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Latest news from Qatar
Murdered boy’s father calls for justice
Published: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 01:31 AM Doha Time
By Nour Abuzant
(Mohamed al-Majed in a photo taken in Doha two months ago and, right, in London)
THE father of Qatari student Mohamed al-Majed, who died following a racially motivated attack in the UK on Sunday night, has called for justice as police in the town of Hastings continue to investigate the case.
It is believed Mohamed, 16, was pursued and punched after a fight broke out between local youths and students outside a kebab shop in the town centre. He fell during the incident and a post mortem revealed that injuries caused by hitting his head on a pavement were the cause of death.
“Mohamed was a young student who was loved by his family, friends and teachers. He was a charming, loving boy and there is nothing that can replace our loss,” the boy’s father Abdullah told the Hastings Observer yesterday.
“Justice has to be done in all this investigation. All of those involved in committing this crime on a young, innocent 16-year-old boy should be punished.”
A maternal uncle of the victim told Gulf Times that though the body of the boy was scheduled to be flown in yesterday, it was postponed for today after “new developments” were reported in the investigations to the ghastly incident.
The boy’s family yesterday started receiving condolences at their house in the Old Airport Area. The burial is expected today soon after the arrival of the body.
A family member told Gulf Times at the condolence tent that the boy was inside the restaurant along with two relatives before a scuffle between local lads broke out there. “When the three Qataris and a Saudi youth sensed the danger, they tried to escape from the scene but Mohamed was slow to react,” the family member said.
“One of the rioting local (lads) grabbed him and repeatedly banged his head against the pavement.”
Mohamed had four brothers and a sister, it was revealed.
Qatar’s Ambassador to the UK Khalid al-Mansoury said he had high-level instructions to take all the required legal procedures to guarantee justice to the al-Majed family and bring the criminals to justice.
According to the family member, the father met with the Qatari ambassador and also with the police officers yesterday and was updated about the latest developments.
The London-based correspondent of our sister Arabic daily Arrayah said there was widespread condemnation of the incident among the British public and the death had received wide coverage in the British media.
“Local newspapers and television channels have appealed to witnesses to come forward and testify so that the police can arrest the culprits,” he said in a dispatch.
Police held a press conference in Hastings yesterday appealing for witnesses. Detective Chief Inspector Graham Pratt said: “The circumstances are that Mohamed al-Majed, who was over in Hastings studying English, has been involved in initially a verbal altercation in the local kebab house.
“It seems that has escalated fairly quickly into a physical assault involving Mohamed and his friends and local lads.
“Mohamed, I believe, was trying to make his way away from the incident and during the course of doing so has fallen striking his head on the pavement and sustaining serious injuries.
“Sadly Mohamed died late on Sunday evening from those head injuries. We are trying to establish how Mohamed came to fall.
“The questions we need to answer are - was he assaulted, was he punched or pushed, did he fall? We are trying to find out the exact circumstances of what happened.”
DCI Pratt added: “We are investigating it as a racially motivated incident. Clearly much of our investigation will seek to establish how much race played a part in what happened.
“I am appealing to speak to anybody who was in the kebab shop on Friday evening who saw the incident, either the beginning or the immediate aftermath, who can give us some new evidence as to what occurred.
“The family are clearly completely in pieces over what has occurred.”
Four youths have been arrested and bailed while enquiries continue.
Source: Gulf-times.com
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MR PAUL said
So, now it appears that he may just have tripped up when trying ...to get out of the way of the fighting.
Seems to me, that a lot of people jumped straight to the conclusion he was racially assulted, when now, there is cofusion,about what happened.
NIL ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM
janeyjaney said
Again, its sad that this had ...Again, its sad that this had to happen. Poor Qatari kid just heading out for kebab.. Oh Wow, how many times will they go on about this when there are lots of unresolved crimes happening inside their county. Oh.. Maybe if somethng happened to a Qatari then we need to implement justice bt if it's just one of them Asian slaves.. Forget it. -------------------------------------------------
MR PAUL said
One thing does make me wonder though.... ..."Qatar’s Ambassador to the UK Khalid al-Mansoury said he had high-level instructions to take all the required legal procedures to guarantee justice to the al-Majed family and bring the criminals to justice."
This makes me think that MR Khalid assumes that money will guaruntee an outcome of "Guilty"
When, in reality, if there isnt 100% proof that these morons did it, or he just tripped whilst trying to escape the brawling, there may be no guarantees of any sort.
Dont forget, this will be trial by British law, not sharia law, so no blood money, or any of that.Just a (hopefully) a long jail sentence (I think manslaughter is max of 10 yrs).
NIL ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM
Loulsy said
Whoa everyone! ...The assumption that they were racially assualted has a percentage of truth.. the fight broke out bcz of a bunch of kids who pick fights with the foreign customers there.. the owner himself said that this group has been giving him trouble for some time and he even asked the police to watch over them..
Now it is good to know that it wasnt the blows from the assault that lead to his demise.. but if there hadnt been an assault the kid wouldnt be where he is.
At the end.. no matter what we say.. he's gonna be the Poor young Qatari boy to his fellow Qatari's and he's gonna be Mohammad to his family and friends..
WYSIWYG
MR PAUL said
Lousy, its the typical "im bigger than you" mentality again... ...All this gang warfare is just down to who thinks they are the hardest kid on the block.
But like ya say, it aint gonna bring him back.
Boy, am i so glad i emigrated away from England.
NIL ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM
kenyaqueen said
yep, seems to me that the ...yep, seems to me that the initial story does suggest racial tension before the blow. Whether their was a blow or not that ended the young man on the ground the issue remains that it was racially motivated and was initiated by the gang of boys. Trust me it doesn't take much when there is three or more young people together to motivate the others to cause havoc. I see it all the time. There is definitely a problem with our youth!
Janey , no matter where you go in this world, where ever there is the majority of one race the other always feel like they are left out. But keep in mind that what ever country you are in that countries allegiance is to its people vorn of that country, I bet it is the same way in the country you come from, there are rules for expatriates and nationals. Some countries like mine treat every one with the same equality. No matter if it is social programs or the law. I don't know your origins other than to think you are either filapino or chinese or maybe indian but thats just the way things are. They shouldn't be that way but they are, you just need to keep pushing for change but, while doing so we just need to have respect that it is loss when we loose our youth of any race to this type of nonsense.
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Scotiabank said
janeyjaney - Maybe you ...janeyjaney - Maybe you should stop whining and ask yourself what does your government do to resolve all the racism against minorities when they also make a big deal of one of there own being killed in a foreign country?
thexonic said
"be careful of what you do, ..."be careful of what you do, your loved ones might have to pay for your sins"
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(Lebanon A piece of Heaven on Earth)
labda06 said
“One of the rioting local ...“One of the rioting local (lads) grabbed him and repeatedly banged his head against the pavement.”
We'll have to wait for the enquiry to determine whether he fell and banged his head or was assaulted.
Sorry kenyanqueen which country do you come from? Daft question, but I dont think you live in Kenya. Did you hear of the Delawere case? I beg to differ with your opinion, like many countries the Kenyan rule of law is not applied to all equally.
Just great, another racism flare up thread.
May Mohamed RIPP.
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
Renee said
What I find very disturbing ...What I find very disturbing is that before any real investigation people in the other thread where calling for the death penalty before they really knew the facts.
The boy’s death is dreadful and should have been prevented but calling for more violence before knowing the facts is outrageous.
My heart goes out to the family and I hope they resolve this in a civil manner.
Kareena74 said
Very Sad ...I just can't help thinking about my brother Bilal who is currently in UK for some official training. My parents, especially my mother is crying her eyes out everyday just praying her son reaches Doha safe and sound next month. I can very well imagine what this boy's mother is going thru. May Allah give her sabar and may his soul rest in peace.
britexpat said
Kareena.. ...Let's not get carried away..
Hundreds of thousands are visiting and studying in the UK. My own youngest son is in boarding school. It does not mean that there is rampant murder going on..
Qatarblue said
speculation ...Why not await the outcome of the police investigation before making up your mind on what happened, all we know for sure is that a young man is dead, (sincere condolences to his family and friends), the British police will get to the bottom of what happened and I am sure if anyone caused his death they will be caught and punished as they rightly deserve.
I am also certain that the media in Uk/Qatar will keep us posted upon any developements.
Mis-Cat said
Mr Paul ...Couldn't agree with you more on "the gang war fare" comment
As I said yesterday there are two sides too every coin...
I truly feel sorry for his family and friends as the sad truth is they won't release the body for probably another two weeks while they wait for toxicology reports or they close the case...
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
Mis-Cat said
Labda ...Sorry girl but read the report again..No one banged his head repeatedly he was running away from the scene tripped and hit his head on the pavement, what they are trying to establish now is whether or not he was pushed or tripped, it also goes on to state that they were involved in a verbal Altercation in the restaurant. I've worked enough in hospitality to see how these verbal altercations quickly turn nasty, my guess is someone called the cops, considering he was due home that weekend he wanted to leave before they got there so he wouldn't be detained for questioning..
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
ohdearq8 said
Unfortunate but... ...I see no-one is considering the possibility that he just gobbed off to the wrong person. There are many posts on this site highlighting people's negative experiences with locals who obviously consider themselves superior. I doubt a 16yo boy would have changed his attitude as soon as he walked off the plane.
Unfortunate that he died but maybe we shouldn't ignore the fact that the attitudes of SOME people in this part of the world do not travel well.
I also doubt his family will see any benefit from the fact that this case will be fully investigated and pursued by the police, with help from the local community, irrespective that he was an expat.
labda06 said
Mis-Cat read the 27th ...Mis-Cat read the 27th line...(that is why I put the statement in quotes, it was taken from the article).
Its all hearsay at this point. Lets just wait for the enquiry.
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
Mis-Cat said
Ohdearq8 ...I raised that point yesterday and got somewhat shot down.
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
Mis-Cat said
Labda ...read the police statement anything before that contradicts what the police are saying as it comes from a biased stand point.
Look it is a tragic accident but from what the police have investigated so far there is fault on both sides and is also the reason why the three they initially held have been released on "police Bail" this does not mean they have been charged it simply put means the police initially detained them in station lock up, due to lack of sufficient evidence they have not been charged and subsequently released from lock up pending further inquires.
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
7aasebToua3 said
You need to read the article again, MisCant ...I am sure your imagination will show you that "the pavement was banging itself against the boy's head"
Renee...I was calling for the capital penalty for the murderers....IF it was proven that they did it!
kenyaqueen said
I am born and raised in ...I am born and raised in canada 4 generations. I never claimed to be from kenya, although I visited there, hence the name kenyaqueen. Of course there are many discriminations in the western world but I am pretty sure that the laws we have here are pretty much the same for everyone, we don't have a set of laws for nationals and another set for expatriates or visitors. I am not sure of this delaware case you are talking about but pleas enlightern me now that you have peeked my attention.
Thanks
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labda06 said
Mis-Cat, like I said Iv read ...Mis-Cat, like I said Iv read the entire article.
Id rather wait for the enquiry, thank you. We can go on and on about this and to be honest, Im really not interested. No offence beautiful (not in having a discussion with you but in this whole banter thing that seems to go on the daily where people jump to conclusions. We can argue that the family is biased. And we can argue that the police are biased. My initial thought was maybe it was just one of those fights that teens get into that ended tragically. Point is I DONT KNOW. Hell, WE DONT KNOW.
At the end of the day, all the evidence will be weighed and the truth, hopefully will come out.
Right now, I will simply leave my thoughts and prayers with the family of the deceased and hope they find some peace.
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
janeyjaney said
Oh okay I wasn't whining, ...Oh okay I wasn't whining, bottomline.. a Qatari kid got killed in a foreign country. If this was to happen to my fellow citizens, they will indeed focus on this matter until justice has been resolved. My condolences to his family..
FYI I have a good number of Qatari friends studying in abroad for Uni and one of them told me that he's quite uneasy with it because they know at some point they will be treated differently cos they're Arabs. I highly doubt that they act arrogant when they're outside Qatar. I really do.
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Mis-Cat said
For everyone that seemed to skim over this part...... ...Again this is the official POLICE statement..The statement of his head being repeatedly bashed was that of a family member....
"Police held a press conference in Hastings yesterday appealing for witnesses. Detective Chief Inspector Graham Pratt said: “The circumstances are that Mohamed al-Majed, who was over in Hastings studying English, has been involved in initially a verbal altercation in the local kebab house.
“It seems that has escalated fairly quickly into a physical assault involving Mohamed and his friends and local lads.
“Mohamed, I believe, was trying to make his way away from the incident and during the course of doing so has fallen striking his head on the pavement and sustaining serious injuries.
“Sadly Mohamed died late on Sunday evening from those head injuries. We are trying to establish how Mohamed came to fall.
“The questions we need to answer are - was he assaulted, was he punched or pushed, did he fall? We are trying to find out the exact circumstances of what happened.”
DCI Pratt added: “We are investigating it as a racially motivated incident. Clearly much of our investigation will seek to establish how much race played a part in what happened.
“I am appealing to speak to anybody who was in the kebab shop on Friday evening who saw the incident, either the beginning or the immediate aftermath, who can give us some new evidence as to what occurred.
“The family are clearly completely in pieces over what has occurred.”
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
janeyjaney said
Labda.. I agree with you on ...Labda.. I agree with you on that. I somehow think they magnify this as a racial attack when perhaps just maybe it's just stupid ignorant kids looking for a fight!
Either way.. WE DON'T KNOW, DO WE?
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Scotiabank said
ohdearq8 - I agree, he is ...ohdearq8 - I agree, he is not as open minded as you when you generalize that all locals feel superior, it's a shame he never got to meet you to educate him on how the proper way to judge an entire populace is by simply reading an online forum.
You haven't even met the guy yet jump to conclusions as to what he was like, overlooking the fact that there were many recent cases of group beatings/stabbings in the UK to innocent people. Your hatred for this country and it's people is what makes you want it to be true that he was killed for running his mouth. It gives your sick mind and other like you satisfaction knowing a 16 year old died who shares the same nationality as someone who might have once cut in front of you in a queue.
You people disgust me and have the same personality traits of Hitler. It's a good thing none of you have real power or we would be witnessing mass genocide all over the world.
tallg said
Obviously people are going ...Obviously people are going to speculate about what happened, that's human nature and there's no harm in it, but try to remember that what you read in papers isn't necessarily the truth, and is often just speculation in itself.
This quote;
"One of the rioting local (lads) grabbed him and repeatedly banged his head against the pavement."
came from a family member who wasn't there. It could be true but until the incident is fully investigated we wont know.
labda06 said
kenyaqueen, thanks for ...kenyaqueen, thanks for clearing that up...and may I just say you seem very sober minded. My apologies for thinking you were Kenyan :) Drats, I was kinda hoping I had another comrade on QL :)
The Delamere case
http://edition.cnn.c...
And before anyone who bothers to check the link out jumps on me, there are plenty more cases amongst the "native" Kenyans as well....lets not turn this into a racial thing!
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
7aasebToua3 said
perfectly said, scotiabank ...I FULLY agree with you.
labda06 said
Mis-Cat we read it ...Mis-Cat we read it already...geez! Can I get you another cup of coffee?!
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
janeyjaney said
ohdearq8 ..."..Unfortunate that he died but maybe we shouldn't ignore the fact that the attitudes of SOME people in this part of the world do not travel well..."
Ahh even if they have, it's too difficult because of their already acquired mind set due to what society forces down their throats.
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Mis-Cat said
Sorry Labda ...But people seem to only be reading what they want to read today and what they read yesterday and are still insisting that his head was relatedly bashed against the pavement, the police have already in their statement and at a guess from the initial findings from the Autopsy said that that is not the case and that he died as a result from a Single head wound not several...
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
labda06 said
Mis-Cat and just for good ...Mis-Cat and just for good measure, quoting from your quote “The questions we need to answer are - was he assaulted, was he punched or pushed, did he fall? We are trying to find out the exact circumstances of what happened.”
Ok?!?!
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
Scotiabank said
tallg - Nothing wrong with ...tallg - Nothing wrong with speculation, what I do have a problem with is ignoramuses using this guy's death to throw in attacks to the country and it's people that they hate so much, they think by simply giving out their 'sympathies' they can follow it up with their true feelings and their comment will not be seen as vile and full of hatred. Insert any other race in a foreign country and make the same comments as these users and you would be attacked for racism, but it's ok over here to use it when it comes to Qataris.
Let me try and see some of these guys for example try and get away with saying an African might have been murdered in the UK/US because he was a 'typical black' (followed by racist stereotypes). Same goes for any race abroad, but they spew their bs on here with impunity. Like I said, they are no different than Hitler, as soon as they are out of Qatar they will be hating on other races and nationalities.
Oryx said
Kareena ...I understand your mum to be worried but really your brother, statistically, is in much graver danger just driving around than getting murdered in the UK.
Where is he in the UK?
How old is he?
Personally when I travel I dont go to areas I dont know when it is dark......
I was buying a kebab once up Seven Sisters road in London and it kicked off big time... I locked myself in the car but couldn't pull away...got the taillights broken. Learnt my lesson... just dont go to such areas so late. Shame this boy didn't get a second chance
I hope your can help your mum get some perspective.
labda06 said
I get what you're saying ...I get what you're saying Mis-Cat, I wasnt really involved in yesterdays thread, and didnt follow it to be honest...perhaps if I read through it Id understand where this "passion" of yours is coming from.
Want some cream in your cuppa then? :)
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
tallg said
Scotiabank - yes I agree ...Scotiabank - yes I agree that people have a bad habit of using news stories as an excuse to get across their own feelings, even if there's only a tenuous link to the original story. But it doesn't just happen in relation to Qataris, there are plenty on here who use an excuse to attack other countries around the world. And I think the Hitler comparison is a little harsh.
labda06 said
Scotiabank just has it ALL ...Scotiabank just has it ALL figured out. I think Iv had enough of this 5hit for one day.
Wake up! The point of QL is to DISCUSS matters. The only person seemingly spewing out hatred that I can see on this thread atleast is YOU. Stop being so dam* defensive.
"Quit hanging on to the handrails . . . Let go. Surrender. Go for the ride of your life. Do it every day." Melody Beattie
janeyjaney said
Ah hatred. Scotiabank has ...Ah hatred. Scotiabank has given us the full definition of it today.
Instead of opening 'ignoramuses' eyes, you just continue to drill them in and convince yourself that they are in comparison to Hitler.
Not much of a contribution from you either.
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ohdearq8 said
Scotiabank, thanks for making my point. ...I didn't "generalize that all locals feel superior". I specifically talked about the attitiude of "SOME" (even used big letters). If this 16yo lad had a propensity to follow this bad example then SOME (big letters again, yeah?) people in UK society will take physical assault as their first course of action against it.
As you have showed, some people can react to comments with greater venom. This could get them into situations they can't handle. The article says he was "slow to react". Can any of us honestly say he wasn't talking himself into a situation he just couldn't handle while his friends saw the danger and tried to get out of it?
Scotiabank said
tallg - I agree it doesn't ...tallg - I agree it doesn't just happen in relation to Qataris and it does to an extent involve human nature to behave that way, however I have been reading these forums for a while now but was only compelled to signup yesterday after having read some of the disgusting posts being made last night about a dead kid.
Anybody who can't even show respect for the dead let alone a youngster and still will use his death to push through their own personal feelings of injustice is a cold hearted animal. That is exactly what Hitler did when he began his ascent to the top, he behaved the same way these posters did before he had any real power with his hate literature.
Maybe they don't have the heart to kill someone, but they sure as hell don't mind it being done to who they perceive as wronging them, even if it means the death of someone who they might have never met in their life. That is very Hitler like in nature to me.
Mis-Cat said
Scotiabank ...To high light a point "What do I think of the Young Australian That got killed recently in Greece by bouncers at a night club"
The same My sympathies are always with the family, but like this case there is more than meets the eye such as, young guy in different country been on a night out with friends, bounces from the bar and a local guy accuses them of something they may or may not have done, verbal abuse from both sides go back and forth, somebody throws the first punch, then it's an all in brawl, ends up with someone dead, cause no body stops to think about what might happen, sure back in OZ this guy might have been in a few fights, sustained little or no injuries, but this one day somebody was better than him, somebody hit him in the right spot, Sad and tragic, but the truth is the Fault is on both sides.
Not to say there are not senseless killings in this world, but true senseless killings are defined by that which are premeditated where there is no connection between that of the victim and the perpetrator.
And for that I'm sorry if I seem like a cold heartless B*&ch, but I have watched friends die because of their own stupidity in cases like this do I mourn them.... Yes do I solely lay blame at the feet of the people that made it happen...No...as the truth is the fault is theirs they couldn't let it slide they had to take it further, they had to be a MAn about it all...am I angry at them...YES
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
Scotiabank said
ohdearq8- Greater venom than ...ohdearq8- Greater venom than a bunch of expatriates disrespecting the death of a 16 year old kid on a forum?
labda06- I get along perfectly fine with sane open minded people, I do hate closed minded fools though, so you have a point. Funny how people like you call me defensive yet get all emotional when I dish out what was served to me, the only difference is I am not a racist in nature like a lot of the posters here.
janeyjaney- You're the one who tied in irrelevant stories of abuse of foreign labor with this guy's death.And you are talking about me not contributing here? Give me a break.
Some people here think that everyone should not be discussing this boys case that much because of the abuse of foreign labor here, did you perhaps consider maybe his family has nothing to do with what goes on here with the laborers? No they are Qatari after all, they must have a few slaves tucked away in their basement.
Scotiabank said
Mis Cat- well if you truly ...Mis Cat- well if you truly do apply such skepticism to all cases involving murder then I don't believe you are evil in nature like a lot of the other posters in here, who if you look around the forums do nothing but constantly bash the country and it's people.
To them this kid's death was just another way for them to continue their Qatar bashing and I find that very disgusting. I couldn't make such comments even about the death of my worst enemies child, yet here they are ready to talk a lot of crap about a guy they never met.
ohdearq8 said
"Greater venom than a bunch of expatriates..." ...That's not a generalisation is it?
Gypsy said
If he fell and hit his head ...If he fell and hit his head then it's an unfortunate accident. One of my best friends died in Cuba from basically the same accident, and his family didn't call for blood or anything, they simply wanted to know the truth of what happened.
I think the truth of what happend is that this school is unfortunately in a very impoverished area where the locals aren't as educated about other cultures as they should be. They see these boys walking around with the newest cell phones and designer clothes, and get jealous, this leads to confrontations.
I hope justice is done, and that the boys who started the confrontation learn something from this, rather then turning it into more reasons to hate Arabs.
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Scotiabank said
ohdearq8- no it's not, if ...ohdearq8- no it's not, if you want me to be more specific then here you go: greater venom than 3 expatriates (not including the others from the other thread) disrespecting the death of a 16 year old kid on a forum?
You see nowhere did I claim this was typical expat behavior or that all expatriates are like this in nature. It is a fact that you 3 are a group of expatriates, unless among you are some self-hating Qataris, I don't know, correct me if I am wrong.
Gypsy said
Actually, thinking more ...Actually, thinking more about the incident with my friend in Cuba, the family is incredbily lucky that this happened in the UK, where the authorities and the people will cooperate with the family to find out everything they can.
My friends family were never even able to get his body back from Cuba much less a full report on the incidence.
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tallg said
Gypsy - if he fell and hit ...Gypsy - if he fell and hit his head while attempting to escape from his attackers (if they were attacking him) isn't there the possibility they could be charged with man-slaughter?
7aasebToua3 said
"incredbily lucky", gypo? ...would they be even more "lucky" if next time their other son would face the same fate, but in a "perfect" country...say..Canada?
Gypsy said
Tallg, yes more then likely ...Tallg, yes more then likely they will be charged with manslaughter, in fact, judging from the outcry in the UK I'd say they'll be made an example of. As I said, I hope this turns into an enlightening thing and not more reason for them to hate Arabs.
7aaseb, yes the family is lucky, they will see justice done and they will find out what happened to their son, not only that but they will get the chance to bury their son, which is more then what my friends family got. An incident like this could happen anywhere in the world, and they are lucky that it happened in a place where the government and the local police will cooperate with the family and do everything they can.
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Scotiabank said
tallg- Yes it would be ...tallg- Yes it would be manslaughter.
7aaseb - She meant lucky as in his family will get more closure as opposed if it were to have happened in somewhere like cuba.
Gypsy said
Scotiabank; totally off ...Scotiabank; totally off topic, but I used to bank at Scotiabank, is that where you got your name?
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Scotiabank said
gypsy - If it was a racially ...gypsy - If it was a racially motivated attack I don't really think it was because they had a hatred for arabs alone, it was more the fact that he was a foreigner. I don't think it would intensify hatred towards arabs/muslims there, usually troublemakers who would have had such hatred for them would have had it even before a case like this.
Mis-Cat said
Tallg ...If your talking about Gypsy's case then no idea.
but with this case if there is proof enough that it was not just a one sided incident and that he was involved in someway the most that they will get probably is "Assault occasioning in Physical bodily harm" especially if its proven that no one pushed or hit him. if it's proven that someone pushed him deliberately or punched him than the most that person would be charged with is second degree man slaughter as while they didn't deliver the killing blow their actions are somewhat responsible. No Murder charges will ever be laid as there is no premeditation.
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
Scotiabank said
gypsy - Yes it is, in fact I ...gypsy - Yes it is, in fact I still have an account with them and my credit card is from them too. I am weary about using online banking with locals banks so I keep my scotiabank account open for when I want to shop online. :)
Gypsy said
Who knows what they were ...Who knows what they were thinking Scotiabank, did they hate them because they were foreigners, cause they were Arabs, cause they were rich or cause these guys just need people to hate.
I'm not sure what the charges could be, in Canada IF the boy was pushed it would be manslaughter, if he wasn't they might get Assault, however on top of this if it's proven to be racially motivated then they'll get charged with commiting a hate crime and that carries a pretty hefty sentence.
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janeyjaney said
Xenophobia? ----------------- ...Xenophobia?
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Gypsy said
LOL, my Dad still has his ...LOL, my Dad still has his accounts open with them too. That's the best thing about banking in Canada that I miss here, ONLINE BANKING! :D
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labda06 said
scotiabank, why am I ...scotiabank, why am I emotional? Because I disagreed with your "Hail, Hail Hitler rants?" In that case yes I am. Im yet to see you make a logical post sans calling people names. You did it on the other forum and you're doing it again here. Spare me you're pyschobabble.
And please clarify - are you calling me a racist?
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7aasebToua3 said
I totally disagree about UK & Cuba ...there is a lot of corruption in UK/western police as much as in any country in the world.
UK or any other western country is no advantage in such cases.
If, let's say, they found that 1 of the Brit boys has committed this crime, and if the boy's father was a very influential man, then it is very normal that some of evidence would suddenly "disappear"!
This could happen in the UK, in the west, and in any country in the world. There are thousands of stories about such cases.
Gypsy said
7aaseb though there is ...7aaseb though there is corruption on occasion, in a case like this it's more liable to go against the assaliants. These are poor kids from a poor area that are already discriminated against in their own country, the 16 year old has a wealthy family and world outrage backing him up.
As I said, you'll see these kids made an example of.
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Qatar Idols said
as i copy-paste to thexonic.... ..."be careful of what you do, your loved ones might have to pay for your sins"
Mis-Cat said
Gypsy ...The trouble is it could also go the other way also.
If it's found out through investigation that this kid and his friends helped inflame the situation, then locals will get their backs up, they will say it's not the first time that the kids from the school have caused problems for them and their getting sick of it.
This is how "Cronulla" started and then other communities joined in and before anyone could stop it it got out of hand..
"Your born, You Live, You Die, given this premise, one can conclude since we have no control over when we are born and when we die, the only thing that matters to us should be how we live, simple really?" Mis-Cat to her philosophy Lecturer.
7aasebToua3 said
Yes gypo, but I still resent the fact ...that you state that western countries like the UK, are much better to be killed in, than a "3rd world" country like Cuba.
"You guys" simply need to STOP such racist mentalities!
Scotiabank said
labda06- I should be logical ...labda06- I should be logical like you guys and reach conclusions on what an entire nationality is like based on stories shared on a forum, right?. I don't take kindly to people who never met me calling me 'lazy, arrogant, owning slaves' among other things, same people making comments very similar in nature about a dead boy they never met, very hitleresque in nature if you ask me. He blamed the Jews for all Germany's problems, some of you guys blame the all the Qataris for all the problems here, even a dead kid you never met.
amnesia said
/-a-t-/Mr Paul,They were .../-a-t-/Mr Paul,
They were called "Osama's" and "Sadams", they were beaten, one of the other kids was beaten too, the shop owner witnessed this, there were reports that this has happened in the past. You want to try and say "this isn't racism"?
oh and "take all necessary legal procedures" means "throw money at it?".
At the end of the day, he died due to the violent act. The people who caused it to happen should be punished. Simple as.
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Scotiabank said
7asseb - dude chill out, he ...7asseb - dude chill out, he isn't being racist. Cuba is a 3rd world country, obviously they will have less resources than the UK when it comes to solving crime and capturing criminals.
Tigasin321 said
labda06 is racist ...she is racist against idiots who like to draw attention to themselves by standing on a soap box and preaching nonsense. Stop being so racist labda06.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about
Gypsy said
7aaseb, I can assure you I'm ...7aaseb, I can assure you I'm not being racist at all, I'm stating facts. I love Cuba and have been there many many times, and it's great to see the changes Raoul Castro is making to the country, however 8 years ago when my friend died it wasn't the same, Cuba was a much more closed country, with no free press and a very controlled police force, the Cuban government was very up in arms about this case because they were afraid it would reflect badly on the country, so it was quashed in the press and the family wasn't given any information about the death. That's a fact. That couldn't happen in the UK because of freedom of the press.
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Gypsy said
Actually Scotiabank, I think ...Actually Scotiabank, I think Cuba had the resources to do it, I think they were afraid of world outcry. As from what we found out, the attack was also racially motivated. Unfortunatly we Canadians do sound a lot like Americans.
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7aasebToua3 said
As I said Scoti ...the UK MAY have better resources, but it may be more racist than Cuba, and thus, evidence MAY disapear in order to avoid punishing a Brit for killing an Arab.
So there is NOTHING "luckiy" in getting murdered in the UK
People simply need to get rid of these "superiority" & "racist" ideas!
They SHOULD realize that "TOP" western countries MAY have better systems than "3rd world" countries, but that doesn't mean that you will get better results from those "TOP" systems.
Tigasin321 said
There is plenty of anti Arab/muslim racism in the world ...and this is created by both sides. It is created by the popular press who would have us believe that there is an Arab terrorist hiding in wait behind every corner bent on death and destruction to all infidels. It is also created by radical mullahs preaching from some mosques and also from the actions of outfits like Al-Qaeda and other extremists.
It is up to the intelligent majority to dispel these gross misperceptions and not to give credence to the evil people who spread hatred among the ignorant minority.
I think Scotiabank is right in his Hitler comparison to some extent. Hitler mobilized his hateful Nazi regime by demonizing the Jews and persuading too many people that the Jews were responsible for the economic and social ills that beset Germany in the 1920s and 1930s.
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labda06 said
Tigasin/Scotiabank ...LOL Tigasin....hahahaha
Scotiabank, for the love of God (or QL) please read peoples posts first and then judge them. Where have I ever gone on the offensive against Qataris? Even on this thread I pointed out the part in the article that said the deceased may have been attacked. You have baffled me. Let me make myself clear. I am not against Qatar. I am not against Qataris. Please vent on those who are against them....I dont appreciate being used as a punching bag...Im sure there are a lot of people who would like to take credit for bashing Qataris, you wont find a shortage of them. I dont care where people are from, I just respond to posts.
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Gypsy said
7aaseb, correct me if I'm ...7aaseb, correct me if I'm wrong, but this story is being run in papers all over the world.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the UK police are investigating the attack.
Correct me if I'm wrong, they've been in touch with the parents.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the boys body will arrive back in Qatar today.
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Tigasin321 said
I hate to agree with 7aaseb ...because generally I don't. However, I think he is right in saying that there is probably less racism in Cuba than in England or the US.
I remember the Stephen Lawrence case, a similar tragedy to that of the 16 year old Qatari kid. Stephen was 17 and was beaten to death by white thugs in London. The police were unable to get convictions even though they knew who did it. It later transpired that a senior detective had taken payments from one of the accused thugs father and had destroyed evidence. This was the subject of a BBC Panorama investigation. The detective is living a comfortable retirement in Spain and justice was never done. This also happens in the US regularly. Remember the Rodney King case in LA 15 years ago that sparked riots in LA. Unfortunately, racism is alive and well and it is up to those of us with brains to stamp it out.
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tallg said
7aasebToua3 - you're letting ...7aasebToua3 - you're letting your hatred for the west cloud your judgement. Generally it does mean you get better results from these top systems. To say otherwise is somewhat naive and narrow minded.
7aasebToua3 said
nations behave according to their conditions ..."Cuba was a much more closed country, with no free press and a very controlled police force...etc... That couldn't happen in the UK because of freedom of the press."
This is due to the (US/western) threats surrounding it. If the UK is to suffer from the same, it will do the same!
I remember that there was a time, the west was blaming the arab countries of being "police states" due to the amount of checking in airports & borders.
The west had the luxury of such claims at that time! Look what happened now! Would you be checked & searched here or in Dubai airport as much as in Eurpoe or USA (specially when you have a dark skin & a muslim name on your passport)?
Scotiabank said
gypsy - I meant I didn't ...gypsy - I meant I didn't think their police force would be as well equipped and trained as the police in the UK. I could see what you are saying from a political standpoint though.
tigasin - Great post, I agree with everything you just said.
Gypsy said
I know why Cuba is a closed ...I know why Cuba is a closed state, I was simply stating that the family is lucky because they will get more closure from the police in the UK then my friends family did from Cuba.
Sorry, did I say will get, I meant already has gotten.
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Gypsy said
Tig, I wasn't denying ...Tig, I wasn't denying corruption happens, but you already said it, BBC did a Panorama investigation and found out what happened. Unfortunatly at the time there was nothing to be done because the cop that took the bribes was already in Spain, but at least Stephen Lawrences family found out what happened. It's been 8 years and my friends family still hasn't even gotten a call from the police in Cuba about any investigation into the death.
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7aasebToua3 said
wrong tallg ...I dont hate the west. But many countries of the west/waste bring hatred to themselves by thinking that they are superior to other nations, and thus start to invade & destroy these nations. USA & UK is on top of this list of waste
Tigasin321 said
That's terrible Gypsy ...Really heartbreaking for the family. I have been to Cuba four times and love the place but I am not surprised by what you say. The country is so poor and lacking in resources that it is unlikely that these tragedies will be adequately investigated. As you say, in the UK they will be, but it is still alarming that corruption and racism can occur in a country like the UK especially in such a high profile case as that of Stephen Lawrence.
I often wish that I wasn't white because sad to say, I do know a lot of white people who are racist. And they are not all pig ignorant trailer trash. Some are wealthy and well educated and have no excuse whatsoever.
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7aasebToua3 said
you are in everything you said, gypo ...the facts that you have stated is irrelevant.
Getting more closure from the police is not an advantage here. The UK is more racist from Cuba, and the probabilities of getting fair/just results in such cases, is in the favor of Cuba, not the racist UK.
You can not judge countries from the incident of your friend's family
janeyjaney said
Tig.. What? You're ...Tig.. What? You're white?
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Gypsy said
I've been to Cuba many times ...I've been to Cuba many times myself and it's one of my favorite places on Earth. From what we gathered the investigation was quashed because:
A) it was a racially motivated assault
and
B) the government was afraid that if that should get out it might harm tourism.
To this day though I know the only thing the parents cared about was getting the body back. :(
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7aasebToua3 said
"I know why Cuba is a closed state" ...Since you know this, then it is hypocrate to blame Cuba for it! You should blame the waste/USA
Scotiabank said
7aaseb- How did you reach ...7aaseb- How did you reach the conclusion that Cubans are more racist than the Brits? You're judging the countries based on what?
Gypsy said
If I can't judge a countries ...If I can't judge a countries legal system based on my friends case, then you can't judge the UK's based on the Stephen Lawrence case (which you didn't even know about until Tig brought it up).
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AKAK said
racially assulted ...I went through some of the comments which make me think that some people the just do not care about an Arabs been killed mistreated or assaulted… etc. any way since I have lived in USA & UK for a total of 16 years I am sure the hate is there and that poor Qatari killed by drank losers which are useless to the community and they deserve a death penalty. Look to the British people living in Qatar how they are treated and respected, why we do not get the same respect. I COME TO RACISM, WHAT TYPE OF RELIGION SUPPORT THIS?
I have nothing against other religions. Thank you