== The MOON SPLIT -- Common even NASA says so

Moon was Splited into Two Pieces by MUHAMMAD {Peace be Upon Him}

You can not Deny that, See the HISTORY.....

See Details

http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/index.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHlJpDFaGvY&feature=related

The Moon SPLIT

Six of the nine planets have satellites (moons) with the maximum of 12 for Jupiter. Since our moon is the nearest heavenly body let us know an important thing about it in the Qur’anic context. God says at the very first verse of Suratul Qamar (moon) in QURAN :

The hour drew near and the moon was split.

Even though moon appears smooth and beautiful to the naked eye telescopic photographs tell us its surface is in fact rugged and full of meteoric and volcanic craters of all sizes. The American Apollo mission of 1967 obtained a couple of remarkable photographs of the hidden side of the moon. They show a strange feature, a 240 km long cleavage 8 km wide. The edges appear to be result of striking with a huge weapon rather than a crack of geological origin. To this day no explanation has been offered. An article appeared in Islamic Voice a decade ago along with the photographs suggesting that the feature is the remnant of splitting of the moon by Prophet (Pbuh).

Authentic hadeeth accounts testify that two years before Hijrat (in 617 CE) in the fullmoon night of Rajab, Abu Jahl et al challenged Prophet (Pbuh) to split the moon in proof of his prophethood. He pointed his finger at the moon and moved it and the moon split in two. It remained so till it set. It was seen in the entire Arab land and elsewhere as far as Syria.

It was also seen by two rulers in India, namely Bhoj of Malwa Kingdom and Zamorin Perumal of Kerala. Both of them investigated the phenomenon and traced it to the promised last ‘avtar’ to be born in Arabia. They identified him with last Messenger (sal), the last prophet of God, got in touch with him and accepted Islam!

Predictably the Meccan challengers rejected the proof they asked for. Continuing with the above verse, God says:

And (even) if they behold a portent (such as this, still) they turn away and say: ‘Prolonged (illusion)!’ (Thus) They denied (the truth)....... ( Qamar: 2,3 ).

Veracity of Shakkul Qamar has been estalblished by authentic hadeeth and God himself has vouched for it in Sura Qamar. Now, verification has arrived through science. Yet, it is painful to note, that a section of muslims preach and write to dismiss one of the greatest of mu’jizas as merely an “illusion due to atmospheric disturbance, even though it persisted for a whole night”. This is precisely as the Meccan mushriks did and exactly as recorded by God in Qur’an. These people should note that their rejection amounts to heresy, imperilling their very Iman . Read again how Allah judges their this action at several instances in Qur’an : “They denied the manifest truth.” In short they must realize that while the Meccan mushriks denied a Prophet, these people of shameful doubt falsify Allah Himself !

See the Video:=====??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FZb-GoaAc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHlJpDFaGvY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsguVS8O7uA&NR=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_of_the_moon

Comments

drugs must've been strong back then.
Common .......... You have Digestion Problem..... TRUTH could not be IGNORED by a Normal PERSON Think Positively
I have read a Lot about that & Now ever Scientist Prove that..... People around the Area in other Countries saw this too in the History it has Been mentioned... History Does not Lie..... After all it is a Miricle of Muhammad peace be upon Him... The LAST PROPHET The Biggest Miricle is QURAN........
Great. First time that I heard of it after having lived all these while. Its not metioned in any of Christianity write up and I wonder why these society is so lacking in knowledge. Someone out there, please write some journal that the sun is split into three.
Copying from websites is NOT what one should do. "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance." William Blake
if it makes you happy good for you, but for others that do not have the same beliefs as you it is nonesense. Neither veiw is right or wrong, it is just faith.
It was also seen by two rulers in India, namely Bhoj of Malwa Kingdom and Zamorin Perumal of Kerala. Both of them investigated the phenomenon and traced it to the promised last ‘avtar’ to be born in Arabia. They identified him with last Messenger (sal), the last prophet of God, They got in touch with him and accepted Islam! It is not a Believe, Millions People SAW it......
It is my Faith and we all believe in....... We don't need scientific evidence to prove my religion!
Just what we need. Another Muslim insecure in his own religion, desperate to try and prove that the Quran is true. Religion is about faith. There's no need to try and prove it.
Again a thread that an average person can and will never understand, better you guys create your own group and post this kind of information there rather than trying to post in the main forum.
Best is, if you are so tempted to read these kind of threads but not yet ready to accept them for reasons explained by yourself, just hush up and move on... No point in suggesting someone to stop or do if you are not ready to stop or do as others want. This is already posted... right
**rolls eyes**
absolute blarney!
Yeah and after viewing those videos i also happened to stumble upon a video that said "proper way to beat your wife" by a mullah. lol Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :) _[]~SMoKE~[]_  
It would be a nice gesture, if you could give links to some authentic websites instead of some blogs. (Also I can tell you that the solar spots was caused last time I sneezed. ) Also there is no king called Zamorin Perumal. The king you are referring to is Cheraman Perumaal who went to Mecca and converted after hearing about the miracle from travellers. but his reign is said to be in the late eightth century. Do your math and decide whether he was there when the prophet was supposedly doing the moon splitting. Zamorins ruled kerala from 14th to 18th century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamorin The Bhoj of Malwa ruled from 1010-1060 A.D http://books.google.ae/books?id=ibLUu6RlvqwC&pg=PA226&lpg=PA226&dq=bhoj+malwa&source=bl&ots=X_Mx4DTIUG&sig=l7zZzD2mQW2_lF_Skdi33q6mAO4&hl=en&ei=Yv0QSqGuL8XPjAe9s4mrBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1 Please dont tell me they all time-travelled to seventh century, watched the moon-splitting and then went back to their respective centuries. There is so much a rational mind can take. If you were trying to give credibility to ur arguments by citing these rulers, sorry to say, you have failed miserably and not only that , have raised a question about promoting faith on false grounds.
and this is what you can find in the nasa website. http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=841 ------------------------------------- Question The American Apollo mission of 1967 obtained a couple of remarkable photographs of the hidden side of the moon. They show a strange feature, a 240 km long cleavage 8 km wide. Can you confirm this and give me more explanations ? Thank you very much for your help! I think you may be misinformed. There was no Apollo mission to the Moon in 1967; the first Apollo flight around the Moon was Apollo 8 in December 1968. While there are lots of interesting geological features on the far side the Moon, I don't know of anything that meets your description of a long cleavage. Most of the lunar farside is ancient terrain similar to the highlands on the side that faces Earth. For a good summary of the discoveries made during the Apollo program, I recommend Stuart Ross Tayler's "Lunar Science: A Post-Apollo View". David Morrison NAI Senior Scientist February 2, 2004 ------------------------------------ Enough said!!
Hahahaha - nice one Winn!
Good job Winn. :D
There could be a Mistake in writing But The REAL story by NASA will not be Revealed as they Know..... People will get to Know the TRUTH about ISLAM....
The TRUTH about ISLAM? you mean that it's a man-made story used to control people?
Why would NASA be hiding anything?
The Biggest Miricle of ISLAM is............ ........QURAN You will know the TRUTHs.....
Wow! A book! I'm reading Harry Potter now, is that a miracle too?
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity - Martin Luther King, Jr.:
After all the moon is made of cheese. I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
The Differanc Between QURAN & othe Books is Quran is not Written by a MAN...... What is the Qur'an? The word 'qur'an' means 'recitation', and the first verse of the Qur'an to be revealed by the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad was a command to 'Read (or recite)! In the name of your Lord…' This directive to a man who, like most people of the time, could neither read nor write, marked the beginning of a new age in human communication, learning, and development. Whereas earlier Scriptures had been written and passed down by elite circles of priests and scribes - usually long after the death of the religion's founder - the preservation of the Qur'an was a community effort from the beginning, and it was completed during the Prophet Muhammad's own lifetime. The Prophet's early followers eagerly memorised and recorded each new revelation as it was revealed; by the time he passed away, thousands had memorised the entire Qur'an by heart. Within two years after the Prophet's death, the first caliph Abu Bakr requested the Prophet's secretary Zayd to collect all existing copies and fragments of the Qur'an in one place, in order to compile a standard edition. This manuscript became the basis for the authorised editions that were distributed to each Muslim province during the rule of 'Uthman, third caliph; remarkably, a few of those early manuscripts have been preserved and can still be viewed in museums today. http://www.wamy.co.uk
YAWN... Gabriel "recited" it, someone still wrote it down. It's still a book, written by a man.
Sorry to tell you this, but if you enter a battle unprepared ... you lose, even if right is on your side Also, understand the people you're addressing ALWAYS check the sources of information. You should have done what Winn just did: check the validity of information, I do the same Good work Winn, nice quote FS. However it applies to ALL humans, including atheists! _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Well technically it was written by a man. Muhammad said stuff and people wrote it down.
in other words, they are a collection of notes; almost like somebody taking down the minutes of a meeting and then transferred onto paper and then made into a book??? I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
You wana Play by WORDs. Think Logically..... You have been getting Dictation from your Teachers & Others for the WHOLE Life.. Dictated by GOD....
you naughty kids. and Nuhy moron you better take your preaching and sit in mosque.
Muhammad Peace be Upon him did not said his WORDS..... He told what ever been told By GABRIEL God Dictated to Gabriel & Gabriel Dictated it to Muhammad peace be upon him\\Simple as that
So getting back to the topic - it seems that, contrary to your cut'n'paste, NASA doesn't actually have any evidence that could possible prove the moon-splitting theory. Is this something you'll feed back websites you got your information from?
"Muhammad Peace be Upon him did not said his WORDS..... He told what ever been told By GABRIEL God Dictated to Gabriel & Gabriel Dictated it to Muhammad peace be upon him\\Simple as that" ... and a man/men wrote it down.
I find your last post offensive _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
The NASA one or the writing one?
_______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
This thread is really funny! "Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.
David Mosa Pidcook (leader on British Muslim Party) said: It was shown in BBC a program where there was a debate between three experts. The discussion was about if the amount of money paid by NASA to send a human to land on the surface of the moon to study the inner structure of the moon was worth it or not?? The American government authorized a budget of $100, 000, 000, 000 (one hundred thousand million dollar) for this project. One of the discoveries of that project was that there is a layer of material that splits the moon into two halves and the only explanation to this discovery that the moon was split at some times in its history and rejoined!!!
man/men wrote the Quran, the moon is and always has been in one piece. Pigs cannot fly and there are no unicorns in the forests or a monster in Loch Ness.
Azam - If NASA gave scientific proof that the moon was split in two, then yes I'd believe it. If they said that there was "a 240 km long cleavage 8 km wide" I wouldn't take that to be proof that the moon was split in to. But as they didn't even say that it seems a bit of a non-issue. From my point of view, the moon was never split in two. I consider that to be a fact.
That sounds interesting ishqia. Please provide the information confirming this.
the_prince: I'll assume that comment was for me. The Quran was written by man. You can argue that it was narrated by god/gabriel/whoever, but it was written down by man. If me being pedantic offends you, then I apologise.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean Azam.
The writing of course. I can write many offensive posts that starts with technically (think biology/evolution) _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
I don't understand why people continue to put up false statements and false "scientific proof" and then get offended when people point out that it's false. If you don't want to hear that what you believe might not be true don't post it on a public forum.
part of Earth's history that the moon separate from the Earth but we are talking about 5 billion years ago and I don't think anyone was around to watch.....
ok, my bad for taking 'written' to mean the same as 'written down by'. I'll be more careful in the future. You're right that I wasn't there to see it written down, but nuhy's comment itself said that muhammeds follower's wrote it down.
IHowever, there are several problems with this story. The main problem is that it contradicts the Quran itself. In various places Muhammad admitted that he could not have or did not have to perform miracles to prove himself. When asked to perform miracles his response was: Glory be to my Lord; am I aught but a mortal messenger? Qur'an 17:93 In another place Muhammad put the following words in the mouth of Allah: And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner. Qur'an 13:7 Muhammad insisted that even though other prophets had miracles, his only miracle is the Quran. So when Muslims claim that Muhammad performed miracles, they are going against the Quran itself. (See the article Muhammad's Miracles?) The other problem with this claim is that such a phenomenon should have been observed not just in Mecca but also all over the world. Many cultures have recorded even eclipses, why there is no mention of such a thing that for sure would have been the most amazing phenomenon? Moiz Amjad, one scholar that answers questions for Understanding-Islam.com site says, “I have not yet come across any historical accounts of other nations, which refer to the incident.” He thinks this is “a sign of the promised hour.” Curiously the same site contradicts itself and claims that in fact a certain king of India observed the splitting of the Moon and he sent his son to Mecca who converted to Islam and upon returning he died in Yemen. This story is of course another fabrication of Muslims. Muslims are fond of fabricating stories to attribute Miracles to their prophet. They do it all the time. One such ridiculous fabrication was the claim that the astronauts who landed on Moon heard the adhan (Muslim call to prayer) being chanted there. There are thousands more. First of all there is no record that any King of India ever visited Muhammad. This is not mentioned in any biography of Muhammad. Secondly the splitting of the Moon should have been observed by everyone all over the world and not just by one king. Where is the record of such a phenomenon? Thirdly, assuming that this Indian king saw splitting of the Moon, how could he interpret this alleged cosmic phenomenon as the sign that there has appeared a new prophet in Mecca? Muslims claim that Indian scriptures contain predictions about the coming of a messenger from Arabia. This is bull. There is no mention of Muhammad in any sacred book of any religion. Many Muslims are convinced that this phenomenon has indeed happened. They are shown these close-up pictures of the Moon taken by NASA as the evidence and as gullible as they naturally are, they believe without any hesitation. These are called Lunar Rilles. Rilles are long and deep gorges resembling canyons. A rille is typically several kilometers wide and hundreds of kilometers in length. Similar formations are found on a number of planets in the solar system, including Mars, Venus, and on a number of moons. See below. How these rilles are formed is still not known with certainty. Theories include erosion at some point in the stellar body's history, collapsed lava tubes, and tectonic activity/stresses. There are three types of rilles on the lunar surface: Sinuous rilles meander in a curved path like a river, and are commonly thought to be the remains of collapsed lava tubes or extinct lava flows. They usually begin at an extinct volcano, then meander and sometimes split as they are followed across the surface. Arcuate rilles have a smooth curve and are found on the edges of the dark lunar maria. They are believed to form when the lava flows that created a mare cools, contracts, and sinks. Straight rilles follow long, linear paths and are believed to be grabens. That is, a section of the crust that has sunk between two parallel faults. These can be readily identified when they pass through craters or mountain ranges. Rilles can be found all over the lunar surface and they do not form a belt and therefore do not in anyway support the claim of Muslims that the Moon had been split asunder. Here are a few pictures that should dismiss this Islamic wishful thinking. To understand how rilles scar the surface of the Moon, we have to take a look at pictures showing the moon from farther up. [edit] References ↑ http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau54.html will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
You are always a gentleman. It was offensive, and apology accepted. NOW, I would say that technically: "written" is way different from "written down by" It's not being pedantic, it's HOW you put it in the context. Do you think that if I tell an atheist that "technically" his is an animal during a hot debate, that would sound pedantic? N.B. 1- English is obviously not my first language. 2- earlier post corrected to address you. 3- You can believe whatever you like, just start it with: "I believe that ...". "Technically", you weren't there to "confirm" that it was written down by a man. _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
I don't mind their attempts. I enjoy proving them wrong. Just don't get offended when I do.
all things in quran and hadeeth are not scientifically proved, but arent there many numerous things which are stated in quran which are indeed proved today, there are things which exist in quran and which are 100% proved, but still many wont believe, why? check out, &feature=PlayList&p=6AF783757C87EE26&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1&v=ZdA07nqqszA&feature=PlayList&p=6AF783757C87EE26&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1"> &feature=PlayList&p=6AF783757C87EE26&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
nuhy its very sad to say such topics y u want to put out ...cmon yaar people are making fun of Quraan & Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) .........if u r doing the dawah work its different but getting into arguments or getting stupid answer on QL is not a good dicscussion.....U need not prove Islam for idiots who cant understand
So just to summarize... There is no evidence (in the scientific sense) that the moon was ever split in to. NASA has never said such a thing. NASA have taken photos of, and studied, the Rima Ariadaeus, which is a 300km long linear rille on the far side of the moon. It is believed to have been formed when a section of the Moon's crust sank down between two parallel fault lines (making it a graben or fault trough). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rima_Ariadaeus Given that the entire circumfrence of the moon is over 10,000km, and this rift is just 300km, I fail to see how it is undisputable evidence that the moon was split in half. Surely if that was the case, visible evidence would exist on the visible side of the moon as well?
I never said you were offended Azam, I was just commenting in general.
When one of your pupils does not understand something, do you call them idiots? We are not idiots because we dont understand Islam. Would I call you an idiot because you do not understand what it means to be a Catholic? No I would not. Nobody has joked anout Islam or Muslims. This person posted a 'miricle' story, in fact he went as far as to say...even NASA proved it. Well NASA did not prove it and furthermore, we have given him some other proof that it could not have happened. So please forgive us (idiots) if yet again we dont'agree with yet another claim. Also insulting people just because we don't understand something makes you look the fool not us. I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
its just i said idi____ n nothing much. then wat do u have to say to those who are simply talking nonsence abt islam n v happily participating in the same arguments wen its wrong to argue. I hv often seen people using censor and filthy words on QL. All i want to say is dont post such topics tat can make muslims get hurt or even irritated n may be even angry .........as i really cant take things against islam
Azam, as you can see snowwhite would be a prime example of what I was talking about.
Then perhaps Muslims (and other religions) need to stop posting things that can be torn to shreds. Not many people can take insults about something that is precious to them. Calling people idiots could be seen as just insulting ;-) I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
snowwhite - no-one's talking nonsense about Islam. We're discussing the claim that was posted, which it turns out is false.
well i am not insulting any one here .........i am calling it straight tat posting topics n people with no or little knowledge abt it discussing it in a way putting down the respect of the same is also insulting.................i hope u got my point
I came across these definitions in google. There's no relation for its accuracy but for our contibution as part of the topics in this thread :- "Quote... The study of the origins and development of the Qur’an can be said to fall into two major schools of thought, the first being a traditionalist view and the later being a non-traditionalist view.[citation needed] The traditionalist view, which relies on the early Islamic literature as authentic or reliable, ascribes to the view that the Qur'an began with Muhammad's claims of divine revelations in 610 AD. Most of these revelations were either memorised or obscurely written down during the lifetime of Muhammad. These revelations were subsequently collected and were standardised in today's version by the caliph Uthman c. 653/654 AD. The text was later given vowel pointing and punctuation in the seventh and eighth centuries.[1] The non-traditionalist view covers a variety of schools of thought generally anathematised by Muslim academia[2]. Their view generally treats the early Muslim traditions, which arose over a century post-hoc[3], with scepticism and evaluates the claim of the Qur'an as a text on the basis of higher critical analysis, independent evidence and source hypotheses.....Unquote"
actually I don't get your point. Sorry. I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Very well put. I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Dear Muslims: Why ever defend a false proof? IF it is false, then it is! I've seen a case of some Arab atheists planning to forge a false proof of Islam, distribute it, and then later attacking how "ignorant Muslims" use false evidence. Dear non-Muslims: Try to be as objective as Winn is, or just ignore the post. All: Pls, respect each others' believes, as it is NEVER a funny subject. We want to understand your point of view, just don't mock others beliefs. It never helps. It makes things worse. As a Muslim, I get all these kind of false emails. I do my homework to see whether it is true or false, but my belief remains intact because it is independent on them. ______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
school, we were taught that if something is 'split in two' then it will be in two pieces. If you look at the moon, its all in one piece, so its not 'split in two'....It just has a deep gorge,chasm,groove etc, or whatever yer wanna call this thing. --------------------------------------------------------- I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
Well der Mr Paul. First the moon was split in two. Then it was put back together. This is the difference between, say, Catholic and Muslim miracles. When someone claims that a Catholic performs a miracle, the vatican will investigate the claim and seek some sort of indisputable proof. Like curing a blind person, as an example. Muslims just believe without questioning.
Popcorngirl: Please don't generalize, not all muslims are fond of distorcing facts to attribute them to Mohammed (pbuh), normally it's the scholars that fill up my muslim brothers/sisters heads with false concepts and events so that they don't need to think. As a muslim, it offends me that some people decrease Allah's knowledge by accepting that His wizdom would be so litle that could be contained in a small amount of books. Allah created us as racional beings for a reason, if He wanted us to follow him blindly without questioning Him, he wouldn't need us to be racional, we would be like the other live beings, inteligents but not racionals Ayman Only God Can Judge Me الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
If you notice, I did not write what I had put.It is as said in the subject box. 'from wik'. I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
If you've noticed, although I'm a Muslim, I said to nuhy what should be said. It's your turn to tell fubar what has to be said, because he seems to be starting a "Catholic is better that Islam" argument _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
No religion is better than one. We are all from god. We should respect each other. Could tell some horror stories about Catholics. I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Guess what: I had a very negative impression towards Catholicism, but then told my self not to generalize. Now, after talking to you, I know that there are good Catholic people as well. Ignoring fubar comment. However, paul was being objective and to the point. _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Damn are we again in the business of Serious Debates.. Yella... Thing is guyz.. Religion has more to do with Faith and less with Logic... The text of Scriptures of your respective religion shall mean a world to you... But to others.. it ll be jus text which shall be dissected with logical tools... No use... You would see the emotional side of it... the true essence.. the sweet nector.... Other sees plain facts.. and judge with help of known scientific data.... WINN Awesome Research.... hats off to you... And Islam really is not dependent ("Mohtaj" as said in sub continent) of Miracles... so why worry... ___________________________________________ Reality is a Illusion Caused Due to Deficiency of Alcohol
We can all be accused of that. At least you are honest enough to admit it. xxx I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
Sorry popcorn, didn't read the 1st line where you state that information is from wikipedia :) Ayman Only God Can Judge Me الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
No worries and thanks for the apology xx I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
good.
Popcorn: Np, i'm used to admit when i'm wrong :) Ayman Only God Can Judge Me الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Come on tallg he has it from two sources, geocities & youtube. What other proof do you need? I can probably add it to wikipedia real quick so you know it is true. ;-) ****************************************** What difference does it make to the dead whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or democracy? -Gandhi ******************************************
well that makes you a good person then x I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
I don't know if this person has posted something like this before. So can't say if he causes 'trouble' or not. To give them the benefit of the doubt he may believe it and so be it. The trouble now with all these 'religious claims; is that science has moved on so much and with the internet and therefore a sharing of knowledge people don't believe as easily as we used too. Take the Shroud of Turin. My mother has always believed in it. Even when, I think 20 years ago it was 'proven' not to be real. I have read somewhere recently through DNA and other scientific research they now think it is real. Interesting to see how that turns out. In my limited understanding people cling to ideaology and try and make it true. It's not a problem at all to most people it makes for cracking debate. However, if you post something like that especially on here you have to accept that somewhere down the line the proverbial shit will hit that fan. I was amused by it really. Not in a 'lets get at Muslims', it seemed to far out for me. Especially as reading about the splitting of the moon; it was all about Mohammed PBUH, being in a secluded spot with a few people and pointing at the moon with his finger and drawing a 'mythical/magical' line on it. Although 'allegedly' the night was a cloudy one. So the Moon not that clear. The people there truly believed he had split the moon. As it was, they saw the half moon as we all know now one half is black (night) the other light (day). These people who trusted and believed were not stupid people they were in awe of a great person. I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
lol.. how did u get that idea popcorn girl... well according to islamic history.. it was a full moon night , and it was split in two by Allah when people asked prophet to show some miracle as a proof of his prophecy, and it was clearly split in two and just by a small distance but it went as far that people could see a mountain inbetween, and it stayed like that for some time, and then it went back together, people who saw it said that this was nothing but magic, so some one wise from them said , if this was magic then magic will be only on people who were present then , so lets wait for the travellers.. if this actually happened then it will be seen by the travellers, when the travellers came they affirmed that they saw the moon split, after this many people believed , and many people didnt .. the science may not have proved this fact yet, but for a muslim it is a fact, n another of your long post you said that muslim are contradicting the quran by saying prophet performed the miracles, though we say prophet performed a miracle , what we mean is that it was performed through him by Allah , and he could not do anything of his own, even when we say jesus performed miracles , we mean that it was done through his by Allah, and he himself did not have any such powers, and to this fact all prophets say the same that they are mortal human beings who have no power of their own and whatevr extra ordinary things they performed were by the will of Allah, he is the only one god and prophet muhammed is his last messenger
We muslims believe that there is only one god, and that this is our temporary life , in which god is testing us, and that after our death we have to face god and either one will go to heaven or hell , and in this life we have to believe in Allah and do righteous deeds, apart from this we also have the responsibility of dawah , that is to call others to islam and atleast inform them about our religion, when a muslim comes about telling people about islam, and not just keeping with his belief , he is just doing his duty, we cannot make anyone believe, if u want u accept , if u deny then go ur way, there is no forcing in islam, islam is peace. our duty is only to convey the message , if one is sincere in finding the truth , he will find it. any ways there will come one day , we will all know what is the truth, and that is the day or our death, and at that moment you will have no choice ,
PM: Since i came to QL and met you, amoud and some other racional muslims that i leurned that Islam also asks us to reason about what we don't know and not just to follow it blindly, once again, thanks for that article. Popcorn: wise words, :) God/Allah tought us the basics, than left up to us to devellope knowledge, so he created us able to reason using the clues he left written to us. :) Ayman Only God Can Judge Me الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Glad you are secure in what you believe. I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!
hmm.. The splitting on Moon... If Believed by Muslims... be it.. Must have happened... Even they wouldn't have believed if this was mentioned in a Holy Scripture of some other religion... And the Scientific proof of NASA... It is still a Big Controversy whether America had actually landed on Moon or was it a fake video made at Area 51.... Don believe me ... look at the link below n see.... &v=3TWiJQhaajA"> As PCG said.. what Science proves today.. shall abandon it tomorrow and shall accept it again later.... Logic is too lame to win Faith and trust of a person.... Trust me.. Until you really feel connected.. things wont enter inside your consciousness... It is not that one you believe gives something out of the blue.... Look closely.. it is something you always knew... but you accept it .. and it enters deep down... when it is from a person whom you trust... Beyond logic and beyond what people think... ___________________________________________ Reality is a Illusion Caused Due to Deficiency of Alcohol
Really, there is no need for all this commotion. If you think you NEED a reason to believe, look within. You wont find that reason outside you, least of all in science. Faith is a matter of heart. Why tax your brains, when you know its an exercise in futility? and for those who are upset that NASA doesnt prove their point of view, why do you need an evil machinery from the 'big bad west' to prove your God's word? If you had faith, you wouldnt have been looking for proof in the first place. Let the very fact that it has been said in your Holy Quran be your proof! BUT, Please do not insist that someone who doesnt believe in Quran should also accept it as a proof! As I always say, TO EACH, HIS OWN!
Gypsy: Harry potter is indeed a miracle. No one has been able to write a book like that ever since it was written. No one will be able to no matter how much they try. Also, not a word has been changed from its first edition onwards. Do you need any further proof to accept it as a miracle? :-p
Nope. I belong to the Church of Harry Potter. :D
Winn - Harry Potter was truly Awesome... You see after couple of centuries it shall be treated as a Mythology .. very much like of Rome, Greek and Indian ones... ___________________________________________ Reality is a Illusion Caused Due to Deficiency of Alcohol
I thought you belong to the "Marks Synagogue" _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
the_prince - You who???? ___________________________________________ Reality is a Illusion Caused Due to Deficiency of Alcohol
What's the Marks Synagogue?
Sorry, I meant Marx you know, this communist guy with a beard :) _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
So, let me write it again correctly this time: I thought you belong to the "Marx Synagogue" _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Ah so I'm a Communist Jew? :S
No, I know you aren't , I tried to choose the closest I could find. Well, It could be Harry Potter Church as well, you know better :) _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
I don't think there's a church for Facist Liberals. :P
Or how about: "Marx Church"? sounds better? _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Then, create one! You'll be the high priest or so. Smoke DID create his own, so why don't you? _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
C'mon, who's ever seen a Ginger kid with 2 friends ? --------------------------------------------------------- I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
I have, it's called Gypsyism. :) I am the High Priestess.
Mabrook, Well, I guess now you should start reading the Quran, hadith, and about Islam (in order to attack it of course) :p _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Why. My religion doesn't attack other religions. Everyone is welcome to worship as they please and anyone who tries to stop them from doing so will be shot on sight.
"shot on sight"?! You'll be merely creating martyrs ... plus more hatred. I think jail is better. _______________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Azam: "But keep posting the stuff like this for us to tax our minds answering you, right winn? " stuff like what? Facts that I posted earlier against this completely incompetent hoax of a propoganda, so riddled with holes that a simple google search can expose it? You come up with such ridiculous stories and expect people to swallow it jus like that? Btw, if it taxes your mind, good for you! :-) As for how I have been fairing here, been here for over a year and been good. "the poster has not started a quarrel between you and muslims here."- Who said I was quarelling here? and when did posting simple facts with proper references become 'quarrel' to you?
We'll shoot the people who think they're martyrs too.
--------------------------------------------------------- I think you have me confused with someone who gives a sh1t.
And more in line with the Facist aspect of my facist liberalism.
Reading your posts, I'm sure are capable enough to dig out the truth yourself. Just visit the Islamic and anti-Islamic site ... to get a balanced view. If you decided to do that, then best of luck in your journey! _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
... plus those who are against "shooting the people who think they're martyrs" ... and so on! That reminds me of Bush's way of "spreading democracy" ... killing about 1 million Iraqis in his way, what a genius he was! :D Would you kindly to accept him? pleeeeeeeeeeeeease! :) _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
We would consider all the shooting a form of population control. :P
sorry, i misread someone else's comment
:) _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Removed, because of your removal :D _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
LOL, Azam, I wasnt upset, I was trying to pacify people who seemed to be upset and indignant. Prince: I have been given the links of umpteen Islamic sites by various people who wanted to win me over to their faith. Problem is that when I go back to them and ask why something is said in a particular way, all I get is 'just so' type of answers to simple logical questions. I mean, if I wanted a 'just-coz-its-written-in-the-book' answer, I'd rather read fairy tales. As for anti-islamic sites, do tell me if you know any that give a balanced view. I would defenitely go through (in my own time) and get back to you.
Who am I trying to stop from worshipping? All I'm doing is correcting someone's factual information on a public forum.
Azam - none of us are trying to stop people from worshipping. All that's happened on this thread is that we've pointed out that the information about NASA was false, and we've discussed the issue of Muslims constantly trying to prove things about their religion. Just because people question and debate things doesn't mean they want you to stop worshipping.
"That reminds me of Bush's way of "spreading democracy" ... killing about 1 million Iraqis in his way, what a genius he was! :D Would you kindly to accept him? pleeeeeeeeeeeeease! :)" Prince: Guess you are joking, if you aren't than remember the millions of Iraquis killed by Saddam. Ayman Only God Can Judge Me الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Well, even his own mother thought he was the dumbest among her children! Regarding causalities of The Iraq War: http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_casualties_of_the_Iraq_War And all that in just a few years, compared to Saddam long era. Moreover, during Saddam's era, people were executed for bribery, but thanks to Bush, this is how corruption is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8055776.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7444083.stm Told you he's a genius !! _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
lol Prince :) Dubya is really "smart" :D Ayman Only God Can Judge Me الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Dubya! LOL From now on, I'll be using Dubya instead of Bush for less confusion _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Lol Prince :) Ayman Only God Can Judge Me الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !! U R SO HIGH :)
Ha! Another argument about religion... presenting "FACTS" to prove it to be correct, but once questioned and presented with "REAL FACTS", they then become hostile. Winn...that would be the BEST ANSWER that i've read so far. 2 kings SAW that the moon was split by the prophet thru TIME TRAVEL...or they just HEARD from other people, so as the person who wrote the book? Just like the creation of human race from one person, doesn't prove ANY REASONING or whatsoever...it's believed because "IT WAS WRITTEN". What if i told you i was sent by God to tell everyone that Religion is nothing but politics...would you believe me? If not, why believe the person whom you never met, and was only portrayed in books? If you present a fact to support your claim of a miracle, make sure it comes from a credible source, not from YOUTUBE or GEOCITIES...use EBAY! It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
coelacanth - I liked your post till half of it.... The moment you started with "If I was sent by God thing".... Things were not very much digestible for me... May b coz I am not a atheist.... But with faith and trust... it is not seeing is believing... Of course it helps but till it is the intellectual game... With emotions and stuff when heart is involved... no rules are followed.... Really How many of us go for a DNA test to Believe the person we call father is our father..... ___________________________________________ Reality is a Illusion Caused Due to Deficiency of Alcohol
Eagle_of_Heaven - Let the signature be at the end of the post.... When I saw it for the first time... I was actually thinking... Is it a deep thought or is he on a wrong thread????? ___________________________________________ Reality is a Illusion Caused Due to Deficiency of Alcohol
Azam - Man you think a lot.... Give yourself a break... you deserve it... ___________________________________________ Reality is a Illusion Caused Due to Deficiency of Alcohol
ashwin...you believed that a man was sent by God because it was written...what was hard to believe that i "might be" one of them? and for the record...i am not an atheist, but a DEIST...a believer on the existence of God, but not of the religion presented by men. Besides, there was NONE written on ANY religious books that the prophets presented a NEW RELIGION. They presented a teaching and a way of life, and the followers decided to create a POLITICAL STAND on faith. The only thing that the prophets teach is BELIEVE IN GOD and do not do unto others what you don't want others do unto you. They never mentioned anything about Christianity or Islam (i'm talking about the religion, and not the meaning of Islam). From your religious stand point, you create division among yourselves. Christians divided among christians because the INTERPRET the book differently, same applies to Muslim, where there was division. I don't think GOD wants division among believers, or does he? Then why can't you just scrap your political stand on your so-called "belief" and start believing in God, and not in the prophet and the religion created by their followers? It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
you said:"Christians divided among christians because the INTERPRET the book differently, same applies to Muslim" But you see, this is again human nature,it even applies to Deists as well: "The concept of deism covers a wide variety of positions on a wide variety of religious issues" "Individual deists varied in the set of critical and constructive elements for which they argued" Both quoted from Wikipedia (oh, I LOVE this site) _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
the_prince...i believe you have a very poor understanding of Deism. Deism doesn't have a dogma, nor a book to follow and base our salvation. We do not base our belief on a man born hundred of decades back to decide what our eternity would be. That is called REASONING, and every Deist reason for everything, that's why we argue. We are not divided in belief that there is only ONE GOD and disbelief in Religion made by man. That is our common ground. you can ask any Deist you know if the two i mentioned earlier differs with them. Whereas Christians and Muslims only share one book, but they differ in their interpretaion of the book. The Muslims who are doing the suicide bombing has another interpretation of the SAME book as the people who promotes Islam as peace. The christians are divided into different belief, where you can see Catholics who believe that Jesus is God, Born Again christians who are again divided to different areas, where you can see a trinitarian, full gospel, etc...etc... It is human nature to reason out...and the thought that among your denomination you reason out and creates division, i don't think it's what God planned for us. Research more about Deism. It's simple as it may seem. Believe that there is ONLY ONE GOD, and he did not send ANYONE to proclaim his RELIGION, neither are the prophets (Jesus and Mohamad) claiming that they were sent by GOD TO CREATE RELIGION...they were sent to BECOME EXAMPLES in FAITH and Belief. If anyone can point to your book with the prophets saying they were sent to create a RELIGION, i would be more than interested. True essence of religion is of God, not the prophet. You will kill for your prophet, but not for God. You hear everyone speaking of God's name in VAIN, but you do nothing. You hear someone using the prophet's name in VAIN, you go berserk. Is your religion FOR GOD or FOR THE PROPHET? It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
in islam ,wen God ask us to believe in him, he also asks us to believe in his prophets, his books , his angels, and the day of judgement, by prophet it means not only in them but also their teachings, by book it means the message contained in them which is the word of god, so if you believe in god , you have to believe in what he asks you to believe, why we believe in prophet muhammed, there are several reasons, we r not just blindly believing , if god wanted us to blindly believe , he woudnt given us the capability of reasoning, firstly , our prophet attained prophecy at the age of 40 , so his life until he reached 40 is a reason to believe in him, secondly, who were the first people to believe in him?, his wife, his best friend, his adopted son, etc these were the people who knew him well, and readily believed in him when he said this is a message from god, now dont tell , this was a group effort for misleading people, because no person would go against an existing community, and take all the hardships which our prophet and his followers had to take just for a lie, thirdly, he didnt bring something completely new, he confirmed the message of previous prophets , the previous books, dont tell me that , he copied, because he was an illiterate and had never read a book b4 he was asked to read by angel gibreel(gabrial), he didnt know to read or write, the above reasons are sufficient for me, ------------------------------------------------------- i want to learn until i die, if u have some knowledge then share with me. -------------------------------------------------------
Now JUST HOLD ON HERE: Suicide bombing?! You mean those people whose land is occupied, facing daily horror and discrimination, being murdered, living under siege for YEARS?! Those who have thousands of their citizens as prisoners, while the whole world is concerned about Israel's single prisoner (a soldier!) ? Do you actually believe media? that they are terrorists? I would rather call them disparate. How dare you say that they don't believe in peace?! _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
The_prince, is their usual method of attack strapping bombs to themselves and killing themselves and others?
No, they usually use rocks, or some primitive rockets that if lucky would injure someone ... those bad terrorists. But the one you've mentioned seems to affect more ... IMHO I can't find a more precise example of desperation than a suicide bomber. Frankly, what have they more to lose? Would you live humiliated, or die like a free man ... umm .. woman, causing the offender to reconsider? _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
The world's youngest terrorist: http://vb.alsultaan.com/181947.html (scroll down) If you google it however, you'll find another 15 years old boy. I call this media manipulation. _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
. . ... lets see this matter this way: Moon split in half is not just a matter of phenomenon that needs scientific evidances or witnesses. It concern on someone's faith and believe. If someone decides to believe it base on his faith or believe or not to believe base on certain things, at the end, no one will gets hurt because of it. There are many things in this world that actually do not need to be proven (Moses and the Red Sea Crossing; Death and resurrection of Jesus; )but actually people has already believe it happen or exist. . .
I'm simply arguing terminology, not the politics, I'm a stickler for the proper terminology. If they commit suicide in the act of taking out their enemies it's a sucide bombing, plane crash, what have you, and those are called terror tactics or terrorism. The Americans used it during the Revolution, the Japanese in WWII and the Vietnamese during the Vietnam war, Castro & Guevera in Cuba, plus countless others. It's a pretty commonplace tactic actually, especially during guerilla warfare, which, while not 100% accurate, is the closest description we have of the Israel/Palestine conflict.
ishquia...If GOD sent a messenger to people during his time, why wouldn't God send another messenger in our time? Is it because it was written that he is the last one? And believeing in SOMEONE whom he claims he is, is the same as being BLIND. Will you invest all your money on somebody claiming that he was a messenger of God and you need to give all your belongings to that messenger? What i am asking is, you have heard a lot of people USING GOD's NAME IN VAIN, is there any reaction from you? You HEARD ONE PERSON SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPHET's NAME IN VAIN, ALL WENT BERSERK FOR THAT PERSON. Tell me, am i BLIND in recognizing this? the_prince...is it only about Israel? What about Iraq? Afghanistan? Is OSAMA bin Laden a Terrorist? For the Talibans, OSAMA is acting according to the teachings of your book, but your SCHOLARS are condemning it. Do they have the same book as you do? Tell me now that it's all about media... BROADEN your HORIZON, Israel is not an issue, but those doing an ACT of Terrorism, using your book as a HOLY EXCUSE. It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
Broaden my horizon? ... no comment, now to the facts: Regarding causalities of The Iraq War (against terrorism of cousrs): http://www.justforei... http://en.wikipedia.... Afganistan: Bin Laden was the make of CIA, they used him against USSR then dumped him and used him again as an execuse "Israel is not an issue". Pls refer to my last two posts here. BTW, when did the word terrorism started to become common? after 9/11. I guess suddenly discovered. terrorism is: a name that the attacker calls the resistance of his victim ... IMHO: Israel vs Palestinian resistance UK vs Irish Liberation Army US vs Afganistan US vs Iraq Russia vs Chehen. And now Sri Lanka and Tamil Tigers All of the attackers above called the resistance : terrorism _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Not true The-Prince, as I said Terrorism has been used for a lot longer then that, and you forgot some other ones: US vs. UK (American Revolution) Cuba vs. Cuba France vs. France UK vs. UK US vs. Vietnam China vs. Japan Korea vs. Japan China vs. China I could go on and on and on and on. The definition of terrorism is not new, as I said, specifically it refers to a set of tactics, used both by resistance or guerilla fighters AND government military. The term terrorist is much more subjective and refers to individuals, ie: suicide bombers, because they used terror tactics. This is not a word invented by the US it's not even a particularly bad word, it just refers to a tactic.
in islam, when u believe in word of god, u believe in every word, and it is clear from quran that prophet muhammed is the seal of the prophet and that there will be no more prophets,so now if any person come claiming he is a prophet we will not believe, we only believe that prophet jesus will come back, and we also know the situation in which he will come, so there is not going to be any confusion with regards to it.. none of our prophets never took money from any one, and if anyone gave them money they always spent it on the way of Allah, our prophet muhammed himself led a very very simple life, he hated the luxuries of this life, he lived all his life poor and died also poor, its not that he cdnt be rich, but that he never wanted to be, the prophets had to endure difficulties to spread the word of Allah, and had to face many hardships, and they did all this on command of Allah , expecting a reward in hereafter, ------------------------------------------------------- i want to learn until i die, if u have some knowledge then share with me. -------------------------------------------------------
But I would still say that the term spread allover the world after 9/11 from Wikipedia: "The term "terror" is largely used to indicate clandestine, low-intensity violence that targets civilians and generates public fear" Using this definition, then it is 1- Israel, US, UK, Russia targetd civilians: and so, they're the worlds' biggest terrorists. 2- Capturing Israeli soldier Shalit wouldn't be counted as terrorism. 3- Chechen didn't (as far as I know) target civilians, so they're not terrorists. 4- "Most" suicide bombers target military sites, well, not terrorists as well. More from wikipedia: "there is no internationally agreed upon definition of terrorism" And that's why my previous post still stands: terrorism nowadays is: a name that the attacker calls the resistance of his victim ... IMHO CU :D _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Well I think before 9/11 terrorism was seen as a tactic used by guerilla groups. Gureilla groups, like government military used terror tactics as part of it's general arsenal, so yes I would agree with for: 1 & 2, however I'm pretty sure Chechen's did target civilians, and in regards to number 4 I didn't realize coffee shops were considered military sites. :P The post 9/11 thing is that there are no groups that souly work in terrorism, not just terrorism as one tactic amongst dozens. Al Qaeda for example is purely a terrorist organization.
1 & 2 we both agree to 3- link please? 4- the first word was: "Most", we need to get a percentage of what was and what wasn't civilian, which I can't provide, can you? :P I will go on a 'QL addiction' therapy (true!), that's y I say: CU :D _______________________________________________ "The larger grows the island of my knowledge, the longer stretch the shores of my ignorance."
Prince: I do understand your point about desperate individuals being driven to acts of violence and being branded as terrorists. But, the issue is, blowing themselves up in public places (or wherever else) is not gonna help them get anything (peace or homeland). Not in another thousand years. if anything, it will only give their oppressors more reasons for escalation.(as if they need any) How many of the palestinian (political)groups do you think, sincerely want this conflict to end and live peacefully? The conflict is what fuels their cause and existence. Unless their Arab brethren show some unity amongst themselves, unless the palestinians bring about amongst themselves what they ask from the world, nothing's gonna change. Face the harsh reality- nobody really cares except for their own mileage, its upto the ones involved to straighten out. and I guess its better that way, coz the sense of entitlement that has arose out of a precedence of international interventions has only suppressed a much needed introspection amongst themselves.
Oh bugger, you're not actually going to make me do research are you?

Pages