Nic....I don't know about an ...Nic....I don't know about an American soul..But I was in the Air force..which mean I was ready to die for this land.
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omega1227 said
Earthquake in Qatar ...Olive, there are only around 60 thousand qatari's in the whole country, the rest of the population are Flips, Indians/Pakistanis and westerners.... What do you think the qatari's would do. They would just get more of the above to come and rebuild the country.
Olive said
Very true Omega they would, ...Very true Omega they would, which is why I find Straight Arrows comments on the moral values of the people of Haiti so insulting. He will NEVER be in their situation and he has no right to judge them.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Nic said
Jon,You don’t need to ...Jon,
You don’t need to justify anything.
The clash between where you originally come from and where you are now may generate personal conflict that is why your opinions may contradict with each other.
You can’t erase what you are by simply getting a new passport or even joining an army.
anyway, this is not the topic of the thread. lets leave it here.
QatariGentel said
Nic ...As per your view , for any future comments about our tradition and culture, you must learn 1st Arabic Language. Un fortunately most of Americans are very naive on these issue…..
omega1227 said
Attack on Olive ...Thats not nice, maybe she does belong here, helping the (not so) poor and the inflicted....
You shoudl hear the NON whites, complaining about the UK, But they don't leave, so why have a go at Olive for making a comment.
Is't this site and others like it supposed to let people "get things off thier chests".
Straight Arrow said
This is what you have said olive ...I would love to see how Qatari's would react should their entire country be destroyed by an earthquake and over 200,000 people killed...oh wait 200,000 would be the ENTIRE Qatari population!
Nic said
QatariGentel, your comment ...QatariGentel,
your comment proved my point, reading and interpretation skills are some how limited!
Olive said
Straight Arrow you made the ...Straight Arrow you made the incredibly insensitive comment that what's happening in Haiti is happening because the people there lack values & Morals. My comment was that I would love to see what would happen to the morals and values of the people of Qatar if the same thing happened. I doubt you'd find much of a difference in the behaviour. If you take that as I actually want an Earthquake to hit Qatar than that's because of your own lack of understanding of the subtleties of the English language.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
omega1227 said
I respectfully disagree, You ...I respectfully disagree, You never saw or heard of any rape of any women or Children in South East Asia after the Tsunami. I think its a uneducated black thing, or more to the point a every man for himself and by the way I'll have yours whilst I'm at it,thing.
Olive said
An uneducated black thing. ...An uneducated black thing. :/ :-0 Wow....speechless.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Nic said
Straight Arrow, Can't you ...Straight Arrow,
Can't you understand that, Olive's comment is not a wish? It’s just a call to reflect on the hypothetical situation, if the catastrophe ever happened here. I guess you really need a certain level of English skills to understand the full use of it!
jon alfahad said
Olive and Nic are better ...Olive and Nic are better than us and they are here to teach us about ourselfs since we are not smart enough to understand what is going on even inside of our little heads...lets leave it here..lol
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QatariGentel said
Jon... ...:)
Olive said
I'm sure you have a great ...I'm sure you have a great grasp of what's going on it your head jon, you just don't seem to have to much of a grasp of what's going on in the world. Perhaps you should stick to writing soppy love poetry.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
omega1227 said
Absolutely. good point ...Absolutely. good point... Law and order First.
Nic said
jon,did you mean us as ...jon,
did you mean "us" as "Americans"?
Dot.Com said
may be we are not smart ...may be we are not smart enough to get your point, but wat to do with the media reports, that showing raping, kidnaping and human trafficking in haiti by those aid providers and rescues teams???
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omega1227 said
Value of life ...There's nothing wrong with that.
jon alfahad said
No...Nic just you and ...No...Nic just you and Olive..I have been in this land long enough to know what kind of people I talk to. And you Olive you need to which more of Dr.Phil you might learn something.
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Olive said
Where are the reports of AID ...Where are the reports of AID teams raping? Please provide links.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
labda06 said
I've never seen so many daft ...I've never seen so many daft comments. Where on this thread has Olive bashed Qatar or Islam? Why dont you people take the time to READ and DIGEST her comments and then form an opinion?? You really wont keel over if you do, try it.
Olive said
Why Jon, does Dr. Phil say ...Why Jon, does Dr. Phil say Americans don't help Muslims?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
s_isale said
OLive look at the news. Spme ...OLive look at the news. Spme of the children had parents. They were not orphans at all. Why didnt they try to do it in a legal manner if at all they were interested in sving those kids. It was a plsin and simple kidnapping attempt. So stop spinning your own theories there.
http://news.yahoo.co...
This is way that Baptists do in most of the countries. Kidnap or entice the children to go with them and accept their religion.
Plain and simple. Use their poverty to entice them to join their religion.
jon alfahad said
Olive you need to understand ...Olive you need to understand people for them to understand you, that what I meant when I said that..for alot of people the way you used your words is really hard to digest...mam. And I have no problem with what you think just force it on me.
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silenced said
this thread has become ...this thread has become really bad
Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.
- Chinese proverb
Olive said
Spinning my own ...Spinning my own theories??!?? Look who's talking! Yes some of the kids had parents, but they were all in a refugee camp starving. This was an Aid group who honestly probably thought they were doing the right thing and unfortunately now are being prosecuted for not filing the proper papers. It's a stupid mistake but not a malicious one.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Olive said
Again Jon, I will repeat ...Again Jon, I will repeat your own words back to you: "in the west they valued your life under one condetion that not to be a muslim"
Now seriously think what your Dr. Phil would say about that statement, and whether or not YOU are truly understanding people, or are instead, just making derogatory, uninformed comments.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Straight Arrow said
In my opinion ...See a strong believer in faith will never ever do bad things even when the worest thing or most bad thing happens to him.
Do you know what he/she will say?
They will say thank god.
I was speaking from a believer point of view and I am sorry if this view insults some of you guys.
A believer will that he can not change the fait or faith or distiny.
jon alfahad said
yes mam....you have a good ...yes mam....you have a good one. It is 1:00 and I need to go to bed...have to work. Nice talking to you.
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Azam said
Olive, don't you think those ...Olive, don't you think those who engage in such acts have no moral values? Can Earthquake be an excuse to defend them? What wrong you find with StraightArrow? I think he properly understood your english.
omega1227 said
Uneducated Black thing.. ...I didn't mean to offend anyone by that, I was just pointing out that the raping thats been reported in Haiti, well is a black thing. 1.It's a Carribbean Island. and 2. of the Uneducated people in S.E. Asia, they never went round Terrorising women.
So Please no 'Race ' Cards here....
omega1227 said
Olive You need ...Sorry Jon, I think you mean DON'T Force it...
labda06 said
omega1227... What do you ...omega1227... What do you mean a black thing? This black girl would like to know. "So please no race cards here"...says the guy who just raised the race card.
Olive said
Azam I don't think we can ...Azam I don't think we can put ourselves in their shoes or even begin to understand what they're going through. To simply pass it off as "no moral values" is childish and naiive.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Azam said
It seems their moral values ...It seems their moral values too got devastated by the Earthquake! Otherwise a person with any morals cann't succumb to such shameful acts, if there is any truth in the news, however.
omega1227 said
What do you mean ...Again Forgive me, But that is my point, the Island is in the Caribbean, Where Black folk live. After the earthquake in Indonesia, there where no Reported rapes of any other crimes, Like wise in Thailand after the Tsunami. Yet in New Orleans (again a predominately Black state) a shed lod of crime after the wipe out....
I was just agreeing with a previoous post that Law and order shoudl have been put in place. then the Rape of the poor woman (women)could have been prevented.
Olive said
There was plenty of crime in ...There was plenty of crime in the areas hit after the Tsunami, perhaps because the disaster was so spread out the relief efforts took most of the news, but here's what I've found:
http://www.expressin...
"In stark contrast to a worldwide outpouring of humanitarian aid in response to the Dec. 26 tsunami, whose death toll stood at nearly 145,000 people by Monday, a women's group in Sri Lanka said rapists were preying on homeless survivors.
"We have received reports of incidents of rape, gang rape, molestation and physical abuse of women and girls in the course of unsupervised rescue operations and while resident in temporary shelters," the Women and Media Collective group said."
And there's a book written about it:
http://www.springerl...
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
UkEngQatar said
Pure animals..thats what ...Pure animals..thats what these Predators are!
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whyteknight said
Wow what is going on in this ...Wow what is going on in this thread.. Crime goes up everytime there is a calamity like this one in Haiti. The worst of times apparently bring out the worst in some humans. It has NOTHING to do with ANY RACE OR RELIGION... Chill out people.
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Olive said
This thread makes me think ...This thread makes me think of the film I just saw called "the Road" anyone seen it? Basically it's a very dismal story set in post-apocalyptic America. Probably the most realistic portrayal of life after the apocalypse that I've ever seen.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Straight Arrow said
Rape of Women and Children is one type of crimes ...I repeat for you it is very difficult to understand my point of view Olive because you are non believer.
More simply if you do not know Arabic then how can you understand an Arabic book?
You will understand only if you have a dictionary or some one who knows Arabic.
Therefore in my point of view a non believer may not understand the point of a believer 100 % but maybe 50 % or little more.
I have to say that you are well educated Olive and you defend your points well.
I hope this will not offend you.
whyteknight said
Yep seen it.. Kind of sad ...Yep seen it.. Kind of sad movie.. Left me a bit depressed..
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happygolucky said
Olive.... you are thinking ...Olive.... you are thinking so much on this thread that it got me thinking that your thinking is not finding its way with the thinking of others on this thread...:)
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Olive said
It was the first movie I've ...It was the first movie I've ever seen whyteknight that I actually rooted for the main characters to kill themselves!
My point is though, if you look at that movie, how many people in it (if they'd been real), when asked would they become cannibals in that situation would have said yes? I'm going to say pretty few.
Now that's a VERY extreme situation, but the fact is, in situations like these, no matter how God-fearing or moral you think you are, you never know how you're going to react. The most God-fearing people can become the biggest villians and the most "immoral" people the heroes. It goes a lot deeper then religion, belief or any of the things we've argued about in this thread.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce