Teachers punishment brought student's death

By gtim

This article has brought my attention. I was appalled that corporal punishment still exists in schools. It’s frightening to send your child in this school and suffered emotional and physical distresses and even death, instead of learning…

Quoted here the part of the news that saddened me too much… you can imagine how devastated the parents are…

“After finding his son's journal, Ajay Rawla filed a report with the police against the headmaster and three teachers. The teenager's private diary documented in heart-breaking detail the hardships he faced at school. "Do not take me to school. There is too much pulling and tugging, it hurts," he wrote. Ajay Rawla says teachers continuously victimized his son. "He was slapped for whistling in class once. When the fact was that he couldn't whistle," Ajay Rawla told TIME. The father says he had earlier withdrawn Rouvanjit's older brother after teachers had hit him as well. "If only I had taken Rouvanjit off too at that time, he would be alive today," he says”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599202410400

By flor1212• 11 years 8 months ago.
flor1212

can a teacher asked the school to removed the child in his/her class?

We are not talking here of average and "very normal child". What about problem child, say really a naughty one which even the parents can not control, how to deal with them?

By britexpat• 11 years 8 months ago.
britexpat

The laws are very strict in the UK.. You cannot shout at, let alone physically touch a child.

I think we've gone too much the other way as far as admonishing a child, but yes physical / mental abuse should be a no no.

By FathimaH• 11 years 8 months ago.
FathimaH

I always imagined such things happened only in our Asian countries. I mean I can't imagine kids in America and UK going through such punishments openly. I remember too back then as kids hearing from our cousins abroad how teachers never dare use such disciplinary measures like corporal punishment and that how if they do the school is sued, and all we could think of was "wow"! and yes in many village schools in SL its still definitely practiced widely though most major schools have abolished these so called methods of disciplining ,Alhamdullilah, including boys only schools which always had the worst offenders.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
anonymous

well

A question from those who studied from kindergarten in west, what if a student physical beaten in School?

I mean what will be impact of punishment on student personality in future?

However back in my home, i studied in Govt education system, where till grade X its a common practice for punishment.

By adey• 11 years 8 months ago.
adey

about parents.

Our school does not tolerate any physical punishments(obviously) yet, on numerous occasions, parents actually tell us, and I quote, to "beat" their kids if they don't work hard or do well.

We respectfully reply "No, we don't do this here"

Go figure?

By britexpat• 11 years 8 months ago.
britexpat

Times have changed for the better. However, there are still parents out there who feel that this type of discipline is neccessary.

By FathimaH• 11 years 8 months ago.
FathimaH

I was always always against teachers having the right to beat kids..even lightly! Alhamdullilah its actually Islamicly impermissible as well but this I only found out like two years back. I suppose it was mainly my sister's experience with this particularly draconian class teacher that made me hate this practice so much!I mean she used to batter kids unmercifully then put the fear of God in them so that when parents did inquire about her she'd have the kids give false testimony that she never beat them! And she'd swear she was innocent..and the worst part was she was the Christianity subject teacher as well so parents would ultimately let it go not knowing what to believe! my sister suffered a lot of depression and fears as a result..and posts like this just make my insides churn *shudders* I will never let my daughter,Inshallah, ever go through this..heck! I'll home school her if thats what it takes but never this.

By nomerci• 11 years 8 months ago.
nomerci

whyte..lol.....but seriously. Would it not be much better to instill understanding of/and consequences into those students? Beating them up does not make them more responsible,IMHO.

I think it is pretty much the easiest and dumbest way of doing things.AND the outcome is not positive anyway....basically, a massive FAIL.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

It's mostly under-trained staff at private schools. Physical punishment is looked at as a quick fix, too much effort and time required otherwise.

What they don't realise is that after sometime students don't mind this form of punishment. The students used to say, big deal if I haven't studied or failed a test. At most she will slap me a few times.

Some of our teachers were really creative, they will ask all the students who passed the test to come and slap the failed students one by one. Damn it, I was taught by psychopaths :P

By shapil• 11 years 8 months ago.
shapil

i dont think that spare the rod, spoil the child is really applicable now a days...what a child really needs is the attention from his teacher not a rod. If in a class one teacher is handling 50 kids then its difficult for her. I can understand that. I believe that a child is good before he turns bad and caning is a catalyst towards that turn around. What we need is to avoid all those ingredients required for the chemical reaction to turn the child for the worse. Such ingredients can be anywhere...in the school, at home.

By Lion_King• 11 years 8 months ago.
Lion_King

There is a systematic way of correcting a child when he/she goes off the track. Trained professional teachers know exactly how to do it. Unfortunately some vent out their frustrations at the school resulting in corporal punishment to the extreme.

By nomerci• 11 years 8 months ago.
nomerci

Lafanga, so you do not mind if a stranger physically disciplines your child?

See, I am all for discipline, and yes, if warranted and not in anger, some very light physical discipline too. BUT, by ME, not some other person I have no control over.

Thank God, the schools my child has been to do not allow physical or other violence by either pupils or teachers...and so far, neither has been necessary.

By gtim• 11 years 8 months ago.
gtim

since caning is known in that institution, meaning it's part of their disciplinary actions to brought students into what the parents are expecting from them. But some students who cannot handle the punishment and bottled up all the misery within them will resort to something bad such as suicides. horrible!

By Lafanga• 11 years 8 months ago.
Lafanga

Certain level of physical punishment is acceptable in our schools and parents also don't mind some form of physical punishment as it helps to discipline their child. Spare the rod, spoil the child.

This is a case where the teacher got carried away and these psychos need to be removed.

By shapil• 11 years 8 months ago.
shapil

neither do i nomenci... been through both caning and street fights as a child...although both are bad but they teach you much more than what caning does.

By gtim• 11 years 8 months ago.
gtim

qatar engineer got carried away with anger.. maybe he (father) thought everything is ok for his 2nd child cause the kid must be silent of what happened to him and they only knew the truth when they read the diary.

By nomerci• 11 years 8 months ago.
nomerci

one of those deranged arseholes would lay a finger on my child...I would surely let them know how a cane feels...and more. How can people send their children to such institutions??? I don't get it.

By shapil• 11 years 8 months ago.
shapil

teachers cane to bring out their frustrations on somebody who cannot retaliate...or they feel inadequate in their profession.

By Lion_King• 11 years 8 months ago.
Lion_King

Wrong people at wrong place and wrong profession.....

By britexpat• 11 years 8 months ago.
britexpat

We used to get caned in our school up to about 1974..Actually , our teachers used slippers instead of canes :O)

The other thing here is "why teachers cane"..

Is it to instill discipline or is it in answer to parents' expectations of better academic results for their children.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
Rating: 5/5
anonymous

The only time I remember us complaining was when I was in 9th standard, the physical education teacher beat up a kid for being slow out of the blocks during a training session for sprint race. The kid had no interest in it and didn't want to participate. He was forced to and then beaten up because he was too slow. All of us went to the principal and told her we won't be going back to the class if he is teaching in the school, she sent us back promising to take some action. The teacher never taught our class again and resigned shortly afterwards.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
anonymous

Ya it was really bad.. That's why I said some of them should be hanged..

Students also need to be made aware that they can complain against these teachers and this form of punishment isn't justified. If more kids report it to their parents then there is a chance as well that it may stop.

Our school got away with it for so long because they produced results, even getting a 100 out of 100 in an exam was no big deal there as so many others would have gotten it too.

By nomerci• 11 years 8 months ago.
nomerci

Whyte, sorry, but to me that is repulsive. And this is known? And accepted? Look, I better stop posting on this.

I wish all the pupils in schools where this happens the best of luck...and all the morons who beat kids and those who accept this ..to go to where it is very hot...eternally.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
anonymous

My parents knew that the teachers were very strict, my brother and sister were in the same school as well so they knew it pretty well. What they didn't know was that they use physical form of punishment so liberally. We didn't know any different as that was the only school we ever went to, right from kindergarten to high school, we thought it was kind of a norm. You don't do your homework, you get beaten up. You talk in the class, you get beaten up. You fail (Touchwood that never happened to me) you really get the 3rd degree.

You fail in more than one subject then you get beaten up by the principal in front of the whole school during one of the rare occasions when the entire school used to gather. One solution to every problem, beat 'em up.

By nomerci• 11 years 8 months ago.
nomerci

Oh dear! There is something fundamentally wrong there. Very, very wrong!

I certainly hope all this will come to light.....and the public will take action.

This makes absolutely no sense...and it may shape pupils in a very unfavourable way.

Are parents not suspsicious? I know I would go to the school and inquire if my child came home with bruises etc.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
anonymous

Nomerci the school I used to go to still follows this practice.. There are about 10,000 students in that school at the moment so not a small establishment by any means, one of the major schools of that region.. I wasn't there too long back either, till 2000 I was studying there.

The thing is we were made to feel that we sort of deserve this punishment and never realised that we can actually complain against it. Students getting beaten black and blue was a common occurrence.

I remember when I was 11, a teacher beating me for 15 minutes non-stop using sticks because I stood against the railing on 4th floor. Her reasoning, she was trying to tell me it's dangerous to stand there. I think if I had fallen down it would have hurt me less, lol..

I never told my parents of course, told them some crap about falling down the stairs or something. Just thought of it as something I deserved for breaking a school rule, Don't stand against the railing. It was a bit embarrassing to admit that I got beaten up by a teacher too, I don't know why but I felt that way.

Recently some cases have come to light where students have complained and they have taken action against the teachers but the action is a bit of a token gesture, temporary suspension or transfer.

By nomerci• 11 years 8 months ago.
nomerci

whyte, is it still as common as it was in your school days? And if this is known, why is it not changed?

These things used to happen too in my country to a certain extent, a very long time back. Now, if a teacher touches a child, the teacher gets fired , barred for life from teaching and, depending on how severe his offense was, goes to jail.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

It's very common in Indian schools.. I used to get beaten up every morning for being mischievous in classes the previous day :D

The ones who used to struggle in studies used to get beaten up more regularly though and more brutally.. It's a fcuked up system and unless they hang some teachers, it won't change.

By gtim• 11 years 8 months ago.
gtim

i think stupidity is in you also... you just don't understand my comment to you previously.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
anonymous

Maybe YOU are the stupid parent...? That's like leaving your child in a lions den because you think that the lion who ate your first child simply made a mistake.

As parents (I have 2 kids) you have to do everything in your power to protect your kids, no matter what. If you have ANY shred of evidence that your child is in a bad situation, you have to react....now....you don't just sit back and hope it won't happen again.

This isn't rocket science people!!

The level of stupidity in this world amazes me!

By britexpat• 11 years 8 months ago.
britexpat

Whilst I am for more discipline in school, what is alleged here is abuse and should not be tolerated.

May he rest in peace.

Remember, these are still allegations from a parent and nothing has been proven yet.

By FathimaH• 11 years 8 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
FathimaH

This is truly truly painful. As a child we had psycho teachers like this too and yes IMO any teacher who thinks he/she has the right to batter a child is sick! Mind you my parents sent us to one of the best schools in the country and such beasts existed there too. However not as bad as in some of the schools in impoverished areas where students have been beaten up so brutally it will scar them for life and one child was actually killed by a demonic teacher as well!and yes there have been suicides as well. All this made me make myself a firm resolve that I will never ever let a teacher lay a finger on my child! And to think such evil still lurks is saddening.. Yes these teachers deserve the harshest punishments permitted here.. End this evil practice once and for all!

By drmana• 11 years 8 months ago.
drmana

Teacher using physical punishment is wrong. But I very much doubt that it was alone the cause for the suicide. Unrealistic expectations from parents and too much pressure academically becomes too hard to cope for some teenagers.

Hope the investigation brings out the truth.

By hapy• 11 years 8 months ago.
hapy

HE should go and kill the teachers.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
anonymous

According to the article:

>>>"The father says he had earlier withdrawn Rouvanjit's older brother after teachers had hit him as well. "If only I had taken Rouvanjit off too at that time, he would be alive today," he says”

By bubblymom• 11 years 8 months ago.
bubblymom

i remember one of my nephews getting scared going to school because his former teacher put him inside the cabinet.

His parents decided to transfer him to another school and thank goodness, he overcome his' fear. He was showered with love by his new teachers and new classmates.

By anonymous• 11 years 8 months ago.
anonymous

i think in the earth is full of ppl now, and over full, so we dont need the merciless ppl like those, the best way to reduce the population is to kill all the criminals and merciless ppl asap.

By the_prince• 11 years 8 months ago.
the_prince

OK, I will not discuss the other thread here.

Now, about the thread in hand:

Too much punishment or too less punishment are extremes. There should be a balance between the two, "somewhere in the middle" :)

I think the years later, a class camera would be recording whatever happens in class. So that neither the teacher nor the students falsely accuse each other.

By somwerNdmiddle• 11 years 8 months ago.
somwerNdmiddle

leave it to the parents to discipline the child not the teachers.

By flor1212• 11 years 8 months ago.
flor1212

which they of course deny publicly but is happening inside. Just like military schools, they keep on saying, hazing is illegal, but unless someone dies, then it just go on and go on!

By Colt45• 11 years 8 months ago.
Rating: 4/5
Colt45

In many states in India and some of the Asian countries too, they still believe in, "Spare the rod, spoil the child" :-(

Hello everyone ;-)

By mjamille28• 11 years 8 months ago.
mjamille28

elite or not, it doesn't give them the right to give corporal punishment.

By flor1212• 11 years 8 months ago.
Rating: 2/5
flor1212

catering to elite. This are isolated cases and those guilty should get their just punishment!

By somwerNdmiddle• 11 years 8 months ago.
somwerNdmiddle

and this is the 21st century FFS!!

By the_prince• 11 years 8 months ago.
the_prince

do you really believe that sex orientation has anything to do with being violent or bad?

what a ridiculous idea!

By mjamille28• 11 years 8 months ago.
mjamille28

had this happened to mine, all hell will break loose.. I am thankful my daughter has had good teachers since she started school..

By somwerNdmiddle• 11 years 8 months ago.
somwerNdmiddle

oh! em! gee! enough with that thread :D

By somwerNdmiddle• 11 years 8 months ago.
somwerNdmiddle

whoever gave teachers the right to physically hit students as a means of discipline?

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