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Canada or Australia Migration
This is for my brother who is working as an IT professional in Dubai.... He is planning to migrate to Canada or Australia. But he is still not sure where to migrate.... I would really appreciate if somebody who has experience in this could give valuable suggestions..
Is Canada or Australia a better place to migrate ?? Pls give ur valuable advices and
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smoke said
trust me on this stay in ...trust me on this stay in the Gulf and make lots money, i know lots of people who left good positions and jobs here just to experience the whole "CANADA" life and then started repenting. So unless u have truck loads of money dont think of migrating to these places.
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samsam said
go to the web site ...www.cic.gc.ca and look for simplified skilled worker application form and download it fill it up sign it; and send it to the embassy in dubai with 550CAD (almost 550 usd). Later on; he will be asked to send his documents, no need to send any docs before they ask for it.
britexpat said
Depends on what he wants. ...Depends on what he wants. Canada is next to the U.S, has a high migrant population, but is extremly cold for part of the year.
Australia has great weather, laid back people, but is far from anywhere else.
qatarisun said
try better ...try better Guatemala oh Honolulu
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greentea said
if saving money is not as ...if saving money is not as important anymore for your brother, he can migrate to any of these countries, consider britexpat suggestion in choosing which country to migrate to... but otherwise, stay here in the gulf, earn more and save more... although consider that life in gulf is only good til u retire or ur contract expire (if ur host country did not kick u out
)... then u have to go back to ur homeland and bid d gulf and ur friends farewell 
charansoi11r said
smoke - do not agree I can ...smoke - do not agree I can earn more in OZ for my job :(
shreeya said
Stan76, ...Yes, Smoke is right. You can definitely take his advice. My friend was having very big Canadian dreams. He knew about the initial 3 years struggle. He was well prepared mentally as well as physically also with a strong financial back-up. He was ready to do any kind of odd jobs...which you have to do in Canada as your educational qualifiaction beomes simply 10+2 as soon as you land in there. My friend was a well settled Dentist in India....he just couldn't get any Dental assistant job too. He never ever yold us that what he had to go thru in his 4 months stay in Toranto. He came back to India after 4 mths with a huge hole in pocket.
Again after completing a costly course in Gemology, he went there to try his luck again. And this time too he returned after 2 months again with a huge hole in pocket.
I am not writing this to discourage your brother. This is ground reality one must know before proceeding for it.
Still I know those too who had gone thru all the struggle and now are well settled in Canada.
ksarat16 said
Stan76 ...Well well well, a topic that I have been thru...
Trust me man, as smokey said, only if you have money and lots of it think of migrating, it isnt a cake walk exactly up there or down under...
Lots of Tax system which is the biggest killer...so take your decision based on the fact that u either have lots of money or you dont make any money when u go there..lol..simple..
someonenew said
Family friends of ours(the ...Family friends of ours(the whole family) migrated to Canda about 10 years back. The parents thought it was extremly cold(they were basically from south india which is more or less tropical). The kids did their college education there and love it there but the family is back in India although the kids are canadian citizens now and want to return.
The dad was working in Qatar Petroleum for at least 15 years before they migrated so they must've saved a lot of money before they went.
Upto you dude. I donno abt australian though.
qatarisun said
shreeya ...what r u talking about?"He knew about the initial 3 years struggle.", but "He came back to India after 4 mths" and "he returned after 2 months again"... what a nonsense...
...and how do you think hundreds of thousand of immigrants make it??? if all of them went "back to India after 4 months", no immigrants would live in T.O. by now...lol...
...and for the doctors and lawyers everywhere are the same rules: you have to start your study all over again, or at least to do a very very very difficult exam before your practicing.. which is absolutely right!! Norms and standards are different in different parts of the world, please understand it... it people's health and lives in their hands. Every normal government wants to make sure it has done according to its rules and regulations.
...and how many people cannot find a job here in Qatar either???
...and if YOU know "someone" who couldn't succeed, it doesn't mean other thousands and thousands of immigrants cannot succeed either...
and.. and.. and..
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Muhajireen said
Canada: Closure US and ...Canada:
Closure US and they have free trade agreement and u can move to US. But its very cold mostly below zero temperature. If u r from subcontinent, its too far.
Australia:
Good moderate climate and closer to asian subcontinent.
Migration to either of above countries is good as we donot have permanency here in the Gulf and children education is a big question in Gulf. But of course u should have enough cash and saving potential in western countries are generally low.
If you think money stay here and if you think life migrate after saving a reasonalbe amount.
someonenew said
What about NewZealand? I ...What about NewZealand? I heard it's a nice place to migrate to.
qatarisun said
Muhajireen ...very good points about uncertain status in qatar.. you never know what will happen tomorrow.. and about the kid's education...
I would add a stability point.. and a sense of HOME....
... MONEY is not the ONLY decisive factor
i know what i am talking about.. i am "non-canadian born" canadian...lol...
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shreeya said
Qatarisun ...Please watch your words....'nonsense'? What if it is not making any sense to you?
What I have told is a 200% true story. And please make a note I have not said a single bad word abt Cananda. Why are you saying me that there are thousand others, I myself had written it in the last line. All I have said is about the struggle which you just can't deny..whtever your opinion might be....
Dr, Lawyer, engineer whatever degree you have as soon as you lnd in Canada all your qualification becomes 10+2 only. It's a reality, if you can't digest it...your problem....I'll still give give the same advice to my fellow Indians.
qatarisun said
shreeya ...1.sorry for nonsense
2. no any doubts that your story is "200%" true ...even though 200% is nonsense by itself, but it's ok...
3.NOT everyone is struggling, NOT AT ALL
4.your engineer degree doesn't become "10+2 only". NO WAY.
5. everywhere and all the time there are who can make it and who cannot. It doesn't even mean that this particular person is hopeless. It just didn't happen to him (sure... if you get ready for 3 years of struggle and give up in 2-4 month, no surprise!)
6. If someone has ANY example of ANYTHING, it doesn't mean this examle can be applied for every person, so please do not generalize.
7. As i understand you also tried this way and also unsuccessfully... well... too bad for you.. really sorry to hear it... I can give you tons of opposite examples.. but it's really wasting of time...
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shreeya said
QS ...Please read my post again, neither I am generalising nor discouraging him. All I have to say is Canada immigration is not a carpet walk. My point here is even a person who is mentally as strong as my friend, just couldn't succeed in his mission Canada.
And you yourself said it....It's not a bad example , it's merely the other side of coin.
And again I insist whatever I am talking about educational degrees is now 1000% correct.....what say ...nonsense again?
And how did you jumped to the conclusion?..funny.... just can't understand...I had never been to Canada...and I never will......
qatarisun said
i knew that you will ask me ...this question...lol.. I did "jumped to the conclusion" intentionally... to hear that you have never been there... so.. since you have never been there, how do you know that "your engineer degree becomes 10+2 only"?? From your friend's words???
ok..it's really WORTHLESS TALK about nothing...
yeah.. and there is no 200% or 1000%. it can be ONLY 100% max.
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shreeya said
QS, ...Well, I never said that I am talking about my experience, it's my friend's experience. And even I can ask you the same question about Canada immigration...since you are not an immigrant how do you probably know what a person goes thru when he comes to canada as an immigrant?
Please....immigrating to Qatar from Canada and immigrating to Canada from India or any other country is a bit different. You are also not aware of many things about immigration to your own country.
And yes....really worthless....even talking.....
shreeya said
And please don't be ...And please don't be childish....you need not do everything firsthand to know about.........as you know people die and they die for sure.....you don't need yourself to die first to know the fact....well I am not talking abt life after death...surely you have to die to get to know abt it.....
nadt said
I'd say Australia(but i am ...I'd say Australia(but i am biased). Australia is very laid back and you can find plenty of work in the IT industry, the tax is the killer there. Which ever one you choose, you will be doing yourself a service, in Q or dubai ,aside from the no tax money(for some) you have no stabitlity, you can be kicked out of the country at anytime for any reason, your life is in the hands of your sponsor. At least Aus or Can you can get permanent residency, which is peace of mind.
ascivil said
Do lots of research ...Do lots of research and go where your instincts lead you.
In my opnion it all depends on what do you want in life. For instance, I am 42 and my priorities aren't immigrating. Also, after being in civil engineering field for last 18 years, I don't have the patience to prepare for another exam in canada or australia or any other country for that matter (I graduated in 1990!)
But do choose wisely. Make sure that you have all information that you need before you make that application for immigration. Cost of living, education, saving potential, career growth (this one's is completely missing here in Middle East
) etc. Once you have all info at hand then you can make an informed decision and even if you do fail, at least you have covered all bases before trying!
Cheers
stan76 said
Thanks a lot everyone... I ...Thanks a lot everyone... I was surprised to see the overwhelming responses.... Thanks a ton for all the valuable advices... There were mixed responses and I could see that its not always a cake walk to canada or australia.... The life would not be as easy as its in the Gulf.. But we cannot deny the fact that we cannot stay in the Gulf permanently.
From all the suggestions here....I could come out with the following conclusions:
Canada :
Merit :
1. More Job Opportunities.... As it is near to the US, we can work there also.
2. Style of Living is good.
Demerits:
1. Its too cold out there.. Below zero degree... Cold Climate makes people dull hearted...
2. Far from india.
3. Tax is there..which is there in all the western countries
Australia:
1. Job Opportunities are there for IT professionals... but may not be as good as US... If u dont find a job there in Australia....u cant go to a neighbouring country like in Canada..
2. Climate is Excellent....
3. Close to India...
I dont know if both these places have some kinda racism....
Yeah from everything I have heard Canada just seems a lot like Australia but with an accent
Oh some say Austrlia have sun and beaches while Canada have ice and snow..................
Maddocks said
From an Australian... ...I live in Melbourne and there are heaps of Indians here, as there are people from all over the world. It is very multicultural. The money may not be as good as the gulf but the lifestyle has its riches. Yes, it is a long way from other countries, but we have it all here - it is so diverse from the green hills of Tasmania to the tropics in Queensland, snow in other regions with the desert in the middle!
stan76 said
Maddocks, how are the ...Maddocks, how are the chances for IT professionals there??