"Ningas Kugon"

This is one of the many negative character in Filipino Culture.

Most of them are very good at starting up new things or activities... but the faster they had jumped on it, the same quickness they will fade away on pursuing it.

"Ningas Kugon" - Like a bush fire, it quickly burns up at a spark of lightning(ideas) and will soon quickly burnt away. The same act of burning also rapidly spread to others and will keep on reapeating the same sorry act. In the end, no outcome is produced except the ashes of each individual follies.

How do we solve and remove this from our culture?

Comments

Filex group! Aim I right, Mister? Other nationalities don't know this thing! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
please be aware, i am not a filex member. i cannot post on your group. i am talking to all Filipinos who frequent here which i don't think all are Filex members. Maybe other nationals can also put insights, if its of great help please do so :)
by all means, you can!!!!! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
""Most of them are very good at starting up new things or activities... but the faster they had jumped on it, the same quickness they will fade away on pursuing it."" You wrote Most of them that means you being a Filipino is not one of "them".Well,good for you coz you are truly one of a kind .A person who finishes what he statred. Proud to be yourself.
you maybe accommodated in the group! But that is not for me to decide, there are administrators of the group! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
I think this trait that you've mentioned would be applicable to some folks back home who lives in the rural areas where life is easier to come by, if you know what I mean. At the present times (recession), this trait doesn't exist anymore... I do wonder why you brought this one up...you might be stirring something?
and you'll understand (?) this guy! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
read nep's"tawag ng laman"too. No wonder why he is up into this topic.
to emphasize something...or share some thoughts. We could all discuss this in a different perspective and let us not try to antogonize the OP and instead discuss the topic at hand. It is a good topic...but I hope as the OP, he would be able to stand his ground on this matter.
When it comes to standing up for my RACE :P
need to do some errands, be back this afternoon :) just keep your ideas comming guys :)
Not EVERY FILIPINO has this trait...though a lot of Filipinos ALWAYS associate this trait to themselves, such as yourself. How to remove this from YOUR culture? STOP thinking that these exist, and focus on looking at WHAT YOU CAN DO. If you dwell on what WAS told that you are, YOU WILL BECOME that person. Call you're child STUPID Everyday and i will guarantee you that your child will BECOME stupid eventually. If you negate it's existence, then you won't become of it. Another example...FILIPINO TIME...NOT ALL Filipinos follow the "FILIPINO TIME", where we tend to be ALWAYS LATE. I always think of Filipino Time is ON TIME, just as the ADS from our local media which promotes POSITIVE thinking with FILIPINOS. Your forum doesn't apply to Filipinos alone, as this traits are among everyone else. It's not with the culture, but with the person. One Rotten Tomato doesn't make All tomatoes in the bunch rotten. It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
this discussion is just a follow-up of his "views". I don't mind discussing it again but I am wary about his objectives! Also, even this characteristic is known only to ours so my suggestion to discuss it under our group! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
wherein this infamous Filipino trait still exist? if it wouldn't be too much of a bother to ask you, of course. As I said, you need to stand your ground on this one. Hmmmm...running for an errand? a likely story..don't you agree, Dmigty?
of those traits FILIPINOS are known for... I think it's in this thread, don't you agree?
and he already S..T stirring the group many times. You know me, Azi, I am for "intelligent" and "subjective" discussions (?). Hehehehehehehe!!!!! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
And I'm not doing a "ningas kugon" about this too...lol Anyways, Is HARIBON related to Alecscotland?
changed for the better (in discussions). "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
discuss this is the main forum? how about how to improve our economy first, so we wouldnt see any of our fellowman working as housemaid, it pains me so much whenever we eat out, see my fellowman on another table without food while the masters is in on another table having a feast, it's beyond inhuman.
precisely the reason I seldom eat in other restaurant except known Filipino restaurant here in Doha. Everyone is eating at the same time as the "masters". Lol!!!! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
thank you, regret that we seldom eat in any filipino restaurant here.
mariglod and the likes, hehehe!!! resurrect in different form....ignore this guy pls...as what dmighty and nur said, he does this to stir things up and eventhough and im one too, not a filex member, just to set up things which is not good for all of us...why do this people or as the username implies, an animal of a kind, so happy to have discussions which shows bad traits of his ancestrals...how sad!!!
this topic by hariibon has something to do with the PE thread by nur. he thinks that nur's initiative is just "ningas kugon". unfortunately he didn't get enough support from our kabayans. i feel that he lost that argument and this is his way of getting back at us. hariibon you are so PIKON! grow up!
though not done with my errands I still have time to go back to this sh*t stirring thread.My bedroom is a mess and I already started cleaning it but I guess being a Filipino with a ningas kugon trai ,I won't be able to do the cleaning and end up with my hubby doing it. Are you guys like me? Can we just hi-jack this thread ?
so, who's gonna clean the toilet????????? Any volunteer??????????? "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
this morning.That is his duty every Saturday. Be right back.Need to load some laundry .It's a busy Saturday for me. DMS,wala munang good!!!!!!!!!
.yuck, toilet-cleaning? where's yaya..... . . . . . .that's all...... .
him again? just a thought, have he done anything or contributed something (even to groups here or in phili) for him to say such things about filipinos (eventhough majority knows it already)? or is he like others who works with their mouth alone and keep their hands clean in their pocket so it'll not be in dirt (working). isn't he also portraying a negative attitude of some pinoys who only best in criticizing but if they where ask for their contribution to help out, they're the first to object or find reason not to? what's the use of too much blabbering, wherein oneself is not even involved in such activities promoting improvements and the likes. men, isn't it tiring to count people's mistakes? why not give your share/do your part then later if you're unsatisfied, then in my pov that's the time you have the right to criticize, but unless only words comes out to you... you s-u-c-k! and most of all you're one of those pinoys that makes our culture even worst! giving your share a piece of criticism that you think you deserved but not giving a hand to help out... dude for me you're nothing but TRAPO, a garbage in pinoy's society! ^_^ not in the person, but the attitude...
let the dog out, i mean the bird out!!!
to find any positive response here to the topic's question... what does that imply?
just keep on barking guys :P your very own words reflects your own way of thinking :) keep them coming and you'll soon be able to paint a general picture of what Filipinos really are :( The issue is brought forward to be dealt with, but instead of responding affirmatively, most of you focuses more on bashing a person who open up the issue... is that what We Filipinos are really good at?
---""your very own words reflects your own way of thinking""" I think this is not 100% true . . there is always two sides of a coin . . . " In my opinion only. . . nothing personal"
as i said, let's focus ON THE TOPIC at hand. By the way, Haribon...we don't want those links about the government. We're not politicians here. why not cite examples about your topic out of the norms. If you can't stand your ground and be able to justify your intentions in posting this topic...well, you're just digging your own grave and demoting yourself to a TROLL.
LOL... isn't always "Ningas Kugon" the reason why activities fail to accomplish? it's because stupid people happens to be selfish and unsupportive that such activities failed. but if one such succeeded, these kind of people are the first to get the benefit of its fruit. that's why they're called s-u-c-k-e-r-s, eating out the fruits of other people's hard work, more like parasites of their own society. ^_^ i'm no dog to bark, btw, but if i could i would not just bark, i'll bite!
ms. azi, as ive said, that trait mentioned isn't always the reason for failure, for such activities to be successful all or atleast majority would be there to support. it'll only be minimized if pinoys have their hands free to work and help out and their mouths controlled, but to no avail, it's better for them to let their mouth work that's why even an idea for improvement, they can't even share and because they talk too loud that other's suggestion often not heard. you know, a fire starts in a small flame, but it needs air and fuel to make it useful, but putting air too much, will ended up in a wildfire. so too much talk and less work will only result to devastation, what more of a failure? ^_^
"you know, a fire starts in a small flame, but it needs air and fuel to make it useful, but putting air too much, will ended up in a wildfire. so too much talk and less work will only result to devastation, what more of a failure?" keep on going, were really getting much sense now :)
"I think this is not 100% true . . there is always two sides of a coin . . ." that is something of an statement, with some sense. very intriguing... care to expound more?
"it's because stupid people happens to be selfish and unsupportive that such activities failed, but if one such succeeded, these kind of people are the first to get the benefit of its fruit." ... now we're getting somewhere here, let's dig further will yah :)
what kind of example do you want to hear more? have you read the link? from the very government itself, it is happening.. how much more down the line? i still have'nt seen any response from you that makes any sense :(
good point avishai...haribon any ideas from you on how we can solve this "ningas kugon" issue? pinoy ka rin di ba?
my real intention is to collect affirmative thoughts and responses from all of you fellows... and take it a step further from there, so as to bring an end or eliminating a real issue brought at hand. but i still am to find anything of relevance that fits the intentions. the way it is coming about, we are all just good in bashing here and there but resolving any issues is of non importance... with that observation coming into play, how are we going to resolve any bigger problems if from the mere trivial or rather common issues itself, we cannot bring any light? and some will say they want world peace?? duh!!!
lol, i thought you're collection answers for your kid's homework... ^_^
avishai, i like your sense of humor :P
"my real intention is to collect affirmative thoughts and responses from all of you fellows... and take it a step further from there, so as to bring an end or eliminating a real issue brought at hand. Your intention is good hariibon.Hope you do something to end or eliminate ningas kugon. And be able to update us on what you have done so far in the future and not end up being a ningas kugon. Since you are the author of the thread why don't you start with pointers or idea on how to deal with this and for sure some will follow. Keep it coming by doing it first.
i am still standing despite all the bashing you had poured upon :) me against all :P how much more do you wish to dump? i will respond to any response i find of relevance to the main subject, i will not play with your own dirty tricks of derailing away from the issue with that of counter bashing :P
what does a "TROLL" means by the way? And what do i have to loose by such demotions? please read back again the topic, you were asked to say something or anything on the topic did'nt you? so why not focus on that instead?
avishai gave his point already .
hariibon... time is ticking...
i am actually doing already, maybe in proper time it will be known... but not yet ;) immaturity still abounds here and there :(
so whats your concrete actions after collecting all the affirmative thoughts from our fellows? hope you can change the whole world... your so called home country in general... ___________ time is ticking...
you may be wise enough to dissect that there is no time aspect that binds the subject matter at hand :P so don't revert back on me what i had layed upon you be original and try some other tricks instead :P by the way how's your clock been doing, as i remember it was only a week... any progress?? ;)
we are on the right track... and there was no mention of a week... fyi it was "sa lalong madaling panahon"... hope you can physically join us for you to witness the real concrete actions...
we're just having a healthy conversation here.... please feel free to dig in :)
"the pyramids of egypt was not built by a single piece of brick. it was made of collective mass of tons and tons of bricks." i am moulding my own piece of brick here, and i have the impression you have your own piece to mould as well... so why not, if it materializes, that mine and yours be combined together and use it to make something of real worth. who knows, others may follow suit with the maiden act of moulding their own bricks... and if that happens? what do you think can we be able to build then with the collection of bricks??
my dear countrymen, it is very obvious from your words how you are able to express you opinion/s to the extent of bashing a person... you call that "intelligent(?)" :P is that really called upon as warranted for in any argument? i will not stood in front of a barking dog, thats not my style... so you can keep on barking as long as you want :P why don't we just limit whatever we have to say on the topic at hand? somebody asked an example of "ningas kugon...", well i have an article here that tacles our very own governments "ningas kugon" acts as well. http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=68259
keep moulding your own piece... we will keep our own pieces... your objective is to change the entire nation's system... i.e mass cleansing... ningas kugos... well... good luck to you our objective is just an improvement on a particular existing system of a small unit (Doha PE)... based on facts (actual experience).. based on norms (vision-mission, customer service relations, competitive analysis, among others )... with benchmarks...hoping to have a positive concrete results... that can be measured... for us to determine its efficiency and its effectiveness afterwards. good luck to us we will just focus on small things... as they said... nagsisimula ang malaki sa maliit
big things start will small things. even high rise buildings were made of tiny small matters known as sand particles, iron ores, drop of water...etc. it's the intention to start something small and collect and bind them together so as to make a difference that will initiate for the next steps to be done, all leading for bigger results, by god's will, it shall be done :)
alexa, it's all about filipino trait, "ningas kugon" usually connotes a behavior or action not meant to last, or an idea that have been started and left unfinished... and how it will be solve (as being a behavioral problem amongst pinoys) or remove from filipino culture as what the author implies. hope now you'll understand and feel free to ask if still in doubt. ^_^
"even high rise buildings were made of tiny small matters known as sand particles, iron ores, drop of water...etc." correct.. but the quality of outcome will depend on the collective efforts and synergy from designers, consultants, contractors, operators, clients, and most impt is the customer's inputs..... and each has norms/targets (i.e. designer will design it base on client's specification and budget, consultants and contractors will build it according to approved specs and method of statements....client will generate funds base on their IRR and cashflows), operators will run it based on efficiency, effectiveness, and savings, among others)...
im bringing about an real issue which can be answered back by a real answer... as simple as that :) did i hurt any feelings here? remember i'm part of this culture as well :)
i really dont want to react on the main topic as it is true to all of us pinoy one way or the other . . . . anyway just want to expound on what i commented above, my point is plane and simple we can never be 100% sure that what the poster has posted reflect his way of thinking or doing in real life. maybe sometimes or 50% but not 100% true. . just speaking based on experience. sorry for that off-topic. it just caught my attention " In my opinion only. . . nothing personal"
I agree on PA on his site on the topic, every Filipino who is aware of what's happening with himself and wants to avoid such character, then he or she must do something, such as read books on personal development, character ethics, listen to audio books here are some audio books that I uploaded in my site http://bench20yrs.multiply.com/music/item/30/The_Law_of_Attraction http://bench20yrs.multiply.com/music/item/43/The_Law_of_Attraction_CD_2 http://bench20yrs.multiply.com/music/item/56/7_Habits_of_Highly_Effective_People I hope it will help to improve ones character.
thanks for the links :) may i add, have you watched the movie "The Secret"?
your responses merits to be counted as valid points to consider in our goal for transformation. i deeply appreciate with much thanks :)
appreciate your response, i just thought there might be more. but i do agree with you, there are times that what we see is not what we actually get. we may even get more than 100%, far greater or worse than what we expect :(
Yup Hariibon, I have an original DVD.
it was really a highly transformational experience after viewing that, don't you think?
yes, but one must have self discipline on acting to the Law of Attraction, specifically on Deliberate Attraction. Because you can have the most beautiful, sexiest woman on earth by using the deliberate attraction. That's the secret!
Kabayan.. the topic is so boring...
FM :) seems your talking from experience huh! did it really worked for you?
hariibon, actually I acquired most of my personal things thru applying the Law of Attraction (TAKE NOTE, IT'S FREE), I even got my lifetime partner, my Gorgeous wife. Back to your topic, its the 7 Habits that will eliminate one's "Ningas Kugon" thru "Time Management Matrix" inspired by Steven R. Covey
a BIG "D" word that is definitely in stark contrast with our subject matter. i got an idea, i'll list the thoughts that we gather here so as to build a launch pad to jumpstart our quest to transformation, to start with: Solution: 1.0 To eliminate "Ningas Kugon", once must have self discipline to finish whatever has been started until completion ---> FrancisMorilao 2.0 Focus on dedicating Quality in whatever endeavor that we do..., be it trivial, personal or professional ---> Agent Nur ... now that were really getting warmed up, am i seeing more solution to come? :)
keep em coming FM, others might be inspired to give more :)
Thanks Bro. always think positive and always remember the Law of Attraction
I AM!! that is why i am not affected at all by any negative bashings i am throwned at herewith.... it's all part of the journey to our transformations to achieving our purpose in life, as thorns and bushes are definitely abundant along the way, we will be bruised but thats not enough to hinder our desires to pursue traversing ahead down the path... :)
Solution: 1.0 To eliminate "Ningas Kugon", once must have Self Discipline to finish whatever has been started until completion ---> FM 2.0 Focus on dedicating Quality in whatever endeavor that we do..., be it trivial, personal or professional ---> AN 3.0 Incorporate Time Management in whatever task that we do. Learn more from 7Habits... ---> FM 4.0 Committed to sacrifice for an objective. ---> PA :) :)
and it ticked so fast :) but i think it was time well spent by serving it's purpose. _______________________________________ To Summarize; Develop the Right Habit. Focusing with small things first, by starting with them and applying time management and quality consciousnes. See it thru completion with full discipline and commitment. Once that habit is embedded deep within our character, any task how big it maybe shall be just a repetition of the process. _______________________________________ I'm done here. Good Night to All :)
And what's the conclusion you guys reached with regards to this topic?
I see this thread as a misplaced and uninitiated indictment of the Filipino culture. I beg to disagree that "ningas kugon" is a "negative character" within the Filipino culture because in reality there has had never been one in our culture. "ningas kugon" historically has been para-phrased by old folks NOT to disgrace a person BUT to MOTIVATE him into finishing what he has started. Invariably, everyone is guilty of unfinishing what he has started, and even our national heroes were not spared from this malady. Our first president, Emilio Aguinaldo, was "ningas kugon" when he ordered the assissination of Andres Bonifacio and run the helm of KKK only to sell the gains of Bonifacio to the Americans for US$800,000 and sided with the americans in the mock battle off Manila bay against the Spaniards who already secretly agreed to sign the Treaty of Paris with the Americans before the staged surrender. It took the soul of an unknown Filipino soldier off San Juan bridge to trigger the war against the americans whereof we gained true independence. If I am to enumerate the acts of our heroes, even modern day heroes, constituting "ningas kugon", then this thread's premise is doomed. This is NOT a character attributable to Filipino Culture for truly there is none in our culture, but coined just precisely to motivate one to finish what he has started. This is without prejudice, however, to various justifibale reasons that moves one to stop altogether or start a new process or a new beginning.
The conclusion: THERE IS NOTHING TO REMOVE OR CURE FROM THE FILIPINO CULTURE FOR REASONS THAT "NINGAS KUGON" IS NOT A "CHARACTER" IN ITSELF IN THE FILIPINO CULTURE. This matter exist only in the uninitiated mind of the author, for quite obviously, he is dearth on information of what truly Filipino culture means.
ningas kugon is a negative trait that all of us (not only Filipinos) wanted to avoid. With the right foundation, right organization and committed members, can achieve great task by even starting in small things. I personally believe ningas-kugon can be overturned by committed people who are willing to sacrifice for an objective. Ningas kugon can be negated by a more positive one- Commitment. The will to do unconditionally. "Adda ti adal na, ngem awan ti sursuro na."
I saw one in TV tonight in Jolo jungle.
or idiomatic expression which means something that is not permanent, usually connotes a behavior or action not meant to last.
"Ningas" - Filipino word for "fire" or "Flame" "Kugon" - Filipino word for "dry hay or bush" These two words literally means "bush fire". Unfortunately, Filipinos has this so called " Ningas Kugon trait" way back from the SPANISH period, wherein a person would be so energetic and fastidious in an endeavor...but all of a sudden, he lose interest and leave without finishing what he/she started. Like a bushfire, bursting into flame for a few minutes, then dies down after a short while.
let me cite a simple example to enlighten you... "if you tell me now that you will embark on a weight reduction program within two months. and true to your word you did start it up.... then later after a week or two, you dropped back due to lack of commitment and dedication to pursue... then, what do you think will i tell you? i will say to you, that you are nothing but a "ningas kugon" to your word/act. be aware that i don't meant any insult to what you just did (dropping back), instead, you are encouraged to get back on track and finish what you had just started... you may take it as a challenge per se" did i make the topic more clear now?
well explained azi..
i dont really understand why this topic has to be brought up to the main forum...
the same thing. It seemed that there were previous incidents (or topic threads) wherein this came about, but I'm not that interested to know... I too...am OUTTA this topic...PEACE!!!!
harribon - we dont need your dare nor your challenge for us to "exert extra effort" on finishing what we started... our intention is very obvious...it is written on the said article...please read it again... our methodology is based on norms and facts... please read it again...when you said we need to exert extra effort...LOL...we have our own catalyst - our group's unity, positive energy, and synergy - for this endeavor to end in good faith. goodnight hariibon.. and we will pray that you can change the entire nation with your initiatives.
harribon - we dont need your dare nor your challenge for us to "exert extra effort" on finishing what we started... our intention is very obvious...it is written on the said article...please read it again... our methodology is based on norms and facts... please read it again...when you said we need to exert extra effort...LOL...we have our own catalyst - our group's unity, positive energy, and synergy - for this endeavor to end in good faith. goodnight hariibon.. and we will pray that you can change the entire nation with your initiatives.
i highly appreciated your indept explanation and truly educational indeed. i must accept the fact that i am lacking the indept knowhow as compared to yours. but if i am to take your word, "ningas kugon" historically has been para-phrased by old folks NOT to disgrace a person BUT to MOTIVATE him into finishing what he has started..." i am really amused of why i get to be served with such "intelligent" bashings here and there? :( ... so who appears to be more of an "uninitiated mind" about our culture amongst here? anyway, enough had been said. i will not dwell anymore on that. i had started and finished it, true to the context of my real intent. agent_nur, the real intention of thy humble servant is not to bellitle your initiative on your thread but to challenge you more to exert extra effort on finishing it. i will be very glad to see good fruits "sa lalong madaling panahon" with regards to that initiative :) and who else will benefit on that? definitely not just me, but all the entirety of filipinos here.. :) don't you agree agent nur?
this phenomenon is not at all purely of filipino nature. it is a behavioral character trait common to any human being all over the world. some people just tend to over react due to the name having localized connotation, or as what rimlaw said, "uninitiated mind". so anybody still wondering why it was put up in main forum? that would be my final say for tonight.... :) nyt to all, until we meet again :)
i will pray as well that you and your groups synergistic endeavor can bring about some change as well right from the very issue you had brought upon, and among other things.
good night hariibon... a very nice article... with an excellent intro: "Ningas kugon...This is one of the many negative character in Filipino Culture. with a magnificent ending: "this phenomenon is not at all purely of filipino nature. it is a behavioral character trait common to any human being all over the world." good night to all!
Agent Nur, i believe there was no wording that says "exclusively" filipino at the intro? else, my tired eyes' betraying me now :) Alexa, well, next time maybe i should use word prossesor first to edit grammar and spelling LOL, coz the way it goes, i just type and post :) _____ i believe there is also a saying: "nobody's perfect"? duhhh where did i get that LOL this is what i like in this forum, you get to learn as well if you deal with linguists and grammaticist (hope spelling is correct) ... you guys made me smile or should i say L***H, pouncing on grammars and spelling and this and that.... woahhhhh !!!
How exactly can you cleanse a culture? Well, I guess that's difficult. But first, you must deal with "reality" that humans, & the culture that they've developed aren't always perfect. Welcome to the human race my dear bird! "The truth hurts. But the truth cares"
ningas kugon is only applicable in the philippine settting..its' within the culture itself..you can't take away from it..pinoy style di ba..
Develop the Right Habit. Focusing with small things first, by starting with them and applying time management and quality consciousnes. See it thru completion with full discipline and commitment. Once that habit is embedded deep within our character, any task how big it maybe shall be just a repetition of the process. ___________________ .. it has to begin somewhere. as mentioned above, starting with smaller things. i heard somewhere that "rome was not built in a day" and "a journey to thousand miles begins with a single step".... i do believe now that "mass cleansing" can be equated into "mass awareness". if one person starting from me gets to start something out of the ordinary for a change, maybe the next person shall follow, and the next person after him/her shall do the same.... who knows what will happen next? it's just a matter of taking the initiative and the desire to begin with... if i don't take that initiative, others may do it anyway, but when will that be? time is ticking for all of us.... __________________ kyuting, despite the bashings i got here and there, i still wishes to "walk the talk"... and today is the best day to start doing it ;) __________________ A pleasant Good Morning to All, Peace and Prosperity be with You All :)
NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT MY FRIEND BECAUSE IF YOU THINK & YOU FEEL THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TRAIT OF (NINGAS KUGON)THEN YOUR MIND & SPIRIT ARE TOTALLY FREE.
well noted, thanks ;)
something wrong with the KEYS? others might construed it for ang**.... if you know what i mean ;) be aware, that spelling and grammars are checked here, how much more with all CAPS :P
yes the word itself "ningas kugon" is exclusively pinoys. but the nature of the act as what alexa mentioned, is not totally ours alone. it applies to all human being in every corner of the planet. in the first place, this act may have been handed over to us by all those who colonized our mother country. or it may have been developed somewhere along the way during those long years of boredom, laziness and "uninitiation of the mind" amongst local masses (non elite). "malay natin, baka mapauso natin ang salitang yan at gamitin din ng ibang hindi pinoy" ;)
I'll do my best to stick to the issue presented by hariibon. I believe that the solution to Ningas Kugon is something a person must undertake. This is not something like a group can undertake and finally decide not to do it any more. If each one decides to do something about it, then as more people do it then there will be a difference. I dont believe that it needs science or discussion. We can discuss it all we want but if each of one does not decide or is not conscious about it, then this is just all talk. Lastly,there is there is a lot of other issues that we can discuss and find solutions to. I dont also believe that Qatar Living is the proper venue to discuss such a topic. Lets walk the talk guys. :D
I like your will & spirit...you remind me of myself when I was a budding college student...full of idealism... wanting to change the world or at least make a difference. But my idealism were later replaced with realism. That the world & its inhabitants for all intents & purposes, has defects cultural or otherwise... Look at it, how easy it is to change or influence one's habits much more, the whole culture? Although I don't see anything wrong with trying to change the world, but we have individual priorities in life. I have my own issues to deal with ie. education, work, family, etc etc. that has more worth to me than "ningas cogon", "Filipino time" or the Philippine Embassy. You see, if you live everyday of your life worrying about what's wrong with the world, you will die miserably becuase you will achieve nothing. Why not start worrying about problems that you have more direct control of, like your own life??? I'm sure you do have problems huh? But how about if we discuss these over a quiet lunch, I mean today? Care to join anyone? "The truth hurts. But the truth cares"
why you probably got a lot of unsolicited messages is because your intentions were not clear. As I posted before, to discuss this particular Filipino culture you singled out, in Qatar Living is not exactly the best idea. Furthermore your original messages gives the impression that majority of the Filipinos have this particular trait. What do you expect? When you posted here, means you were illiciting reactions, right? Positive or negative, everyone is entitled to their reactions. One more thing, I hope I got the objective of this post correctly. But you are trying to come up with solutions to "ningas kugon" right? Then why is it in one of your responses you said that - we never know maybe we can make the term a famous and it will be used by other nationalities as well. Hariibon, check your objectives again, I think this is contradictory to what you want to achieve. You want to change and remove a trait not start spreading it. We will not solve anything by realizing that all the people in this world have this trait. Now, since today is a good day to start, can you share what you intend to do to change this culture?
Hmmm sir ron i like that idea of a quiet lunch . . count me in . .=) " In my opinion only. . . nothing personal"
Call plumkiwi! I'll PM you place & time. Anyone else wants to join us for a quiet lunch & light discussion about culture? "The truth hurts. But the truth cares" 1
OOpss...I said I'm out of this topic... bubbye!
what are you waitin' for.It is your time to shine having lunch and culture discussion with filex very own ron_ona.nyahahaha(chevy mode).
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
POINT OF NO RETURN! wala munang good!!!!(English only in the main forum).
i want to believe that my prayers are being heard but lately its seems they have all been wasted words..how many prayers will it take how many tears must we cry till we can walk across that bridge of hope to peace on the other side
I'm really interested to know more about your insights & ideals... & would really like for you to join us for lunch at 1:30ish today. Please PM me for details. "The truth hurts. But the truth cares"
I can join you. I like meeting smart people! PM me if it push thru! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
hariibon...if you're intentions are really about "changing" the so-called "culture of yours", then you should have posted a POSITIVE view on HOW to change it, rather than GENERALIZING the entire Population of Filipinos and giving us a Bad Impression. I am a Filipino, and damn Proud of it...but the way you generalize US of having the "culture" was as if you know every filipino. Think first of HOW YOU START A TOPIC, coz that will reflect HOW YOU THINK OF YOURSELF. If you start a conversation with all the Negatives, then ask for a positive reply, then you are mistaken. What you give, you'll receive. I don't have the NINGAS KUGON "culture" because i was RAISED not to have it. So, don't GENERALIZE it as a CULTURE, coz if you see it in yourself, then your parents RAISED you to become one. It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
hariibon...if you're intentions are really about "changing" the so-called "culture of yours", then you should have posted a POSITIVE view on HOW to change it, rather than GENERALIZING the entire Population of Filipinos and giving us a Bad Impression. I am a Filipino, and damn Proud of it...but the way you generalize US of having the "culture" was as if you know every filipino. Think first of HOW YOU START A TOPIC, coz that will reflect HOW YOU THINK OF YOURSELF. If you start a conversation with all the Negatives, then ask for a positive reply, then you are mistaken. What you give, you'll receive. I don't have the NINGAS KUGON "culture" because i was RAISED not to have it. So, don't GENERALIZE it as a CULTURE, coz if you see it in yourself, then your parents RAISED you to become one. It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
sorry for the double posting... It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
...reading too much Stephen Covey books is bad for your health hehehehe! You read something that amazes you, then you start campaigning & pushing the idea to the whole world expecting them to change...to the point of making them so inferior. That's not how encouragement works. So Hariibon, let's do lunch what do you say? Don't worry, all I brought is my appettite & I promise you this would be clean chat. "The truth hurts. But the truth cares"
yes, ron_ona was right in view of reading books by Stephen R. Covey you cannot change the whole world with such an idea. I agree with you sir Ron.
Ah yes, quick but awesome lunch there... Thanks for joining plumkiwi & AB! The chicken was good. "The truth hurts. But the truth cares"
seems to me that many had missed my presence for the day :P :P I'M BACK!! TO TICKLE YOUR SENSES ONCE AGAIN :P
is not exactly addressing the issue.... maybe this thread is all talk anyway...
" You want to change and remove a trait not start spreading it.... " why not? if that may help so be it :) if the inflicted cannot find cure to their ownselves sickness, maybe by spreading it among others will cause these new inflicted to act differently, that may hopefully, find the proper cure. :) see what's happening with AIDS? it started elsewhere, and got spread out far and wide. and now what is happening? every scientists involve worldwide is fighting against time to develop the proper cure.
hijo, first you wanted to solve the problem of "ningas kugon". Then you said that maybe the other nationalities will adapt the term from us. So how exactly is that helping solve the problem??? So you are basically saying - if they cant beat us, join us? (im sorry but i have to laugh at this one hhahaha). So what you are actually suggesting is to have the whole world with people all "ningas kugon". And you compare this trait with aids? This is what you thought of the whole day??? geesshh... come on, im sure you can come up with something better than that. You've been daring the people here, heckling others in another post and you cant even give a good suggestion. I think I'm going to stop replying in a bit because it would be wiser to do.
thanks for dropping by anyway :)
i dont think its the intention of haribon to help eliminate ningas kugon from our trait...his/her real intention i think is to spread this negative trait to everyone in ql...for a reason that only he/she can answer...
do you ALL honestly believe that a single person can really make an entire mountain to move.... within a day? HEY!! COMMON!! YOU ALL BETTER WAKE UP!! as i had said, "the journey to thousand miles begin with a single step" i am taking my own pace at my own stride, nobody else can force me to ride up with their antics. i had taken my first step, and actually had taken the second ;) how many more steps shall i need to take? WHO KNOWS??
maybe, there's more than meets the eye :)
can you solve a jigzaw puzzle if you are given only a piece of that puzzle while lacking the other 99% of the pieces? "ningas kugon" is barely a piece of that puzzle... there's more to come or shall we say, "just the tip of the iceberg" :)
...im tired...g'night.
im off for the night as well, good night all :)
I like Hariibon's ideas except that its only leading to endless exchange of poetic ideals. We know about the Filipino culture etc etc. What I know is this, no matter how small or great we wanted to change all this, life as we know it will take its own course. So instead let's all go back to our own little life & fix whatever problems we have there, that is more important at least in our own lifetime. Hope is good. But only if you connect your hopes with reality. Let us not be so fixated with the self-help Stephen Covey books & the likes. Life will always be unfair, we just need to put up a fair fight. "The truth hurts. But the truth cares"
all we need to do is start with small things... develop the right attitude and let it take us further! with our ownselves, be the one setting the limits. ...today is another day to take some more steps on our reality and daily routines, i.e., "walking the talk" ;) GOOD AM to ALL, once again :)
Hariibon, it's a matter of choice for everyone, and you can't tell them to do things if they don't want to. Don't focus on "Ningas Cogon", focus on the person's initiative to change. You can't change someone because YOU wanted to...and you can't generalize everyone having that "mentality" of your "Culture". The whole world is a reflection of your ownself. If you hated that person because of him/her having the "Ningas Cogon Culture", maybe you're having it as well. Criticize softly, Praise loudly. The more you tell somebody that they have it, the more you're forcing them to become one. Whatever you want to change with a person is something in yourself that you can't admit you have. Before you look at the splinter on your brother's eye, look at the wood inside yours. Tell me, since you said you made your "First Step" in preventing "Ningas Cogon", you might as well tell everyone else WHAT YOU DID for you to not have that mentality? It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
If that's what the Filippino word means, the best advice is: YOU MADE UP YOUR MESS, YOU CLEAN/FIX IT! Plain and simple. "Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
just like the rest of them, you are entitled to your own opinion and i am not going to take any of that away from you ;) and as what your statement had bluntly put up, don't you worry if i do made a mezz out of it coz the last person i would ever ask for help cleaning it will be ..... . . . . guess who?
i too, am trying to change and adjust to a lot of things and influence others. i am starting with myself. then influencing and sharing my opinions just like what you are doing(i think thats what your doing.). doing it one mind at a time. in any case, i bless you and hope to we can empower each other to work on our goals till we achieve it. so i guess that's one way to change the negative part of "ningas kugon". to empower and support each other. :D BTW, "the secret" works for me, my friend. have a lot of testimonials on that but maybe on another forum. ;D "For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack." Kabayan! Usap tayo sa Barangay!
In the end, no outcome is produced except the ashes of each individual follies.>>>>the author is the best example of what he stated here...and furthering to his quesion >>>> How do we solve and remove this from our culture? i wish it will not hurt you anymore as I see it, you absorbed every wrath of the society here....and the answer is>>> we can solve and remove this from our culture by removing YOUR VERY OWNSELF HERE, and ningas kugon issue ends, thats all folk...you are nothing but a second rate trying hard copyBIRD hahaha!!!! care for lunch? again!!!! you suck, really, you sucks so much....
YES, "SUCKS" is the right word that describe of what your language tells of you :) And i really wonder why people like you hiding in obscure username gets to talk like that? Haven't you asked yourself why you have the guts to trash talk while in fact you haven't got the guts to show up yourself either? "care for lunch? again!!!! you suck, really, you sucks so much...." And who do you think really SUCKS, "bading ka"?? BTW, Lunch with you?? WOW!! what merit do you got to call upon my precious time to allot that for a lunch with you? I suppose none in your wildest dream :P
I agree with you. The best is to lead by example. Some people just talk, yeah, & they talk a lot. "Ningas Kugon" is a symptom of a more complex issue of behavioural inconsistencies. The brain itself is made up of a network of billions of neurons that process decision making or our own choices in life. If there's someone who can influence or change that, its only the Man Upstairs... not hariibon, not me, or not anyone of you. So I say to you all, back to work you worthless employees! (kidding on the "worthless" tank hehehehe!) "The truth hurts. But the truth cares"
ningas kugon was part of a subject thought for the fourth grade elementariers in an objective to mould young minds to encourage or uplift right conduct and leadership. the poster is too late and just started on how to solve today... CG 4 short
Good Evening CG, i believe nothing is too late for those willing to make a change :)
No one can make a change except HIM, Anyway, something just came up which i like to share. "God Helps those Who help themselves" "Nasa Diyos ang Awa, Nasa Tao ang Gawa" - and if there is truth to that, then how would "He" be able to induce change upon those not willing to accept change?
glad to hear about that :P keep on doing and believing what is worth believing, and certainly, it will reward us dearly of what it is truly worthy of. on a personal note, i am beginning to like more of what i'm seeing and happening around here in QL. Indeed, tons and tons of rotten eggs and spoiled tomatoes had been thrown at the eagle... but still, managed to keep flying... soaring high!. it will happen and it is happening, and actually waiting for more ;) as i had said earlier, the journey to enlightenment will be richly filled with thorny bushes thru its path and the bruises that it causes shall be unbearable most of the times. but all who had dared in the past had faced the storm, even "The Christ" had to suffer at the cross, for standing firm to his convictions. we will all face our tribulations in one way or another, whether in this lifetime or beyond, but who knows when? maybe i am already having mine.... shall i regret it? not in my wildest dreams! and so be it, it shall be done :) ... and i will take my own steps at my own time as per my own convictions ... :)
There's nothing you can do if people do now want change. Because, men are not created equal neither are they designed to be perfect. Equate your hope with reality & that will diffuse your frustration. "The truth hurts. But the truth cares"
did i just witnessed yesterday another negative traits rising up among the ranks... oh, well... what else do we expect :(
this week, i had witnessed some confirmatory happenings which i myslef was afraid to occur, but it did. Somehow, i have this tingling sensation that there is more to come, more to arrise from the closet. Let's just observe and see.... :/
i admire your persistence, definitely not a "ningas kugon" pero ang kulit mo!
yes you may call it that way and appreciate you viewing it on the proper perspective :) btw, had i mentioned that it's also part of the solution? i no longer need to point out the flaws, they are already manifesting one by one in every passage of time. because many had decided to dwell on the negative side. instead of tackling the issue directly, they had instead, decided to defend the incomprehensible sad truth that lies within. negative thoughts begets negative actions, and it will. it happened and will happen again... and there is more to come :(
hariibon...as i said...if you continue on looking for negatives, you are NEVER gonna appreciate the positive of the person. You can NEVER change a person if you keep on insisting all his mistakes, but instead it's BETTER if you TELL everyone the SOLUTION for the problem that you encounter. Such a pessimistic person you are...you are drawing all the negative energies in your daily life and share the same negative feed to everyone. If you don't know the solution, then you are not HELPING at all by TELLING everyone the FLAWS that you observe. Negative thougts begets negative action, as you say. You expect to get positive from the negative feeds you are giving everyone and PLANNING to give more? I suggest, focus on finding the solution for the problem, and if you don't have a solution, you might as well close your mouth and keep it to yourself. What have you achieved so far in giving all the negatives and not mentioning about a SINGLE solution for your observation? I say, NOTHING. Would that make you a better Filipino? NO. All talk...if you don't know the solution, FIND one. It's not because things are difficult that we don't dare, it's because we don't dare that makes things difficult!
as my first post said, this is not worth the forum! Post it where it belong! That's your first mistake! and from the first answer you posted, you should have know the reasons why you were treated as such! Anyway, welcome to the community! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
... you must be mistaken, my mouth are all shut, it's my fingers that's doing the work here :P ...by the way, care to share anything you find of use to solve any problem? coz the way i see it, you're only magnifying what i had already observed by simply observing what i am also doing. :) ...how about opening your own thread and tackle the issue you deem needing to solve with. coz the the way i see it, i am already doing it... at my own pace and at my own time :)
hariibon mas mabuti pa mag-member ka na lang sa filex at duon mo na ituloy itong thread na ito...di na dapat ito pinag-uusapan sa main forum eh...pwede ba?
...if you think this is a mistake, then you are entitled to your own opinion and that is yours alone, not mine. ...and the way i am observing your posts, you are not doing any help to the community either. your just plain good (at least you think you are) on arguing on whatever comes under the forum. what have you got intitiated with anyway that can help the betterment of the forum? ohhh, i think you have one... opening the H-channel i guess :P ...makes me laugh when people thinks themselves to be too prim and proper whereas they themselves does not have anything to show up with. ...at least, i have kept standing so far, and was able to made an ommellete from rotten eggs and tomatoes thrown upon me :)
you are the best and best and the best. At what standard, .....just think? Are you happy now? I don't need to prove anything, I am worthless and useless! Happy now? "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
if you are keenly obervant enough, and i think you'll understand why in no way whatsoever will i be interested to join your group. unless you can bring about any positive comment alloted upon me, maybe i can think otherwise. ....but i guess, you'll just be disapointed if you insist looking for such comment... :) btw, english only in main forum my friend :)
as i had said, you are entitled to your own point of view ;)
you are welcome to join the group BUT I doubt very much if you will be accepted! But since you are not interested, we are also not interested! It's not the group's loss, definitely! I am also waiting for a positive comment allotted for you but I think nothing is coming very soon! Lol!!!! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
is a bush fire that burst quickly into flame and died out as quickly after few hours or so... and now, "ningas kugon" thread had survive for more than a week and kept burning, because it is fueled by angst coming from postings and counter-postings... a fire, as i believe, will keep on burning as long as the key element (heat, fuel source and air) is present. as long as the negative acts are manifested here and there, the thread shall continue finding it's source of fuel that will keep it burning... if that is the case, then one thing is being proven here... that the community is very good in dwelling on the negative side of its inherent characteristics. until the time, that i no longer find fuel to sustain the fire... then maybe thats the time that the thread shall be finally extinguished. BUT, will that ever happen?
haribon, it will die down if you shut up! you are the one who dwell in negativity. the pinoys, as a community here in doha, are busy helping out to our less kabayans eventhough majority of us are not exactly well-endowed-financial-wise. we are busy conjuring up ways on how to help others battle boredoms by organiizng activities. where are you? you are here busy pointing this and that. your point is already taken so what else do you want? kadaut...
but ALONE! Keep on dreaming!!!!!! We find you funny, really, very funny! And your thread, we find it VERY INTERESTING and VERY INFORMATIVE! No, really, HONEST!!!!! And the omelet thing, realy, very interesting! Wait, I'll just go to the toilet for a while! Just wait! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
am with you friend so dont worry... just in time.. ill guarantee my name and u will be belong to us... so just to reiterate what had hariibon says about "ningas kugon"... "it is about a bush fire that burst quickly into flame and died out as quickly after few hours or so... and afterwhich burst again into flame and died out as quickly... and after a week... again, flamed into bursting fire like the thread, like the angst posters he had describe and like me... " lolz... >
you really are that funny :P
paulit ulit na to sa elementary at highschool eh...pinamamahagi nyo pa ang di maganda satin sa qatar.
i am very much aware of that initiatives... and let's just hope it can be sustained ... and not just "ningas kugon" ;)
aware? wow.. and yup, let's hope that the initiative will last as long as our resources will hold up and as long as the members will not get discouraged by critics. kadaut...
appreciate your interesting findings 'bout the contents here in the thread... ;)
you had just fed the thread one more chunk of wood... have you not aware? the community which i also belong will keep on reacting and feeding up the fuel beacuse... it's the inherent characteristic among us to push everything to the limit just to prove to the rest who will come out as "pinaka-Pogi" on the argumentation stance. well well well, i am already assured that i am not... do I?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
nice way of putting up your arguments... thats very very nice :P should i say, thats very intelligent of you ;)
well im not a keenly observant individual, so tell me why that lack of interest in joining our group? you are missing a lot my friend!!! im not sure though that a non-filipino like you can join the group...well i'll just leave it to the group's mod...
any other better argument you can give DMS? you had bored me, i should better go to sleep.... CHOW :)
i am not at all interested in joining... it's time to feed the physical medium, chow :)
the feeling is mutual, I also feel sleepy! "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
of course there is, try asking the texters generations... you'll be suprised and probably it high time to know such existence... our texting generations are the best in spelling and grammars do they? :P hohum..... good night folks :)
of course there is, try asking the texters generations... you'll be suprised and probably its high time to know such existence... our texting generations are the best in spelling and grammars do they? :P hohum..... good night folks :)
past 12 noon! Where are you, Kingbird? (I use finally your english name, so nobody will tell me "english only in main forum"). And I thought we are scribbling here? Oh, I see, Qling is now similar to texting? Is that sign of progress. Now I'm not surprised why so many could not write a business letter. Do you know how to compose one, Kingbird? "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
if your unsolicited initiative is to discredit your fellow Filipinos by falsely claiming that "ningas kugon" is a negative trait in our culture then I will bash your head no end, and would love to challenge your gross ignorance to the culture for which you undoubtedly belong. Yes, obviously, if you possess inadequate knowledge over matters or issues that you dare to post in QL, be prepared for the worst from your fellow pinoys because we are united against people who dare insult us or degrade us publicly.
After all, these same immature people aren’t *brave* enough to go into a Starbucks or a Blockbuster and start shouting racial, sexual, or political slurs and insults into a crowd. They’re curious cowards. And here’s a site where you’re anonymous. Ripe fruit for the picking. No one can yell at you. No one can really punish you. So the curious cowards post trollicious messages. They feel good that they had the power to *hurt* someone, to create a reaction. They get a petty little chuckle. And they feel powerful. Look at the people scurry and yell and act shocked. Ha! What can they do? Nothing. But sit there and be outraged. SO POWERFUL! For two whole minutes. And then their sad lives are no more improved. So sometimes they try it again and again. Eventually once people stop reacting and giving them a chuckle, they get bored and move on. Most of the trolls on this site are probably age 14 or so. Just don’t feed them and they’ll go away.
yeah, i think you had painted enough of what a troll looks like. is that speaking from your ownself? DMS, (business letter??) sorry... i have no further thing to say bout that as it is dragging away from the threads context. why don't you open a thread instead and maybe we can learn a thing or two from you.... by doing that, your helping the community in a way :)
Trollers use the web to make snide remarks and hurt feelings, and gain enjoyment from it.they insult others and start arguments, instead of respectfully answering questions, or adding to a healthy discussion. Trollers can key on individuals they disagree with, and make derogatory comments on all of their questions and answers. There are trollers in all parts of life. Those who derive enjoyment by making others feel bad. You can respectfully disagree with someone, and you can intentionally insult someone you disagree with. They are two different things, and they demonstrate the kind of spirit that resides in the user. I hope this helps.
The bickering, harassing, looting, bullying, cheating, accusing, abusing, trolling and fighting is driving good people away... Please help fight for a better community and help me get the word out!!! WE NEED TO STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS! Enough is enough! We have to clean the streets of QL. Let's win this war on trolls!
the entire community is now against one :) it seems, the fire is going to be burning for a long long time :P and not just for a few hours... well well well, i always told here, that i will keep my own pace at my own time.... i will not follow your pacings and sorry if you'll be disappointed. it's high time to take a nappie :) CHOW!!!
this guys' thousand dreams ;).... A "troll" posts something controversial or offensive, often wrong, usually deliberately wrong. They might even claim to be merely trying to incite discussion, but really they're just laughing at all the outraged responses they get. That's their way of knowing that you've "bitten" to the insult.
bout is I think is related to fight? Right, Mr. Texter? Why should I create one, you don't like it (H-channel), do you? "dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
A "troll" is somebody looking to insult people, because they enjoy hearing the outrage they create. The term has been around for decades, dating back to the earliest discussion boards. Sadism has always been a popular pastime.
Trolls are out to cause some sort of trouble or disruption."
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful. Disrupting a stable newsgroup/forums and the like, gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too. For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response. Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny? Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).
1.No Imagination 2.Pedantic in the Extreme -Many trolls' preparation is so thorough, that while they waste time, they appear so ludicrous from the start that they elicit sympathetic mail - the danger is that once the group takes sides, the damage is done. 3.False Identity - Because they are cowards, trolls virtually never write over their own name, and often reveal their trolliness (and lack of imagination) in the chosen ID. As so many folk these days use false ID, this is not a strong indicator on its own!

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