Western converts to islam?

I believe is the same way in acquiring a certificate of conversion. It would be interesting to find out. I'll ask tomorrow my landlord. He is real good in explaining Islamic culture. Specially having a tea in his house, long night in understanding the different cast.

Terra,

In some Muslim countries you have to affirm in front of an official or Imam and then you can get a certificate thats states you are a Muslim. A few people I know who married in Morroco and Egypt had to do this even though they were already Muslim. They however never changed there name legally through the US courts.

I think they did the same for my father when they first went on Hajj to Mecca back in the seventies even though they had Islamic names. Maybe they will come out with a Muslim brand or tattoo to identify who is Muslim or not kind of like the Copts in Eygpt.

We got a good laugh from this though....

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It’s weekend now.. sooo I can’t call any place till Sunday. Sorryyy.

By the way, I don’t like it when people change their names after converting to Islam (though many famous ones did it.) Coz it’s the same person still.

looool :-D

Aisha, no...Princess is my 2nd wife (sorry hon, I had to give out this little secret), you will be the third :)

new country = new rules...
over here you are allowed 4 wives.

Most arabic countries do state your religion in official documents (ID's Passports etc...), but as the convert's keeping original nationality, most of western countries do not mention anything about religion. so no change there

We usually change our names due to the fact the names usually given are Christian names which usually have no meaning. A name should be something that reminds you or you have to live up to. My father gave all of us Islamic names and also a name from our family. I have my mother's father name a my middle name.

Abdur Rahman sounds better to me than Bob or Robert. In most cases the names given to our families were names of Slave masters and not our own. Abdur Rahman is a name that reminds me of who my creator is, I am sorry but Bob does not. My families original name was Towns whose family were big Slave owners and politicians where my family is from in the America. So to me it has no significance besides being the name of people who oppressed my ancestors.

What would you do if the British had made you guys change your names would you change it back to an Islamic name or leave alone? If your parents named you Emily which has no significance to Islam instead of the beautiful name of Aisha. To many Muslims around the world converts and born Muslims these names are Islamic names not Arab names. Even though I have had to constantly tell people in America how to pronounce my name correctly. I always like explaining to them what it means .... i.e Dawa to Allah SWT and more reward for me. The chance I would never get if my father named me Bob Johnson or if Cassius Clay did not become Muhammad Ali.

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QD06 - the real problem would be to have three mothers-in-law! That's the only problem which keeps me from doing it;-)

i seem to confuse terramax most of the time.i dont know anything about pakistan.
india is a democratic country and a secular country,many religions living together. but in the face of secularity lot of wrongdoing take place.
there was a recent legislation in some states that if a person wants to convert then he has to sign an afidavit that he is in sane mind and out of any sort of pressure willingly making a conversion of his religion. this is because in some rural places, people were forcibly converted then reconverted. to avoid this, its all put down clearly in black and white.
it could be a different story over here in the arabic countries, simply bcos its an islamic country..for ex..back home even if you married by religious rites, u need to carry out a civil marriage, bcos legally they do accept the nikkah (islamic marriage) documents, but they prefer to see the court approved papers.thats not a pressure u get here in doha, for all my documentation purposes i would give my nikkah documents, but even the civil marriage certificate would do the work.
its just different ways of handling the same situation taking into the consideration the kind of place you are living in.
regarding the qazi,he is an individual registered to perform his activities by religion and by law...bcos india does not follow shariah.
this has been my understanding on the subject all along...if anyone else knows more about this...then pls indulge......

We are all jokinggg princess..

:-D

Let's get back to the serious question that our Hus.aaaa.friend asked LOL

I don't understand...

What's the joke...?
QD, what r you on about? "Liberated" women, what is that supposed to mean?
Terramax & Princess - So are you a married couple? Are you not?

Is terramax looking to convert to Islam so he can marry Aisha? Can he get a document to prove that he has converted? Will he change his name to Abdullah Terrahmedx bin his father?

your jokes have gotten our dear butterfly all worked up.
its all a joke, they have been at it from the beginning of this thread.its been fun reading them post their messages.

aisha dont worry , we wont take you the wrong way.

no worries! thank you

BLAH! BLAH! Stay single is better.
Marriage is a moral and financial commitment.
Remember what the Priest said at the end of a wedding:
Until death do us apart!
That is your guarantee sentence, unless you get divorce then alimony, Child support, properties splits and you will grow old with white hair real fast and a bad attitude with a bad heart.

Respectfully
David

God is a genius, he made woman to a perfection of headaches.

Miss Novita not really, look up profile and you will see the date I started to log in Qatar Living.
Respectfully
David

Mrs. Novita

I get your point. I'm using my real name and not some nickname for the record.

Respectfully

David

One convicted felon told a judge once:
“I got nothing to hide", except my money in the bank.

The judge did ask the felon:
What money are we talking about?

Felon replied back:
Should I say?
What I own others in form of defaulted loans, an incoming bankruptcy, due to my incarceration and one nasty credit report.

Sleep well....

Butterfly : "Terramax & Princess - So are you a married couple? Are you not? "

Not in this incarnation, butter :) Btw. "bin his father" sort of sounds "and your mother too"...

Butterfly I assume it was the sleep talking. Relax it was a joke :-)

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;-)

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Qd06: "Act your age not your shoe size"

What do I do if both are the same number???? Of course I am not talking american sizes :)

lol, lol

headaches...i would say not. u will have to ask my hubby for his version.........sweet.............definitely yes........always sweet...its like

"probably cant live with the headache but definitely n desperately cant live without it either :-)"

did i speak for the girls?????????

somehow this subject has been taking us off track more often than not.

terramax..sorry i didnt answer your question...i was feling tooo lazy today to do anything serious.

Yeah man if you watched an old latino gang movie blood-in-blood-out then its kind of the same concept cause all you guys are focusing on the documentation when thats actually not necessary nobody here has a paper that officially confirms you are muslim, but we all got the snip!! OOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

I thought Jews get snipped also. In the US most people choose to do it to their babies now for hygeine reasons. I am glad my parents did it that way. Another friend who converted had to go through it as an adult. Really OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Marriage is still a religious issue for many people in the US even if the spirituality of the moment has been lost. Especially in the South, it is still about class, family status, religion, and race. There are exceptions to the rules but for the most part things haven't changed.

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Lmao ... :-)

Aisha,

Are you rushing the processs????? Sabr. Let the ink dry on the certificate.( Disclaimer: Joke)

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Dvartgas: you cannot resign a faith. It is a FAITH for God's sake, not a club.

really...death penalty..u joking or serious...
i dont think u need to leave a religion bcos u divorced from the spouse...its upto you to keep it and do otherwise.
as far as i know.if you are converting to the religion then u do get a certificate proving that you have and it will have the names of centre/mosque n people or authority who have witnessed the conversion.
for weddings...for ex in my case....my spouse belongs to another mosque and my father to a different one...so in our case it was both the maulvis who wanted the nikkah registered in the respective mosques......ego issues between the maulvis....didnt harm us in anyway...so i have two nikkah certificates with all details on it.
but i still had to have my legal marriage certificate from the court.

i dont think the religion comes on the passport but when u apply for any change in document....then u specify religion.....

http://www.qatarlivi...

Here.

dvar goes off in another language i dont understand...cant even read it....pls translate.....

i know of muslims who have converted and the people discussing it didnt want to mention it in front of me....its doesnt bother me and it shouldnt bother anyone else either....its one's own free will to do as he/she chooses.ofcourse each congregation feels happy when a new member joins them from another religion.........but other than that its upto the individual what he wants to do with his religion.
as long as he true to himself and to Almighty.

Han19: Here is a translation "Don't entrust your thoughts to an oak chest, Entrust them to the paper so that everybody can see them" (and I would add "and wipe their asses with that paper").

Qd06: Yeah, sure it's the Cohen brothers. Did I doubt it? What's your point?

All the topics on the Qatar Living site start off with good intentions, however, it seems the point slips. Each and every persons believes are personal, if they find that the way they feel and believe bends then let them.
Personally Im more aligned to Buddhism, however my faith and believes slip (see earlier notes).
However for me to suddenly wake up and want to change to Judaism/Islam/Catholocism etc I would need my head examined without comparation of my current religion and that of the one I wished to re-align to.
Granted there isnt a great deal of differences between the major religious beliefs (support my cause or you will go to hell), they all preach peace love and harmony, it is down to the individual to be able to follow what they have read.
What throws me the most however having listened and read the majority of religious texts is that ignorance is a sin!! Try telling me that the people we all meet on a daily basis are not ignorant!

I concur this was not a religious debate. Man everytime we start talking about boxing somebody has to pull Rock Marciano out of their .... lol

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Truth321: You should have read the original post. The question was not how to convert and not why to convert, the question was how to prove one's conversion in case it is legally required. As for your opinion, of course it counts as long as it is relevant.

Remember however, we have peace of mind here on this site and in Middle East in general by NOT discussing religion. Religion just exists.

You don't HAVE to change your name. Many "Christian" names have "Muslim" equivalents.

Secondly, it is true that in theory changing your religion from Islam COULD result in the death penalty. However, in reality I don't know of it having been carried out any time recently.

Salaam Alaikum,
PM

PS: I didn't change my name because I am comfortable with my identity from birth even though my religious status has changed.