Student from Qatar dies in gang attack in UK!

britexpat
By britexpat

So sad to hear of this and really angry at the moronic element in our society..
Hope the thugs are caught and punished and my prayers for the family..

via Daily Mail on 25th August 2008

A murder probe is under way after a foreign student aged 16 died in hospital following a 'racial' attack.

The boy, who was visiting Britain from Qatar in the Middle East, was attacked by a mob outside a kebab shop in Hastings, East Sussex.

He suffered serious head injuries in the late-night attack on Friday and died last night at King's College Hospital in London.

The youngster was rushed to hospital and later transferred to the King's College Hospital, London, where he died late on Sunday night.

A youth aged 17 and two men aged 18 and 20 have been arrested and released on bail pending further inquiries.

Detective Chief Inspector Graham Pratt, who is leading the investigation, said: 'I am appealing for anyone who witnessed the assault to contact police.

'It was a busy time of the evening and there were many young people in the area. I am sure many of them would have seen what happened'

A Sussex Police spokesman said today: 'Police are currently treating his death as a murder inquiry, and are investigating it as racially motivated at this time.'

Chief Insp Natalie Carron, from East Sussex Division, added: 'The young man had spent about five weeks in Hastings and was due to return home next weekend. His death is incredibly sad.

'We will have a uniformed presence in the area to reassure people and will continue to work with the language schools to address any issues.

Hastings attracts up to 50,000 foreign students to its English summer schools each year.

'The problems and issues they are involved in are very few in comparison to these large numbers,' said Ms Carron.

'Notwithstanding this, no matter how rare an incident like this is, the effect on the young man's family and tragic consequences can only be imagined.'

The dead boy's identity has yet to be confirmed by police.

By amnesia• 13 years 9 months ago.
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amnesia

I just discovered he was the son of our old family neighbours back in the day :(

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

my answer to be to you would be this:

We read in the papers yesterday that a Qatari has EVEN killed another Qatari after they had a driving dispute. He did not kill him just because he was a Qatari!

Hence, all your assumptions are 100% WRONG!

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

If he was a Qatari would the Arab haven't beaten him around the head in front of the police. No he wouldn't. If he had been British would he have done it, again no. He assulted him because he was Indian and he knew he could get away with it. So that is racsim.

By KellysHeroes• 13 years 9 months ago.
KellysHeroes

Details of the tragedy, as narrated above, showing the authorities careless reaction, reminds me of a movie about the war between the Brits and the Zolo in South Africa

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

but did the Arab beat the Indian just because he was an Indian, or was there a driving dispute between them?

We read in the papers yesterday that a Qatari has killed another Qatari after they had a driving dispute. He did not kill him just because he was a Qatari!

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

May he rest in peace.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Gypsy

The poor family. :(

Visit www.qatarhappening.com

By Thejam• 13 years 9 months ago.
Thejam

Murdered student ‘was worried about racism’Published: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 01:18 AM Doha Time

By Nour Abuzant

Mohamed al-Majed’s body being taken to the Abu Hamour graveyard for burial yesterday. PICTURE: Ehab

TRAGIC schoolboy Mohamed al-Majed told his parents that he feared for his safety – two weeks before he lost his life in a gang attack in the UK.

Speaking to Gulf Times, Mohamed’s older brother said: “He frequently called us to say there was mounting racism in the area and he often heard racist remarks. A fortnight ago he called our parents to say he was concerned and he talked about moving to another town.”

Mohamed, who had ambitions to join the military, died from severe head injuries on Sunday, August 24, two days after he and his friends were set upon by a gang of drunken yobs in the coastal town of Hastings.

The body of the 16-year-old, who was studying at the EF International Language School, was flown home yesterday for burial.

Speaking inside the family’s ‘condolence tent’, Mohamed’s visibly distraught father said: “I paid money to send my son to study English, but instead he returned in a coffin.”

He added that no amount of money could compensate him for the loss of his “promising son” and that he must accept the will of God.

“It is the destiny of my son,” he said. “It is the desire of God and I must respect it.”

Tens of mourners gathered to pay their respects yesterday to the boy described as “a brother to everyone”.

Among them was Abdullah, a 16-year-old maternal cousin who was with his relative the night he was fatally injured.

Looking shocked and exhausted from the ordeal, the teenager said his cousin was the innocent victim of a kebab shop fight between a South African resident and a gang of British youths.

He explained: “The scuffle moved outside of the restaurant and it seemed one of the lads involved thought Mohamed was taking the side of the African. He punched him in the face once and he fell, hitting his head on the edge of the pavement.

“I will remember this lad for the rest of my life – and I could pick him out of a parade millions.”

At first Abdullah believed his cousin had suffered only minor injuries, but the extent of the head wound soon became apparent when the teenager “started to utter words I could not understand”.

Abdullah is also adamant that if police and medical professionals had realised how badly Mohamed had been injured and acted accordingly the youngster might still be alive today.

He said: “The police who originally came to break up the fight found Mohamed lying on the floor. They put him inside their vehicle and I was kept away for half an hour.”

According to Abdullah, it took British police three hours to get the dying youngster to hospital, followed by a three-hour wait for head X-rays. Mohamed was then transferred to a London hospital for specialised treatment – after a 15-hour delay because of a lack of beds.

“The next morning it was clear that the matter was much more serious than I thought,” said Abdullah.

On Saturday, Mohamed’s father was informed of the tragedy and flew from Saudi Arabia to London to be with his son. He reached London along with Mohamed’s maternal uncle early on Sunday. Heartbreakingly, the injured youngster was shouting with pain and unable to recognise his father. Hospital staff advised the family to get a little sleep – only to wake them with the news that Mohamed had passed away.

A post-mortem found that the lively teenager – with a fondness for diving – had suffered a skull fracture.

As well as being critical of the medical care provided in the UK, Mohamed’s family have questioned the responsibility of the ‘host family’ who had allowed a 16-year-old boy to be out close to midnight.

Mohamed was one of five children – he had three brothers and one sister.

His eldest brother told Gulf Times that the teenager had been very ambitious and travelled to the UK to improve his English and “not repeat the weakness of his brothers” who had shown no flair for the language.

Another brother, aged 12, added: “I cannot imagine that Mohamed has passed away. It will take a long time before I can absorb that as a fact.”

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
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anonymous

outside of city centre. A man from Arab origin got out of his car, grabbed hold of an Indian bus driver and beat him around the head. I thought that was pretty bad, but worse was the police just say there in their car and watched.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
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anonymous

manners and behaviour been the two main points.

That was the point im making.

Contary to popular belief, the UK isnt a vast pot of racist,violent anti "anybody who isnt white" attacks as some people seem to believe.

yes, it does have problems like EVERY other country, but dont tar us all with the same brush !

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

but westerners try to claim the there is the same in Qatar. It amazes me how stupid they are to claim that the people here have such kind of disgusting hate! Show me one....just on..expat who has been attacked in the streets due to his race/nationality.

It all boils down to your character, manners & behavior which are deeply rooted in your religion and the kind of environment you were raised in.

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
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britexpat

I personaly think that you are exagerating the issue. Yes, Racism exists, but having travelled to many places, I have found UK to be probably the most tolerant and accomodating place around.

I don't know where you have lived, but look at London, Birmingham, Coventry, Bradford, Manchester, Liverpool. they are all multicultural cities.

Lastly, racism exists even in ethnic communities.. Theer are fights between Sri Lankan Tamils and others, Between Bangladeshis and pakistanis etc etc

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

from "Other" races has there !

What a crock of bull yer spouting.

Yer making it sound like all life in the UK is racist attacks against "other" races or religions...

Like philb says, the hate is on both sides....

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By Thejam• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Thejam

philb that was just one occasion the fact that I mentioned it does not mean it happened to me only once. My point is that it was a common thing. I have friends who were attacked on the buses just because they looked paki. I mean a turkish friend of mine ( muslim) who always dressed in pakistani clothes was attacked and beaten. I mean this guy, had he not dressed the way he usually did (asian dress) would not have been attacked but the fact that they percieved he was a Paki he was beaten in front of everyone in broad daylight on the bus. so it is not just an isolated incident.I can mention loads of other friends who call me and email me all the time wanting to know how life is over here cos they can't bear it there any more.

so again to just brush it asided as an isolated incident is totally wrong.

By goodlookin• 13 years 9 months ago.
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goodlookin

There is a lot of hate in the UK, Europe and the World. I don't know Thejam...maybe your right, but in my opinion the UK is far better than the rest of Europe & USA in terms of racism. Black football players get abused in Spain, Italy, France & East Europe by their own supporters!!!

By philb• 13 years 9 months ago.
philb

Thejam, your one incident is not evidence of non-isolated incidents.

Hate flows both ways in small numbers and in isolated areas.

By philb• 13 years 9 months ago.
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philb

I think this is very sad news and sympathy is with the boys family.

I am from the UK and as a British citizen I feel ashamed this has happened in my country.

However, I do not believe Britain to be inherently racist, in fact I think most Britons are the most tolerant people in the world. Britain does have other issues, mainly around crime/violence. I don't believe it was inherently racially motivated, more a case of it was something to get a reaction and pursue an argument and sadly could have happened to anyone.

Look around Doha for everyday racism and slavery issues. There is no way people would be treated as badly as some of the poor asian workers are treated do here. Just because it doesn't get shown in the papers here doesn't mean it's not happening. Racism appears in many forms.

Don't blame the whole nation for being racist for the idiotic behaviour some uneducated horrible kids. Street crime is the issue here, in my opinion.

By Thejam• 13 years 9 months ago.
Thejam

hey goodlookin' you know what cracks me up is when people make the remarks ' i am not racist" then get a few drinks down them and you see their true colours. this attitude is what is taught at home. i mean a lot of time i was harassed by little kids of 14 -15.They reflected what was taught to them at home. Even once I was attcked in a bus and one of the kids nearly scarred me in the face with a knife. when i fought back to defend myself all the passengers accused me of causing trouble. "As we say birds of a feather stick together".

so one should not pretend that these occurences are isolated incidents in the west.there is a lot of hate there and it should be addressed.

By goodlookin• 13 years 9 months ago.
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goodlookin

Sorry to here that Thejam, maybe it’s because I come from a pretty diverse town or different generation. Like I said most of the racism i came across in the UK was between Hindu’s and Muslims.

By Thejam• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Thejam

hey good lookin' what you got cookin' I was born and bred in the Uk and the racism there was one the reason I chose to leave. I had been subject to racial violence there on many occasions this was not just an overreaction to a murder, this was racially motivated.The deaths you mention in doha are not racially motivated and it is exagerated very few foreiegners just get killed and buried in the desert. here if they don't like you they send you back home. You don't find people killing foreigners here because of the colour of their skin or religion.I mean in Britain once your skin is a bit dark you are labelled a Paki and picked no matter where you are from.I mean remember after 7/7 this brazillian who was mistaken as " A paki" and was even shot by the police.

this is not an isolated incident that one can just brush aside.

justice is what is required and a deterent for it not to repeat itself.

my advice to parents, don't send your kids there and many places like this, you go to a beehive you get stung.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

goodlookin- And what do you suggest these people who witness racism do? We don't exactly live in a society where one can report such behavior and expect to see results.

It just annoys me when some people on here presume that Qataris are all rich and we all get treated like kings by the government. I have had my rights violated and know I can't do anything about it, and to then have people whining on here about their problems and act like I am immune from such violations just pisses me off.

Even among Qataris there is a discrimination based on tribal affiliations. It is disgusting but that is the reality. So don't expect them any time soon to try and resolve the other cases of racism against the poor foreign labor, it will take a lot of time before it happens. A decade ago it was normal for kids to be used as camel jockeys, it took a long time but they finally resolved it.

These things won't change overnight, and by doing what a lot of posters have done in here by trying to actually paint the victim as someone who might have violated their rights in the past is just plain disgusting. These same people talk about racism here but are quick to generalize the whole Qatari populace. This suggests to me that their problems is more to do with Qatar itself and not so much with racism. I have witnesses firsthand racism from expats in Qatar towards other nationalities. All the racism is not just from the Qataris as some people here would have you believe.

By goodlookin• 13 years 9 months ago.
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goodlookin

Scotiabank.......I think you will find I have never denied the fact that the UK is a dangerous place. I don’t think there is a Brit here who would deny the UK has millions of problems including crime and racism. Maybe the people of Qatar should be more honest regarding the Racism and problems of Qatar instead of ignoring them. In my last year I have witnessed more racism in Qatar than the 22 years I spent in the UK...call me a liar, stupid, young, whatever but it’s the truth.

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Doctora

jmb we are talking about a crime that happened in the UK

you can open threads for these :

((BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Four female suicide bombers and a gunman killed at least 70 people and wounded almost 300 others during a string of attacks in central Baghdad and Kirkuk on Monday, officials said.

KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- "Convincing evidence" indicates a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan last week killed 90 civilians, INCLUDING 60 CHILDREN, a U.N. fact-finding human rights team said Tuesday.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A suicide bomber struck during a party for a recently freed prisoner west of Baghdad on Sunday, killing 23 people and wounding 30 others, an Interior Ministry official said.))

and you will get more than 400 posts ...ok?

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

I don't think you read the papers enough.

The media was actually against the moronic woman caught in Dubai and today all the media is mourning the death of a young boy and castigating the idiots who carried out this crime..

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

jmb - It might just be me, I mean I could be wrong here, but I think a possible explanation for why there is such a higher number of comments for this murder as opposed to ones in Israel, Iraq, and Afghan, might just be because there is a lot of Brits posting on here and we all live in Qatar.

Oh and did you know that the reason behind the frequent use of A/Cs indoors in Qatar is because of hot weather?

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Proud QTR

alexa, i agree with doctora, people on this thread are RUDE and those people do not deserve to be respected. On the other hand, there are plenty of other respectful people writing in this thread. what doctora said is correct.

By jmb• 13 years 9 months ago.
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jmb

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Four female suicide bombers and a gunman killed at least 70 people and wounded almost 300 others during a string of attacks in central Baghdad and Kirkuk on Monday, officials said.

KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- "Convincing evidence" indicates a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan last week killed 90 civilians, INCLUDING 60 CHILDREN, a U.N. fact-finding human rights team said Tuesday.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A suicide bomber struck during a party for a recently freed prisoner west of Baghdad on Sunday, killing 23 people and wounding 30 others, an Interior Ministry official said.

Please look at this in perspective. Off course we should feel bad for the family and friends, but why should this topic result in 200+ comments, while many more violent incidents are reported to us on a daily basis. I bet most of the people here just read over the articles about murders taking place every day in Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan and many more. This is just one more to add to the list, and should be treated as such. This boy - and with him his family - was unlucky to meet the wrong people at the wrong time, just like thousands of others every day...

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

I don't blame doctora, every thread is some idiot crying about an incident with a Qatari and them blaming all Qataris as a whole for what that person did. In most cases those people don't have an issue with the action of that individual as much as they do with the nationality of that person, that is why you can't try and reason with them.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

Why does someone need to stand up to Rami-leb? The guy is not a threat to anyone.

Rami-leb is just an insecure coward suffering from low self esteem, he turns into a champion of human rights when armed with a keyboard and not surprisingly his targets are always Qataris. Funny how he never addresses the stereotypes commonly associated with his own people from other expats, it might just be because he fits it so perfectly.

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

Alexa

it wasn't directed at you only, but i wrote your name because you said :

doctora, I can't quite agree to that.

so I'm explaining why i'm so angry ....

it's nothing personal and I applaud you and a lot of compassionate people here

Now i have to go Watch (NOOR) ...poor (Mohanned) might die

:-)

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

does any one blame me for not being polite anymore after what I read in this thread, did any one of you stood up to RAMI-LEB? Apart from 7aseeeb and genesis????huh????

again hypocrits....

I don't give a shit what ALL of you write about Qataris on other threads here on QL, Rant and rave as much as you like......

but this thread was about A KID who was killed....Qatari or not ( I don't care) .....

As Proud QTR said have a heart people .......and know when it's appropriate to criticize and when it's not......

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

Firstly, giving out your 'sympathies' to the boy's family before making your insensitive remarks will simply not make you look like any less of a heartless dirt bag.

It is very clear that the likes of rami leb do not really have any sympathy for the boy or his family.

Mis Cat - What must have the Qatari boy have said to have angered a group of boys, a group of boys who WERE REPORTED by the club owner to the police an hour BEFORE they attacked him with bottles and stomped his head? Do you also suspect the victims of numerous stabbings in the UK in the last few months were also people who might have provoked their attackers?

Goodlookin - Yes I am pretty sure it is very common to see Nepalis here scared for their lives because of Qataris attacking them in gangs and killing them. Don't give me the BS of murders being covered up here, many Qataris have been in the news after they had killed/raped their maids. Stop being so emotional and accept the reality that there are a lot of gangs in the UK randomly attacking people, just as I have accepted the reality that my life is at risk every time I drive on the roads here.

Rami-leb - Nice description of the 'typical Qatari' you gave there, considering you have never met him or know how he lived his life.

What's even more ironic is you cry about all the racism in Qatar against other nationalities, but then go on to generalize what Qataris are like, and don't even have the decency to refrain from posting such a despicable statement even out of respect for a dead guy.

You're a hypocrite and just as bad as those Qatari's who abuse foreign expats, you don't care about their plight either, you just brought it up in an attempt to make yourself appear compassionate just so that people here would think you are a reasonable person and would accept your ridiculous views of Qataris.

As another poster said you're just envious, and you would behave like the arrogant people you described as soon as you have the opportunity too, luckily you haven't and that is why you are just bitter. You act as if your fellow countrymen treat foreign expats any better, when what poor expats face of over there is usually much worse.

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

nor Oryx ! Lots of people here have expressed their sorrow - and as usual the thread has had it's share of side-trackers.

I hope there will be no need, Doctora, for you to change your 'spots' and become impolite in the future.

Salam

I'm of to play canasta on line - I'll probably end up playing against some foul mouthed person who hs an axe to grind for no particular reason. Happens a lot on the internet ! ;)

Night night

By SPEED• 13 years 9 months ago.
SPEED

and May Al Mighty Allah give strength to his family members ... and punish those who are involved in this crime.

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By manyana• 13 years 9 months ago.
manyana

I agree with what your saying but its not everyone on QL who is dissing your country.

Be better than them.... :)

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

salax

As I said politeness days are oveeeeeeer....

no body here deserves it.......

By Oryx• 13 years 9 months ago.
Oryx

Yes JT

Doctora asked where were the Qataris and people also discussing Qatar culture on this thread and this poor boy...

Just what I was discussing with my chum

a -Why the boy was kill

b- Which Qataris uphold Qatari culture...

Just relaying info...as this Qatari isnt on QL

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Proud QTR

this is a sensitive subject. if you want to know about the weather, go open a new thread or search google.

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

Mohannadi? As in family name - big family I mean ... influential.

Dunno

hi stratty - I think maybe Crawley should be taken to a PM :D

Not the place here on this thread, OK

By Stratty• 13 years 9 months ago.
Stratty

Jauntie - :) "Yeah, its really sad, now can we talk about the weather again please!" Brilliant!

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

I agree with jaunti but there are people here that needs dictation

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Proud QTR

people writing in this thread are NOT GETTING THE POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cant you see this????? my words are in the right place

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

I believe everyone has agreed it's a very sad event and suggest the thread wraps up now. Enough has been said, yes?

By Stratty• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Stratty

Ise Creeepy Crawley Boy too - lived in Gossops Green til I was 10. But I was born in London - in Lambeth, in Kings College Hospital.

By Oryx• 13 years 9 months ago.
Oryx

at the shopping mall! I just had juice with a Qatari chum... who wants to go abroad to study..

told him to go to new zealand and we were discussing this topic.

We were also talking about Qatari culture and that the Mohannadi people here often seem to really enjoy their traditions and uphold them...

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

We are all saddened by the death of this young Qatari - compassion toward his family, NOT ranting and raving at each other, was how this thread should have unfolded.

You could have said it to Rami-leb, or Goodlooking, or mis-cat for example

when it's Qatari defending Qatar or other Qataris you call it ranting and raving

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Proud QTR

i agree with you

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Proud QTR

For all people reading this thread, only reply if you have a heart. this story is a heart-breaking story. it is extremely painful to see a 16 year old boy attacked and killed BRUTALY. so people, do not judge qatar.

THIS IS A HUMANITY CASE. it doesnt matter what nationality he is, whether qatari or any other nationality, it is heart breaking. HAVE A HEART FOR GODS SAKE!

and by the way, do not go OFF TOPIC AND TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS STORY!!!!!!!!

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

100% agree with you ....

At last a Qatari spoke ......

I don't know where they are by the way....

HELLOOOO QATARIS, WHERE ARE YOU???

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
jauntie

but I AM ! and, as I said before, I hope you are each proud to be whatever your nationality is also.

We are all saddened by the death of this young Qatari - compassion toward his family, NOT ranting and raving at each other, was how this thread should have unfolded.

Never happens that way though does it - a tragic incident like this always brings out the ghouls and ghosties on QL.

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Proud QTR

thank you for your understanding :)

By brutus_ceasar• 13 years 9 months ago.
brutus_ceasar

Takes my Hat off to Proud QTR

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Heard your wife left you,

How upset you must be.

But don't fret about it...

She moved in with me.

By manyana• 13 years 9 months ago.
manyana

Why are people bashing each other....Wasn't this topic all about the poor boy????why cant you all just take the time to pray for the boy (May Allah grant him paradise and give his family the strength).

Hatred wont solve anything.

By Qatari1• 13 years 9 months ago.
Qatari1

I agree with you..

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Thanks Qatar!!

By prettykath• 13 years 9 months ago.
prettykath

I read this article in the morning at gulf times and this is really sad..

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

1.I agree with Doctora that we are discussing the UK, not Qatar.

2.If we want to discuss Qatar & Qatari police, then we might as well discuss the security measures of the police & other FBI, secret service in the US, against muslims & those who are not blonde/caucasian and who carry muslim names

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Proud QTR

thank you so much, i appreciate your support :)

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
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anonymous

it was a corpse of a website and an all-time play ground for westerners (specially americans) to bash Islam, Arabs, Qatar...etc.

Now at last, I am happy to see some proud Qataris who are standing up to defend their nation & values and to expose those racist haters.

I do appreciate those fair westerners (britexpat, steve&kim, and many others) who have the wisdom to look at things, from the right perspective

By steve_and_kim• 13 years 9 months ago.
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steve_and_kim

APPLAUD TO 'Proud QTR' - BRILLIANT WORDS

RAMI- LEB

First of all, from everything you have written it is so obvious that you are SO JEALOUS of Qatari people. you envy us. and by the way, if you hate qataris so much then why are you still in qatar? why have you left you "beloved" country and came to qatar to improve your living. go back to the place you came from. dont be a hypocrit. if you hate people from a country, you dont go and live with them!! isti7y 3ala wajhik. you dont deserve to be in this amazing country. it also seems that you have a really low self esteem and you are so self consious about yourself. Qatar has given you a place to live, instead of living on the streets, so you should be thankful.

and yes, WE ARE PROUD AND WE ARE THE BEST AND YES WE ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. There is not one qatari that is not proud of being one. there is nothing wrong with being loyal to your country. and qataris are LOYAL "unlike you"

the worst thing is to not have a heart and you have proven to everyone that you are heartless. i feel sorry for you, cuz it seems you hate yourself too.

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Proud QTR

what?!

By steve_and_kim• 13 years 9 months ago.
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steve_and_kim

Sammie1571 - there is absolutely no way that I will ever go back to live in the UK - NEVER

And to be quite frank with you, its actually people like you and your attitude that is killing the UK. (not me)

Decent British people are leaving the UK in their hundreds of thousands year.

We've had enough of the YOB culture and DERISORY government.

I'm not moaning about it and I have taken action , , , , I left the slum hole.

And my advise to all Qatari's (or for any other nationality for that matter) stay away. THE UK IS A SINKING SHIP

By QT• 13 years 9 months ago.
QT

hmm?

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Proud QTR

princess habibah

i applaud you on what you have written. for those who do not like the QATARI CULTURE are welcome to leave now. even though deep down they know they cant live without qatar.

By Proud QTR• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Proud QTR

RAMI- LEB

First of all, from everything you have written it is so obvious that you are SO JEALOUS of Qatari people. you envy us. and by the way, if you hate qataris so much then why are you still in qatar? why have you left you "beloved" country and came to qatar to improve your living. go back to the place you came from. dont be a hypocrit. if you hate people from a country, you dont go and live with them!! isti7y 3ala wajhik. you dont deserve to be in this amazing country. it also seems that you have a really low self esteem and you are so self consious about yourself. Qatar has given you a place to live, instead of living on the streets, so you should be thankful.

and yes, WE ARE PROUD AND WE ARE THE BEST AND YES WE ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. There is not one qatari that is not proud of being one. there is nothing wrong with being loyal to your country. and qataris are LOYAL "unlike you"

the worst thing is to not have a heart and you have proven to everyone that you are heartless. i feel sorry for you, cuz it seems you hate yourself too.

By princess habibah• 13 years 9 months ago.
princess habibah

Doctora

I just think that sometimes it is best to ignore such people! Because their heads are buried in their own asses.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

By alma wad• 13 years 9 months ago.
alma wad

http://yadiin.blogspot.com/

I saw the photo of the boy in a magazine .Lovely ,charming teenage boy - in his most beautiful years .

I know what racial attack means - living in my home country in Europe we suffered several attacks in cities .

Since then it is getting worse .

The anti arab propaganda is official thing and does not belong anymore to a a sub-cultural group .

Then there is nothing to wonder about .

By umm-salayum• 13 years 9 months ago.
umm-salayum

some countries have a higher crime rate then others, that's just fact , like it or not and the UK has a high crime rate.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798708/posts

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

The bashing started when some ignorant and hateful people wrote in this thread

for god's sake have some respect for the dead.....

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

Princess habibah

we are talking about the UK stick to the subject please......we are not talking about the US or THE GULF ABOUT THE UK

By princess habibah• 13 years 9 months ago.
princess habibah

Gosh is that all you people ever do is bash each other?

The Uk has issues but so does every country in different ways. Sure the US is more racially diverse as most people come from immigrant backgrounds and do not carry the same sense of pride as europeans or almost any other country on earth. But boy do we have some major ignorant issues. Bad manners are part of the culture in some parts here and for all the diversity americans sure know very little about the outside world. Not really my cup of tea!

Qatar and gulf countries have their own culture and if that is not everyones cup of tea they are welcome to leave at anytime. No one country is full of angels.. we are human and make tons and tons of mistakes. It is just the way the world turns.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

of coarse they will be one sided .....the side of the guy who was killed (any guy )

nothing in the world justifies killing.....

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
Mis-Cat

I am on no ones side...... I am not defending anyone..

My heart truly goes out to the family just as it went out to the family of the Young Australian guy who was killed by security guards at a Greece night club..

But do I hold the illusion that these things are always as one sided as they are reported......NO....

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

Oryx: I've been to news zealand, one of the best people I met all my life....but not many khaleejis go there because it's far....

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

Jauntie

you said: The UK has it's 'not very nice people' to the 'bordering on serial murderers' people, but tell me what country hasn't. Please. Is there anyone here on QL who can say they live in a country without any nasty subjects; with no prisons filled with offenders against society?

Come on! Let's see who's country is so innocent of all evil that can cast the first stone at Britain.

Now do you feel what we Qataris feel when we read all these comments criticizing Qatar and Qataris?????

By Oryx• 13 years 9 months ago.
Oryx

Aiwa! well said....

really why dont Khalejees go to somewhere like new zealand instead?

If I were Qatari I would think of going somewhere else.

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

Mis-Cat Arrogance meets arrogance....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seriously, why are you defending the attackers, and telling us no one knows what happens ?

because whatever this poor guy did does not justify being killed

People from the Gulf face hundreds of racist comments and incidents when they visit London for the summer from british people

one of my relatives was carrying a harrods bag, and one british lady started saying racist comments to her and , dropped her lit cigarette in my relative bag, setting it on fire, now what do you say?????

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
sammie1571

Just a quick one!! What do you think made the londoners this way?

By Oryx• 13 years 9 months ago.
Oryx

Mis Cat and GL

I wasnt trying to make or understand any points... I was just expressing sympathy and sorrow...

ever thought that people that knew he boy may be reading this?

I think your points should have been raised at a later time.

and GL you can belittle me and call me dirty.... ...I am sure you made more than a few people laugh with that comment.

I do hope to meet you one day.

PS Gypo... plenty of racial diversity in UK been going on for ever...London was very racially diverse by the year 1000...

By andysand• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
andysand

7aaseb toua3

Yor comment is spot on. I am from Scotland and used to live in London. The happenings with gang culture is beyond belief. You are 100% correct. It is western media that is enflaming situations that need no coverage , but the fabricated stories to sell news papers.

I feel ashamed to be Brittish after what these thugs have done this poor boy. May the animals responsible for this burn in hell.

By genesis• 13 years 9 months ago.
genesis

get your facts right. It was an Egyptian women who killed her maid not a qatari!

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=216153&version=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56

This is no Egypt, Syria, Lebanon or saudi

People don't just disappear. There is human right violations. But crimes are always reported

shame on you. respect the dead

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

watcha got cookin') lol OK it was YOU who mentioned Crawley. Knew someone did. We used to call it 'creepy crawley' ;D

Pound Hill is just up the road from Tinsley Green. I went to CCFE (when it was called that) but wasn't born around that area. My sister lived there and I was staying with her.

By goodlookin• 13 years 9 months ago.
goodlookin

I hail from the mean streets of Pound Hill, Crawley.

Greyhound is still there.

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
sammie1571

Ooh crawley i used to live in Epsom Downs!!!! :)

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

Think that's the name of Cranbrook one I know of. Went to their sports day with one of the old boys (he'd only just left the school at the time) in 19-- ! lol

I also used to go and watch the World Marble Championships in Tinsley Green (Greyhound Pub - prob not there any more) when I lived there :P

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

Its a small world.. My eldest son went to the Imperial College campus in Rye and the youngest is in Boarding school in Cranbrook..

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

I think we have some roots in the same part of the UK, if it was you who mentioned Crawley. Was it?

Well, whether you did or not, I know Hastings quite well and I'd rather live in Rye! :D

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
sammie1571

Doctora sorry misread! oops :P

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

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NIL ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

sammie I wasn't talking to you it's a general comment for all to read

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
sammie1571

The uk!!!

Doctora i did not say there was anything wrong with your country as i said no country is perfect!

Just think it is a shame the way it is going at the moment!

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

I hate it when people from other countries with much worse situations (regarding human rights) provide their advice to us (Qataris), I think you are just hypocrites...

Try changing the situations in your countries first then we will be more than happy to receive your advice....

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

" [img_assist|nid=103941|title=.|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=|height=0]

NIL ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

No, I just caught the back end of the postings.. I'll have a look..

By the way, not all people in the area are bad. This is a tiny "CHAV" minority , who cause trouble.. I always tell my son to very careful when travelling between his School and London..

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
sammie1571

A young life has been taken nearly every week here in the UK some are british some are not! This is a very serve problem but not all brits are like this and not all of britain is rough!!! At this present time i would personlly stay away from the East of this country!

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

Did you read the article I posted here from the Sussex Newspaper?

Lots in that article about the troublemakers and several associated links to other comments. Worth a read, if you haven't already.

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

This posting is about a young boy who was murdered by some morons. We still don't know why they took a dislike to him, but they did and killed him.

Nowhere in any of the papers I have read has blame been aportioned to the Qatari youngster.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, my youngest son goes to a boarding school very near Hastings. I have been there and to Hastings. I have met many foreign students - Arabs and others. Not one, have I found to be arrogant to full of himself..

So, please don't start stereotyping for the sake of it..

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

RAMI-LEB

Your comments are full of hatred towards this country, i wonder WHY ARE YOU STILL LIVING HERE??? GO LIVE IN YOUR SOOO RIGHTEOUS COUNTRY....

و يأمرون الناس بالبر وينسون انفسهم

I think this thread is about a CRIME THAT HAPPENED IN THE UK

why are you all talking about what happens here in QATAR????

whenever anything (bad or good) happens in Qatar, when we Qataris try to tell you that it happens in other countries, all of you would say BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT QATAR.

SO JUST FUCKING STOP TALKING ABOUT QATAR RIGHT NOW AND START TALKING ABOUT THIS CRIME THAT HAPPENED IN THE UK

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

I like to think that each and every one of us is proud to be whatever nationality we are.

A young life being taken for no reason is horrible no matter where or how it happens, nor who to or who by.

Salam

By Doctora• 13 years 9 months ago.
Doctora

Rami-leb

you said:I do feel sorry for this kid. I can imagine him, over in the UK, strutting around like the typical Qatari does in City Center, with an air of royalty, believing that no one would dare lay a hand on him; believing if anyone so much as gave him the finger he would yell 'don't you know who I am? I'm a Qatari... I'll have you deported' and that would be the end of it.'

YES WE ARE PROUD THAT WE ARE QATARIS WHETHER YOU LIKED IT OR NOT.

I AM NOT GOING TO BE POLITE AGAIN IN THIS FORUM

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

"It is very sad to read the news that a young Qatari has died in this attack in Hastings. Had it been a Kenyan or a Brasilian; a Swede or an English kid, even, I doubt we'd be discussing it on Qatar Living. OK?"

Of course! Because it will be discussed then on KenyaLiving, BrasilLiving, SwedenLiving or UKLiving...OK?

(but if an English kid was murdered in a muslim country by muslim boys, it will be discussed for ages on "AllTheUniversLiving")

By QT• 13 years 9 months ago.
QT

just a completely SHlTE PM

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
sammie1571

I think one fair thing to do to get in the right direction is to get rid of that idiot we call a prime minster!!!!

WHAT A FAIRY!!!!

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

That's more recent then the US and Canada Jauntie. It took us about 100 years to even start dealing with the rampant racism in our countries, and we've only began dealing with it less then 50 years ago. In the grand scheme of things, immigrants starting to move in in 1947 is still new.

Visit www.qatarhappening.com

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

Indians and Pakistanis have been migrating to the UK since 1947 - it's no recent thing :D

Most are second and third generation families now and I don't think THEY are too keen on the newer ones either! lol

Well, not the ones who cause friction within the neighbourhood, anyway.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

More money and resources into eduction, child welfare, and after school social programs. Greater accountability for the institutions that provide them. More emphasis on family values, which can be done through educational programs, marketing, pr, television, etc. More anti-racism campaigns.

I think the problem with the UK right now is it's experiencing two major cultural shifts at once. If you look at the US, Canada, NZ and Australia (slightly less NZ and OZ) we've been dealing with the issues of a multi-cultural society for a long long time, and with the issues of racism, whereas immigration, especially the HUGE influx of Muslim and Asian immigrants to the UK is relatively new. Put that on the heels of the UK and the rest of the West adjusting to a decrease in family values (which, in my humble opinion, is caused by both parents having to go to work because of the constant recessions and economic problems). This is what's making the UK a "boiling pot" at the moment.

And these issues need to be addressed, rather then the UK government continuously throwing it's money into one of the USA's stupid wars.

Visit www.qatarhappening.com

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
jauntie

The UK has it's 'not very nice people' to the 'bordering on serial murderers' people, but tell me what country hasn't. Please. Is there anyone here on QL who can say they live in a country without any nasty subjects; with no prisons filled with offenders against society?

Come on! Let's see who's country is so innocent of all evil that can cast the first stone at Britain.

It is very sad to read the news that a young Qatari has died in this attack in Hastings. Had it been a Kenyan or a Brasilian; a Swede or an English kid, even, I doubt we'd be discussing it on Qatar Living. OK?

As it happens Hastings is the pits. It used to be a lovely Victorian town in the days OF Victoria! It is now home to druggies and slobs who live off hand-outs from the Government. Goodness knows why they chose to put a school there for overseas students. Almost begging for a disaster.

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
sammie1571

There is no easy way to have this resolved i am a little annoyed that they make a comment like that when there is no country in this world without problems!

World peace would be a wonderful thing but all we seem to get at the moment is oh look at what that country is doing!

I wish there was a way to help to a certain degree but i do think it does come down to the way the world is at the moment!

Years ago mothers/fathers well at least one of them stay with the children and not all would turn out with the manners we would like but there was a lot less i think at least the uk makes it too easy for the parents to just claim the kids are having kids how are manners meant to be passed down???

Sorry if i have ranted it is just horrid when you walk down the street and 6 year olds are swearing and spitting!

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
sammie1571

What the hell are you talking about????? If you do not think that our country is any good don't bother coming back!!! Personally it is people like you and your attitude that is killing this country! Yeah lets just moan about it instead of trying to help or come to a conclusion!!!!!

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

a wise voice at last (plus britexpat)

Thank you for your fair words. Believe me that the young arab generations are no better. They lack a lot of manners. It is disgusting that parents are consumed with jobs & making money, leaving their kids lacking respect, social education & good manners.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Gypsy

7asseb, as I said, it wasn't that the papers were against the punishment, they were against the harshness of the punishment. It's a crime in Western countries to have sex in public as well, however the punishment is a slap on the wrist, not 6 years.

AND most of the papers, with the exception of some crap chav tabloids, supported Dubai's decision and really got a good laugh out of it all.

Visit www.qatarhappening.com

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

in an english lesson about who should be called "slut" or "prostitute"? Male or female?

Well this is not what you said! You said if arab men drinking & picking english girls in an english bup, should be punished. I clearly disagreed with you because it is not against the law to do that, in the UK, while it is against the law in the GCC for a slut to be drunk & screwing in public, hence the punishment!

By steve_and_kim• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
steve_and_kim

I am ashamed to have the misfortune of being born in the UK.

The country is falling apart.

Kids are not being taught what respect means anymore.

They (along with their parents) are high on drink and drugs.

The murderers must be bought to justice. (real justice) and the root cause of the social problems in the UK need to be addressed and rectified.

Utterly disgusting unacceptable behavoir

By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

i was referencing your use of the word slut. clearly, by using that word, you think that a person who has many partners is immoral.

i was wondering if you feel the same about the arab men who fornicate with many partners when they are overseas, or the ones who are drunk in the pub.

___________________________________________

"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I

By princess habibah• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
princess habibah

Gypsy said Each and everyone one of us ...

Each and everyone one of us is partially responsible for how these young men turned out. We've failed them in a lot of ways and executing them will solve nothing.

Visit www.qatarhappening.com

Thats just it! No one would like to believe that they played any part in this murder. Whether the role is big such as being parents of these children or more distance makes no difference. We each should be answerable for our own actions and neglectful ways that led these boys to commit the murder.

I am not convinced this murder was 100 percent racist. It was probabaly a bunch of English Yobos with nothing better to do then gang up on some poor boy. I don't think they meant to kill him just shake him up a bit. To chicken shit to fight one on one is far to common in britain.

I believe the answer is too let the family of the boy decide whether they should be given blood money or have the boys killed. After all it is their loss! To me that is the most just and fair decision. Because it may be that they have pity on these young men and by doing so change their lives forever by helping them realize and break free from the chains of the enviroment which they were raised. Or put them out of their misery so that they cannot carry on the dangerous cycle of violence by being released back into the public where they will have many stigmas attached!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

"when my wife was in kent studying english the young arab men in her school would be at the pub all the time drinking and trying to pick up english girls."

If you think that it is against the law of the UK to be drinking in a pub & try to pick up english girls, then surely they should be punished for breaking the law.

I assure you that in the GCC, it is against the law to be drunk in public, screw in public, and assault the police officer. This is why the couple was "punished" (if ever)

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

my point is the amount of western media against a simple & legal action from an arabic government

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Mis-Cat

This example is precisely what I was trying to highlight before..nobody knows what really happened at this point they only have hear say and of course it's the same old story..Poor little Johnny he wouldn't hurt a fly..or Poor little Johnny he would never have taken drugs...Poor little johnny he was a good Muslim he never drank and he certainly would have never slept with a girl outside of marriage...Seen it happen to many times to count..The friends, Relo's and people who think they knew the person all come out saying what a good person this person was when the police start investigating though a truly different perspective of the person emerges....Classic examples of this both from Australia "Anna Wood" and Shappelle Corby".......Look them Up...

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
Gypsy

Brit, we're from the West, we elect the people in the government. If we cared more about social programs and education rather then lining our own pockets, these kids would have the education they need.

7aaseb, if a maid is murdered by her sponsor yes 9 time out of 10 it's racially motivated. The sponsor looks at the maid as less then human because of her nationality, the same as these boys looked at the Qatari kid as less then human. A sponsor won't hesitate to kill a maid, but would never dream of killing another Qatari, because maids are "less" and "expendable".

As for your example about the women in Dubai, the vast majority of media, with the exception of some stupid chav tabloids, agreed with Dubai.

Visit www.qatarhappening.com

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

Thank you for reminding me of this.

I do read the papers.

Firstly, the story wasn't the punishment, it was the crime.

Secondly, the punishment for the same crime would be the same in any western country. Public drunkness and public fornication are crimes that are punished by courts in western countries too.

The point you are making, at the end of the day, is that a crime occured in Dubai, and people responsible were punished.

This is just the usual story of Qatari seeking special treatment.

It's an awful, racially motivated crime against all humanity when a Qatari is the victim of a crime. But when a maid is hurt, well, that's just a one off thing, and not all Qataris are like that, and besides, if the maid was living in Qatar then she should just accept that this is the local way.

By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

then is it your belief that arab countries should also punish all the male arab "sluts" (as you put it) for the way they act when they are abroad? when my wife was in kent studying english the young arab men in her school would be at the pub all the time drinking and trying to pick up english girls.

___________________________________________

"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I

By Muhammed12• 13 years 9 months ago.
Muhammed12

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raaji'oon

May Allah(swt) rest his soul in peace and grant patience to his family.

By valleyofdevils• 13 years 9 months ago.
valleyofdevils

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raaji'oon

May Allah(swt) rest his soul in peace and grant patience to his family.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

Look what the world media would say about Arab countries just because they punish a western slut being drunk & screwing in public with her boyfriend!

By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

i think you're making sense.

this place would be better if qataris worried more about all the racism that happens here. i find it pretty ridiculous for some to suggest that the way maids are treated (those treated badly) is not racism. clearly the fact that certain nationalities have no recourse in this country is a mitigating factor behind the way they are treated, and it is racist regardless of how far in the sand some heads are buried.

___________________________________________

"Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day." Withnail & I

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

I don't think you'll find anything written anywhere that the Qatari woman who beat her maid to death did so BECAUSE the maid was Sri Lankan.

And I don't think you'll find anything written anywhere that the Qatari killed in the UK was killed BECAUSE he was Arab.

The media can pin on tags like 'racially motivated' all they like, as though one white guy killing another in a knife fight in an alley is somehow more acceptable.

My point boils down to this:

This guy suffered the same fate as numerous expatriates do every year in Qatar, yet how often would there be hundreds of people posting about how upset they are that so far in 2008 about 25 Nepalese have died in Qatar.

Qataris and expats are more than happy to turn a blind eye to the vicious crimes that happen right here, in the country in which they live, and then act with shock and indignation when just 1 Qatari gets killed abroad.

The whole thing makes me sick.

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
Mis-Cat

Its only taken you what...4 hours to reply to a long dead comment..just goes to show how much you really do read what people post before commenting.....or has it taken you this long too too use that brain of yours to figure out some witty remark that has only been said what 100 times, 1000 times before on this forum......

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

you are still beating around the bush. Where does it say that Qataris kill expacts for reasons of race?

If a sick person has a bad attitude with a maid, then it wouldn't make any difference for him/her if this made was Indinan, Indonisian, African, Fillipina, Palestinean, Egyptian, Morrocan...etc. This has nothing to do with racism. It's a totally different issue than killing a teenager in the street, just because he was from a different race.

Actually no people get attacked in the streets, here!

By KellysHeroes• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
KellysHeroes

What varies is its level and aggressiveness and the media.

We do not feel safe in certain areas of our countries, let aside foreign countries. Kids should be aware of this, as well as parents.

The poor guy is definately a victim of others mistakes. May his soul rest in peace.

===================================== http://www.qatarliving.com/node/58409

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

"Still spewing Anti Western sentiments I see, yet still choosing to be from some obscure little Island that has a Western Ruling Body"

Same thing here...

every greedy soul comes running to this place, leaving its "common wealth" back home to collect some few extra bucks, while they spew hatred against the country & its people

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

I totally agree.

That's my point.

Qataris are demanding respect in other countries, and are (rightly) outraged at what happened to this poor guy.

But do you think that they give two hoots about how foreign nationals are treated here in Qatar?

Of course not, this is 'their' country, and they know that they can treat people like crap and get away with it. Just look at the building sites hard at work at 12pm during summer (apparently this is illegal), evicting people from their houses and increasing rents, despite legitimate rental contracts being signed (apparently this is illegal), or beating up maids because they want to go home (apparently this is illegal), detaining alleged spies for corporate crime without notifying the relevant embassy, as in the case of the former Qatar Airways executive (apparently this is illegal), employers witholding the passports of employees, (apparently this is illegal).

This guy was the victim of an awful crime, and one that should never have occurred.

I only wish that Qataris (and the expats) would show even half as much compassion for the victims of crime in Qatar.

By sammie1571• 13 years 9 months ago.
sammie1571

I agree alot of people are given hassel when they come over to us and vise versa but it comes down to if everyone respected the diofferent cultures when you enter a country then this would not really be an issue but this does not happen!

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
anonymous

7aasebToua3:

Prove to me that this unfortunate guy was killed 'just because of race'.

There is a systemic abuse of people here based on their nationality. Whether it is wages, working conditions, visa requirements etc, people are discriminated because of their race. This flows through to the way people treat their Sri Lankan/Filipina maids because they know that this culture accepts that you can treat people poorly just because of their nationality.

Everyone knows that in Qatar, it's okay to treat an Indian labourer like dirt. And that Jordanians aren't to be trusted and can't get visas. And that Palestinians should be sent home. And the Filapinas are all prostitutes. This is a racists country full of racist stereotypes, and racism is the basis of a lot of crime in this country, perpetrated by locals against those in less powerful positions.

Withnail:

Don't get me wrong. This is an awful case, and the guy, no guy, deserves to be killed in this way. Period.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

I am talking about attitude towards maids in general, irrelevant of race/nationality, and here you are trying to drag us back into racism.

I do believe that if a person has a sick attitude with maids, then he has a sick attitude with maids. Full stop

By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

that's a pretty bold claim.

many of your bold claims in the last hour have been false. perhaps you can share with us the evidence behind this one?

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By goodlookin• 13 years 9 months ago.
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goodlookin

Oryx is a dirty Manc or northerner at least, go and get some tut gravy to put on those tut chips!

Last time I went to Hastings I got mugged by a gang of old age pensioners, bloody BBC...there anti young views are fuelling these OAP gangs...I blame the parents!

I have grown up in a town where 20% of the population were from Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan descent. Most of my friend’s parents originate from these countries and the only time there was any religious conflict was when my Muslim & Hindu friends would argue.

I was only trying to point out that this world wide problem that is not just isolated to the UK. If you really believe this sort of thing does not happen in Qatar, then I envy your ignorance. Like I said before the UK has millions of problems, but at least we admit that.

Anyway I’m off to my KKK meeting in Finsbury Park.

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

With all due respect.. Do you seriously believe that a Western housemaid / nany would be treated the same as one from a developing country - as far as abuse is concerned ??

By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

i agree with you about the moral outrage here being hypocritical, but doesn't this young man deserve the benefit of the doubt?

best case, it was unprovoked. worst case, he did strut around as you suggest, but that does not justify his beating (and i know you are not suggesting it does).

innocent until proven guilty, me thinks...

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
anonymous

there are no racism murders in Qatar. Give me one example of an expact being murdered just because of race.

As for: "Maids beaten, often to death"

this would happen to any maid, irrelevant of the race/nationality (even if she was a Swiss)

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Mis-Cat

Racially motivated, it doesn't mean as new evidence comes to light that this could change. I've read all the papers that are reporting it and they all are saying the same thing..It's like treating a someone who is found in a bathroom with their wrists slashed the police will always treat it as a suicide to begin with, if they find evidence to the contrary they will change their stance.

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

Sorry, I have to disagree here..

I take no responsibility for these morons. The government and their parents are the ones responsible.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

"something needs to be done about the societal problems that CREATED these guys"

By jauntie• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
jauntie

Hastings has had a bad reputation for decades now 'the end of the line for dossers and druggies' etc.

Anyway, here's a Sussex newpaper report and various articles commenting on it.

What a handsome young man that Qatari was - probably another reason for local chavs to be jealous.

My sympathy to his family, God rest his soul.

http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/479/Murder-victim-returned-to-Hastings.4425439.jp

By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

and given that there are only approximately 200 countries in the world, i think your claim that 100s of countries believe in executing murderers is untrue.

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Each and everyone one of us is partially responsible for how these young men turned out. We've failed them in a lot of ways and executing them will solve nothing.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

I'm going to set the cat amongst the pigeons, but...

I have great sympathy for the child's family. It's an awful crime.

But statements like 'imagine if the reverse happened here' really make me sick.

It DOES happen here. All the time. There are racially motivated crimes, involving sexual assault, fraud, and frequently murder, much more frequently in Qatar than what anyone here seems to want to admit.

Maids beaten, often to death, by the Qatari employers, for instance. It happens ALL THE TIME.

And when one Qatari boy is killed in the UK it is an outrage, and the Qatari government demands that an investigation is carried out with the utmost haste.

Seriously, if the Qatari government had any respect for human life and human dignity they would spend as much effort cracking down on the awful crimes that happen in this country too.

I do feel sorry for this kid. I can imagine him, over in the UK, strutting around like the typical Qatari does in City Center, with an air of royalty, believing that no one would dare lay a hand on him; believing if anyone so much as gave him the finger he would yell 'don't you know who I am? I'm a Qatari... I'll have you deported' and that would be the end of it.'

No one deserves to be killed like this, ever. But since I wasn't there and no one here posting was there, it's a bit rich to be jumping to conclusions about how he was 'obviously' the 'innocent' victim of an 'unprovoked' crime.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
anonymous

since they have committed murders (racist or non racits) then sure...go ahead and execute them. We are better off without them. Most civil laws in 100s of countries would tell you the same. Nothing strange in that

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

These people deserve life in prison. No if, and's, buts or maybes.

HOWEVER something needs to be done about the societal problems that created these guys.

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By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

sorry but citing a group from the 1950s when talking about racism today is specious.

the only way the KKK is relevant to this debate is if you choose to argue that the west has come a long way in 50 years and that this can be proven by the fact that such a group is so despised by the majority of westerners today.

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By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

This argument is irrelevant. The death penalty has been outlawed in the UK and many other countries. I can't really see there being enough support or political willpower to bring it back..

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
Gypsy

So you'll excuse me if I go back to 1500 some odd and look up the torture and execution of British and French sailors in Morrocco? Not to mention the raids carried out by them in the UK, where they kidnapped and enslaved whole villages.

As for killing everyone who commits racist murders, you'd end up killing everyone. Just like the War against Terrorism has only succeeded in creating more terrorists.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

all racist people WHO COMMIT RACIST MURDERS

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Gypsy

So you think we should kill all racist people 7asseb?

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

about the 1950's...an example is an example no matter what year

By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

reacting emotionally knows that the death penalty does not reduce crime and in places like the US it actually costs more than keeping someone in prison their whole life.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

racist men kill a stranger (just because he is from a different race)!

Logic, wisdom & religion, all call for punishment. Then they have to be executed to set an example for others.

If the others have got the message, then we have succeeded in ending racist murders.

If the others did not get the message and continued to commit racist murders, then execute them until the last one of them.

When the town/city/country has no more racist people alive, then we have succeeded in ending the racist murders.

Just cut the bad plant from the root! Plain & simple

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

stories, and Islamic clerics preaching anti west hate on the other side, this crap is always gonna keep happening...

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Gypsy

I agree with harsh punishment, I just don't see how the death penalty is anything more then an easy out.

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By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Withnail

after hearing what passes for news here i think there are a few western media outlines that are doing just fine.

nowhere in the world is the press freer than in the west. i deplore the dumbing down of most news outlets and the bias that many have taken, but it's hard to beat the better one.

like someone above said, the fact that this story was reported everywhere shows that society is concerned and that people want something done. that's a start, and that means that change will eventually happen.

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By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

There's no quick answer.. I agree that we need to spend more on tackling economic depravation, education, social ills etc etc.

However, government also needs to look at the rights of the victim and ensure that there is justice for them. This may involve harsh punishment.

By the way, as a I said before, this story is carried by ALL the newspapers.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Gypsy

Well if we're going to go back to the 1950's for our examples....ya sure.

I just read the Gulf Times, and from that paper yes, it does sound like the murder is racially motivated. I hope the men are given strict punishments.

But once again, how do we stop this from continuing to happen?

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

"in the West to explore if a murder is racially motivated if there's a difference in race between the assailant and the victim."

when they kill "white man" who is defending the "black man" rights?

By Withnail• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Withnail

about 8-9 years ago, and this sort of this happened all the time. she was in folkstone and the local red necks used to wait outside the language school to harass the foreign students. i guess it's not getting any better.

one time a small gang were picking on a student with dark skin (i think he was arab) when a little japanese student came to his aid. the gang were not too worried but it turned out that this japanese kid was an expert in karate and he took care of business. they never bothered him again after that.

very sad.

maybe the arab students should go to toronto - there are not many (if any) places more tolerant than TO.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

what daily mails & telegraphs are you talking about?

I really dont trust western media. I am reading the Gulf Times. As long as it is in the Gulf Times, then it must be true...right, Oryx?

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Well it just looks a bit hypocritical. Also it's common practice in the West to explore if a murder is racially motivated if there's a difference in race between the assailant and the victim.

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By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Mis-Cat

The daily mail reports it like that????? It's the same reason why "the Daily Telegraph" in Sydney Reported "The Race Riots" it's all to inflame racial tension....

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

sure I can

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Gypsy

7aaseb, you can't condemn the media for being anti-Islamic in one paragraph and then say it's 100% right that the murder was racially motivated in another.

The fight may have started over racial reasons, but it doesn't say who started it.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

"I see you have decided to show back up again and spew your hatred."

It's only against hateful people. You don't need to worry if you are not one.

Gypo & MisCant:

Read the newspaper. The british police is dealing with it as a "racially motivated" murder

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Mis-Cat

The only trouble with that is most people in the worlds governments don't make money out of education, But war is another thing altogether...

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
Gypsy

It usually has to. Everyone has to try stricter punishments, fighting violence with violence etc, then realize OH wait, the root of the problem is poverty and lack of funding in education, maybe instead of spending money on useless wars we should be spending money on educating our people.

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By lima foxtrot• 13 years 9 months ago.
lima foxtrot

to the family and friends of this boy.

However, please until we know all the facts of why this has happened there is no point is discussing what you may or may not think caused this terrible tragedy.

 

 

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

I dread to think how much crime will be committed....

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By QT• 13 years 9 months ago.
QT

...getting any better! :(

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Mis-Cat

It's like at home in Sydney..you want real news read The Sydney Morning Herald..You want beat up, trash news read The Daily Telegraph....

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Gypsy

So, the question would then be, what needs to be done to solve these issues?

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By QT• 13 years 9 months ago.
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QT

...and try to conceal their issues by censoring the media! They know there is a problem, and as you correctly pointed out, they are making the public aware so they can try and solve these issues.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

the newspaper of choice for the middle class PC brigade, who are out to show the UK in its worst light.

So, there could be more to this sad story, than is first seen.

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By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

The fact that all the papers have carried this news shows that society is concerned about this issue and wants the government to take concrete steps to address the issues.

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Mis-Cat

Were you there??? the truth is no one knows what really happened not even the owner of the Take away all he can say is there were a group of young Guys and Girls causing trouble he asked them to move on, then less than an hour later they kid was beaten to death, so if there were witness to the actual event why didn't they step up and do anything?? Why didn't someone call the cops and the paramedics while it was happening??

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By Scarlett• 13 years 9 months ago.
Scarlett

I see you have decided to show back up again and spew your hatred.

Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.

By Scarlett• 13 years 9 months ago.
Scarlett

may God have mercy upon him. May the courts find the assailants guilty and punished.

THIS is what happens when you get a mindset of "us against them"...and it happens in every nationality and religion. Why people can't just live and let live is so far beyond me...

Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.

By Arien• 13 years 9 months ago.
Arien

Nope Gypsy.. I never meant a ''give up''.. should fight for it for sure.. process takes ages to find results. Like you said SA punished them, but is still a pretty strong racist country.

Untill its wiped out ,no mercy to the criminals and the punishments should be on to stop them grow.

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Gypsy

There's not 100% proof that it was racially motivated 7aaseb. And by fight I don't mean kill or even raise a hand against another person. No violence of ANY kind.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
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anonymous

"...and fight for peace..."

Referring to what MisCant said, if it was a normal fight between gangs of drunk young men where 1 of them got killed (Arab or no Arab), then it would be a normal story that is not worth discussing. But this is different. This is a 100% direct result of hate & racism brain-washing that is being encouraged in the west (specially agains Muslims & Arabs)

It would be outragous even here if a Qatari kills a westerner just because he is blonde & a Christian!

Look what the world media would say about Arab countries just because they punish a western slut being drunk & screwing in public with her boyfriend!

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Mis-Cat

No it does not give them the right, but the fact is outside of here most of the young Qatari's don't realize they are not a protected species. Thats why my comment followed on to say they have no real experiance dealing with a group of pissed, high morons who only stop beating someone when they stop moving........

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

Let's leave it with "no one has the right to kill."

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
Gypsy

Actually 7aaseb if that happened to me in Palestine I would do what a lot of women do, and I would join groups that petition the government and fight for peace in the area. There are quite a few and they span both sides.

Really, by your own logic, if what MisCat says is true (using our imagination) and it was the Qatari boy who started the fight, then really, the gang was justified in killing him.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

we were not talking about those words of mine. You mentioned these words:

":"If yer think its really that bad, and yer dont like it, then why study there ?"

Gypo:

"If everyone did what you say 7aaseb, when would the violence end?"

I don't know! You tell me! Imagine the previous example I gave you, but occuring in Palesine, not Canada!

The only way to achieve PEACE in this case, is by fighting back!

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

I am surprised by your comments..

Whatever the reasons, the fact is that this young man was murdered by a bunch of morons, said to be high on drink.. Even if he was lippy with them, it does bot give them the right to take a life!

By amnesia• 13 years 9 months ago.
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amnesia

everytime my mum would call when I was at uni, there were police sirens in the background. And I lived in a quiet part lol.

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Gypsy

I don't see how divinity has anything to do with it, in fact, most holy texts say that you should leave justice to God.

Also, many people said there would never be justice in South Africa, but both the whites and blacks who committed atrocitites have been brought to justice.

If everyone did what you say 7aaseb, when would the violence end?

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

"no one has the right to kill", that's what I go for with you!

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
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anonymous

it's human + divine justice! You can not deny or cancel that. If people kill your family/cause you damage and there is no system to punish them, then you have all the right to serve justice with your own hands.

If you keep repeating that "nobody has the right to kill another person" while (for example) the zionists are doing it daily with the Palestineans, then I don't mind repeating "you are right, gypo", but only after I see that the Palestineas are being able to kill those zionists, too!

We can agree in public that "no one has the right to kill" if you want!

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

I copied and pasted them from your post, just like these:"Imagine you come from work 1 day to find that some strangers have killed your parents/husband/kids and have taken your house to live in it (because 1 of their great grandfathers has lived in this spot a 1000 light years ago)!"

Do you know that history tells us that the Palestinians alike invaded a country a "1000 light years ago"?

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Gypsy

Arien, no it isn't, but does that mean we should just give up??

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By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Mis-Cat

This is what happens when arrogance mets with arrogance...

I am not saying that he deserved it, what I am saying is there is two sides too every coin and given of the attitude I have met with with some of the younger locals here I find it hard to believe that they leave this here when they go abroad and given the fact that they are protected here by their family connections they feel the same Bravado when they go abroad not realizing that outside of here no one gives a c^%p that they come from or their family connections, they also have no real dealings with people who are intoxicated, hoped up on drugs and have the mentality of an idiot and all it takes is one wrong word and it's lights out....

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
Gypsy

Sigh.....No 7aaseb nobody has the right to kill another person, no matter what they've done.

Vigilante "justice" just creates more deaths. The Palestinians would be better off pursuing peaceful ways to end the conflict.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

it's not MY words!

Do your homework! scroll up & u'll find who's words they are!

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

we are talking in general. Why do you refer to your nationality?

When we say "you", we mean it in general, not as you or me in person.

But if you want to talk about Canada, then you are supporting my theory. You are lucky because you have a system to serve you justice. But a Palestinean, doesn't! This is why they have the right to kill the zionist invaders!

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
Gypsy

MD the changes don't happen overnight. They worked in South Africa, but it took time. North Korea, from my experience while I was there, is opening up and reaching out to South Korea, but it's baby steps. Hearts and minds take along time to change.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

After all, we ALL chose to come here, including me,you,Gyps and even this Goodlookin person.

But please dont judge ALL Brits by Goodlookin, most of us are nice,respectful people.The same as the majority of Iraqi people, we all just wanna live our lives.

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By Arien• 13 years 9 months ago.
Arien

The change is nowhere near....

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

UN sanctions are not working, gypsy. (Israel, Iran, North Korea, Sudan...)

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Yup it is and each country needs to start taking more serious action on it.

Do I think this murder was in part fueled by drugs, probably.

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

MD, impeachment only works in countries where there is already respect for the democratic process. If there's no respect for the democratic process or human life in general, it won't work. However, I don't think it's the right of other countries to invade and oust a ruler. There are economic sanctions, funding protest groups. Etc.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

well, 7aseeb, then in your words:"If yer think its really that bad, and yer dont like it, then why study there ?"

If you study in Britain, don't complain when you get killed?

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

to be a cancer of the modern world.

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
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Gypsy

7aaseb, as a Canadian I've elected and support a justice system that will punish the people who've killed my family. I won't make myself as bad as them by turning around and killing them or their families.

As for doomed, no I don't think we are, Inshallah more people are beginning to think like me, then think like you.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

"If yer think its really that bad, and yer dont like it, then why study there ?"

The same goes to goodlookin!

If he thinks that Qataris kill expats for racist reasons, then go back to where you came from and forget about the extra bucks you are making here!

By force1• 13 years 9 months ago.
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force1

His name was Mohammed Al Majed. Rest In Peace

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

yeah, there are more ways to get rid of a ruler: impeachement. Can you imagine they will do that to Assad of Syria or Ghaddafi of Lybia, gypsy?

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Mr. Paul, all countries have crimes, but I personally think the UK is coming up to a bit of cross-roads (other Western countries are quickly approaching it as well).

Drug use in the UK is ridiculously high, and racial tensions are extrememly high and these issues need to be addressed before things become more violent.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

I don't know! You tell me, Gypo!

Imagine you come from work 1 day to find that some strangers have killed your parents/husband/kids and have taken your house to live in it (because 1 of their great grandfathers has lived in this spot a 1000 light years ago)!

You you act Ghandish, leave them, go buy another house & adopt new parents/husband/kids?

I prefer to fight back until justice is served or we kill each other!

Also, and to support my theory; if you are doomed & going to be killed anyway, then why try to be peaceful with the bastards who are going to kill you any way? Why not take some of their lives with you?

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

reported more and more in the UK.

And to Qatari 1....

"Allah Yrhmah,

I wish all who are studying in U.K. including me are far away from drinkers, thief, criminals, drug addicts that they usually showing at night."

If yer think its really that bad, and yer dont like it, then why study there ?

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Gypsy

Thanks MD, but that's not a list of countrie experiencing internal issues due to racism, etc. Even Canada has it's issues, that have led to murders. No country is exempt.

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Gypsy

Absolutely not. However there's more ways to oust a ruler then by violence or promoting violence.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

gypsy, this link is for you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ongoing_conflicts

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

from their rulers if those rulers kill or direct their own people to be killed? Should the UN just stand by and say its just 'internal politics'??

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Arien, so long as the majority of the world views things the way 7aaseb does, I don't think peace will ever come.

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Gypsy

"developed world" refers to industrial development.

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By Arien• 13 years 9 months ago.
Arien

Brit.. Again its a big controversy when it comes to the question capital punishment OR death sentence..

Gypsy .. You are right but how far it can change the mindset of people , so far the colour differs.. I dont see hopes..

I think UK is not at all a safe place for sending the kiddos for education..would rather prefer US, canada, NZ

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

there are 100's of countries that are living peacefully because they respect themselves by respecting ALL humanity, irrelevant of race or beliefs.

Take NZ for example. Very peaceful country, happy & friendly people, although they are a mixture of many!

There is a very peculiar example; Denmark! Look how peaceful & quiet it was, when it was respecting all humans/religions, and look at the hate it triggered when it started doing the opposite!

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

Obama is in line to becom ethe President of the most powerful nation in the world (After UK that is).

He is Black and allegedly a Muslim..

So your argument does not hold water..

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

7asseb you aren't very familiar with whats happening in the world are you. There are most defintely not 100's of countries living in peace and respecting all humanity and irrevalent of race or beliefs. Just because a country isn't involved in a war outside of it's own borders doesn't mean everything is hunky dory inside. The cartoons in Denmark were a result of internal strife, most notably demand from immigrant Muslims for Shariah law, and backlash from anti-Islamic groups. Also, the wars around the world right now effect everyone.

Case in point however, despite the hundreds dead the cartoons keep resurfacing. So killing people hasn't stopped anything has it, in fact, it's goaded anti-Islamists and supporters of free speech to publish them even more.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

by the way, there is no death penalty in Denmark. So what would you do in this special case?

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

gypsy, you cannot expect him to sacrifice his life for an "idea". You're asking too much.

By albe• 13 years 9 months ago.
albe

Why does the world coin the term "developed world", when colour of skin or religion is the criterion to be treated as a human???

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Gypsy

Not much of a follower of Ghandi or Martin Luther King are you 7assseb. Actually I would say it would be far more effective to take a peaceful stand against invading forces thereby creating more outrage from the rest of the world.

Also in many cases, these governments won't leave until peace has been established, if people keep killing soliders, the soliders will turn around and kill the people and so on and so forth.

When does it end?

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
anonymous

you know very well that law and justice have nothing in common (First semester, studying law). But justice has to be left to somebody who has the right to perform it. And in many people's view only God has the right to perform justice.

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
anonymous

and until the governments withdraw their troops from other people's countries & stop the killing the civilians, then the only way to deal with them is by killing them & their civilians.

If they will not listen to you when you call them to stop the killings, then they would have to taste the same poison. That is pure justice

By Pajju• 13 years 9 months ago.
Pajju

so sad

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

in your understanding, 7aseeb, the whole world is in a state of war and martial law applies?: Right?

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Gypsy

Or we could call for our governments to stop killing in Afganistan. Eventually you do have to stop using killing and violence as the answer to everything. An eye for an eye only creates a world of the blind.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
anonymous

life is unfair.

And since the killing went on Afganistan, then there is no harm if these hateful murderers in the UK, are killed too!

Same rules of the game!

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Nope not at all.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

bringing the dead people of the trade towers back to life?

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Gypsy

Ok so you've killed these people and what's the outcome??? The boy hasn't been brought back to life and nothing's being done to stop the crime from happening again. We've just killed more people.

Wow, what a great answer.

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By janeyjaney• 13 years 9 months ago.
janeyjaney

I agree. Those who commit such heinous crimes must be given the death penalty in return!! But seriously, you really wouldn't mind even if your son had to pay for his dear life??

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By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
Gypsy

7aaseb your thinking just leads to a world full of more violence and death. It's a quick fix answer that solves absolutely nothing in the long run.

Arien, the UK (and many other places in the world) need to address issues of racism, violence amongst youths, etc. Social programs need to be put in place, the roots of the problem need to be addressed and people need to be educated.

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By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

Agreed. The punishment has to fit the crime. The problem is that the legal system is pretty wishy washy in my opinion. Even if found guilty of first degree nurder, they'll probably get 20 years max..

By Arien• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
Arien

I dont see a solution anywhere Gypsy..

This is ridiculous and should be addressd, Imagine the pain of those parents who lost a young one. Those brutes should be hanged to death.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

for the family of that 16 year old Qatari boy, is by executing his murderer(s)!

No problem if this will create more hatred.

Since their environment is encouraging them to be hateful racists, then they should expect such consequences.

If my son has committed such a racist crime, then I don't mind seeing pay (even with his life) to his crime

By Mis-Cat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Mis-Cat

I was wondering where you had gotten too..Still spewing Anti Western sentiments I see, yet still choosing to be from some obscure little Island that has a Western Ruling Body.....

"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Actually all that does is create more hatred back. Rather then having a meaningful discussion and actually reaching solutions.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

when you deal with such hateful people, there is no problem in vomitting more hate back on them. Actually it might be the only way to deal with them.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

77aaseb, Did you ever think of perhaps being slightly less racist yourself when you make posts? Just a suggestion, because usually any point you do have is lost in the vomit of hatred you tend to spew out.

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By Oryx• 13 years 9 months ago.
Oryx

Gypo he is from Sussex... all merchant bankers down there..

another one for the list of...hope I never get stuck in a lift with you...if I do I will pretend I am deaf.

By Oryx• 13 years 9 months ago.
Oryx

I just frequently lie about my nationality.... to avoid hassle...

And Samyas right...go to another area like Manchester...where it is more racially diverse.

yeah yeah 7aaseb...all evil brainwashed morons... Ramadan Kareem to you and all the rest.

By Gypsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Gypsy

Goodlooking, just a crazy thought here, perhaps we are discussing it because it was a 16 year old Qatari and *SHOCK AND AWE* THIS IS QATAR!! seriously, pull your head out of your azz.

My sympathies go out to the family.

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By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

you are, yet, another living proof of those westerners who are being continuously brain-washed with racism & hatred against other nations, by their media/governments.

Go & read the article in the newspaper. The (foreign)witness (Dr.Tanriverdi) himself, has been assaulted for 25 times. Isn't this the typical environment where you come from?

And remember, such racist crimes NEVER happen in this part of the world. Prove me wrong if you can! Show me a Qatari or any Gulf citizen who has killed an expat for pure racist reasons

By SamyaUK• 13 years 9 months ago.
SamyaUK

U cant blame the alcohol its the mentality of these people... Some people just hate Arabs and Asians and thats a fact, they would go out of their way to bully or even beat them even if they were sober... It all starts with "what r u looking at" reply the wrong way and u could get jumped... Hit in the head in the wrong place and your dead its simple... Trust me ive heard so many stories of Arabs and Asians in the UK getting killed or seriously injured and all for such dumb things... Once of my ex boyfriends who was an arab in London got stabbed 4 times in the stomache at a petrol station because he jumped the que, it was late at night and three guys jumped him and stabbed him... Its really sad...

By irrysa• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
irrysa

yeah, i've read about it today in GT, front page.

it's sad that such things happen anywhere for no reason.

my condolences to the family and may he rest in God's beloved embrace.

at the same time, i do agree that in Qatar many things are simply being hushed-down.

If you're looking for a problem, you're probably gonna find one.

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
britexpat

My sons all went to Boarding School near hastings. You are right, its a CHAV area mainly. However, there are hundreds of foreign students living in the area.

To me, this crime whilst racial in nature was caused by alchol. This is something we as a society and especially the government need to address.

By Bahraini83• 13 years 9 months ago.
Bahraini83

thats sad :(

may his soul rest in peace .. may the criminal be arrested and punished as he/she deserves

May Allah give his family the patience to pass his momory

By amnesia• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
amnesia

When I was in the UK I had to deal with a lot of racial comments being shouted my way as soon as they discovered I was arabic or Muslim.

So did my chinese friends.

It's sad. They didn't even care that I was half British, once they know you've got Arabic blood they treat you differently.

Wrote about it here http://blog.iloveqatar.net

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By SamyaUK• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
SamyaUK

This is so sad... I know so many Qatari's studying in Hastings, the problem with Hastings is its a very "white" area not like London where u find all mixed nationalities and cultures... I visited a Qatari friend in hastings once and we were too scared to hit the bars so they usually would drive down to London for the weekends... Its so sad... Stuff like this makes me ashamed to be British although i do love my country

My prayers go out to his family :(

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

I don't agree that there is more hate crime, however, I totally agree that there needs to be more discipline and accountability for the kids.

The government needs to take a harsher line with the moronic element.

By Loulsy• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Loulsy

No one said anything about UK.. in all countries there is racism.. but here ppl if you noticed are merely sending condolences.. no one bothered pointing a finger bcz at that moment they were thinking that there is a young 16 yr old boy who had just died bcz his mistake was to be in a certain place and of a certain nationality.

I think at such moments everyone should be able to overlook their prejudices and put down their defenses and think of those who are facing a challenge they didnt expect! go to the Gult Times and read the article.. it is not discriminating whatsoever but very informative with full details on what happened that night.

My condolences to the Family

WYSIWYG

By baldrick2dogs• 13 years 9 months ago.
baldrick2dogs

There's so much hate crime in UK now it makes me embarrassed to admit to being a Brit. It's only this latest generation too. The Nanny State that Britain is becoming is partially to blame for this. In my day a belt to the arse was enough to deter most kids from doing wrong. Now kids are suing their parents for disciplining them. Sad indeed.

I grew up friends with a Pakistani boy - Manza Mowla - great kid. His dad was very clever - maths teacher I think. They were the only 'non-white' family in town. Manza was 'different' but kids back then only saw 'different', not "Paki" or any onther derogatory name. Why can't we all just get along?

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By zhbali• 13 years 9 months ago.
zhbali

So sad,he has been named as Mohammed Al Majed.My condolences to his family.

May your dreams take you travelling all through your life.

By Salmamohd• 13 years 9 months ago.
Salmamohd

May his soul rest n peace....

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

So very sad. Condolences to the family.

Goodlookin, nobody said this was more important than any other, or that murders don't happen anywhere else.

But murder is sad and tragic no matter where it takes place. People who are touched by this are posting their sympathies and condolences here.

By goodlookin• 13 years 9 months ago.
goodlookin

Ahhhhhhhhhh the UK is in meltdown, when I return to the mean streets of Sussex I'll be sure to pack my bullet proof jacket and tank! This forum is like reading the Daily Mail sometimes...PANIC PANIC!

"Goodlooking, are you aware of what is going on?" Well yes, I am from the worst town in Sussex...I is a Crawley Boy!!!

LOOK...this was a horrific unprovoked murder and I’m not defending the murderers or saying everything is ok in the UK. All I wish to point out is that the UK is no more dangerous than the rest of Europe and most of the world.

Aisha-Taweela...just because you don’t read about it in the newspapers, does that mean it never happened?

Is it worse to live in country where every crime, flaw and accusation is reported or a country where everything covered up and the newspapers are nothing but glorified advertisements?

By dragonfly212• 13 years 9 months ago.
dragonfly212

go check in youtube about the gang criminal action. is really shocking. whats happening to our youth nowadays????

why no more sit around the fire and play guitar and tell story/jokes till dawn. i miss my youth time.

Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand

By Aisha-Taweela• 13 years 9 months ago.
Aisha-Taweela

Goodlooking, are you aware of what is going on? Do you see those articles?

Just read the dailies. The other day a 16 year old boy was thrown off a roof, 7 stories high while he was trying to escape from a knife wielding gang, a 18year old was stabbed in London. The 24th knife victim this year in the capital etc etc. Everyday you see articles like that. Stupid senseless crime is on the rise in the UK. And you can only make stupid remarks about people being buried in the desert? Where do you get this from?

Shame on you. Accept what is happening, and feel bad about what is going on instead of pointing fingers at things you do not know anything about.

Aisha-Taweela

By princess habibah• 13 years 9 months ago.
princess habibah

Probably because it is the only time people will start taking issues surrounding such crimes seriously Goodlookin!

Take into consideration that no matter where this would have happened the focus would have been the same.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

By britexpat• 13 years 9 months ago.
britexpat

The simple fact is that they were mindless morons who got drunk and killed an innocent person. Please don't make excuses for them..

By princess habibah• 13 years 9 months ago.
princess habibah

Such a crime however I wonder, if weighed on a scale the greater crime committed here is by those who taught these boys to hate. We always focus on the crimes however we do little to focus on the enviroment which grooms such crime to happen.

May Allah grant the boys family sabr and understanding inshAllah alahumma ameen.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

By goodlookin• 13 years 9 months ago.
goodlookin

Oryx...lol

I'm sorry but maybe you’re missing the point. How many 'racially motivated' murders are there everyday across the world. Why is this anymore important the rest? Why is this direct of result of brain washing and hatred of the western media? Why is the UK being portrayed as a gangland where it is no worse than Paris, Rome, or Doha?

It goes without saying and stating the obvious that I have compassion for the family and friends.

By Oryx• 13 years 9 months ago.
Oryx

shame on you

have some compassion for the family

it may only be a statistic to you but it was a son, a brother and a friend to others....

By Oryx• 13 years 9 months ago.
Oryx

I am totally ashamed .... after everything Qatar gives me.

If they want to study the Qataris are better off in New Zealand or somewhere.

thoughts and prayers are with the family

and no dont blame it on media propaganda... no excuse

this is just a heinous crime.

By goodlookin• 13 years 9 months ago.
goodlookin

What a complete over reaction to one murder in a big country. How many people are killed in Qatar everyday? That’s right...we don’t know because it is never reported. I lived in the UK for 22 years, but I have never encountered as much racism in my life as I have in my last year in Qatar. If you dig up the Qatari desert I wonder how many Indian, Filipino, Nepali bodies you’ll find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The UK may not be perfect, but at least we admit and know that instead of covering it up.

By heero_yuy2• 13 years 9 months ago.
heero_yuy2

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

By anonymous• 13 years 9 months ago.
anonymous

of the amount of hatred, racism & brain washing that the western media is inserting in the heads of the people there

By diamond• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
diamond

I heard about this at the weekend. Poor boy and family. They are in shock and cannot understand how this happened.

What a waste. What was the point? It really makes me mad.

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By princess habibah• 13 years 9 months ago.
princess habibah

May Allah forgive and guide the ones who committed such injustice! And bless his family many times over.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

By koolkat• 13 years 9 months ago.
koolkat

a nigerian teenager DAMMYLOLA TAYLOR was also killed some years back on his way from school one evening,up till now,i dont think they have found the killers.Sincerely,when u hear stories like this,u wonder what dis World is turning into,there seems to be no safe place anymore.I pray that God will give the family the fortitude to bear this great loss.

By stealth• 13 years 9 months ago.
stealth

Imagine the same scenario happening in Qatar in reverse. All the world would be having a field day.

By umm-salayum• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
umm-salayum

allahu musta'an...

signs of the last hour:

The Prophet (saas) describes the increase of murder in the End Times in these words:

The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until murder will increase.

(Bukhari )

By Qatari1• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Qatari1

Allah Yrhmah,

I wish all who are studying in U.K. including me are far away from drinkers, thief, criminals, drug addicts that they usually showing at night.

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By Meaningful• 13 years 9 months ago.
Meaningful

Ina Lilah w Ina Ilahi Rajoun...its really sad!

I dont live with example..Reather I prefer to be an example!

By manyana• 13 years 9 months ago.
manyana

This is so sad..May he rest in peace. What can i say England is getting worse by the minute with teenage kills and stabbing....they need a smack in the head.

By kimd• 13 years 9 months ago.
kimd

So sad,he has been named as Mohammed Al Majed.My condolences to his family.

May your dreams take you travelling all through your life.

By gerrit.booyens• 13 years 9 months ago.
gerrit.booyens

really feel sorry for the family of the student. Here in South Africa this type of thing happens all the time. Kids get killed in schools, hijacked and raped . Terrable.

These thugs should be removed from society - permanently.

By labda06• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 3/5
labda06

Geez, when will this crap ever end...so sad!! :(

"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie

By someonenew• 13 years 9 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
someonenew

Really sad...

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